Obama Shmobama...

[m1thr0s]

bama bama obama banana nana nobama fee fi fobama...obama...

whatever...I just want to be the first to say it...this cat doesn't grok shit. He's cute and all that but he doesn't get it.

he means well I think and that's worth something but sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips with the fact that the political institution we've got going on here destroys *goodness* wherever it can, any way it can and as fast as it fucking can...

no sooner does Obama win the democratic nomination than he immediately begins to sound like a freaking moron living in some other world than this one...and indeed he does...they all do...and it's never going to fucking work...

I'll probably vote for his useless ass anyway but it's already clear to me that he doesn't get Iraq...he sure as hell doesn't get Blackwater...he hasn't got a freaking clue regarding health care in this country and I have no idea how he thinks he's gonna undo the damage Heir Bush has dealt us all...an sob that should be behind fucking bars if there was any real justice in this world...which there simply isn't.

It's going to take a whole new political/economic heuristic folks...leadership as usual is something we can no longer afford.

m1

[MythMath]

Dude, he's still gotta get elected first... :p

Play it cool for the 'white working class' votes
and keep the revolutionary lingo to a minimum...

Then he can start freakin' the shit outta everybody...

Or not... :no: :rolleyes:

______________

But I sure don't understand why anyone
would want to inherit this current mess... :confused:

[m1thr0s]

see...that's the same damn wool they've been pulling over everybody's eyes forever...

but once you start down this whole path of conciliation and compromise, there's no fucking end to it...and that's the problem with the whole *democratic* system. That's why Kings are a good thing...so long as you have a good one...a King can do the right thing on the basis of it being the right thing and nothing else. *Presidents* are fundamentally heads of corporations and have to always answer to their stockholders...most of whom are godamm idiots and crooks.

I don't think democracy actually works when the matter turns to ethics. I don't know what does work but I think we need to start thinking about it because I am sick to death of hearing the same old lameass excuse that it's better than the next best deal in line...

says who? according to what? compared to what? as near as I can tell all political systems have strengths and weaknesses and democracy is no different.

Socialized medicine, for instance, only fails because capitalist fucks cause it to fail...virtually everywhere it has been given a good run it has worked, yet we are supposed to believe all this panic-bullshit dreamed up by wallstreet shitheads who never once in their whole godamm lives gave a crap about real people anyway!

I think the reality is that democracy is 90% propoganda and capitalism is much worse. At the same time I keep trying to sort out the alternative and I do think there may be such a thing as *evolved capitalism* that can actually work...but it has to be rooted in real numbers and not just a bunch of made up shit to scare people...

In a case like that...the smart economic move may not always be money-driven...there are other standards of economic stability and strength...like a healthy human population for instance...or an environment that isn't fucking toxic. People don't matter anymore and that's a big problem...too big for democracy to sort out I think.

m1

[MythMath]

As long as the money-worshiping pigs keep the
'I'm gonna milk this system as much as I can for
as long as I can til I croak' attitude, I can't see
the emphasis shifting toward healthy humans...

Way too much money to be made on keeping the
masses fat, stupid and addicted to pharmaceuticals,
sugar and petroleum...

Just keep upgrading the technological gadgets
and the populace stays happy as clams...
____________________

I just don't see how the power-whores expect
their own children/grandchildren to survive...

Money won't matter when all the air, water
and food supplies are completely toxic...

DeLuxe, first-class underground
bunkers have only finite resources...

I guess they don't care...

[m1thr0s]

I guess they don't care...no, I really don't think they do and I also think they mostly know that they do not. That's the problem when deception becomes the principal skill upon which leadership is physically obtained...

As for their kids and grandkids etc...I think it's just an abstract for most of these pricks. There is always some way to rationalize things in an obscure futuristic sort of way. But right here and right now we've got a boat whose bottom is 40% gone and not enough buckets to make up the difference...

So it's gonna get ugly before things get any better and when they finally do...assuming that is even possible...we will have gone to another way of doing business altogether...one rooted in what is good for living beings and entire ecosystems whether it does or doesn't turn a tidy profit to an elite fucking few assholes only...

Capitalism has become rooted in Darwinism and Darwin was a raging psychotic who bought into genetic inbreeding as a means to becoming a fucking superman (which failed most miserably)...people need to scrutinize their godamm heroes better than they do. Capitalism can work but its profit construct is skewed...it is defunct...it doesn't work and actually relies upon artificially induced scarcity to function as it does.

