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Ritual_Kiss
09-10-2008, 02:21 PM
I just need my own little corner on the web to vent extreme frustration. I'm working on a 3d animation project that needs to be finished in 3 weeks (which is when I graduate.) I already started rendering it out and it's looking good so far, not perfect, but damn good. I like it. I go to set up some rendering for the evening so I can get some scenes finished by tomorrow, and some of the textures weren't loading on the props. I'm, starting to get a little stressed, because this has happened before. I ask one of my teachers for help. She finds the problem and shows me how to fix it, which would be great except she decided to take the opportunity to set it up for rendering with multiple different layers which takes a lot more time and stress than I'm willing to negotiate at this point. She tells me it will look a lot better, and she's right. I protest, she ignores me, despite the fact that she can see I'm ready to explode. It WILL look better, and so I can do that the next time I render out a project, but right now I've already rendered scenes which I'm happy with, and want to finish what I started. I'm not to fucking keen on having creative control taken from my hands. This is MY FUCKING PROJECT!!!I WANT IT DONE MY FUCKING WAY!!!
I'm so fucking pissed of right now, I literally feel like I'm going to pass out. It wouldn't have pissed me off so much had she asked me permission, if she asked if it would be ok. She didn't. She said "This will look better, so I'm going to set it up for you. Don't worry about it, I'll help you." I LIKE the way my project looks. So it could be done better another way? Fine, I'll do that next time. Right now I have 3 weeks till graduation and a lot of fucking work to do already.
Son of a fucking BITCH!
Ritual_Kiss
09-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Ok, I feel better. Tomorrow I will tell her that while she is absolutly right about it looking better rendering it out her way, I still have the batch files and can do it her way after graduation. She said herself that demo-reels are never really "finished." But right now, I have to finish what I started before I can do that. I will explain that I set a goal for myself to finish what I started before graduation.
Dragon
09-10-2008, 02:58 PM
Teachers, good and bad, have a way of finding your limits and then pushing them.
Your venting is healthy, a lot of us here know what a deadline is, and what a bitch more stress can create. Glad you are in a better space now - always a better place to deal with work from.
Rock on with your rock on.
Just don't beat yourself with it to much....and try to avoid beating other people as well...
unless of course...they bloody well deserve it ;).
~D~
Ritual_Kiss
09-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Hey, thanks for the encouraging words. :)
I'm sure everything will be fine if I work it out rationally and kindly. I'm trying to treat this as a necessary challenge, as I imagine I will get quite a bit of this in my career. It's not unheard of for people to want to take control of other people's creative projects. I think I have to find a way to show her she's appreciated as a teacher while telling her to step back.
MythMath
09-10-2008, 06:12 PM
Your last post says it all...
This is a great opportunity for you to experience
what will occur out in the 'real world' with
having to be flexible and compromise with
your paying clients instead of instructors...
Even when they're wrong, wrong, wrong...!
Good luck with your project(s)... :yes:
Ritual_Kiss
09-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Should be good for me. It's not that my teacher is wrong, it's that I haven't the time or energy, that's all.
MythMath
09-10-2008, 07:37 PM
That's why they call 'em Deadlines... :p :laugh:
Dragon
09-10-2008, 07:39 PM
It sounds like it is down to allocation of energy, resources, and prioritizing your tasks within a time frame, more then anything else. The human body is capable of great feats, just as long as you rest it and feed it appropriately.
It's good sometimes to get in over your head.
Just remember to surface for air during your endeavors RK......:cool:
You can do it, if you want to do it. The rest, is again, time management.
Time.....it is a bitch, non?
