Knowing everything

[Amur]

Got any suggestions on what to do when having reached a state where everything ones mind is turned to is instantly answered and known? It feels like having come to Void.

Experiences again is another thing. Getting rich experiences seem to be a kind of drive in this life. But other than that it's quite meaningless lol. Got any suggestions?

[Anibis]

Find joy in mundane things. Go to greasy spoon restaurants, dive bars, and coffee shops with patios. Try to find things that are typically considered boring to be fascinating. Reverse the priory of answer and question. Learn a repetitive skill. Smoke Hashish with 'hair-lip Steve' (EVERY town has a Hair-lip Steve). Play cards. Go on a journey. Anyhow, just a few of my tactics for such situations...
-ib-

[Amur]

Thanks. That's exactly what I thought about doing ;)

Can someone give me a permission to crack through this symbolical part blockage which was put from external world? Just giving a permission is enough for me :)

Let's get this party started! (http://www.lyrics007.com/Pink%20Lyrics/Get%20The%20Party%20Started%20Lyrics.html) :D

[Anibis]

Cool. Say Hi to Steve for me... ;)
-Ibisis-

[Amur]

Cool. Say Hi to Steve for me... ;)
-Ibisis-

Lol, need a direct answer to crack the pot ;)

Edit note: Earth answered directly that I need to descend before ascending lol. So I guess it's back to hell in one form or another(or the underworld's)

[m1thr0s]

Mine adept stand Erect.
Their heads above the Heavens.
Their feet below the Hells.

I don't know why I always seem to remember that phrase in a better english than it was actually authored in...must be the buzzing in my ears...

m1thr0s

[Amur]

Mine adept stand Erect.
Their heads above the Heavens.
Their feet below the Hells.

I don't know why I always seem to remember that phrase in a better english than it was actually authored in...must be the buzzing in my ears...


Sounds like an Eternal Erection :D
Thanks!

[Kain]

Usually, such situations landmark the end of a cycle of personal re-integration and the beginning of a new one for me. The attainment of the aspired state of the Sun, if you will. Everything is known and is readily answered, there is no striving for finding what is mentally questioned and yet we know that what is known is not what is there to be ultimately known, even in the smallest of things...

For me, it has always been important to consciously acknowledge that the light I have been pursuing for so long and eventually actually managed to attain, is in fact not a Sun after all, but a Moon really. The perception of the fully integrated solar system as a lunar one seems to dispel this over-readiness of the consciousness to report premature Self-enlightenment and realize the even higher cycle's begining, seeing how what is accounted for until now, although internally complete, constitutes only the passive pole of an even greater system of interractions.
As is often said, the Tao that can be spoken of is not the real Tao. So how do we realize that practically, when the Tao that can be spoken of thinks it is the real Tao? The above procedure has always done it for me personally until now, making sure the light perceived is always coming from a cycle above my own. This realization of one's system of perceived entirety as the passive counterpart of a larger system has a lot to do with the internal constitution of Earth too...as Earth is passive as an element when perceived externally, although it achieves this by having an exceptionally well-accounted-for balance of internal components, thus being exceptionally stable. Pretty much the same thing is trying to be achieved with the above method, making one's system fertile for further expansion and re-integration, as this state of "knowing everything" in a certain cycle of evolution can go either of two ways: Either continue acting despite it's end, reveling in it's knowledge and the profoundness of everything around it, or offer this knowledge as the basis for an ever higher resolution of perception to foundate upon.

So yeah, I guess a trip to Hell is advisable...hehe...

Kain

P.S. Great quote m1thr0s...

[Seipiriz]

Remember one thing though that everything that we recognise with our very senses has many aspects of existance , save each question can hold many answers but the suitable answer for each and everyone of us is only a personal aspect ...

Dont consider the question be the question in all cases and under all circumstances....

[Zaii]

Got any suggestions on what to do when having reached a state where everything ones mind is turned to is instantly answered and known?

While this may seem pretty basic...unless i'm interpreting what you're saying incorrectly......if you really have attained such a state, why aren't you using that to do/be/get whatever you want?

