private/public decks

[fr.novumorganum]

I'm wondering if anyone sorts their decks by their use. In otherwords, keep one's deck for meditation/pathworkwing/ritual seperate from one's deck used for divination, especially if performing divination for others.:confused:

[m1thr0s]

I haven't really done that myself but I have heard of doing it. It would seem to make sense on the face of it. Does your question suggest that you do this? Has it demonstrated some value to you to do so?

Practicality sort of informs me that reserving a powerful tool for a potent purpose will only "hone" that tool's performance at that particular task. Chefs have certain knives reserved for certain tasks and a breakfast cook might split your head in half for inadvertantly using his egg pans to fry up bacon! It's all roughly the same sort of thing at different ethereal altitudes. It is possible that in all cases the difference is mostly mental, but somehow I doubt it. There are questions of energy to be considered as well as the whole business of starting and stopping things that continue to evolve from chapter to chapter, session to session, etc...

m1thr0s

[Austin Osman Spare]

After using the rider-waite tarot for several years, i made a complete transistion to the thoth tarot. After lenghty familirization with the thoth tarot, i have decided to aquire a waite deck again (or similarly "traditional" deck) for the purposes of reading for other people. my observation has been that it is easier for those with little or no occult knowledge to readily aquire meaning from the imagery of a traditional deck.
Verily i say that thoth speaks to all regardless of prior knowledge, but for the purposes of extrapolating and explaining a story to the layperson, i would prefer a traditional deck. my own connection with the thoth deck is one of deep respect and reverence, it appears sometimes to myself as though i've absorbed the imagery within the cards to such an extent that words only feebily convey thier meaning.

[m1thr0s]

This I can very much relate to. I have seen people have very strong reactions to the symbolism in the Thoth deck and a few of the images are really quite alive so it can be unnerving at points to the uninitiated when the cards start crawling about of their own accord.

I love the Dakini deck personally for more casual readings. There is a relatively new Pythagorean deck out as well. The images are more of a watercolor variety and so less threatening.

m1thr0s

[Austin Osman Spare]

I love the Dakini deck personally for more casual readings. There is a relatively new Pythagorean deck out as well. The images are more of a watercolor variety and so less threatening.

m1thr0s
i am not familiar with these decks, i'll have to check them out. personaly i'm leaning towards a water-color version of the rider-waite; brighter, more detail. rider- waite was what i was taught with so its very familiar.

[Anibis]

I reached an impasse with Tarot. I put so much energy into establishing sound geometric arrangements that I found most decks did not suffice to tell the stories that I would have them tell. There were two main problems. The first is equilibrium. Some decks, I found have a sort of mal-equilibrium built into their structure, and despite being artistically lovely, they create for me a kind of leaky boat effect (or worse a 'leaky nuclear reactor' effect). The Thoth Deck falls into this category due mainly to the 11/8 switch. The other problem was that even in decks which were geometrically sound, there was still a conceptual imballance, particularly the one that Crowley tried to address with his switch of the Star and the Emperor. Basically put, I don't buy into the Emperor/male energy being associated with the number 4. I accept Crowley's intuition that these two cards should be exchanged, but I think he went about it in a way that just bunged things up. It's much better, IMO to just keep IV and Heh where it was on the 15th path and XVII and Tzaddi on the 28th, and just exchange images. Thus the male energy is found at XVII along with aquarius and Tzaddi, and the Star at IV (working rather nicely with our Tetratys technology) with Aries and Heh (gives the star 'pentacularity'). In the end, because of this particularness I was forced to design my own cronologically sound and conceptually appropriate deck. It took me many years to actually get it into Assiah (manifestation), but that's the deck I now use. However, in the meantime, after figuring out the design I needed, I ended up 'discovering' a set of trumps posted on the internet which actually do fit the requirements! They were channed in the 80's by a magician named Aion. Check it out (http://www.psychicsophia.com/aion/aatarot.html). It's quite evocative. Anyhow, when I read, it is with my own deck. To read Tarot is the Cup's work, to write it is the Wand's.

-Ibisis-

[Ðanisty]

I have a Rider-Waite deck which is what I use most of the time. It's what I learned on and it's easy to work with. I really hate the artwork though...I absolutely hate it. It might seem superficial to some people, but I'm looking for a new deck that's more attractive. I have a Thoth deck which I do think is beautiful and has produced some interesting results, but I can't seem to feel connected to it properly.

I've wanted the Dali tarot deck for a long time and I've found a Russian deck recently that I think I'd like.

[Austin Osman Spare]

I have a Rider-Waite deck which is what I use most of the time. It's what I learned on and it's easy to work with. I really hate the artwork though...I absolutely hate it. Have you seen the "aquatic tarot?" it is a watercolor version of the rider-waite, i find it much more "alive"

[Ðanisty]

It's better, but it's still based on the same linework and honestly, that's what I disliked most about the Rider-Waite.