Dragon out -
m1thr0s
09-10-2008, 07:43 PM
Should be good for me. It's not that my teacher is wrong, it's that I haven't the time or energy, that's all.well no, actually...teacher was wrong not to get your approval before making any changes to your work...you might have been wrong to let her get away with that...
all part of this ongoing learning curve...how we deal with others is always an unexpected wrinkle I think, but it is part of the process...
but it sounds like it will all be ok...so that's the important thing and you can always file the unsavory bits under future flag alerts or something.
m1
Ritual_Kiss
09-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Well. Nothing turned out the way I planned when I spoke to her today, but at least the world didn't explode. She wouldn't let me explain, and was hell bent on it. I gave my best protest, and she even offered to do all the work for me, which I refused. When she didn't lisiten, I simply said "no." and she gave me "the hand" and left the room looking annoyed. It was awkward. I feel good, though. :)
luckily, she has no say in grading any of us, she's just there to give us a hand when we need it. I spoke about it with the others and they agree: she has a way of trying to take control over other people's projects.
Octarine Prince
09-12-2008, 05:36 AM
I just need my own little corner on the web to vent extreme frustration. I'm working on a 3d animation project that needs to be finished in 3 weeks (which is when I graduate.) I already started rendering it out and it's looking good so far, not perfect, but damn good. I like it. I go to set up some rendering for the evening so I can get some scenes finished by tomorrow, and some of the textures weren't loading on the props. I'm, starting to get a little stressed, because this has happened before. I ask one of my teachers for help. She finds the problem and shows me how to fix it, which would be great except she decided to take the opportunity to set it up for rendering with multiple different layers which takes a lot more time and stress than I'm willing to negotiate at this point. She tells me it will look a lot better, and she's right. I protest, she ignores me, despite the fact that she can see I'm ready to explode. It WILL look better, and so I can do that the next time I render out a project, but right now I've already rendered scenes which I'm happy with, and want to finish what I started. I'm not to fucking keen on having creative control taken from my hands. This is MY FUCKING PROJECT!!!I WANT IT DONE MY FUCKING WAY!!!
I'm so fucking pissed of right now, I literally feel like I'm going to pass out. It wouldn't have pissed me off so much had she asked me permission, if she asked if it would be ok. She didn't. She said "This will look better, so I'm going to set it up for you. Don't worry about it, I'll help you." I LIKE the way my project looks. So it could be done better another way? Fine, I'll do that next time. Right now I have 3 weeks till graduation and a lot of fucking work to do already.
Son of a fucking BITCH!
Relate to my wisdom.
I was in undergrad, and in a music history class (liberal arts school, so I needed this to fill a requirement. I was not a music major). The professor was a leading expert in this specific area of the field. We even used the textbook she wrote!
Anyway, in my term paper, I used a phrase that she didn't agree with, and she said to change it. I was like WTF. She implied that she would give me a B if I insisted she grade it, but she knew I wanted an A.
I changed it.
I look back on that little bit of what I thought was selling out at the time, but really was a lesson in how the world works.
I have never seen your 3D work. I bet you are great at it. You will have a great future at it. Your professor ALREADY has her cred in this. Let her be right, because you already said she is.
She will do the same thing that my old prof did. She will give you an A. How can she downgrade one of her own choices?
Ritual_Kiss
09-12-2008, 10:32 AM
Well, she doesn't really have a say in how it's graded. I would love to do it her way if I felt I had the time. I don't. I'm going to do it her way, absolutely, but not at this moment. We are allowed to use the render rooms after graduation. At that time, I'll do that.
frater luciferi
09-17-2008, 12:25 PM
whenever you do a creative project where someone else is paying you for it. you will always have to make consessions with your art. and i know its your baby, but its a sad reality for the most part..if you want to make a living doing art.
Ritual_Kiss
09-17-2008, 04:24 PM
I know. But in the industry the art isn't really mine, it's the company's. This particular demo reel is a personal reflection of my strengths and weaknesses as a 3d artist. I understand that I will always be improving it long after I'm finished school. I plan to follow through with her suggestion after school. I get to use the facility after grad.
Ritual_Kiss
09-18-2008, 07:00 PM
I was going to make a new thread for this, but since I already have this one open I see no reason why it shouldn't become a "venting" thread as opposed to a "I vent" thread. Seriously, why should I do all the bitching? Bitchiness is something we can all participate in! So please vent, list off the things that anger you.