I don't have the answer but I am quite certain that one is there...though it may be too late to do much about it.

m1

[MythMath]

We sure would be fun at cocktail parties, huh...? :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

hey fuck 'em...what goes around comes around...they'll soon find this out...

Americans in particular have been living in a godamm dream and that dream is coming to an end...it's not just Americans though...it's an affluence disease in general...

So I don't do cocktail parties. I'm good at other kinds of parties where something more substantial may be on the menu though...:cool:

Hey...consciousness made this mess...consciousness can unmake it.

m1

[MythMath]

So I don't do cocktail parties.

Yeah, me neither... :no:

Hey...consciousness made this mess...consciousness can unmake it.

That's what we're here for... ;)

[m1thr0s]

It seems to me that the traditional occult solution has consisted largely of allusions to futuristic secret societies that would mysteriously displace nation-states altogether...some contending these will still be left in place for appearances sake, others opting for a more cataclysmic view in which old things topple and new things emerge in the full light of day...

to be honest...this all smacks of mental masturbation to me personally. But it is a very challenging thing even to imagine any kind of solution that would work...

I confine my fantasy projections to the Paramatman essentially...show me just one legitimately nuclear human being walking and talking and doing as he/she pleases and I'll show you a whole new form of government in which people mainly come to govern themselves...

Thus "Do What Thou Wilt" may yet form the basis of an entire governmental construct, though it is highly dependent upon some (yet) unknown technology. Obviously you can't really *do what thou wilt* while any asshole with a gun can prevent it. But there it is see...always some technological connection...

So this is definitely a high-tech fantasy and can do nothing about the problems faced in the immediate. All my *utopian* fantasies are essentially high-tech I think. I have a lot of faith in Knowledge. I still believe that our own unconscious ignorance is the main thing doing us in.

m1

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Personally I'm just relieved the next US president will be somebody who can beat a chimpanzee at scrabble

[m1thr0s]

well...unless McCain slips in of course...

In which case we better start trying to design a car that runs on bananas...

m1

[MythMath]

This is the closest thing I could find:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/diecast_cars/GilliansIslandmobile.jpg

[m1thr0s]

rofl...hey that's a takeoff on the old *woody"!

m1

[Apopheros]

Obama for Prez!!!:)

I believe there is a huge symbolic behind this election. For some reason it feels like America had to elect the first black President before 2010 to meet some sort of deadline.

After he's elected, you can be sure the whole Galaxy will have its eyes on Earth and it may be one step to avoid race wars and even ease up first contact.
There goes my utopian ideas...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Obama for Prez!!!:)

I believe there is a huge symbolic behind this election. For some reason it feels like America had to elect the first black President before 2010 to meet some sort of deadline.

After he's elected, you can be sure the whole Galaxy will have its eyes on Earth and it may be one step to avoid race wars and even ease up first contact.
There goes my utopian ideas...

Er, just like Thatcher improved things for women in the UK? :p

[m1thr0s]

well, we'll see...in my experience the office changes people drastically, and always for the worse...

the whole system is rigged to get us all focused on individuals but the job itself is nearly 100% automated...a freaking monkey could do the actual job of being president save that it would be difficult to sell a monkey politically...

Obama might like to dismantle Blackwater outright...but can he actually do it? Not a chance. The same with the healthcare system, the economy, and so on...People who come onboard as president are essentially temp-laborers to a job that is - by now - nearly completely controlled by other "invisible" players...

And those people don't give a second thought to taking out anything or anybody that crosses them...

It's a media event...it keeps people all wound up as if something good were about to happen just because a new person is doing the job...

none of it is real.

m1thr0s

[Talkingfox]

I utterly agree with you M1 on all counts.
I never really thought that BushCo. was the real problem myself...just a particularly arrogant symptom of a systemic disease.

Personally the only difference that I see in Republicans and Democrats is the speed at which their knees hit the floor when big business comes knocking.

[Dragon]

Poof, I'm back.

Obama is backed by Rockefeller money. Same old order. Same old games.

For those of you not up an the history of the rulers of the dominant paradigm,
I strongly recommend Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs.


Fucking gangsters, you know I love them. NOT!

As far as my active involvement in the world of politics, my physical associates know what I do, so I won't reveal what organizations I work with here because of the potential danger to my son. 'Nuff said there.

I take it one battle at a time, while keeping the big picture in mind. I don't rule out the potential of a revolutionary figure, magickally speaking, but I can't count on it in my lifespan, so I do what I can, where I can, when I can; as long as there remains something to do, if it is within my power, I'll do my best.


