What's with all this 2012 crap, anyway?

[Wolfman]

Geez, all this talk lately of the world coming to an end in 2012. Pretty depressing stuff.

What do you all think, magically, about this situation?

Wolfman

[m1thr0s]

several powerful calendars and/or timeline projections seem to be converging on this date...

the world *comes to an end* all the time, based on major advances in knowledge and in other circumstances major environmental or social upheavals.

doesn't necessarily mean everything dies...sometimes it just means everything changes with so much force as to make it impossible to go back to how things were...

2012 marks exact vertical in evolutionary curve projections...plus or minus some margin of error I don't know how they calculate. Terrence McKenna dealt with this in his writings as did Leary and Lilly and that whole bunch before him. It's a fairly simple concept...they plot major advances in human knowledge along the magnitude of the discovery of fire through the various ages up to the information age and mark a point every time one of these occurs on a timeline. They discovered that the distance is getting shorter and shorter between these events until finally you hit vertical on the bell curve. When that happens they estimate a major breakthrough in human knowledge along the magnitude of the harnessing of the atom is occurring only milliseconds apart. Assuming it doesn't just stop in its tracks, this means that a global phenomena must be occurring at that point that is very difficult to visualize. Calling it the *end of the world* is one way to paraphrase it but doesn't tell us what is actually occurring.

m1

[deviadah]

I was certain there was a 2012 thread... then when I searched I didn't find one... strange since it comes up again and again - for various reasons.

Calling it the *end of the world* is one way to paraphrase it but doesn't tell us what is actually occurring...

Let's call 2012 a Paradigm Shift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift)!

:cool:

Some Resources:
All About 2012 (http://www.greatdreams.com/2012.htm)
Demcember 21, 2012 (http://www.december212012.com/)
2012: Dire Gnosis (http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/)
Survive 2012 (http://www.survive2012.com/)
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/2012_logo_white_385x450.jpg (http://www.london2012.com/)

[Darin Hamel]

I don't know about magickally, but it seems to be Y2K and the Rapture all rolled into one for the New Agers. In my opinion t will come and go with nothing happening and then the New Agers will all say something DID HAPPEN but we just wont notice for years or something like that.

[deviadah]

2012 (2009)

Director:Roland Emmerich

Release Date: 10 July 2009 (USA)

Plot: With the Mayan calendar ending in 2012, a large group of people must deal with natural disasters such as volcanic eruptions, typhoons and glaciers. - source (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/)

:eek:

[homoveritas]

Anyone fancy a game of 'Spot the Occult Symbolism'?

YouTube - Title video for London 2012 Olympic Games handover show

No fewer than 10 occult symbols for entry into the game!

I'll start you off with 2012 reading as ZION...

[Ritual_Kiss]

Someone at school saw me wearing my star necklace and "had to ask" what was going to happen 2012. I said I don't know, but it looks like a continuation of an old archetype. Death happens on all levels of existence everyday. Maybe it's just end of the world symbolism that's supposed to represent that. However, if nothing happens, no apocalypse, no cosmic shift, no enlightenment or whatever, because people are applying significance to the date I think it will become a subconscious means to change their own lives. In other words, it has symbolic value because it is given value.

[Anibis]

It has symbolic value because it is given value, yes, but it also has a massive and consistant mathematical apparatus which lends it it's inertia. I mean Y2K was a big trip and all and people gave it more value than it had, but it is nothing like the momentum that the Mayan Calendar end-date has... Y2K was just millenial fear/hopes. The 2012 date has been undergoing mytho-emotional charge for several thousand years, it would seem. People started working with the Long count at the very least during the AD 800's, and so the cycle's end has been focused on since then. Not to mention that the system is such that it projects many many thousands of years before that, so that at the very least the 2012 date is the end of a 5200 year cycle. Don't you think that that much charge, plus a mathematical matrix to support it, is at the very least extraordinary, and worth of consideration? Imagine if you considered this date to be the equivalent of the 'firing' of a huge, composite sigil? Put things in perspective? Y2K was just a localized fart in comparison to this... don't doubt it...
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[Anibis]

I have pruned this thread because it has veered into the realm of insult and rudeness. There was some material worth salvaging, though, namely sethur's criticism of the Mckenna/Leary projections re: 2012

the exact vertical line stuff (McKenna's prediction about new scientific discoveries, championed by Leary etc) is highly subjective and demonstrably wrong, since the ability or desire of manufacturing industry to create products from new discoveries is dependent on economics - this is why the fax machine didn't get mass produced until the 1980s although the necessary technology was already around by 1975 - the people making photocopiers wanted to saturate that market before going on to something different.

