Trigrammal Fields 001...

[m1thr0s]

Trigrammal Fields
The Nuclears

http://abrahadabra.com/images/nuclears001.jpg

A little backgrounding...

This image outlines a practice that is quite a few articles away from being thoroughly discussed, so don't worry about it if it seems too much to take in all at once. I am laying it out at this time to give you a kind of visual impression how this all fits anatomically. By the time you can perform this meditation correctly, you will hardly need much more instruction of any kind since the system itself will already be guiding you by then.

I refer to images of this sort as "mirrors", since they have many things in common with the "magickal mirror" as a scrying/weaving tool directly, but also because they are reflecting information back at the viewer the way a common mirror does. Here in this image, if the person seated were your own reflected image and you were to move your right hand, its left hand would appear to move, because the entire image is designed as a reflective opposite. In this way all yin and yang polarities remain optimal on behalf of the real viewer, so that the "pillars" are not disturbed. In Abrahadabra, as with the Tree of Life, what is viewed on the left should be considered to reside on the left in most instances and likewise with the right. I know of a very few instances where people insist that it works the other way around for them and there is no point debating this. If it works opposite in your own case, and you are quite confident of this, so be it.

There are too many principles demonstrated here to hit on all of them, so I will just pull a few things out at random and return to others at a later time. In general, learning how to perform this particular energy manipulation discipline is not a lot harder than learning how to play musical scales and, indeed, there are a lot of parallels with musical scales in general. As with scales, just going through the motions in an unfocused sort of way won't get you very far very fast but will still benefit you a little. The real benefit comes from bearing down hard against them and really playing them as opposing mearly mimicking their structure. But the essential logic involved is nowhere near as difficult as it might sometimes appear on the face of it. Again, as with music, things become a lot more complex when you begin to mix and match things in customized sorts of ways where the possibilities are technically infinite and each person's individuality is assured. This methodology does not produce "clones" anymore than the Cycle of 5ths does, and yet if you perform it badly, you will probably come off like a clone.

One of the distinct advantages of operating within a closed-loop mathematical logic like we are dealing with here is the possibility of training memory itself to a very high degree of autonomic reflexivity. Once this system is sufficiently trained in it may be possible for the mind to exact highly complex energy field constructs with almost no conscious effort at all. This means that there exists the possiblity of training the mind to think and act within the framework of the language of light itself and do so in a very nearly "frictionless" sort of way. Initially, we definitely have to think about this stuff but as we get more experience under our belts we find ourselves able to run ahead of the actual thought process involved, again, the same as with musical scales. Other than this, it has always been maintained by the tantrics that our ability to train non-thought functionality is the key to negotiating things beyond our conscious grasp...this is how we may go about training the higher mind to assume control where the lesser mind might fail, due to gaps in consciousness which are a normal part of day-to-day existence.

The basic concepts...

The basic discipline consists of creating 4-part energy "rings" corresponding to line-values defined in one or another binary or ternary field templates. Theoretically, we could work from anything as simple as a single line value of either yin, yang or jen character, but in order to make the most efficient use of time and energy itself, its is generally more adviseable to concentrate on larger energy structures such as tetragrams or hexagrams, the base values of which are bigrams or trigrams. Aside from the creation of energy rings themselves, there are certain *chunking* actions we employ to section off our constructs in balanced quarters which have the general effect of making them feel more *solid* and correctly centered and grounded. We can either build in a counter-clockwise or clockwise directions, the rule of thumb being counter-clockwise on the yin side and clockwise on the yang. We would typically prefer to *close* on the downbeat unless we are engaged in an external projection of some kind such as a banishing action, but I will have to address these kinds of actions later. For the moment it is sufficient to be aware that we are not limited to passive energy creations only and it is perfectly possible to *throw* an energy field or otherwise direct it away from ourselves as the need arises. It is also possible to create an elemental field and then superimpose a secondary instructions upon it, such as a particular sigil, a name or other magickal word, a magickal square or any other specialized field instructions. Our basic operations are elemental in nature, but what we might do with these elemental fields is entirely left to our own discretion and there are no inherent limitations of any kind in this area.

By in large, it is the most profitable use of time to always work within the constraints of quartered circular constructions but we are free to approach this in a wide range of ways. We can focus on a single structure, paired structures, or triangulated structures predominantly, although any combination of structures we might come up with are just as fair game in the end....there really are no *absolute* rights or wrongs in any of this. There is only what is practically useful or not so useful to us in the moment. This whole system is aimed at extreme efficiency for the mostpart, so what we tend to settle upon in the final analysis are those things that most often return as the most expeditious (and generally rewarding) kinds of actions.

With or without Abrahadabra, the triangle itself figures prominently in Mutational Alchemy as it is simply the most efficient structure in nature. I have already shown that Abrahadabra just so happens to give us the tetractys squared internally and also corresponds perfectly to the four-elemental and nine-elemental properties of Bigrammaton at either binary or ternary levels, so it has qualified itself as relevant to this whole discussion. In general, our method of drawing energy and directing it is based upon the triangle itself, where we would typically always begin from center, drawing straight to apex, run our rings in a circular motion (back to apex) and section them off in quarters using the triangle, running in the same direction as our rings. One of the chief advantages of the triangle is that it allows us to coalesce our field constructs at apex and then deposit their force plumb, dropping all the way down to the lower cusp of the circle and floating back up to center, where we can then commence our next action. In this way we are really always working from center and returning to center in everything we build. Further, everything we build winds up being built unicursally, following these guidelines. On the physical body itself, this works out to the Solar Plexus area, or the traditional *seat of will* as it is often called. Therefor we are perfectly justified in calling this particular methodology *will magick* by strictest anatomical definition. One might think this would be of some interest to *thelemites* but I have mostly found them to be surprisingly slow-witted at apprehending power on its own self-evident merits. Nevertheless, I have no time to mourn their limitations as the world itself is in a dire circumstances at present and we may only really get one good shot at this, as near as I can tell.

People can say whatever they want about Aleister Crowley and I have no doubt that most of the negative bits are true, but the guy had his moments. One his better snags was assigning the formula of HVA-ATH-H (=418) to Abrahadabra itself, since what this allows us to do is run HVA (usually pronounced HU-AH) to the ascending triangle, dropping plumb to ATH-H in one fell swoop, centering back at TH (Tau) for the rest. To understand this fully it helps to understand the principle of the magickal triangle, a way of counting the points in the tetractys that follow the guidelines laid down in the Lo Shu Diagram, as nearly as this can be achieved in triangles. I have discussed this at other places on this site but the upshot is that we get the number 10 at center in this arrangement which is precisely where the TH (Tau) winds up at in the formula of HVA-ATH-H. But even more intriguing to me than this is that it makes maximum use of the formula of AHVH, our mysterious Man-Line property, which Crowley himself never once outlined as such...so this is a very curious thing that has no definite explanation I can think of. In any case it can easily be recommended as an appropriate center-and-grounding word in trigrammal field construction on the strength of its Man-Line correlation alone. It's not the only possible word of its kind but a perfectly appropriate word that exhibits high marks all around. I have used it for many years myself and still cannot find an alternate word that is better suited to this purpose, necessarily.

This then is just the general outline of things and I will back up and slow things down a bit in future segments. For the moment I mainly want to go over the big picture a bit so that careful readers may have a clearer sense where all of this is headed.

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Absolutely incredible image m1thr0s, I love it...the article is awesome as well. I'm looking forward to the subject matter's further unfoldment, as it looks surprisingly similar to some of my own drawings and assorted practices.

Ah, great, so you also set the binary triagrammal equivalent of the 3 Gunas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guna) on the points of the Abrahadabra grid. Since I'm working with the Gunas (and the equilateral triangle containing the Body) quite thoroughly myself, this was my first approach concerning Abrahadabra although I was not sure if you did this too. It is certainly the most successful arrangement for the creation of the fields themselves, and depending on the system used (binary or ternary) the actual value of the apex may change, although the concept itself remains intact.