1. When I'm introducing myself to someone, I am not impressed when the first or second question out of the man's mouth is "so, are you single/married." I
especially don't like the following "why not?" and I really, REALLY don't like the look of sheer horror and confusion on a person's face when I explain that
on that particular instance I chose to be single. It's retarded that I have to explain to someone that sometimes people want to put their focus on other
areas of development in their lives, and for the time being, having a boyfriend or husband isn't a priority.
2. On that note, I don't like it when I want to do something alone, and I am approached by people asking me if I want company with an expression of pity.
Granted, sometimes random people ask if I wanna go to a party, and I'm intrigued when my gut tells me it's ok (it always is in those circumstances) but
those people don't talk to me like they are my fucking savior doing me a favor by allowing me to bask in their glorious presence.
3. Anyone who dictates how pretty I should look for them, and feminists who get pissy at women who feel like looking attractive by their own standards.
That's hypocrisy.
4. "You think too much." "Well that's a very...interesting opinion." "You're just being sensitive."
5. Anyone who presumes to tell me what I think, feel, or who I am, as if I'm fucking lying or deluded.
6. "Nice guys." For those who don't know, a "nice guy" is that special male friend known for his whining that women don't really like nice guys. He's anrgy
because he listened to a girl, hung out with her, did nice things for her, was her shoulder to cry on, and yet she didn't sleep with him. He now holds this
terrible grudge at a girl he thinks is living it up at good parties, and prays that one day she will want to settle down with a nice guy, but alas, it will
be too late, and she will die lonely thinking about that nice guy who treated her with respect. Except he didn't treat her with respect. This fucker thinks
that when you treat a friend like a friend, you are owed sex. That's right, he is owed sex for behaving decently. There is nothing wrong with wanting sex
from a friend, or developing feelings for someone, or even not wanting to be someone's friend. But rather than talk to the person about it, this guy is
pretending to be a friend for nookie. It's like "I dressed myself and brushed my teeth, can I has a cookie?"
7. There is a manipulative type that has plagued my life so that I can now spot them rather easily, but it was difficult to live with before I learned to see
it. If you stand your ground, and let them know you're not putting up with their shit, they panic and try tactics that make them look really pathetic, and it
gets pretty funny. They get that look in their eye like "She's onto me!" He takes any discussion or argument as a competition. You don't always notice it
until it's an argument. It's never about resolving the issue, it's about avoiding blame or looking wrong at all costs. If you point out a flaw in his logic,
or tell him why you disagree he will point to another unrelated instance where you were wrong (btw, he NEVER lets you live anything down, even when he claims the conflict is resolved.) mentions something he did recently that was good as if it invalidates the current issue, make a personal attack, tryes to change the subject, has a selective memory (stories are always changing) or completely and suddenly pretending that the current argument is not happning, in all seriousness. When I don't back down he will sigh and say "that's why I love you, you call me on my bull." He is simultaniously the most persecuted and enlightened person on the planet. If you want to talk about something in your life that hurts you, when he tells you stories from his own life, it's not to
express that he understands but to say "I had it worse."
"You had a rough childhood? I was raped by my dad!" "You're reading about Buddhism? I studied under a monk in Tibet, and ate a grain of rice a day for 3
years!!!"
8. People who are narcissistic over doing things that anybody and everybody does. "Ha, I called you a name and you got offended! I used my advanced
psychological knowledge to make you react how I intended. Muahahahaha!"
9. My grandma once called me Polish because my adoptive mom is. Sure I was raised with Polish people with Polish culture, but I'm not Polish, I'm genetically
Irish, English and Native. She refused to acknowledge this and I was pissed. I mean, it sounds silly, but she's refusing to acknowledge something about me that doesn't define me, but is still very very real. It's like when someone says "I don't see a black person, I don't notice the colour of your skin." to a black
person. "I was wrong Stan, you're not a Jew." "Yes I am. I'm a Jew, Cartman!" "Stan, stop being so hard on yourself."
Octarine Prince
09-25-2008, 02:35 PM
It's Kyle instead of Stan.
What are you wearing?
Can we have sex now?
I'm black, BTW.
muhahahahhaha
(smile)
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