[Austin Osman Spare]

Congradulations on your current state of ego-identification. Prepare for ego-separation, or throw yourself willingly across the spectrum to those darker, more chaotic realms.
If your muse has truly entered, by all means, court her.

[Amur]

While this may seem pretty basic...unless i'm interpreting what you're saying incorrectly......if you really have attained such a state, why aren't you using that to do/be/get whatever you want?

Logically it has broken through the veil, which means that it's quite straightforward to do logically anything. It's even very fast to do logically it, but it doesn't mean that the emotional aspect would be anywhere alright.

The state feels like having blown up into a psychosis type of thing which has the logical part doing all the things as the emotional aspect is dismembered into bits. It just doesn't make any sense. Even got somekind of life-generator going yesterday which would logically create life itself, urgh. It feels like void and crap when there, as the emotions and feelings are all gone. Feels like going through some RPG game with God-mode on, it just takes the pressure and idea of the whole game away.

Luckily the emotions are still in-tact in hell hehe. Guess the state would be better with the emotional aspect balanced. It just doesn't make sense to hurt oneself emotionally until the logical aspect grows so powerful that it doesn't make any sense anymore lol. Feels like cheating really. urgh.

Guess the lesson of this for myself was to really enjoy the slowness of this world hehe.If I only had a trout along with the person who said that one should strife for something called spirituality. How much I would like a manifestation of that to happen *slap*

And I don't see this state as anything beautiful nor anything which should be congratulated, it seems more like a curse than a blessing. What do I want if I don't want anything at all? Perhaps that's the problem with complete de-attachment. Being so depressed that wanting nothing is as 'everything is the same'. Guess it brings a new look on nothingness lol.

[m1thr0s]

What do I want if I don't want anything at all? Perhaps that's the problem with complete de-attachment.Yes...and perhaps even one's attachment to non-attachment must be overcome in the end. I am of the opinion that the doctrine of detachment is highly overrated personally. That our objective should rather be to achieve a "frictionless" coexistence with the ALL, not so much a detached one. Who says we should give up our passion for life? What a crock of self-assuming double-talk! While it may have its merits up to a point, it also hits a wall of internal contradiction that may render it a useless goal and a fool's errand in the end. All these things stem from the notion that life itself is somehow a bad thing...a thing to be overcome...a thing to be released from in some obscure and logically impossible way. I cannot find the proof of these premises myself. If Being comes first...then Being also comes last and there is nothing beyond Perfect Being itself in the end. A state of Perfect Being describes a condition of utmost Balance...not *detachedness* necessarily at all! This is an assumption and a *sacred cow* of its own kind...never validated...not once proven to be true in fact.

800 million *chinamen* actually can be wrong where they have all bought into an assumption without bothering to check the facts.

m1thr0s

[Amur]

800 million *chinamen* actually can be wrong where they have all bought into an assumption without bothering to check the facts.


And I thought Buddha was something to be admired as of his ways of Peace itself heh. Raagh. Need another Trout here :D I think I might have an ADD on a cosmic grand-scale rofl. Satanism comes up stronger for each cycle passed.

Anyone noticed a symbiotic relationship between severe traumatization and religiosity?

[Luciftias]

How about this:

When reaching a state where anything you focus the mind upon is understood, turn the mind inwards upon yourself.

Jesus said, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."
- 3rd saying from the Gnostic text "The Gospel of Thomas"


If that doesn't float your boat, at least turn your mind towards the question of what to do next. You shouldn't have to ask anyone else anything at this point.

As far as "the docterine of detachment," I believe that this is a common Western misunderstanding of Buddhist philosophy. The idea isn't so much detachment but simply non-attachment. From the wording it doesn't seem like a big difference, but it's huge. Non-attachement means being passionately engaged in the moment. Not striving for a specific outcome, but engaging in the activity for it's own sake. It is the avoidance of grasping or aversion. For example, someone goes out and has an amazing dinner. If the person orders that dish again, they should treat it as a new meal and not try to replicate the past. If it's different, they will be disapointed and miss out on enjoying the difference. A more emotionally charged example would be if you are in a romantic relationship. The point isn't to be detached from your mate. The point is to passionately engage in the moment, all the while knowing that someday it will end, and that day could very well be today. It could end for various reasons such as death, mental illness, infidelity, etc..., but it will end. If you practice non-attachment, when it ends, you will know that you didn't waste the time you did have together. Also, if you are in an uncomfortable or situation, know that it is temporary and persevere through it, using it as an opportunity to learn more about yourself rather than frantically trying to escape it. Essentially a person practicing non-attachment is constantly wearing that "magic" ring from the story that is supposed to make both a happy man sad and a sad man happy. It's a regular ring with the following words inscribed on it:

"This too shall pass."