What I have myself always found quite curious and intriguing, is that the center of the circle surrounding the Grid (as the Grid's center itself) lies at the navel, right above the middle of the path between the Sephiroth Hod and Netzach, while the center of the Tree itself lies at the Solar Plexus, and the Sephira Tiphareth...

Kain

[m1thr0s]

I'd love to see more of your own image work if you feel like letting any of it be shown Kain. I also understand that when things are under development this might not always be something you would be comfortable with, so no pressure or anything...

Yes, the different center points you have observed are a curious thing to dwell on. I suppose it doesn't hurt anything to quote the saying "geometry tells no lies" here. But it reinforces the notion that the Tree of Life and the Tetracys, of which Abrahadabra is a natural extension, are separate mathematical systems with different centers of gravity converging on many other coordinate points.

It will probably interest you to note that the inner circle (or the yoke) that runs from the traditional Crown point to the base of the Triangle does converge on the same center point as the Tree of Life, if we reconstruct everything to that circle. If you observe that portion of the Grid, you will also see that it comprises its own internal Tetractys running 7 tiers in heigth and balanced out in points (which is more traditional) to the inner circle itself. When I first began working with this stuff I was not so focused on the Grid but more interested in the Tree itself, so this was actually the sphere I worked within rather extensively. It made a lot of sense at the time and still has its merits in my view since its focus is linking 1-10 which is a more traditional approach to the Tree.

In the end the Grid won sway with me and I began working more along those lines which is where things are at today, but I never regretted spending a lot of time on the inner circle and I still think it is something that should be looked at and experimented with. Because I am always looking to cover as much ground as possible affording the least amount of time/energy expendiature, I finally concluded there was nothing I was accomplishing at the inner circle I could not just as readily accomplish from the greater Grid and working from the Grid has a lot of subtle (and not-so-subtle) liberating qualities as well...

I think I still have a number of charts around from that period I may drag out and post for whatever value they may serve...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I'd love to see more of your own image work if you feel like letting any of it be shown Kain. I also understand that when things are under development this might not always be something you would be comfortable with, so no pressure or anything...There are tons of the stuff lying around here really, although most I feel are without eventual value. It is true that I often redefine/rebuild most of the tools I am working on, and the most impressive and time-resilient ones don't really portray anything different from what your own work does with so much better quality m1thr0s...

I'll probably post some anyway, although I will probably wait for some things to settle down in my mind before doing so, as I am constantly redevelopping aspects of it. Perhaps the most important difference is that I work with lots of essentially simple (and semi-independant) matrices that are built for collective use in the purpose of navigating the Body, rather than being actual co-ordinates of it. I do both really, but I do most of the former. I will get to posting some at some point though...!
Yes, the different center points you have observed are a curious thing to dwell on. I suppose it doesn't hurt anything to quote the saying "geometry tells no lies" here. But it reinforces the notion that the Tree of Life and the Tetracys, of which Abrahadabra is a natural extension, are separate mathematical systems with different centers of gravity converging on many other coordinate points. It certainly never hurts to quote that saying, as it has an unparralelled inherent truth concerning the mathematical side of veryfing a concept... I just love it personally and use it very often. It is important to remind ourselves however the difference between the two mathematical systems, despite their very precise tendency to converge and synchronize with one another at so many points. I like the way you describe it as "different centers of gravity" and find it very fitting for the current situation...two synchronistic systems that nevertheless remain seperate and tend to focus on different aspects of the same essential reality.

It will probably interest you to note that the inner circle (or the yoke) that runs from the traditional Crown point to the base of the Triangle does converge on the same center point as the Tree of Life, if we reconstruct everything to that circle. If you observe that portion of the Grid, you will also see that it comprises its own internal Tetractys running 7 tiers in heigth and balanced out in points (which is more traditional) to the circle itself. When I first began working with this stuff I was not so focused on the Grid but more interested in the Tree itself, so this was actually the sphere I worked within rather extensively. It made a lot of sense at the time and still has its merits in my view since its focus is linking 1-10 which is a more traditional approach to the Tree. Indeed, I have noticed that the inner circle does converge on the same center as the Tree itself, and have worked with it a lot as well. I had not observed the inner 7-tiered Tetractys though, very good point indeed! Even though I greatly understand it's significance, I must say I always felt something to be ultimately missing in the energy manipulation session, and in the Body's anatomy in general. It all seemed complete, yet...not so. As if I had charted out all the necessary components of Form, yet still not managed to grasp it's ultimate connection with the Life that runs through it. And so it was that I began to pay more close attention to the "negative veils", or what lies above the manifest Singularity. Ein, Ein Soph, Wu Chi, and the "negative" emanation of Ein Soph Aur that eventually becomes the manifest Singularity of Kether/Crown became a lot more intriguing to me as time passed, and I eventually based all my previous work in better aligning my built system with those, and finding/forging a valid connection to tap them in the system in their own right.
In the end the Grid won sway with me and I began working more along those lines which is where things are at today, but I never regretted spending a lot of time on the inner circle and I still think it is something that should be looked at and experimented with. Because I am always looking to cover as much ground as possible affording the least amount of time/energy expendiature, I finally concluded there was nothing I was accomplishing at the inner circle I could not just as readily accomplish from the greater Grid and working from the Grid has a lot of subtle (and not-so-subtle) liberating qualities as well......which was pretty much what I found myself doing as well, as forging the greater equilateral triangle, directly linking Ein Soph into the deal, soon followed...
I think I still have a number of charts around from that period I may drag out and post for whatever value they may serve...That would be great, I would be most interested to see those if you feel like posting them!

Kain

[m1thr0s]

Well...since I have already started off with the "yoke" metaphor, it might be worth noting that a yoke does not pull its nourishment from within but rather from the "white" surrounding it. If it were to remain oblivious to this and fail to use every bit of it, it would simply die in the shell...so we may have a stark parallel going on here with respect to the greater Grid...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

The Key of Sol

http://abrahadabra.com/images/nuclears002.jpg

Since I have already alluded to it I might as well include this image which more clearly defines what is going on with the inner circle. Careful study of this arrangement reveals that we are actually dealing with the Key of Sol and there are a couple of ways we can be certain of this. The first thing we can do is to count up the number of internal triangles involved which adds to 36 which is the general number of the key of sol defining the number of squares we get in a 6 x 6 magickal square arrangement. The reality is that the entire Abrahadabra grid gives us all magickal square values from 3 - 10 and there's an easy way to keep track of these. In the Grid, there are 11 tiers of points and 10 tiers of triangles. By counting down rows of triangles you will always get the exact total of triangles corresponding to that numbers magickal square arrangement. The first magickal square begins at 3, since it is not possible to construct one for 1 or 2. Count down 3 rows of triangles and add up all the triangles in that section = 9. The key of Saturn is a 3 x 3 grid = 9 squares. The same pattern follows consistently throughout. 4 rows down yields 4 x 4 = 16 triangles, 5 rows down yields 5 x 5 = 25 triangles and so on until we reach the 10th row = 10 x 10 = 100 triangles called the Key of Malkuth or the Kamea of Earth etc. This is just a curious feature of equilateral triangles when subdivided by any number of lesser equilateral triangles. It validates that Abrahadabra is a base 10 numerology however so this is important to know. A list of all possible magickal squares in the Tree of Life can be viewed here (http://www.hermeticfellowship.org/GDRef/Qemeoth.html) .

Another way we can verify that this arrangement corresponds to the Key of Sol is in the geometry which clearly converges on Sol, called Tiphareth on the Tree of Life. We get a tight synchronization between triangle and tree here and the Tetractys itself forms its own supporting subdivision balanced in Sol. This is a powerful tool and should not be slighted in any other respect than the fact that it is not the final grand total itself, but rather a potent subdivision of that total. I know of no harm that can come from working with these variations and oftentimes a great deal of good will come from it. There are important mysteries to be observed and lessons to be learned here so it may even be adviseable to spend a certain amount of time with it.

