SGI Buddhists

[tezrian]

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone on this forum has encountered Nicherin SGI (Soka Gakkai International) Buddhists? Unfortunately, I involved myself with them some time ago because my mother-in-law is a Nicherin Buddhist and a member of this organization. I call them the "Mormons of Buddhism." Why? Because they prosthelitize like hell! They won't leave me alone. I get numerous phone calls, and visits to my house on a regular basis, without them notifying me in ANY way that they are coming. Last year, when I was in the hospital, I had one of them come visit me and try to get me to chant with them. It is insane. I know that other forms of Buddhism do not do this. If anyone wants to know about their practice, I will explain a little bit.

Morning and evening, they do "gongyo" which is where they chant "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo" and portions of the Lotus Sutra to what is called the Gohonzon. The Gohonzon is a little scroll with Chinese characters on it, supposedly originating from Nicherin Daishonin himself in the 12th or 13th century. They have this fanatical belief about your "life condition" and how it must be a certain way. I have no problem with their beliefs but I DO have a problem with their constant berage of people bothering me. I am obviously NOT a Buddhist, as I am a Demonolatress for over seven years.

It's hard to call them off because I am a really quiet, private person. And my mother-in-law is very sensitive to rejection of any kind. I want to tell her to get them to leave me alone but I'm afraid of hurting her feelings. I want nothing to do with these people. They think I've converted to Christianity because they gave me a stupid article about Buddhism and Christianity. Little do they know that I worship Satan and Demons. LOL! I'd like to shove it up their butt.

Anyway, just thought I'd make a post so others can be warned of these people.

Tezrian

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I've had dealings with these weirdos. I call them the "ring-rang-no-home-come-soon"s...lol...they go on and on with that crap all day...all nite...till they finally drop dead from pure stupidity at long last. These people never learned how to leave a message after the beep...they just keep calling and calling and calling...

I lived in an apartment once where my upstairs neighbor unwittingly let them in one day. Within a week it seemed like a whole nation of these twits were crammed into her little apartment going off like a herd of gerbals...Went on for months until she finally moved out...

Other than a shotgun blast to the head, I don't think there is any way to get through to them. They are one of the most brainwashed group of folks I ever interacted with, making frothing christian fundamentalists come off like sophisticated and socially sensitive individuals in comparison...

m1thr0s

[tezrian]

Oh thank Demons someone understands what I'm talking about! I feel like I'm never going to get them off of my back. They are so annoying with their worship of that freaky leader, Daisaku Ikeda. It's like HE is their god. I will have to have a nice chat with my mother-in-law and see if that helps out. I know she's wondering what religion I could possibly be because I'm definitely not Buddhist or Christian. My parents know about my practice of Demonolatry and although my mom kids me about it a bit, it's no big deal. My dad thinks it's cool. But my mother-in-law was raised a Catholic so I don't think she'd be able to comprehend my belief system very well. Yeek. Well, I hope all goes good with this crap! :)

Tezrian

[Amur]

You should check Monthy Python's holy grail at the part where there are the monks chanting and hitting themselves in the head with a board(10 commandments?). After that categorize them into the same category and you shouldn't have a problem with the whole issue anymore :D

[Kain]

You should check Monthy Python's holy grail at the part where there are the monks chanting and hitting themselves in the head with a board(10 commandments?). After that categorize them into the same category and you shouldn't have a problem with the whole issue anymore :DLol...I always though it was a very thick Bible, although perhaps I'm wrong...hehe...

Kain

[Zaii]

TLittle do they know that I worship Satan and Demons. LOL! I'd like to shove it up their butt.

Shove it up their butt...eh?

[Amur]

Lol...I always though it was a very thick Bible, although perhaps I'm wrong...hehe...


Brings a fitting meaning to the term "Bible Thumper" then...

Seems like we are dealing with organisations who are either obsolote or from beginning messed up. The creator of the organisation is quite traceable from how the organisation in itself works, a matter of tracing back the mirroring.