Luciftias

[m1thr0s]

Non-attachement means being passionately engaged in the moment. I haven't heard anyone address non-attachment in that way but I can certainly endorse that take on it. It's the same as the idea of being free from the "lust of result", which is the only way any real creative focus can work effectively anyway. If you're constantly looking over your shoulder to gauge how far you've come vs how far you have to go or how well it is being received or any of that crapola, you're just not really paying any serious attention to what you are doing...

m1thr0s

[Luciftias]

Ya, exactly m1thr0s. It's essentially the same thing as the Thelemic "pure Will... dilivered from the lust of result." The concept is also found in the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna, as Arjuna's divine-self, advises him to perform his Duty for the sake of the action itself without striving after a specific outcome.

When you look at other Buddhist practices you can see how they would lead to non-attached but passionately engaged involvement in the world. For example, one of the primary practices of Buddhism is to contemplate the transitory nature of reality, including meditating on your own death. In fact, I've heard it said that the fact that we know that we will die but that we don't know when should never leave your mind. As we know, those to whom death has become very real through the passing of a loved one or through their own near death experience, become passionately engaged in the world and usually lose their fear and aversion of death.

This thread just reminded me something of from back when I used to attend a Tibetan Buddhist Temple. One day after the usual practice session, the floor was opened up for people to ask questions (through a translator) of the monk who presided over the services at that Temple. I decided to get right to the point and I asked "How can I acheive enlightenment?" The reply was short and concise, "First you focus your mind through meditation and other practices into a sharp instrument. Then you turn that instrument towards itself to discover how the mind operates. From that knowledge you acheive enlightenment." I happened to bring my girlfriend along with me that day and after my question, she asked him, "How long ago did you acheive enlightenment?" and everyone started laughing, including the monk! :D His response was the standard, "I am just a monk on a path. I make no claim to having acheived enlightenment."

Anyways, I thought that his reply to my answer was quite profound and immediately practical at the same time. In addition, it agrees with the famous injunction of the Greek Oracle at Delphi, "Man, know thyself and thou will know the universe and the Gods." It also agrees with the Hermetic axiom from the Emerald Tablet that I keep coming back to: "As below, so above; and as above so below. With this knowledge alone you may work miracles."

Luciftias

[Phoenix]

Got any suggestions on what to do when having reached a state where everything ones mind is turned to is instantly answered and known? It feels like having come to Void.


Why do you want to know?
You will never reach such a state!!!

That is the barrier that divides us from everything else, in a few years from now you will be tired of the search, tired of asking questions that no one can answer and you will eventually stop.

Unless you have a goal, an aim of some sort that can give you the strenght to uphold that "litle" enterprise...

Even if you were imortal, with an lifetime of search, you would´t be able to know everything, after a while the knowledge itself would be your downfall, pleaple how know too much of anything are considered "dangerous", well not quite more like a menace...

Have any of you stoped to think, that time of research, time online, lifetime actually, is being invested in something of a need to know!!! Time is precious and each of you have sacrificed a bit of time to atain the knowledge you have gathered today...

for me it is not the goal that counts but the path wich i choose to follow...

That is why i find life special and unic, that is why i try too enjoy every bit of it like it was the end of the world

to live and to die the eternal cycle of life...

[The Tengu]

When we find that we know everything, we should realize that we know nothing.

Many people fall into the trap of "learning" everything and becoming nothing... even less than they were before their "enlightenment".

Shit, I'm having flashbacks from OF...