Also the contention that the Maya as a whole have disowned the Mayan Calendar, which is in dispute here. I apologize for perhaps butchering the original import of these criticisms, but we need to deal with ideas, and we need to substantiate them properly without direct or indirect attacks on other user's persons. Feel free to rebuild the 'lost' argument, bearing in mind that nobody needs to be insulted or belittled in this discussion. Thanks.
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[Anibis]

I guess the question arises regarding the above of whether the appearance of new technologies, graphed as I understand it on an scale of exponential growth that approaches infinity on the 2012 date, refers to the capability of producing those technologies, or the introduction of their use in society on a massive scale. I don't know. The 'Timewave Zero' thing is not something I have personally studied, and only know that it apparently reached the 2012 date independently of knowledge of the Mayan Calendar end-date. I approach the issue from the angle that if a sufficiently sophisticated world view, symbolic apparatus, or collection of worldviews/apparati all focus on a single point in a context where individuals who believe or track said apparati/worldview have access to largescale information technologies such as say, the Internet, then SOMETHING is bound to happen to instantiate these worldviews/apparati. Put simply: a Myth, supported by Math, followed by People, brings into being Events that resonate with said Myth. Look at any religion, and you will find that this is the underlying pattern. Of course the strength and clarity of the Math go a long way towards influencing the nature of the resulting manifestations of said Myth.
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[MythMath]

hulu.com movie-trailer 2012 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/44665/movie-trailers-2012)

http://2012news.com/2012_images/2012_doomsday_movie.jpg

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

Looks like a fun one MM.

[m1thr0s]

I don't know - it's been pretty much universally hailed as one of the worst movies ever produced...way heavy on the christian *doomsday* thing apparently and not at all related to actual Mayan predictions which are a great deal more upbeat and positive...not so much a *doomsday* scenario as one of cosmic *union* of some kind...

but I haven't seen it...probably a good laugh at least.

m1

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

I was only refering to entertainment value. I don't expect anyone to actually get it right. Looks well produced.

[m1thr0s]

Asylum Films...not too familiar with their stuff....

[MythMath]

Apparently Asylum Films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Asylum) is a consistent schlock factory, churning out b-grade
horror flicks and other products that bear overt similarities to better films...

Case in point:

2012 Doomsday (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Doomsday&action=edit&redlink=1) - Released on 2008-2-12, more than one month prior to the US theatrical
release of 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_%28film%29), an upcoming disaster movie from director Roland Emmerich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Emmerich).
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I made the mistake of posting the image from the Doomsday movie
with the trailer from the Emmerich movie starring John Cusack...

[m1thr0s]

uhhhh...I guess I'm confused here...are there two of these movies?

I didn't get why Hulu says: In theaters July 10, 2009, when this movie has apparently been out since early, 2008...

m1

[MythMath]

2012 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/) (Emmerich/Cusack Flick)


2012 Doomsday (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132130/)(Worst Movie Ever)



:p

[AfterViewer]

Hello All, Have'nt seen the 2012 movies. AfterViewer out.

[AfterViewer]

Come to think of it I did rent the movie 2012 Doomsday. My wife and I watched it. Low budget flick with killer talking vines that end up killing off the whole cast except for one of the babes, who makes a run for it and gets away. MythMath is correct. It sucked. Mayan pyramid backdrop. AfterViewer out.

[m1thr0s]

I see ( I think)...the 2008 version was produced by some company called *Faith Films*.
That explains the reviews I think. It's good to know that John Cusack - one of my all time favorite writers/actors - would not lend his name to such superficial squalor...

m1