Can't wait to get the rage back to destroy some more structures lol. Who's up for Mage Wars? Cheers \o/

[tezrian]

The only reason I ever got involved with those people was really for my mother-in-law, kind of a way of bonding with her. But I realized that their beliefs and mine do not mix, much like an acid and a base. I want to get rid of these people, to get them to stop harassing me. The problem is, I am rather quiet and timid. (Not really Satanic of me, is it?) I just don't want to hurt her feelings and get in a bad relationship with her because she's like a second mother to me. She knows I'm quirky but she has absolutely no idea of my path and I'd really like to keep it that way. If push comes to shove and they keep on bugging me I guess I'll just have to have a nice little chat with her. I know she'd listen - those other people wouldn't listen very well and then they'd give me some BS about my 'life condition' or whatever. Blarg!

Tezrian

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dzogchen buddhism =p
It was the only 'buddhist' service available at my basic training. It was absolutely terrible. How do you turn buddhism into such a joke? I mean, really...?
Though, I certainly wouldn't say that they're as bad as christian fundamentalists.

[m1thr0s]

I expect the Army variety were a little tamer than the usual bunch. That's a very uncommon thing for them to have achieved. A status they will want to protect at all costs. It's a sad day for Buddhism though...these folks are certifiable, they really belong locked up in a rubber room or something...

m1thr0s

[Son of Mr. Gordo]

As much as I try to be open to SGI after researching through it's past history and it's current incarnation, I just can't bring myself to do it. Even after reading the lastest apologist book Encountering the Dharma: Daisaku Ikeda, Soka Gakkai, and the Globalization of Buddhist Humanism (http://www.amazon.com/Encountering-Dharma-Globalization-Buddhist-Humanism/dp/0520245776/sr=1-1/qid=1157514876/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-2489993-0210236?ie=UTF8&s=books), it really seems like a desperate attempt to put a good face on that organization.

Originally it's intentions seemed good. They originally fought for workers in Japan that were being abused by upper management. This movement was led by Josei Toda. From there though, SGI went on a massive campaign called "Kosen Rufu." Forget the fundie Christians when it comes to conversion tactics. "Kosen Rufu" in the past has had members badgering people on the street and sometimes even dragging people into their SGI temples. This is why SGI in Japan is one of the largest "religious" organizations in Japan, and they have tremendous political power. It still happens in Japan and the U.S. today as well as other countries where SGI is prevalent. However, HQ in Japan has recently tried to tone down these militant tactices.

I would like to mention though that SGI is NOT Nichiren Buddhism. In fact the organization called Rissho Kosei-Kai is a solid organization. No priests, just practitioners who want to chant their mantra of Nam Myo Ho Reng Kyo (Actually it's more of a dharani because it doesn't require initiation). And for those with a magickal bent, they use their dharani for mundane purposes as well (you know, chicks, cars, and money.) :)

Overally, Nichiren Shu or Rissho Kosei-Kai are solid Nichiren organizations. SGI though is way off the charts.

SoMG

[m1thr0s]

Any idea what Nam Myo Ho Reng Kyo actually means? From the way they act I would have to guess it means something like I-Want-Give-Me-More-Stuff or something, though I can't imagine it's quite that blatant...

found this via the Urban Dictionary:

1. nam-myoho-renge-kyo

This is a Buddhist chant, and the title of Siddartha's first book. I think it means "the law of the lotus flower" ... or something. Apparently you chant this phrase on a regular basis, and the vibrations that it causes in your body are those that flow through the entire universe. Whatever... If anyone reaches enlightenment, let me know.

"nam-myoho-renge-kyo, nam-myoho-renge-kyo, nam-myoho-renge-kyo, *fifteen hundred times for seven weeks every morning and every evening*" And then wow! Look! My penis is bigger and I have a new car!

rofl...

edit: I guess it doesn't actually mean anything exactly:

nam = devotion
myoho = mystic law
renge = law of cause & effect
kyo = sutra (teaching of the Buddha?)