No Justice - No Peace....


Hi gang.

~D~

[wiz-oz]

There are 18 levels of clearance (i believe or something like that) on a 'need to know' basis above your president. Then it makes no difference who's president. a chimp sounds appealing!

[m1thr0s]

interesting...and that's logically only within the militaristic scheme of things. At the level of economics there are a good many more *levels of clearance* than that...

In his groundbreaking book The Power Elite, C. Wright Mills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Wright_Mills) traced the economic leadership of the entire world to 6 families. At the time of its writing, these 6 families were estimated to control over 60% of the world's resources, and those figures are out of date today where it has almost certainly climbed up into the high 80's or 90's.

Yet the power itself has not changed hands. The events of nations do not impact it since The Power Elite plays all sides against the middle at all times. If there is to be a war...they back both sides for instance and have been doing business this way for centuries.

We have to understand economics to understand world leadership for what it really is and how it really moves.

I believe that this can change, but the nature of that change is fundamentally revolutionary in scope and has to effectively redefine economics itself in order to assume an active role in the world as we know it. Not everyone can tackle such a radical transference of power...yet it is reasonable to assume that all human beings are potentially capable of pushing the critical buttons that set it all in motion.

I think they know this...the so-called Power Elite I mean...I think they both know it and fear it above all else. You have to consider that if such a thing were known to be true, the surest way to prevent it from occurring would be to maintain an orchestrated state of desperation and dispersion at all times...never let them get to their knees, in essence, or it could very well be curtains time for the status quo.

But whether this is understood or not understood by the ruling classes is not as important as that its principle is grasped by those who might be capable of pushing it to its logical conclusions... I have always thought it is a grave misfortune how few occultists really understand the power they have access to...a power rooted in superior knowledge and ultimately superior technology as well. But it's a stretch alright...and one has to think really BIG to impact anything.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

the whole system is rigged to get us all focused on individuals but the job itself is nearly 100% automated...a freaking monkey could do the actual job of being president save that it would be difficult to sell a monkey politically...

You mean Bush jr isn't actually a chimpanzee in a suit? :eek:

[m1thr0s]

lately I have become more and more convinced that bush jr. was actually a covert cia experiment organized from birth by bush senior...

it's actually not all that far-fetched at all...manchurian candidate stuff...darwin did it...other fucked-up demigods of culture have done it...used their own kids as experimental fodder to push their own twisted world-domination designs...

and bush senior would have known exactly how to do it and would have had plenty of resources on tap to put it all into action...

nobody is that stupid and at the same time that godamm effective at destroying things...I think bush jr. was some sort of covert mind-control experiment from the get...

he talks to god you know...bush jr I mean...the question is...who is controlling what god tells him?

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

great thread.
first, a lyrical reply...this is a song by conor oberst, the man behind bright eyes...

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?

I doubt it

I doubt it


if you haven't checked out conor and bright eyes before, i strongly recommend him...really in the dylan/guthrie vein of american protest music...

[fr.novumorganum]

although i will work and vote for Obama, (and several other progressive candidates www.actblue.com (http://www.actblue.com) ) sadly i think the overall tone of this thread is right.

part of what i learned/experienced during my long jupiter working was how much being plugged into the capitalistic system really corrupts the self, true will, and our understanding of attainment. capital is the rat within the very structure of the throne...

[Neshamah]

This is truly a great thread.

My Rosicrucian ideals lead me to believe that humankind will triumph in the end. The men (and a few women) who believed in Democracy (way back in 1776) believed that humanity + knowledge = right government. I think that this is still a good model, it just needs to be 'kick-started' again.

Living in the so-called "Information Age" we should have more knowledge which humanity can use to create a workable government. The problem is that, for the most part, humanity doesn't care one bit about this stuff anymore. They are really interested in "What's in it for Me?" and that's all. If it doesn't give them a better car or more gadgets to alleviate their increasing boredom, they truly are NOT interested.

So, how do we go about getting humanity (at large) interested in improving their "system of government"? I don't know the answer to that question either, but I believe it is fundamental to any kind of permanent change in the way things are.

Light, Life, and Love.

For a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

[m1thr0s]

So, how do we go about getting humanity (at large) interested in improving their "system of government"? I don't know the answer to that question either, but I believe it is fundamental to any kind of permanent change in the way things are.Sadly, people rarely seem to learn anything from history, and this means that the usual impetus of wholesale crisis is probably the only damn thing most people will finally respond to...and by then it is too late for a great many people at least.