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Certainly a very powerful image and tool m1thr0s, thank you very much for sharing. Yes...this looks pretty much with what I had in mind. The Grid offers it properties and ramifications beyond my wildest expectations though, and certainly not something I had observed myself...wow...very potent stuff! It certainly is not not the final grand total as you say, although it's potential is worthy of respect and extensive specific study...

Kain

[m1thr0s]

It's a remarkable structure Kain...honestly, the most amazing damn thing I have ever seen or I would have moved on from it years ago. But it just keeps on developing new wrinkles, revealing new mysteries and so on. Now that trigrammaton is involved I think I may be stuck with the thing for the duration...lol

No problem though...beats the hell out of the meaningless gibberish I find in so many other systems...

I imagine that right now very little of this is very clear to anyone yet. There are a lot more diagrams to unveil and a lot more articles to go over. I suppose I really should have written a book, but in truth I much prefer a more interactive format...even if only a few are paying any attention. It only takes a few anyway to completely redefine reality itself...so long as they actually are dealing with reality. Here, in this immediate context, I am supremely confident we are doing just that... I keep waiting for someone to indicate in a very clear language why this might not be the case...I've been waiting on this for years but thus far I have found no takers...

Don't be bashful folks...If it's all just a load of bullshit, please do inform us as to why that is. Inquiring minds need to know...
In the meantime, I am inclined to go with the numbers.

It may be of some interest to note that Abrahadabra gives every technical apprearance of being what the alchemists referred to as "the universal solvent" (see: alkahest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkahest)) and would, in that case, be synonymous with the so-called "philosopher's stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone)". It's probably too soon to be absolutely certain of that just yet, but it is certainly a principal contender to this at the very least. Hermetic Alchemy has never regarded this as a literal substance so much as a principle of some kind...something akin to the unified force field theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_unification_theory) of modern physics...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

It may be of some interest to note that Abrahadabra gives every technical apprearance of being what the alchemists referred to as "the universal solvent" (see: alkahest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkahest)) and would, in that case, be synonymous with the so-called "philosopher's stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone)". It's probably too soon to be absolutely certain of that just yet, but it is certainly a principal contender to this at the very least. Hermetic Alchemy has never regarded this as a literal substance so much as a principle of some kind...something akin to the unified force field theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_unification_theory) of modern physics...Certainly. I pretty much approached this system from the beginning with such aspirations, as I think that this is the ultimate point of building a Body of Light map in the first place, although I guess it's important to be openly stated. I agree that Abrahadabra has all the technical qualifications needed that I can think of for claiming such an important position...of course, all such systems are ultimately judged by their success to emulate such a state, although judging from as far as I can speak for myself, it has not shown any limitations up until now and it doesn't look like it's going to either...

Kain

[m1thr0s]

One of the things to bear in mind with the key of sol arrangement is that the full thrust of the descending triangle is directed square at Yesod, sephira #9 on the Tree, called the Foundation. This isn't a bad thing in itself but it means we are not getting the benefit of that thrust directed at sephira #10 (Malkuth, Kingdom) where it is needed the most. This would have the general effect of achieving a highly energized "astral" planes while leaving earth to fend for itself...a situation we suffer enough under already I think. So in the final analysis, working from the greater Grid is preferable, just on that basis alone, though there are a number of other considerations, not the least of which being en soph itself, which the greater Grid directly accesses...

It can reasonably be argued that there is no discernable difference, since we are still working within the same essential geometries, elemental logic and so forth, affording us a very strong connection to these other coordinates anyway. This is true, so far as it goes, but there are some things that tend to be more true once a thing has been "activated" than prior to this point, and this is something we have to weigh into this kind of discussion. I am always looking for that "maximum inertia - minimum stress" standard in everything I attempt to do within the fields because it occurs to me that even a little unnecessary resistance is more resistance than I am prepared to accept if I can eliminate it just by rearranging priorities.

We are also dealing in consciousness parameters here where right thinking plays a significant role all in itself. The result of being half-right may often be a whole miss until that situation has been adequately corrected. This has to do with our own internal standards and deals with the mysterious ways in which we may actually restrict ourselves by moving in directions which may be less than optimal for us to persist in. Experienced practitioners and energy workers will understand this better than newcomers who may think everything exists for the simple taking. And indeed, everything does exist for the taking, but it's not always quite that simple since we are often required to take certain things in the right way, or not at all. No one really knows for sure how these laws are implemented or what force enforces them per se but it would seem that many of them are innate in some way. Two birds, given the same set of equipment may attempt flight on the very same day...one falling to its death and the other taking flight successfully. No one can be sure what exactly went wrong with the one who fell. All we can be sure of really is that its mind and actions were not in proper sync, since it had everything it needed to be able to fly otherwise.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

...of course, all such systems are ultimately judged by their success to emulate such a state, although judging from as far as I can speak for myself, it has not shown any limitations up until now and it doesn't look like it's going to either...I've really been the rounds on that score Kain. It's a curious sort of issue. On the one hand, we all know (I think) that in the final analysis we are looking for something that can demonstrate stunning results in the real world. On the other hand, it is very easy to get ahead of ourselves in this regard and fail to capitalize on the successes we have right at our disposals. So "success" occurs on a number of levels and we have to be looking at all of them I think and not just the "ultimate" success, since this may be dependant on more factors than a proper map alone. Not that you haven't thought about these things as well...I am just thinking out loud here...

As regarding the I Ching for instance, it has often been said that the I Ching is incapable of producing a "wrong answer", yet obviously our interpretations may be wrong in certain instances. When this statement is made, it is not motivated from any kind of "belief", but rather is a reflection on the enginery itself and the logic that rounds it out. As oracles go, it's simply the perfect "biofeedback" mechanism. You really just couldn't produce anything better, and now we find that it is balanced to the DNA code itself which just reinforces this original assessment all the more. So this marks a level of "success" that can be built upon where many other things simply fail.

Yet the I Ching is tainted by the "judgements" and so on...conventional interpretations that have their roots in something far less universal than the binary system itself. And these interpretations vary dramatically from translation to translation, no two giving us the same conclusions, the same names, or even the same numerations necessarily. Stark variances pervade at the interpretive level where none at all exist in the lines themselves...

I have sort of reached a point where I feel that "relevant" success is mostly based upon how well a thing survives in the trenches...how well it rolls with the punches...how effectively it rebounds from its own apparent setbacks and so on. How does it behave when it seems to "hit the wall"...can it recover from this? Does it require complete dismantling or can it simply be adjusted here or there to get right back in the game? These are matters of strength in a more practical vein and I think that this is possibly the best we can hope for from any analytical model of perfection...that it absorbs whatever punishments we can toss at it and still keeps coming back with the goods. Whenever we find anything with that kind of internal fortitude, we have found something uncommonly successful already...

