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Amur
08-29-2006, 10:54 AM
Generally it feels like there is an embedded 2-dimensional geometrical aspect within the mind which is hardwired into the brain in some-sense. At the point of writing it feels almost like I could communicate and transmit with 2-dimensional regular geometrical images alone, as it comes so naturally. This only indicates that there is a vast potential hidden within geometry alone. As far as I've come I haven't yet found a negative effect of looking at self-similar geometrics.

If looking at geometrical self-similar forms, we can easily give the point(s) numerical values from 0(void) up to OO(circle).

0->void, 1->point, 2->line, 3->triangle, 4->square, 5->pentagon, 6->hexagon, 7->heptagon, 8->octagon, 9->enneagon, 10->decagon and so on. It is easily noticable that the self-similar form becomes very quickly something which resembles a circle. If we take a 20-pointed icosagon it's quite near to a circular shape already. The circle naturally has the biggest area, from where it is easy to conclude that every self-similar shape can exist within the circle.

They all seem to have more or less their own attribute to them. The next builds upon the previous ones with 1,2 and 3 being quite crucial. Unfortunately I don't know much about the area yet.

A line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line) between 2 points(A, B) is always the shortest distance possible between those 2 points.

An equilateral triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle) between 3 equally distanced points(A, B, C) is the hardest structure which exists. The angles in the triangle round up so that from wherever an impact comes it is always supported by the 2 other points. Perhaps this has some correlance with the Tetragons appliance to the element of Fire. The triangle is a representation correllation between 1 point related to a Line(2 points).

The square (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_(geometry)) is the first 2D representation of a line-field. I don't know much properties about the square, other than living inside too 'squarish' houses makes one a square head *grin*. Perhaps even the building geometries affect peoples consciousness. Though a pure square for me is a symbol for cleanliness/tidyness/order. Another viewpoint could be the 4-directions. When constructing a sphere with 2 circles, the point where the circles meet has 4 directions to follow.

The pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon) has some peculiar properties. When connecting the points with each other through lines it gives the perfect representation of the value phi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio). Which is considered to be one of the pattern which nature readily follows. In many ancient aspects, phi was considered to be the seat of Beauty itself. Here's the pentagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram).

The Hexagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagon) has 120 degree angles between the points and saves space in relativity to it's strength. It is generally used by bee-hives as it has superior size/strength and heat properties(if I remember correctly). hexagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram) is generally 2 polar equilateral triangles on top of each other. One could say that it is a defense against both Heaven and Hell.

The Heptagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptagon) I don't know much about more than that the number 7 has had alot of mystic and magickal meanings attached to it. The heptagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptagram) has been used to go with the number 7 in all the mystical meanings. If I remember correctly there's alot of seven mystery in the bible. Following the lines of an obtuse heptagram makes me confused atleast. Just doesn't make sense lol.

The Octagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octagon) corresponding to the number 8. One can get the points of the octagon by putting 2 squares on top of each other with one turned half the side distance to either way.

The Enneagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagon)

The Decagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decagon)

The Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle) has many symbolisms attached to it, whereas most of them have attached the circle to infinity itself as it has no beginning nor end. It is equal into all directions and it is said to be a representation of Justice also. Anything travelling towards the circle has the same feedback from the circle regardless from which direction it comes. Naturally a fully mathematical infinite-sided polygon(circle) is impossible in this world as it will always come down to some resolution. It might be interesting to note that all the planets and stars are something which resembles a circle. Gravity itself acts through a circular principle, pulling on every point in a likewise force at the circle.

I'll continue this later when more information has come and time gives away for it.

m1thr0s
08-29-2006, 03:21 PM
Amur: This is a fascinating topic, but I need to move it since it is important to reserve the Abrahadabra forum for topics immediately related to the formula of Abrahadabra in some way. I believe this topic addresses Sacred Geometry in a more general sort of way. Unfortunately we don't yet have a forum specifically dedicated to Sacred Geometry (something that probably needs to be fixed). For the moment I am going to relocate it to Meditation & Yoga.

m1thr0s

Kain
08-29-2006, 06:54 PM
Indeed, very interesting topic Amur! I very much identify with a lot of the views you portray here...

Kain

Amur
08-30-2006, 11:03 AM
Thanks for moving it. I was pendling between Mortar & Pestle and Abrahadabra forum. My symbolical linking thought that as geometry is the foundation for everything it might as well be the building stone of abrahadabra, nevermind, the linking can be quite weird at times...