But I refuse to go from being a pissed-off realist to being a despondent nihilist...if many will die, then many will die but the truth, nonetheless, will out. It just means that we may have to anticipate the worst while still aggressively hunting down any and all possible options.

None of us can do it all, that's for sure. I'm locked into accelerated evolution personally...that's the ball I've got to run with so I have to run with that as hard as I can. Others will have something else going on that may be just as valid or possibly even more immediately doable...they need to be encouraged to run with their best instincts as well.

We all have to tap our *hidden* resources here or we're all going to be shit out of luck. And we need to talk to each other as well...this whole *divide and conquer* bit is a very precise economic strategy being employed all the time right here and now...so we can't afford to play the lone fucking ranger all the time...people need each other when the shit hits the fan.

m1

[deviadah]

Enjoyable thread!

I just wish I had the right to not take part in the coming USA election. Guess ignoring the olympics will do for now...

he talks to god you know...bush jr I mean...the question is...who is controlling what god tells him?
It is easy to find the answer for that... whoever it is that is making the greatest profit!

:cool:

[MythMath]

Profit of Doom... :p

[Apopheros]

http://www.assemblee-martinique.com/joomla/images/stories/news/obama.JPG
YES WE CAN !!!



Obama for PREZ! :thumbsup:

[fr.novumorganum]

that was a great speech!

[Dragon]

Too bad he did not write it.

I've worked inside with the Obama campaign, being the mercenary fuck I am,
and it's the same old machine I've ground through with other candidates and heads of state....It makes the speech or it gets the hose!

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." - The Who, Won't Get Fooled Again.

~D~

[Ci Celli Ddu]

SnObama

[m1thr0s]

In his acceptance speech Obama has *promised* to end US dependence on Mideast oil within 10 years...

If he were to keep that one promise alone he'd probably go down in history as the greatest American president since Washington...

of course, even with 2 terms of office he's only got 8 years to spend...

something squirrely going on with his arithmetic?

time will tell.

m1

[mantis]

Don't be so hard on the Chimpanzees.The only reason we keep them in cages is so they won't take over.

[deviadah]

although i will work and vote for Obama
You know if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal (to paraphrase Emma Goldman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman))!

:cool:

[fr.novumorganum]

well, yes, the possibility of radical change through an election is very rare. however, elections do have consequences; i can just throw up my hands and let the cretin neo-cons entrench themselves further or I can work to shift power, ever so slowly the other way.

Those of us that have to live here can't afford such a cavalier attitude.


I hate to see your broken face
This world would give you anything

As long as you will want to
As long as you will want to

I hate your state of hopelessness
And that vain articulateness
Your loser type wreck wanna be
Not a pretty sight really
In another world it'd be funny

I hate to see your broken face
A lazy life of fatal waste
Of fashionable cynicism
The poison (http://linx.chitika.net/track?target=http%3A//ypn-100.overture.com/d/sr/%3Fxargs%3DYEw9cODYZ9PU0-jlUQJ9lQo7GZW0IEt-PIrNaRSN-WZTge4ODBjV6Af82_fxWrlLOCPT-pdG1O6H77bzVWiejz606mVd9CanWm3-HbiVkIF7nyAfeEazfnHh0UiWG4VKsGg7IyvRWWHsxM9oiZLAog IZ4vcpdZT63WnwmPR7tbymCI2tasOw4H0V_1DHsrdXPXV0ND64 r1yGTg6pqHmHmPkl63bQCtk-2jHgkj8n24Ze98BsUILfrsfTlWqPZ-XnxyzYxI5n1VqPUGQu2hpeJ0USc9PykLiKPxgtzvBPBCxDMEDm iH-CjPlm6V_As0ucpNB_X4OJ3VoJSly7zq8pPMMZ9I9d-6BJkZwHJm2L3tyRsG_OHqsaa2Rl6JaA4tbNjQ2eRob1tl0hJFX 4ggRsycct3OSTS6K5OaE7kmARVawL32G8S5lECIguidWmQDfx% 26op%3D36ef997&xargs=IsYKd%2BIGBBWoaFw/tnaqT99dOOQ8XUNGunTYBIRGoNPZxa2SnOmxa0wV%2BHkuTZBj vkUkcYK4wMqkuvfRF40TvD/HGFnJXYfJ31LEgx6%2BIFks//lxJuTz5BsOxkgNcj8VOMV9bktTWXnqxSB8UCEWygrO2CvVpdLe/vUDJLNE8aky2a%2BWiXf4dUo3PeSoe/FFz5O/sCyLRNoBEg2Gb8TK%2BCmaNJo0/tBYtvA4%2BiOCb3pQ%2BnEZQ1i4e9U6gJ/mg/%2BkFTHwEe4TKEhlOie8Ye1Q8NOOwKaRenSppF8WTYkER6Q%3D&keyword=poison), they want you to drink