Just a little side-tour on the question of "success"...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

One of the things to bear in mind with the key of sol arrangement is that the full thrust of the descending triangle is directed square at Yesod, sephira #9 on the Tree, called the Foundation. This isn't a bad thing in itself but it means we are not getting the benefit of that thrust directed at sephira #10 (Malkuth, Kingdom) where it is needed the most. This would have the general effect of achieving a highly energized "astral" planes while leaving earth to fend for itself...a situation we suffer enough under already I think. So in the final analysis, working from the greater Grid is preferable, just on that basis alone, though there are a number of other considerations, not the least of which being en soph itself, which the greater Grid directly accesses...Very good point, I hadn't really noticed that one...another fact openly portarying the importance of the greater Grid.
It can reasonably be argued that there is no discernable difference, since we are still working within the same essential geometries, elemental logic and so forth, affording us a very strong connection to these other coordinates anyway. This is true, so far as it goes, but there are some things that tend to be more true once a thing has been "activated" than prior to this point, and this is something we have to weigh into this kind of discussion. I am always looking for that "maximum inertia - minimum stress" standard in everything I attempt to do within the fields because it occurs to me that even a little unnecessary resistance is more resistance than I am prepared to accept if I can eliminate it just by rearranging priorities.I know, and see it the same way. As far as the difference between the two goes, I felt the same up to a point, not sure which of the two triangles have I been actually perceiving or if there is a difference between them in the first place, but they eventualy differentiated themselves for me through my own practice...so it certainly has to be "activated" to be properly perceived...
We are also dealing in consciousness parameters here where right thinking plays a significant role all in itself. The result of being half-right may often be a whole miss until that situation has been adequately corrected. This has to do with our own internal standards and deals with the mysterious ways in which we may actually restrict ourselves by moving in directions which may be less than optimal for us to persist in. Experienced practitioners and energy workers will understand this better than newcomers who may think everything exists for the simple taking. And indeed, everything does exist for the taking, but it's not always quite that simple since we are often required to take certain things in the right way, or not at all. No one really knows for sure how these laws are implemented or what force enforces them per se but it would seem that many of them are innate in some way. This is in fact an exceptionally important factor, and one I have been personally tracking for a very long time as well. The issue of right thinking is a major one in the resolution of this whole thing, and yet it is so very often not a properly registered/accounted-for factor of potential resistance by aspiring practitioners...
I have sort of reached a point where I feel that "relevant" success is mostly based upon how well a thing survives in the trenches...how well it rolls with the punches...how effectively it rebounds from its own apparent setbacks and so on. How does it behave when it seems to "hit the wall"...can it recover from this? Does it require complete dismantling or can it simply be adjusted here or there to get right back in the game? These are matters of strength in a more practical vein and I think that this is possibly the best we can hope for from any analytical model of perfection...that it absorbs whatever punishments we can toss at it and still keeps coming back with the goods. Whenever we find anything with that kind of internal fortitude, we have found something uncommonly successful already...Indeed...! Another very worthy point to consider, thank you for bringing it up m1thr0s. I have always been extremely interested with the rerlationship between "relevant" and "ultimate" in matters of balance, success and power... I think my take on the matter is pretty much the same as yours, and has been my main criterion for deciding my immediate course of action in such an enviroment in order to find success, even in "relevant" forms.

Kain

[m1thr0s]

one thing is reasonably certain Kain..."wrong" thinking almost never leads to "right" action, without which we will never get anywhere close to any kind of "ultimate" success...

m1thr0s

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I don't understand any of it. mayhaps my innocence, (ignorance :rolleyes: ) can be of use... and I'll ask simple, fundamental questions on the practical applications of your knowledge... and expect answers one with little to (no) background in western occultism might understand. ...and maybe you will see that it is somehow beneficial? ;)


I understand this,-- that you are trying to devise a way for me to 'think in the language of light.' that it is possible to train the mind to subconciously create awesome energy fields.
HOW I don't understand. by meditating on a series of hexagrams? and that these series are in such a way (simliar to scales,) that I can potentially 'play improvised music' with it?

If I am right so far, (and I would not be surprised at all if I am not LOL!) then I need to study and 'understand' what each hexagram represents...?

I have experimented with taoist 5-element fusion.. in which each element has attributed to it a multitude of things.. colors, sounds, emotions, etc.. is this at all similiar to how I must understand the hexagrams? (you must go further into detail on this... and you say it would be best to study the hexagrams.. how do I do this? how do I meditate on a hexagram? how long would I meditate on a hexgram before I move on to the next in the scale?)


So, say that I have successfully come to understand the 9-fundamental trigrams, and have learnt the 'scales', and am even begining to subconsciously create this music... How are you so sure these thought-patterns will manifest energy? (or is it that these thought-patterns are constructed in such a way that they will be in high-vibrations in themselves...? how exactly does this effect my astral body...??? In myexperience, energy is GUIDED by thoughts.. but the idea of thoughts THEMSELVES generating energy is an AWESOME idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

... I don't know, though... I really am lost. I can't understand most of anything that you talking to Kain about! I wonder that kain is really a psuedonym you use to talk to yourself with LOL! Why do no other members of the board reply??

mithros, if I understand right in even the slightest chance, (and I guess I may not,) THEN THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING GROUND-BREAKING STUFF. JUST WOW. OH MY GOD AWESOME.

[m1thr0s]

I think you have successfully breached a barrier I have been trying to figure out how to encourage others to breach also...so I want to congratulate you for that. I know this stuff will not be completely clear to people...what I don't always know is where to begin or how to hit on all the necessary background points. That's why I am turning to this mode of publication...to try to hammer all of these things out. I am a research alchemist in the main...I should have begun talking about all of this years ago but it's actually not my nature to "teach". I have close to 30 years research time into this particular area (yeah, I'm not a kid anymore) and I would never have stuck with it that long if there wasn't something very powerful and very unusual going on here.

First, Kain is a very real person. It just so happens that he is one of the few people I know that has been working along similar lines long before we met. So we have discussed these things before over a period of several years now. We wouldn't have made him a moderator if he was me...that would be kind of dumb I think since it would only increase my workload.

I understand this,-- that you are trying to devise a way for me to 'think in the language of light.' that it is possible to train the mind to subconciously create awesome energy fields. HOW I don't understand. by meditating on a series of hexagrams? and that these series are in such a way (simliar to scales,) that I can potentially 'play improvised music' with itThat's approximately correct except that the creation of hexagrammal energy fields is an active (rather than a passive) process. To understand how and why this works you have to know a little something about the principle of alchemical *projection* that is used in almost all visualization work as well as magickal scrying and even chi work and so on. We are using focused intelligence itself as our basic energy *wand* here...that's what draws the *leylines* we will be building. Fields are built according to a certain alchemical criterion because they are *elemental* energy fields at their root and we need to be able to distinguish between yins and yangs, fire water, air and earth and more. So there are certain logical rules we must follow to create these energy fields correctly.

The fields themselves are physically created, although it is possible to work internally as well as externally. What we do here is *weave* a system of energy *rings* around ourselves, each ring corresponding to a given line in whatever hexagrams we might be working with. You can either pick these at random or you can do a standard I Ching reading to get a starting hexagram, whichever method you happen to like or best suits your purposes at the time.

The better you understand the Hexagrams, the more effective your visualizations will tend to be, so yes, it is adviseable to learn about them but we are also doing something a little different here than you will find discussed in traditional I Ching sources. How long to study them etc is sort of up for grabs. If you are just learning the I Ching, you should expect to spend some time doing readings and becoming acquainted with each hexagram and its traditional meanings. This can take a little time but it's not so bad...it's not that difficult to learn the system.

Thought IS Energy. It's very important to get used to this idea and begin exploring and validating this premise for yourself. Thought is subtle energy and yet it can create and destroy whole worlds. It can move mountains, it can heal, it can kill, there is nothing it cannot do when focused in the proper ways. Hermetic Alchemy maintains that Thought and Matter are essentially the same thing only vibrating at different levels. When we focus thought we change its frequency...its energy signature if you will. Therefor focused thought is inherently amplified and also modified from passive or non-focused thought. It is a "mutable" substance that can manifest in all kinds of powerful ways.

There are a number of things we want to accomplish with all of this. We want to be able to balance and strengthen the Body of Light itself. We want to be able to introduce more energy into our daily lives and be able to use that energy in all kinds of ways. We want to be able to *mutate* from a lesser to a greater energy foundation...to take our *lead* selves and convert them into *gold* etc... In the language of Abrahadabra we want to be able to master the Star Body...to become the *stars* that we are etc... No one knows for sure how far this potential extends. What we are dealing with here is a very methodical mapping out of that identifiable potential giving us a reliable set of criterion to build with...to actually actively accomplish those things that have only really been alluded to historically, and, to varying extents, explored by the tantrics and the mystics and energy workers from all walks of life.