If you've got specialities of your own regarding Geometry then do not hesitate to come forward. Going to attribute what I've got to give about Geometry, it's no where near ready yet as I haven't really professionally started yet. I do however believe that it is possible to change entire brain-patternings by geometry alone, which would make it a very powerful device in transmuting.

If you've got a sphere(ball) of somekind try meditating on it with your tactile senses. Close the eyes and just feel it around until you've got somekind of comprehension of the form. The same thing is quite interesting to do with a circle also. It might also be interesting to notice the different or same way the right and left hand maps the object.

Amur
10-10-2006, 03:39 AM
This is something for all you ToL freaks out there :D

When you use ToL, make every circle/sphere a source of itself. Which means, that connect it to Infinity itself and make it spur out the corresponding Sephiroth. Which means that you will have Infinity of Mercy, Infinity of Severeity, Infinity of Beauty and so on and so on. Try it out.

oak
10-10-2006, 07:36 PM
that first post reminded me of a little thing i once stored to the "may be useful but don't know how" file. namely these objects related to the equilateral triangle, n-dimensional simplex (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Simplex.html)es.

here's a picture from that link:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/SimplexGraphs_801.gif

it shows the two-dimensional projections of 2D - 7D simplexes(hypertetrahedrons) when they are at a certain angle relative to the plane. the red dots are all of its corners.


also here is a link to a neat little animation of a spinning 4-dimensional one, called the pentatope (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pentatope.html).

well.. can't think of anything more to say.

m1thr0s
10-10-2006, 08:24 PM
that's a fun site oak...I could get lost in that stuff for days...

m1thr0s

Kain
10-11-2006, 06:16 AM
Awesome link oak, thanks a LOT for sharing that! That's very interesting stuff...

Kain

Amur
10-11-2006, 08:15 AM
Thank you for the link Oak... Looking very much forward to beginning some serious OpenGL programming along with exploring the interconnectedness of 4-dimensional platonic solids. Somehow I think I get it but yet it's quite hard to fit it into this head. The whole 4-dimensionality reminds me of the 'recursive' connectedness insanity that I've been going through for the last 3 years. A pattern clicks outside, which appears to be inside, which again happens and manifests as a song I hear on the radio, which again appears to click into my own life, and then I change the piece and heal it and something again happens and people around seem to shift oddly and so on. A.k.a India psychedelia :D

Brings to mind the thing that "When you remove the log from your own head, you see how the other guy looks like".

oak
10-12-2006, 08:46 AM
Thank you for the link Oak... Looking very much forward to beginning some serious OpenGL programming along with exploring the interconnectedness of 4-dimensional platonic solids. Somehow I think I get it but yet it's quite hard to fit it into this head.
yea its annoying that it's probably impossible to visualize 4d-space, it can be understood theoretically so that it is the space defined by four mutually "perpendicular" 3d-spaces (hehe), like 3d-space is defined by three mutually perpendicular 2d-planes. as far as i know computers shouldn't have any troubles dealing with 4d and up objects with the correct equations, and feeding their 3d projections to the opengl layer, sounds interesting.


also here is a link to a neat little animation of a spinning 4-dimensional one, called the [utrl=http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pentatope.html]pentatope[/url].
it did feel like i was missing something when i posted, an interesting thing i noticed playing around with that animation ( you can stop its wobbling about with a double click of the right mouse button and spin the resulting object around holding down the left ). if you manage to stop it so that four of the corners are on roughly the same plane, the resulting object is close to a pyramid. and if it was better(or more complete/complex) animation, it would be possible to stop it so that it would be a perfect pyramid with equilateral triangles as its sides, as seen here (http://www.twistet.com/ticktock/pentatope.html). (top left pic, click and hold to spin it around)

i remember someone mentioning before that the pentagram is actually a pyramid drawn in perspective, the direction of the flow of "energy" being from the bottom of the pyramid to the top, inverted pentagram signaling downward flow, and vice versa. but that would be one skewed pyramid, the connection i mentioned above would be way more neat and tidy. ;)

MythMath
10-12-2006, 10:07 AM
i remember someone mentioning before that the pentagram is actually a
pyramid drawn in perspective, the direction of the flow of "energy" being
from the bottom of the pyramid to the top, inverted pentagram signaling
downward flow, and vice versa...
We were looking at something similarly related recently:

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=380

Down toward the bottom of the thread...

Kain
10-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Looking very much forward to beginning some serious OpenGL programming along with exploring the interconnectedness of 4-dimensional platonic solids. OpenGL is a truly great language and I must admit I am equally looking forward to learning it and working with it...there is great potential to it from a "magickal image"-making perspective, that is for sure.

Kain