[Austin Osman Spare]

Check it out (http://www.psychicsophia.com/aion/aatarot.html). It's quite evocative. Anyhow, when I read, it is with my own deck. To read Tarot is the Cup's work, to write it is the Wand's.

-Ibisis-That is a very unique deck, to be sure. I like Fortune in particular, but they are all very "active".Any chance we might view the deck that you have created? I'll always love the rider-waite, though the coloring of the original is downright disgusting. I have a thing for traditional medieval imagery. Does anyone else agree that traditional imagery might be more usefull in stuations where the querent is "mainstream?" Think of how effective a deck consisting of popular media figures (ZOS forbid...) would be in penetrating the conciousness of say, the blokes at the watercooler at work? I must add the dakini deck seems to strike a fine balance...

[Austin Osman Spare]

As for aligning of attributions, lets just say Im not about to try to fit the square peg in the round hole. I tend to believe that the symbolism of any medium invariably completes itself. Can the whole universe not exist in "one" as well as "two", "three", or "four? The medium is the message, I gather

[fr.novumorganum]

I've made the move to a private/public deck split (actually I have two public decks, a rider and a thoth--not everyone is comfortable with the thoth deck).
I found that when doing a pathworking or such soon after a reading, there were 'residual' traces from the reading that seeped into my visualization work.

[Radiant Star]

I use Rider Waite for daily things and I keep Manara for personal readings.

Tried Thoth, couldn't get on with it.

I sometimes use the Robin Wood for a lighter reading and for a really heavy session on a more serious note I use Lon Milo Duquette's Ceremonial Magick deck.

There is definitely a huge difference in readings done with different decks, not that they contradict, but they seem to bring out deeper aspects, so if the person I am reading for is looking a bit fragile, I use a gentler deck.

[Anibis]

That is a very unique deck, to be sure. I like Fortune in particular, but they are all very "active".Any chance we might view the deck that you have created? I'll always love the rider-waite, though the coloring of the original is downright disgusting. I have a thing for traditional medieval imagery. Does anyone else agree that traditional imagery might be more usefull in stuations where the querent is "mainstream?" Think of how effective a deck consisting of popular media figures (ZOS forbid...) would be in penetrating the conciousness of say, the blokes at the watercooler at work? I must add the dakini deck seems to strike a fine balance...



I'll have to scan the images. They are VERY simple and sigilic, the idea being to have a set of symbols which could be drawn on anything: on walls, on rocks, paper, wood, whatever. I'll post the Sigils for the trumps when I get the chance. Cheers;
-Ibisis-

[Anibis]

Okay folks here it is:

http://Ibisis.zoints.com/image/31599-SigilTarot

It was designed in transit during May-June 2006 from Paris to Prague, through Poland, Austria, Hungary, and Slovakia. It was completed in Prague and consolidated in London. I chose to make it very simple so that it could be written on anything from paper to wood, to stone, to cement. The titles I chose are suggestive but not necessarily fixed. The images of the 'Star' and 'The Emperor' have been switched completely, and 'The Man' is considered to be the power of science and invention. Another possible title would be 'the Inventor'. 'The Moon' has been titled 'the Ocean', since the actual Moon is the Preistess, and is paired with 'The Sun' who could also be called 'The Priest'. Each card should be seen in relation to it's polar opposite card. All polar cards sum up to XXI. The Juggler is the card numbered ∞, and has no polar. On the tree it is situated in Da'ath. It represents the weaving of all the energies together and is akin to Yoga.

That's it for now.
-Ibisis-

[Kain]

That's a very interesting approach Ibisis! I really like it personally...

Kain

[Anibis]

Thanks;
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

That's some seriously fun stuff Ibisis...I can easily see these little glyphs on pendants and rings and so on...very nice, very elegant and strong...

One little anal ditty...Atu XIIX is not an actual roman numeral of any kind (Ocean)... it is a palindrome though!

neat stuff...so...when can I order the Juggler in gold?

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I chose to make it very simple so that it could be written
on anything from paper to wood, to stone, to cement.


Very nice lines...

Somehow reminded me a bit of Harry Partch:

While living briefly in New York he began work on U.S. Highball,
a piece that used many of his jottings from his hobo years as text.
The work is, essentially, the story of a hobo's trip from San Francisco
to Chicago, a journey that Partch had himself undertaken.
[from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Partch ]...

Some 'hobo glyphs':

http://www.elmerfudd.us/dp/hobo/hobo.htm

MM

[Anibis]

Yeah, Hobo Glyphs are SUPER cool. Enchanting physical space via graffiti, there's an Idea.
M1thr0s: so, the correct numeral would be XVIII? (I can live with it...)
-Ibisis-

[Anibis]

neat stuff...so...when can I order the Juggler in gold?

m1thr0s

How about Ceramic?
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

well, I'm a metals junkie myself...I'd settle for copper (or silver) though (hint hint)...lol

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

If I knew how to work these metals... It's a great idea...
-Ibisis-

[MythMath]

m1thr0s,

What program did you use for your TwinStar avatar...?