So...see what you can make of that description and we'll take it from there.

m1thr0s

[Kain]

First of all, as m1thr0s said, I am a very real and seperate person...! I just happen to have been drawn to very similar practices quite before even meeting m1thr0s...So that personal work of mine, combined with our years of acquaintance and mutual discussion has led in me having a certain first-hand understanding and experience of the principles at work in this system, and thus being able to carry out these public discussions with him that you reffer to...

By the way, I must second m1thr0s's point about the breaching of a certain barrier, and congratulate you myself as well! As you probably perceive yourself by now, there is lots of stuff that need to be correctly defined and properly conveyed in order for this subject matter to be successfully understood, so one must always remember that it is not an easy job to do, and most probably is certianly a task requiring a lot of time, energy, and trial and error. Most importantly, it requires interpersonal interraction in order for the proper aspects to be unfolded at the right time, so this is why this interractive presentation format was deemed particularly useful as an idea for the conveying of these concepts.

Now, as for the importance of these findings, I am personally convinced it is so although like all such findings it is personal success in practical application that is the ultimate judge of that, so I guess it all comes down to practice...I would write more, but I feel that m1thr0s's post is pretty much brilliant and completely all encompassing of what I am currently thinking on the subject of HOW, so I am going to leave it at that and await your reply for the time being. All I am going to add is that the process of *alchemical projection* really is absolutely vital to the understanding of "how", and is a subject that I think, once properly understood, redefines this whole system of trigrammal fields in a whole new basis of potential uses and exceptionally powerful applications...

Kain

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Thanks, guys. I really appreciate you letting me in.
I am not familiar with the term 'alchemical projection'.. but from what you say, I guess it's simply guiding energy outside of the body. (In this case, around the body.)
Each new ring correlates with a hexagram. Do I simply meditate on the hexagram and its meanings as I 'weave' the ring? Is this enough to influence the energy you put out to correlate with that hexagram?... Otherwise I am not totally sure how I 'put the hexagrammical meanings into the rings.'
--This may become a bit more clear for me as I study the I Ching and these hexagrams. (I will have to purchase off amazon.. and until then, use the internet.)

But, simply the process of imagining myself be surrounded by these rings, (rings, not sphere's, by the way?), and simply 'thinking of the energy as having the attributes of the hexagrammical properties' should be sufficient?

=)

why is it important to think of the energy enveloping me in the forms of rings?

[Kain]

Thanks, guys. I really appreciate you letting me in.
I am not familiar with the term 'alchemical projection'.. but from what you say, I guess it's simply guiding energy outside of the body. (In this case, around the body.)Well, it's great to have you with us...!

Yes, in a way alchemical projection can be defined as just that, although doing that in an especially technically educated way. There are various ways to push energy around, although alchemical projection does so with a lot more accuracy and precision, thus approaching energy maniplation and ley-line forging in a lot more "scientific" way. This is why field elemental qualities and supergeometrical shapes are so important, as they set a map of sorts into which one moves in building such an elemental.
Each new ring correlates with a hexagram. Do I simply meditate on the hexagram and its meanings as I 'weave' the ring? Is this enough to influence the energy you put out to correlate with that hexagram?... Otherwise I am not totally sure how I 'put the hexagrammical meanings into the rings.'
--This may become a bit more clear for me as I study the I Ching and these hexagrams. (I will have to purchase off amazon.. and until then, use the internet.)No, you see, each new ring corresponds to a line value of a hexagram, thus six rings complete a hexagram. Also, keeping in mind that you will already have a certain perception of the quality of the hexagram you will be employing due to a certain knowledge of the I Ching, you will notice that the hexagrammal quality and meaning will readily parralel and manifest itself in the very ring-construct you will have formed, as the two will readily correspond if you have built the construct correctly. Meaning that, having understood how the strong and broken lines interract, the creation of the ring-construct will in itself result in the formation of a construct containing the appropriate hexagrammal meanings and qualities. Perhaps I am not conveying this correctly, and m1thr0s can do a better job though.
But, simply the process of imagining myself be surrounded by these rings, (rings, not sphere's, by the way?), and simply 'thinking of the energy as having the attributes of the hexagrammical properties' should be sufficient?If coupled with a sufficient understanding of concentrated thought and alchemical projection so that the rings are not just "imagined" but imbued with the correct qualities through your thinking, then yes.

I will leave the rest of the questions be addressed by m1thr0s, as I think he will probably do a more complete job in explaining them than I will.

Kain

[...]

wooow... thanks for the clarification-- I really needed it! lol!
I guess one of the next steps is learning how to be successful with 'alchemical projection', then. Is there a good book you can suggest to help me with this practice?

[...]

oh, and by the way, I guess it would be a good idea to ask for a suggestion for the I Ching.There is a version "by C. G. Jung, Hellmut Wilhelm, Richard Wilhelm, and Cary F. Baynes" that I am attracted to.. if only because it has jung's name on it LOL!
But do you gusy have a better choice in mind... at least in respect to the materials you're studying?

[m1thr0s]

Yes, the Wilhelm Baynes edition of the I Ching is by far the best available English translation. One of the reasons for this is that it does an excellent job of converting the poetics of the Chinese language into their best equivalent in English...the importance of this just can't be overstated. You get a translation that is rich in metaphor and full of imagery we can easily identify in English. There are also a couple of companion guides you should pick up as well that will be very helpful in mastering the underlying principles and properties...

I have quite a few more installments left to go on this whole thing so try not to worry too much...you've got time and right now you'll want to get some solid backgrounding in the I Ching itself. What I have done so far is to run a little ahead of the actual class to lay down some guiding concepts for future reference. In my next article(s) I will be backing way up and begin looking at the basics in a lot more detail. You will perhaps be amazed at how *physical* this whole thing really is. It's a very athletic sort of practise and can be translated into many other physical forms just as Tai Chi has its sword forms, staff, etc... Because we are dealing with something that immediately pertains to the Body, physical applications are all over the map...even entering into matters of diet or just about anything of relevance to the human form itself.

So there are a lot of ideas to get used to but it's not really about the ideas so much as effective action. It takes a balance of "right thinking" and "right action" to effectively accomodate "right dharma", or destiny...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I wholeheartedly agree with all said, and I also second the choice for the Wilhelm - Baynes translation. It is truly the best English translation out there in my view as well.

Now, as for alchemical projection, certainly, I think it is vital to become knowledgable and attain experience on that issue to appreciate the power of the system. As for books on the subject, I think that alchemical projection can be found in so many places and practices, yet so few accurate accounts for it are avaiallable. The truth is, everyone uses it to an extent (how could they not?) but very few practitioners seem to consciously perceive and acknowledge the principles at work. Since much of the skill comes with the conscious perception of the ability (as, even though natural talent is a very real factor, even talent has it's limits where hard-core technique begins), quality information is hard to find. Bits and pieces are literally everywhere, yet it is interesting that you mostly find limited and incomplete descriptions and definitions of it, hardly touching upon the power of the ability with all it's aspects equally brought to light. Personally, much of it initially unfolded for me through instinct and then through extensive trial and error. There are various ways to go about it and this is just an examplary practical guideline to touch ground with you in this immediate respect, although I personally initially found out about it through observations based on my practices of scrying and direct energy manipulation (Chi work), as these are disciplines I happen to heavily work with. One can get to understanding alchemical projection through a variety of other ways however...so-called active vizualization, if allowed to reach a level of adequate *reality* in itself, is pretty much indistinguishable from this discipline, especially with a few alchemical overtones strategically added to the procedure. Same goes with sigil-casting, and other such techniques...

