Trigger Gnosis

[coma_gnosis]

If hypnotic trance is linked to the state of gnosis, couldn't hypnotism be used to program a keyword that would cause gnostic states? For example: I write a script that programs me to go into the gnostic state when I say "Echelon 17". Then, whenever I need to achieve a state of gnosis, I just need to say "Echelon 17".

[coma_gnosis]

Slight problem... Not sure if a hypnotic trance is linked to gnosis...

[dev]

A state of gnosis is self-inflicted (in my opinion)... something generated by will or at least deep inspiration. I am sure one can hypnotize oneself, but it does seem a bit backwards...

I think it is better to try an live life in a state of gnosis, and the go Echelon 17 when the house needs to be cleaned or something boring like that!

:cool:

[coma_gnosis]

Hypnosis can be used to program in desires and actions... The hypnotist is said to speak to the subconscious mind, which has been said to be linked to Kia...

If hypnosis can be used to induce altered states of consciousness... why not? it's easier than the death posture for me.

[frater luciferi]

gnosis is just basically ones own development of interaction with the all or macrocosm..im sure that hypnotic trance states are great for tapping into the inner recesses of self-gnosis and following would greatly benefit your gnosis de facto.
strangely though its not to far of a stretch seeing how the inner cosmos being a receptacle of the outter is -however tainted by perception a strange gate into the mysterys in some aspect..
the gnostics though had their own rudimentary version of psycology however and they had their own maps of conciousness..that might be related once more to the outter realms.

i have stolen the term gnosis myself and adapted it by adding a few labels--simple but effective

macrognosis. and micrognosis.

[dev]

macrognosis and micrognosis.
That is pretty amazing in its simplicity!

:cool:

[coma_gnosis]

Micrognosis and macrognosis? Omoshiroi da...

But perhaps microcosm and macrocosm are both interfaced with via the same gnosis, hmm?

Anyway, I am trying to use a self hypnosis application called Virtual Hypnotist to add a keyword to cause trance states. It should make trance states much more easily accessible. From there, who knows?

[Dragon]

Please to keep us apprised of your experiment. Please to take notes. :yes:

[frater luciferi]

That is pretty amazing in its simplicity!

:cool:

i often find that the simple can often be the most profound..probably a natural reaction due to my heavy buddhist studies of late? always been a big fan of zen.

[frater luciferi]

Micrognosis and macrognosis? Omoshiroi da...

But perhaps microcosm and macrocosm are both interfaced with via the same gnosis, hmm?

Anyway, I am trying to use a self hypnosis application called Virtual Hypnotist to add a keyword to cause trance states. It should make trance states much more easily accessible. From there, who knows?

macrognosis is an extension of micrognosis as micrognosis is the internal delving into self ----learning or knowing of self. i'm pretty convinced that if one digs far deep into themself they might find the root of gnosis reflected somewhere.

[coma_gnosis]

Just an update. Tried a couple of sessions with Virtual Hypnotist. Seem to be able to go into trance deeper each time I use it. That gives me hope, as I am not usually able to achieve trance states very easily.

As for the gnosis trigger, I changed it between sessions. I'm planning on doing around 3 more sessions with VH before I try using the trigger.

[coma_gnosis]

Another update.

I decided to try to use the trigger, just to see how well it worked after only two incomplete sessions with VH (there were always technical difficulties with the waking scripts). I repeated my trigger about 5 times, and I noticed that each time I did, I went deeper into a trance state. Since this is the result of only 2 incomplete sessions with VH, I'm excited about the kinds of results I might get from 5 or 6 complete sessions.

As for testing whether or not the trance state is related to or identical to gnosis, I'm not sure, but I do know that the hypnotic trance state seems very similar to what is called "inhibitory gnosis".

Can't wait. Next session is tomorrow night.

[m1thr0s]

As for testing whether or not the trance state is related to or identical to gnosis, I'm not sure, but I do know that the hypnotic trance state seems very similar to what is called "inhibitory gnosis".depends on how you are defining *gnosis*...it's a very generic sort of term, or else has become one in common usage.