It apparently offers access to the virtual metals...


Ibisis,

You could design, print out and laminate these
'mockmetal mysteries' for use in decks or,
on a lanyard, as the ultimate backstage pass...:)

Only half-jokingly,

MM

PS -

re: ceramics

Perhaps the sygils could be applied to a ceramic surface
using a metallic powder? (or paint?) , then fired in a kiln...:confused:

[m1thr0s]

m1thr0s,

What program did you use for your TwinStar avatar...?

It apparently offers access to the virtual metals...are you asking what programs were used to build it graphically? it was built in illustrator and photoshop. If you mean something else you'll need to specify...or you can PM me if it's easier...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Yes, I just meant graphically speaking...

How do you get those groovy metallic fx in Photoshop...?

Is it a plug-in filter...?

Maybe my version is just too old...:rolleyes:

M
M

[m1thr0s]

oh...geez...I totally forgot...yes...EyeCandy 5: Impact-->Brushed Metal with an overlay of Glass... I might have also used a touch of KPT6--> Materializer (background)...

You get so used to using these plug-ins you forget sometimes they aren't stock...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

I'l love to imbed them visually into a dance track... heh heh heh...
-Ibisis-

[IceSoul]

I never really believe in divination arts..untill one day..
One day a friend of mine..showed me a black deck..I got sick for 3 days!
That day i made a decision..after all, if a simple deck can make me sick
then, in the right hands it must be really powerful!
The one deck I understand..the one deck I can find enumerous interpretations, the one I can really feel is Aleister Crowley's tarot deck: Toth

In the way of learning, there were somethings I felt I already knew.
So if you ask me, if we should or shouldn't use the same deck for meditation and for divination work, I most certantly will tell you "Of Course"!
Personally I tried other decks and no other works for me...It seems I'm a one deck women (LOL)
Anyway i feel if I work a deck enough i will feel more conected with it.
So, the idea is working and meditate with our deck and when you'll work with it for divination issuis it will be much more easier to read and interpretate your own tarot.

[feranaja]

For the longest time I read professionally with the Waite deck and privately with the Wang Golden Daawn. I'm hoping to finish my own deck this year and do most of my work, private and public, with it. We'll see how it goes...I've done a lot of experimenting over the years and have several decks with much more beautiful artwork than either Waite's or Wang's, but these are the ones that speak most clearly. I also do Animal Card readings, for an entirely different perspective, although I find most of the animal decks out there really fluffy. I probably like Jamie Samm's Medicine cards best of that type of deck...traditional Tarot it's still the Waite.

fera

[Sibylle]

I don't sort my decks by their use. Much of the time I use Wang's Golden Dawn, but I enjoy having a variety of decks to choose from for the artwork and specific psychology permeating them.

[Copuldaemon]

I don't read the tarot as much anymore and I'll tell you why. First off, I've been using the Rider-Waite deck for about ten years now. I have bought another deck which was the Winged Spirit deck but gave to my sister instead. My former deck is more personalized because throughout the years, I have marked up each card with the corresponding hebrew letter, astrological sign and sigils that I have been inspired to scribe on. Plus, I liked the weathered look. I can use the cards and read them, any card actually and can tell what they mean. I have used my deck publiclly and privately and seldom; correction, I was never wrong.
But I was flustered when I started reading for certain answers that had nothing to do with my ex and the cards (as if they had a mind of their own and just had awaken) always made the answer point back to her and well, let's just say that being friends with her is beyond impossible. This happened at least 36 times and so I thought it was time to put them down and I haven't cared to use them. In fact, I haven't used them in about 2 months. I can still use them for a reading but not like I used to before something about my ex comes up-BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
If this keeps up, I'm going to burn those bitches soon; oh yeah, I have also used my cards for personal insight as well as fortune telling.;)

[MythMath]

Ashes to ashes, fun to funky...

Time to treat yourself to a new deck...

MythMath
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Note to self {product concept}:

Acid-washed (pre-distressed) tarot decks... :yes:

[feranaja]

On another note?

Last night my puppy ate half my cherished old Waite deck. Is it time to move on or just buy more chew toys?? I was astonished when I found a half eaten Strength card under my pillow.
fera

[MythMath]

What did the rest of the reading tell you...?

MythMath
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Note to self {product concept}:

Dog-proof tarot decks... :yes:

[feranaja]

What did the rest of the reading tell you...?

MythMath
_______________

Note to self {product concept}:

Dog-proof tarot decks... :yes:


lol MM...if you have a five month old pup and you leave your deck on a low table? you need to be sharper. Its all chew toys for him!

I dont believe there are "bad dogs" just human error.

Maybe an edible dog deck, made from liver and brown rice?
fera

[Copuldaemon]

Doggies are cool but they stink up the place. So to keep this topic related, I've been tempted by the flirtacious nature of beginnig my own tarot in the contruct of an idea under the guise of inspiration during gassy flageliance from eating boiled eggs (w/salt)