Kain

[...]

great =)
I'll go ahead and get that book then... maybe browse around for some other interesting titles.
It is too bad you can't suggest anything more concrete to study in regards to alchemical projection. Maybe I can try and find a reiki teacher in the area, or something like that. (I may not be so lucky...) ...but it definately seems that more 'hands-on' work is the practical solution, as opposed to book-reading, anyways. If I can possibly work my way up to seeing aura's at all again, maybe I can work on 'charging' objects as well. This sort of thing is way too external for me to have any experience with... (what little experience I have...)

It is very interesting to learn how 'active' and 'external' this practice is going to be, mithros. This is the total 'yang' to the 'internal', 'passive' yin that I have been so fond of in the past.
Adding this (or any, I guess) 'yang' to my practice may very well be what I have been needing all this time...? ;)

looking forward to your lessons, man.... (!)

[Kain]

...but it definately seems that more 'hands-on' work is the practical solution, as opposed to book-reading, anyways. If I can possibly work my way up to seeing aura's at all again, maybe I can work on 'charging' objects as well. This sort of thing is way too external for me to have any experience with... (what little experience I have...)Certainly seems like it is the best practical solution, although as I said there is much to be gained by books as well, just not an all-encompassing enough definition and description of the ability's particulars found in one place as far as I know.

Kain

[m1thr0s]

It is too bad you can't suggest anything more concrete to study in regards to alchemical projection.Even the term *alchemical projection* is being used out of context with how the *physical alchemists* would have used the term, so be aware of that. I am pulling every damn card I can find these days to get this conversation back on the table. What you want to look to is *visualization* and *scrying* informations wherever you can find it. To find a good book on magickal weaving, I would have to write one, which is flat out weird since neither magickal nor mystical traditions of any kind would be anywhere without it...yet this is the most taboo subject matter on earth it would seem. At the risk of repeating myself, I will say it again that sometimes a *great work* is best defined by a *great lack* of some kind. One of the areas we find most lacking in today is anything having to do with the nuts and bolts of what I would prefer to call *alchemical projection*, since we really are talking about *projecting* creative mind as energy itself. Or is it the other way around? Even the most expert cannot be completely certain where mind leaves off and matter begins.

When you draw a pentagram in the air, what the hell are you actually doing? When you *imagine* a great source of energy just above your head and visualize yourself drawing that energy down in a perfect circle around yourself and returning it back to source, why did you do that? What exactly have you accomplished? If you were paying attention to what you just did you probably felt it give a little *shimmer* as you returned it back to where you started. Did you feel that? What the hell was that?

Even the most skeptical of scientists, if they argue from a position of the data itself, cannot be sure that you are doing nothing at all since there are effects from these kinds of practises which can, in fact, be measured...they just aren't sure what any of it means. And it's a good thing that they don't in many ways. It's the one thing they have not yet found a way to completely despoil, but at the same time these things have been driven so far into the closet that no one really knows how to talk about them anymore with any remarkable degree of coherence.

Here in this practise, it must be discussed since this is the principle modality we are dealing in. This practise is all about the nuts and bolts of creative visualization or it's about nothing at all. That would be just fine except for the fact that it grows and gets stronger and more dimensional with the passage of time and repeated applications. Under the right conditions I am currently able to generate enough of a charge that I could literally knock you right on your ass with it and I am not exaggerating. How can nothing do that? The truth is, it cannot do that, and we are dealing with something very real and very precise that is simply not very well understood, but we're gaining on it.

edit: I should probably point out that just being able to move energy around is not all that unusual and not the real determiner of an exceptional system in itself. What I believe is emerging in Mutational Alchemy is essentially an unexpected western tantric technology combining the best of both eastern and western gnosis. That it would be emerging in the west is really just a circumstantial situation having to do with a freer flow of information in the west at present. This could all change in the blink of an eye which is one of the reasons it is important to go global asap. I never know but what I may wind up having to complete this work in Calcutta or Peking or even Sidney for that matter...

m1thr0s

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It is something intangible, and is something that can only be experienced subjectively. perhaps it may prove folly to try to establish objectivity to your work? Maybe the efficacy of your system will prove more important than the explanation?

Would any other person not steeped in the same knowledge you have, be able to help you with your work? There may be incredible masters out there, but you are working on something that may be so new and incredible to them, that you might have to teach them before they could help..? ;)

just super amazing. O_O

[m1thr0s]

thanks [...] although even saying thanks feels a little weird to me since in some ways it feels a little like taking credit for the laws of physics themselves...but thanks anyway, lol.

You know, experience must always be *subjective*, yet still there are many things we may know in common. We all know what *hot* is and we can generally predict with a fair degree of accuracy what will happen when someone touches something extremely hot...yet *hot* itself is ultimately a subjective experience. So the line between subjective and objective is not as clear as some would have us believe. I think that at the end of the day I can neither accept the idea of an *absolute* subjectivity or objectivity but rather feel that reality is always a precarious blend of both...even though we may not like that idea. It isn't *neat*. It leaves a lot hanging in the balance, just as life itself.

Nevertheless it has been my habit to strive for as nearly an objective reality as I could logically manage and when we are building around systems that are in themselves *logically tight*, we have a pretty good chance of achieving a very high degree of logical tightness in our conclusions and our assertions. I work around demonstrable geometries and mathematical matrices that can be determined to be true or false, right or wrong at every pass. This makes it possible for me to know when a field has been constructed logically correctly or incorrectly in all cases and this difference of logic is one of the things that makes this system so damn remarkable I think. Yet even the strongest logic contains an element of subjectivity. Knowing that gives us a kind of *margin of mystery* in everything we might try to do. When I was younger I resisted that with a great intensity...I didn't want there to be any room for *slippage* as I called it in those days. As I have matured, I have come to quite enjoy that margin of error and think upon it now as a kind of peripheral vision and is, in many ways, the place from which all real magick derives.

But we do not effectively harness it by casting discipline to the wind. There must always be a balance maintained between the known and the unknown, the rational and the irrational. It is a well known fact of life with music that the better you know the rules and can adhere to them, the more expertly you can bend and even break them. It is much the same with so-called magick I think, yet what we often find is that the conventional *rules* are defunct in themselves and therefor cannot hold up their end of the bargain. This system goes a very long way towards correcting that kind of problem.

So it may very well be true as you say, that there are no masters who can really help me very much. But this is always the case with pioneering in general. It never stopped the Wright Brothers and it won't stop me either. All conceptual pioneers understand that their end product, whatever it may be, will have to sink or swim on its own intrinsic merits. That's just the price you pay for running ahead of the curve. But what this means for others is that you don't have to wait on any *masters* to give you permission one way or the next. Look to the numbers, if you dare to be so bold, and run these things through your own logical lenses. If you cannot really fault them conclusively, they may be every bit as *amazing* as they appear.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Really quickly I'd like to add this diagram with overlays the Lakota traditional medicine wheel colors on the cross section there. Now that I look at it I wanted to switch the yellow and white but I'm not sure that would be correct. This pretty much makes the yin side monochromatic....which is, interesting.

Also I wanted to mention that when I'm casting out in that 3D model (like in a theatre or when I'm driving and someone cuts me off) I use my right hand to push and my left hand to pull energy. Perhaps I am thinking wrongly thus far and I am supposed using my entire left or right sides of my body instead. If I correct my thinking maybe I can cause even more mayhem...

It's a great image and I interpreted it liberally according to my current belief structure, hope you don't mind...this stuff is better than Crowley (at least his boring, dry or lip servicing parts)

Alright then, can I ask what is with the repeating pattern inside the innermost triangle, besides looking like little radioactive symbols? Oh nevermind, I see you already answered that.

Thank you M1thr0s. THis is a lot to absorb as you write in a stream of consciousness style, which is dense reading. Wowie.