If we use a more rigorously defined term such as *enlightenment* (despite its abuses in the west) then the answer is no...the hypnotic state and the enlightenment state are not the same thing at all and the enlightenment state is not actually linked to any mechanism of any kind. It is a purely spontaneous state whose trigger exists outside the realm of trickery and/or gimmicks of any kind...not rooted in the *subconscious* so much as the *superconscious*, which seems to get very little attention these days even though it is an integral part of the same language of consciousness from its inception.

Still, experiment is a good thing and there is a lot to be resolved with respect to *asana*...which is all about psychological and physical *positioning*. This is a lot of what traditional meditative practices are built upon...this whole idea that even though the enlightened state cannot be specifically switched on or off through any kind of gimmickry, nevertheless we know that certain kinds of preparations tend to increase the frequency of its occurrence. We still don't know exactly why and in many cases the enlightened state completely disregards all manner of protocols and *strikes* anyway.

It is useful, perhaps, to keep in mind that the enlightened state is linked more to *higher mind* than it is to *reptilian*, or *lesser* mind which implies that it is more conscious than you are in your usual conscious state and is thus completely cognizant of all your tactical maneuverings.

My best guess, and the sum of my own personal experience thus far, is that some things can yet be gained through self-hypnosis...some valuable lessons can be learned...but it will ultimately fail to produce the exact results you are hoping that it will. If it were that simple, it would have been identified and mastered long ago by now. People aren't quite as dumb as they look and people have been tracking this thing for a very long time now...

In a sense, the hypnosis theory seeks to bypass the conscious state and go directly from subconscious to superconscious...as though the conscious state were a lump of garbage blocking our path to higher consciousness. It's not quite as simple as this. higher consciousness is *integrative*, not *omissive*, so it has more to do with an expert coordination of all rungs of consciousness than a preferential targeting of one state over another.

Trance itself is actually a different conversation and self-hypnosis can certainly be useful as a means to generating trance states. The only problem with this is that these states gradually become assimilated into our usual conscious state and will thus tend to weaken over time as something separate or apart. The same thing applies to drugs as a means to igniting trance states and is one of the limitations of drugs as a means to higher consciousness...but again...this doesn't mean these things cannot be useful if they are put to good and positive use.

It is my own belief and experience to date that we have no better alternative to mastering higher consciousness than following the same essential *integrative* pathways that higher consciousness itself is using. And this demands that we have a clear understanding of what we are attempting to harness and a definitive methodology for simulating and/or assimilating it. In a sense, the path to *higher understanding* is understanding...to *higher wisdom* is wisdom and so on. The path to Crown is Crown itself, so at the end of the day we have no better choice than to know our target exactly for what it is. This is why our maps are so important...just as they would be if we were attempting to navigate uncertain waters. And those maps have to be continually updated until they reach the degree of accuracy we require. The maps don't produce anything in themselves but without them we are really just floating about aimlessly.

m1thr0s

[coma_gnosis]

Interesting take on it. I've been thinking of it as a mixture of different states of consciousness that can be experienced, kind of like navigating multiple layers. I like to think that if you can learn to climb down the ladder of consciousness, you can also climb up. So by learning to go into subconscious or below, you can also learn to go to superconscious and above. I think that there is a kind of spiritual inertia or force that tries to keep us in the state we spend most of our time in. By breaking free of the inertia, one can go in any direction, and the more one practices, the easier it becomes to do that.

Of course, I could be wrong, or I could be right, or I could be both simultaneously. I remember reading in The Camel Rides Again by Alan Chapman that as people practice magick of any kind, they will constantly be modifying and updating their models of the universe, multiverse, existence, etc.

My definition of "gnosis" is "an altered state of consciousness". Of course, there are many forms...

In Liber Null, I found that Peter Carrol mentioned a link or piece of Kia in each person, and that communicating with that piece from the conscious to the non-conscious (made no distinction between super and subconscious) was the key to modifying reality... He also made a claim involving the conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel...

AAHH!! These things are so confusing... Which is why I enjoy them so much.