Oh no man, that's too easy
Oh no man, that's so easy

We weren't talking 'bout happiness
Apply your leading potential
To be useful to this planet
The world would give you anything

As long as you will want to
As long as you will want to

I hate to see your broken face
A lazy life of fatal waste
Of fashionable cynicism
The poison, they want you to drink

Oh no man, that's so easy
Oh no man, that's too easy

We weren't talking 'bout happiness
Apply your leading potential
To be useful to this planet
The world would give you anything

As long as you will want to
As long as you will want to


stereolab, the noise of carpet

[Ritual_Kiss]

That was a creepy video that reeked of doublespeak. The whole "up is down" mentality of the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. And is it just me, or did they pick the most stereotypical Song of the South old black guy they could find. For all I know he could be genuinely honest and nice dude, but seriously, it just feels wrong. They both looked like puppets with hideously exaggerated smiles that no human can wear without looking demonic.

Here, this is what I mean. turn off the audio so as not to subject yourself to that nasty song, and look at the girl smiling 1 min into it.

YouTube - Buffy - Conversations With Dead People - Prelude 12/21!

Now look at this picture.
http://blogs.nypost.com/tv/photos/john_mccain.jpghttp://elections.foxnews.com/files/2008/03/mccain_john_033108_320.jpg

[Anibis]

Shades of Jack Nicholson's Joker, there...
-A-

[m1thr0s]

Goldman's commentary is tongue-in-cheek and it's pretty funny actually but not especially true. Just look at what a powerful thing polls have become...which is a kind of voting as well...sort of *pre-voting* I think. In a democratic system (even a poor one) it's just about the only thing that nearly everybody has access to that can force change to happen.

m1

[Anibis]

So Steven Harper has called an election for Oct 14th. What has Harper's attention is the Obama factor, and the sooner-than-later date is Nov. 4 -- U.S. election day.

A possible Obama win is the game changer.

Harper isn't blind to polls showing Obama's huge popularity in Canada. He sees the power of the "yes we can" and "change you can believe in" mantras for the Facebook generation.

From this (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Opinion/Editorials/2008/09/02/6633176.html) article.

IMO, it's going to be as important who is in power here as who is in power down south. I am really really hoping that Harper get's ejected, still the problem is always 'vote-splitting': you HAVE to act like it's a two party system in order to effect any real voting power. Very unfortunate. Makes integrity voting a liability which is precisely what it should NEVER be...

[Anibis]

You can get a tee-shirt of Steven Harper's creepy eyes...

Look here (http://www.zazzle.com/stephen_harper_eyes_t_shirt-235000700882655114)

Talk about demonic...
-A-

[Anibis]

That was a creepy video that reeked of doublespeak. The whole "up is down" mentality of the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. And is it just me, or did they pick the most stereotypical Song of the South old black guy they could find. For all I know he could be genuinely honest and nice dude, but seriously, it just feels wrong. They both looked like puppets with hideously exaggerated smiles that no human can wear without looking demonic.


That video was a total spoof, though... It was loaded with irony and thick with satire... Scary thing is, it almost came off as real to me...
-P-

[Ritual_Kiss]

Glad to know it was a spoof, but its sad it's come to a point where things like this are believable.

[deviadah]

Those of us that have to live here can't afford such a cavalier attitude.That's funny, people here in Europe are saying the exact same thing. Without going way off topic let me just say that there are three ways to be an active non-voter:

1. Ridicule authority (laugh, giggle or ignore them)

2. Question authority/government when possible (for instance visit the seats of power and be a real pest)

3. Use freedom of speech (which you still have to some degree even in the US)

The only enemy is time and lack of patience... change WILL come!

:cool:

[mantis]

I got to give the guy some credit though.It's really hard to be under so much pressure and still be able to muster up a well kinda exagerated but still kinda reasuring smile.Um kinda a false but still important to just give the feeling that it will all work out. I'd nver be able to be a politician. I have a really bad poker face.