[Naomi]

(image lost) :\

[m1thr0s]

I love those colors Naomi...I may clean this one up at some point just to see it all nice and shiny...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Ok I've been revisiting this for a while now, trying to grasp the gist of what is going on here. As I've been viewing it my subconscious has been producing a lot of new and interesting ideas. A particular recurring one that hit me the night after I first started really paying attention to this recently is the yin and yang, specifically the yin and yang depicted as the dragon and the phoenix or the dragon and the tiger. I havn't bothered checking what the traditional history or reasoning behind the two alternates is.

Consistently recurring thoughts are that the dragon and phoenix is correct and that the tiger is a descendant of both, hence the version of the taijitu with three sections instead of merely two. No rhyme or reason to my thoughts, just simply recurring ones and perhaps wrong. But yeah. Dragon and Phoenix.

Maybe I'll play around with the image artistically and see if I can't express this more fluidly. I'm interested in seeing what other symbols will fit on this.

Look at those nice crescents in there, btw...pretty freaking sweet if you ask me....

[Kuroyagi]

Now this..I did not understand all at the first read! lol, but my consciousness feels like the tip of an iceberg here.

This arrangement seems to be some sort of universal solvent.all this is very powerful, just the other day when I started the twin star a bit, one of the first things I recognized was what a powerful weapon it could be. (I wont write details, or to be honest I wrote some here but erased them; its somehow inappropriate I feel). Im not a belligerent fellow at all, but this comes as no surprise, as I'm aware of the sides of myself that I dont want to overemphasize normally, for a good reason; the emergence of it is due to the fact that this here is so geometric and "equal". But be that as it may, its helping me to new insights.

oooooh you guys are darkk..lol ;)...anyway, Paracelsus would have flipped out if he had seen this..

p.s.7edit I browsed some replies on the first page and m1thr0s already referred to the alkahest there. I am very glad that I have the confirmation of my suspicion cause that means that I understood some of it- though its very obvious actually- one only need to look at the bagua and their place on the triangle.

[m1thr0s]

This arrangement seems to be some sort of universal solvent.I believe this to be the case, yes...and I wouldn't make that kind of claim lightly.
all this is very powerful, just the other day when I started the twin star a bit, one of the first things I recognized was what a powerful weapon it could be.not just a weapon, but an extremely intelligent weapon and this makes it even more dangerous than anyone might suppose. The thing has a consciousness all its own. All symbolic archetypes share this characteristic to some extent but most are simply too generic to amount to everything required in a pinch...depending on just how much is at stake. The pentagram for instance can easily be identified to the body of Man but does not necessarily extend any further than this. Just as Abrahadabra is called a glyph of the Great Work in Completion, the TwinStar is a glyph of the Magus in Completion. So it's tapping a higher genius than the Pentagram alone. Most of these things can't really be fully grasped without a fair amount of personal testing. You can make the claims but it's mostly just a bunch of words until you really set about to put these things through their paces, both logical and physical...

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

K: Your feeling about this being a universal solvent is right on the money, as far as my experience with it has shown. I'm still very much a novice with this system, but I feel comfortable enough to say this about it:

nothing I have ever worked with has ever been so directly plugged into 93 (real true will not all the doctrinal bs) as this work. In a very positive, if painful way, it has torn asunder every illusion about myself I had built up in several years of occult practice; that old saying pull the wool over your own eyes is a complete sham here. My use of the abra formula has stripped so much away from me, but left me much much much closer to the *true* me,

I am lightyears behind what m1 and these guys are doing with this, but in my own work it has been the truest expression of WILL I have ever encountered. It burns, but it is liberatory.

[Kuroyagi]

Thanks frater, I think one cool thing about this here is that though- as a novice- one may be "lightyears" behind on a structural understanding of the system one still can make trailblazing discoveries not unearthed by others, right from the beginning simply cause there are so many possibilities with it, also depending on your background and previous knowledge. I for example know that I wouldnt even want to "try out" on another human being some of the weapons-aspects of the non-grounded, fusioned twinstar, though Im pretty sure that theyd work (I named this aspect of it: The Torque.) . yet it would do the system no justice to reduce it to a weapon either, its intrinsically recombinable to an extent that rebounds back on the practitioner, meaning the system asks the practitioner in return: if you arent worthy of wielding me than you better fuck off. It appeals to his responsibility as some sort of a God!(or magus or whatever you want to call it), and thereby can even tutor you in becoming fit for it. one has to be very very careful with this.

[Naomi]

Ah yes -

"But it is a dangerous tool, especially as it represents the flaming sword that drove Man out of Eden. [...] The devils also believe, and tremble - worse than useless unless you have it by the hilt."

- Crowley

Great discussion, I'm enjoying it.

[Kuroyagi]

yeah! :laugh: and this is "the flamming sword that will drive God out of Eden."

[Naomi]

yeah! :laugh: and this is "the flamming sword that will drive God out of Eden."

Delightful! I love mutational quotes. :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

of course, an elephant gun alone won't bag you any elephants...

beats the hell out of a bb-gun though...

note: the behind vs ahead thing may be a bit overworked. There is some truth to this I will grant but it is perhaps even more telling that an intrinsically powerful tool is still a powerful tool even in the hands of novices. There are also many aspects of this whole thing that are powerful from the moment of recognition, without requiring an encyclopedic grasp of every little nook and cranny. These are motivating elements that allow for a strong start and a fast development, relative to many other more arduous "uphill" kinds of tools and disciplines. There is a lot of freedom to explore whatever comes most naturally as well. It seems as though the more accurate the physics, the more lattitude it tends to yield in terms of personal customization...

there remain certain risks to this, but the thing tends to be self-correcting in a very big way...

thus it is said..."perseverance furthers"

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

So true, so wise....

We need shooting lessons and stalking prowess....

[Kuroyagi]

So true, so wise....

as a genuine master of the "western" tradition hed better be. :elephant:--> :laugh: ("elephant" gun, makes te elephant dance- lol)

[m1thr0s]

just a messenger really...and a student like many others...many things I have learned...some things still elude me...
at another time & place I may discuss the Way of Death to some extent. For the moment I think it would not be very much understood.
Certain Warrior Classes have understood it of course. No one, I think, has wholly mastered it yet.

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

Really? Thats interesting about the "way of death"- if you wrote anything about it I should look forward to reading it.

But when I say master then it doesnt mean that such a master is no egoic human being or infallible; any aloof demeanour is counter productive to learning and communication in its widest sense, anyway. But a master is more a "professional".

I like professionals more than geeks. geeks are so awed by their own knowledge that they see the need to protect it and show it off in long tedious explanations the "customer/student" isnt interested in (maybe for the simple reason that hes a pro in another field himself or has different interests, or even because he knows them already!) and sometimes forget about the bigger picture or interesting alternatives. a pro does whats necessary in respect to the solution of a problem and if asked- he will give concise explanations: and: he wont make undue suppositions about others and never stops to learn.

[m1thr0s]

thanks K...this whole thing ultimately requires a concerted effort on the part of many good minds...certainly not just one and not even just a handful. No one, I think, is more aware of that than myself so I go to great lengths to dispell the teacher-student game as much as possible. For whatever time is left to me in this cycle I will probably just keep slamming out bells until they all start to ring in unison. There are many bells and after many years I cannot always be sure which sequence will prove the most resounding. Pound on all of them I guess and see...

The Way of Death is a complex discussion but it happens that the brighter of the Inner Alchemists as well as Qabbalists and many of our Eastern brethren came at length to the realization that a goal-orientation aimed at achieving some sort of godlike stature in Life was not actually the most efficient way to maximize our odds of success in the bigger picture. So we begin to see the conversation swing in the direction of defeating Death at its 2nd House...or sometimes just referred to as the 2nd Death. This is a very ancient dialogue...I don't know exactly where it begins, but it comprises the Innermost Secret Doctrine behind many of the Mystery Schools themselves.