Interesting though that it's a 4-part phrase (word) of power from an alchemical perspective so it has a certain built-in magnetism just on that basis alone...beyond that this is just self-hypnosis for idiots essentially. I can virtually guarantee that if you chant "Sex - Drugs - Rock n Roll" 1500 times twice/day for seven weeks you'll get something from this as well...

m1thr0s

[Son of Mr. Gordo]

Any idea what Nam Myo Ho Reng Kyo actually means? From the way they act I would have to guess it means something like I-Want-Give-Me-More-Stuff or something, though I can't imagine it's quite that blatant...

found this via the Urban Dictionary:

1. nam-myoho-renge-kyo

This is a Buddhist chant, and the title of Siddartha's first book. I think it means "the law of the lotus flower" ... or something. Apparently you chant this phrase on a regular basis, and the vibrations that it causes in your body are those that flow through the entire universe. Whatever... If anyone reaches enlightenment, let me know.

"nam-myoho-renge-kyo, nam-myoho-renge-kyo, nam-myoho-renge-kyo, *fifteen hundred times for seven weeks every morning and every evening*" And then wow! Look! My penis is bigger and I have a new car!

rofl...

edit: I guess it doesn't actually mean anything exactly:

nam = devotion
myoho = mystic law
renge = law of cause & effect
kyo = sutra (teaching of the Buddha?)

Interesting though that it's a 4-part phrase (word) of power from an alchemical perspective so it has a certain built-in magnetism just on that basis alone...beyond that this is just self-hypnosis for idiots essentially. I can virtually guarantee that if you chant "Sex - Drugs - Rock n Roll" 1500 times twice/day for seven weeks you'll get something from this as well...

m1thr0s

Actually, yes, I do believe one can chant "Sex, Drugs, and Rock N Roll" and still get benefits greater, less than, or equal to ANY mantra/dharani. The use of mantra is to develop to concentration, and concentration is what drives the effectiveness of siddhis/magick. IMHO, I believe this to be true of East and Western tradtions. It's agreed upon in the East since there are Kashmir Saivaites and Tantric Buddhists that can perform magick, yet have completely different philosophical paradigms and different mantras. From this small point, it really doesn't matter what mantra one uses, as long as one has a connection to it.

If one chants "I Love Pepsi" 10,000 times a day, and one has an affinitiy for Pepsi, I would bet that one CAN get chicks, cars, and money. However if one chants "I Love Pepsi", but really has a connection to "Mountain Dew", then that particular mantra wouldn't work. The repetitive use of the mantra will definitely bring one to a state of concentration which can then be used for whatever mundane purposes one wants.

For the Nichiren practitioners who chant nam-myoho-renge-kyo, I'm sure because of their connection to it, it will work for them. However if they try to chant "Namu Amida Butsu," I'm sure it won't do a thing....unless they were a Pure Land Buddhist. And for a Pure Lander to chant YHWH....well, that person would be waiting for some time to do anything with that. And it's not because it's not effective, it's because it lacks meaning for that particular practitioner.

SoMG

SoMG

[m1thr0s]

And it's not because it's not effective, it's because it lacks meaning for that particular practitioner. Actually, there doesn't exist a more relevant issue from the vantage point of experimental magick either. It's possibly the biggest problem I run up against in the hexagrammal fields for instance. If people have not made or cannot make some personal connection to the structures they are simulating they are very nearly wasting their time completely. We need that recognition factor or it's just pouring good water on a dead seed. As it happens, with something like Hexagrams, it is possible to find that connection but it takes some work. Until people hit that *aha* moment, they are just bashing their heads against a wall...

m1thr0s

[Son of Mr. Gordo]

It's possibly the biggest problem I run up against in the hexagrammal fields for instance.

I don't know what hexagrammal fields are. I'm on vacation starting tomorrow, so I shall have to go through your mutational alchemy threads.

SoMG

[Paulo]

Hey,
Do you know Tina Turner is a SGI member, and becoz of her devotion to Nam Myo Ho Reng Kyo, she became successful in the music industry.

Also many of the members here in Manila, have been blessed with Financial success.

Lastly, I met a group of SGI monks who chanted the N-M-H-R-K, who was able to removed all the house entities where some of the Best paranormals in Manila, couldn't cleansed or removed all the poltergeist.

just my 5cent idea