And this is not to say that we might not wind up nailing the whole kit-n-kaboodle at some point in route but as a matter of practical considerations, life being such a ridiculously brief span for any of us, a philosophical position emerges through many cultures aimed at this whole idea of arresting (or otherwise defeating) this so-called 2nd Death. The idea basically is that this is our most efficient target...that when our focus is placed here, we seem to be able to cut through the crap with a significantly improved odds. Perhaps it is simply that we give up the pie-in-the-sky mentality and are then free to commit everything to the aquisition of pure principle unencumbered by any of that.

So that's sort of the outline of where that is all going. I bring it up I think because it has something to do with the mental *asana* required to nail this sucker solid. That's really what it's all about...maximizing the odds themselves in our favor...no sordid love-of-death crap or anything useless like that...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

yes i see: the main focus should be to get a leverage on death at a basic structural level instead of "mere" immortality that is subjected to it still. of course one has to take what one gets away with when the "time" comes- for the time being: be it prolonged life or to live (for a time) in ones system or poetry still (Socrates->Platon), but it shouldnt be the goal. Is this what you are talking about? Are there any explicit references for it? Inspired by you I'll look into Pythagoras next, I think!

(An interesting thread would be about the "communication" with past masters.
I think that one communicates with all those who one studies indepth, anyway. Its really helpful to have read all of the works of at least one past scholar completely, cause its a great experience (be it Crowley or Nietzsche as in my case or who ever): cause then one notices how the person really comes to live, one somehow acquires a deeper understanding that is nearly intuitive in nature, e.g. meaning that one exactly knows what could have been written by him etc...(this only as an aside). But many philosophers have hinted at it also- though most of them have done so in a pseudo tongue in cheek way cause they didnt want to seem too irrespectible, or have clouded it with the excuse of artistic freedom...)


...no sordid love-of-death crap or anything useless like that...


:laugh: yes- between ourselves- I thought so too; but people come up with lots of stuff when life seems long..

[m1thr0s]

yes i see: the main focus should be to get a leverage on death at a basic structural level instead of "mere" immortality that is subjected to it still. of course one has to take what one gets away with when the "time" comes- for the time being: be it prolonged life or to live (for a time) in ones system or poetry still (Socrates->Platon), but it shouldnt be the goal. Is this what you are talking about? Are there any explicit references for it? Inspired by you I'll look into Pythagoras next, I think! Right...that's basically it...it's got a lot of layers though. Immortality is just a word...Death is certain. Immortality very probably is possible...but the "elephant" is Death. Understanding its mechanism...it's hold on life...is the key to managing its properties. And if Death is finally managed, well, we would have bought good time from there to sort out the rest...

The glamour bits are fun and all of that...there's plenty of play in all of this. But the target itself is serious business..."dark" business as you have indicated.

References come and go on this...I haven't tracked it with meticulous care. There have also been many errors made in this vein...judgement crap and salvation crap and all manner of imagined bail-out routines...all banking against the 2nd Death with imaginative projections of what will come to pass. Alchemy doesn't very much care what will be...it's only really interested in what is. It has its predictions of course but these tend to be rooted in the physical.

Anyway...little detour. I'll come back to this another time perhaps. I'm not altogether sure how much it matters to others. It makes up a large part of my own system of framing things...prioritizing and so on...weighing things against what is known...known attributes and characteristics of Death etc... Death is a stopping mechanism for instance...it shuts things down. From a physics standpoint then the question is an academic one...how do we prevent things from being shut down? Is this even possible? Can a being sustain not being shut down? How does that work? Are there any known precedents to this?

Trigrammal Field Theory predicts the possibility of Perpetual Mind, that is able to go into "rest" modes" but never actually requires Death...is able to remain Conscious on all levels at all times etc...if we have even a working model of something that might not require Death, we may have a means of building a defensive weaponry against it. It's got to hold up of course...it's got to pan out on all these different levels...but if the enginery prevails, we can use it. Trigramal Field Theory presents us with a working model of a Perpetual Motion Machine that can fit the Mind like a glove. Being able to speak in this language and think in these terms is all that is required for Mind to afford a perfect merger. I refer to this as a *scales of light* mechanism that trains the autonomic nervous system itself to cruise within these parameters, like a musician who plays in lieu of musical scales...if the system is sound it can go basically anywhere at all.

The tantrics aspire to this as well but they stopped developing their systems at some point in time...the whole thing became a sacred cow long before it was finished...Death strikes again...always contingent on this whole business of stopping...

Anyway...another topic for another day...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Have you considered podcasting...?

[m1thr0s]

is that some sort of farming procedure? You guys and you're techy talk...Xst, I'm still trying to sort out how to use my damn keyboard...
I'm up to 2 fingers per hand plus thumbs but my thumbs keep hitting stuff I didn't know was there and then I get all stuck and sh*t...aaarrrggghhh...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Maybe you need a secretary.

Amrita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrita)

[Kuroyagi]

nectar also means to overcome death. yes, sure thing. one of the first steps could be to look for whats out there and with what one sympathizes- and then declare oneself as such. its a good practice...

Anyway...little detour. I'll come back to this another time perhaps. I'm not altogether sure how much it matters to others. It makes up a large part of my own system of framing things...prioritizing and so on...weighing things against what is known...known attributes and characteristics of Death etc...
It actually matters very much to me- more than I had realized. I will revisit (the first page of) this thread oftentimes again.

About the "dark": its true that there are things that nearly nobody even sees- as the Schopenhauer quote says- and for those few who do, its nearly impossible not to give in to a certain fear; the positive sides of "death" are very alluring. maybe Im starting to become crazy but recently even all the talk about furthering "life" has accquired the taste of propaganda. it is the balancing influence of this system that enables such a view which wont be comprehended by many others (other persons I mean). have you looked into the scientific/philosophical etc. concepts of time? i wanted to do that for some "time" but havent found the T. for it yet...

Anyway, before I'll come back to this thread- that seems to be a heavy hitter- I should like to look into some others, too.

Theres really some great stuff here and Im glad that I have the opportunity to use it and think about it!

[m1thr0s]

Death-Hunters...lol. Not a religion or anything exactly...more like a methodology...possibly even a meta-methodology in its own right since that's pretty much how it operates in real application.

It's kind of an elite squad actually...there's not too many that are dangerous enough to be taken seriously...you gotta be heavily armed for this work or it's fairly pointless, or rather, you're just not getting the point...

There's an outside chance that Christ was one of these. It's really hard to say for sure but the myth meets all the classical parameters. There are others as well. Whenever you hear about somebody that died and then came back to wrap things up in some way you've got a potential candidate...also those that die only exactly when they say they will and not before...there's a few out there at least...

But this is a discussion requiring wine and things...it falls off badly in casual conversation...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

:no: :laugh: ....damn, do you have a name for everything? well thanks again for hinting me at it, if Christ was one of them then its unfortunate that we only have that queer "IAO" story peppered with a couple of "outer temple" teachings of a general hermetic-stoic nature and not more concrete things...yes youre right, maybe this discussion doesnt fit the format, it would be better doing it face à face with some wine cause you certainly wouldnt want to miss my reactions when youre telling me those things!, the emoticons arent doing it justice, and Dionysos knows some stuff about it too, especially if he brings along Pan. ;)

[MythMath]

Listen guys, please record that evening... ;)

[Kuroyagi]

hey you should come along too and record it! :) (and buy me a couple of drinks. :p)

[m1thr0s]

lol...I thought that would cause a panic...

"chunking" is sort of what I do, so coining things is often very easy, yes...

well the good news is that the who's who list is actually pretty irrelevant...mostly myth anyway.
it's only very interesting what bits of the myth itself retain a certain integrity over time (and why)...

m1thr0s