[m1thr0s]

lol...yeah...have we learned nothing yet???

m1thr0s

[Phoenix]

lol...yeah...have we learned nothing yet???

m1thr0s


in my case ...
Not a thing...:p

[Amur]

Well... Looking back at matters, it is a state where one simply just knows everything. Knowing everything is however not the same as experiencing everything. So there are limitations available to what extent one knows everything. There is also a catch in the process of learning something which might also be a hinder to the knowing process. Other than that, it is a quite straightforward place where one can hold any question which will then be answered by pictures/what not. Though apparently the current world thinks that this state is dangerous and shouldn't be used. Reaching this state can also mold the surrounding enviroment to commit you to a mental hospital lol and generally try to destroy your life. Oh well.. Not so much to go at left before the whole thing comes crashing down. This is the point of revolution.

Many do forget that they are Gods, experiencing as humans. This might not be yet true for all, but it is true for some. Being a God does have something along with omnipotency. Naturally, reaching omnipotency in this realm can be quite disastrous, which is why the human vehicle needs to be tuned to ones own God-Being/Higher Self whatever. Looking at how the Sphere is part of this very reality, we can also reach to a tune with ones own, which in turn might give boosted skills in ones own region. Also looking at how ones own Sphere has one dimension as pure geometry, we might also conclude that it should be possible to transmit this data to other human beings. This would be something along the line of enlightening another human being instantly. If the planet is doomed if this doesn't happen, then why not let it happen. I do believe that the planet is awakening, which should be that humans be born awakened already. Tao is about to smash this place, and there is no way to turn it back. When the planet has awakened, Tao will come in from every dimension and possible pixel of beingness. This is why Kali Yuga has ended. Impossible to describe what will happen as it goes beyond words as a dropplet in a huge ocean. :bowdown:

This is the revolution (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LUmjeQp43r8&)

edit note: Sun shines and happy days ;)

[m1thr0s]

I think I do understand this state and I am reasonably convinced I access it fairly often...but...there is still the problem of interpretation, right? The human mind is trained a certain way...it has to filter knowledge through images that it has acquired in some way. It cannot really understand the language of stars, for instance, or of pure energy vibrations. We can imagine speaking to the wind but when the wind blows we do not really know what it says. Our minds are not adapted to knowing what a flower is feeling or what a cloud is thinking etc. Yet in this state of All-Knowledge...these things are perfectly apparent.

It's the bringing of that knowledge back down to earth that causes all the trouble...we may actually be accessing this more than any of us imagines but if we cannot understand what it is that we know...it is practically unknown to us.

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I think I do understand this state and I am reasonably convinced I access it fairly often...but...there is still the problem of interpretation, right? The human mind is trained a certain way...it has to filter knowledge through images that it has acquired in some way. It cannot really understand the language of stars, for instance, or of pure energy vibrations. We can imagine speaking to the wind but when the wind blows we do not really know what it says. Our minds are not adapted to knowing what a flower is feeling or what a cloud is thinking etc. Yet in this state of All-Knowledge...these things are perfectly apparent.

It's the bringing of that knowledge back down to earth that causes all the trouble...we may actually be accessing this more than any of us imagines but if we cannot understand what it is that we know...it is practically unknown to us.

m1thr0sThat's a very good point actually, and one I have noted myself concerning this state. What one gets better at over time is the transition from that state to the individual/waking consciousness of the human mind, and thus increases the amount of data that actually are remembered and consciously/successfully interpreted all the way to the other side. I remember that initially my biggest problem was "memory", my ability to recall exactly what was experienced or "known" when dwelling on the other side. My mind would refuse to process it, so upon returning I would be left only with the sensation, no particular knowledge or information being present. This improves though as one's practice improves one's abilities, managing an all the more functional and open interraction between the two states. I guess when such an interraction becomes "complete" along with the co-operation between the two states, it is then that the "star" consciousness will have actually been attained...

Kain

[The Tengu]

The amount of information retained after these events depends on how much you rely upon thinking.

[m1thr0s]

The amount of information retained after these events depends on how much you rely upon thinking.sure...thinking is the bridge though so it's not unimportant...thinking, at its best, is able to take you right to the very edge of non-thought itself. we would be completely non-functional animals if we had no ability to think. At any rate, we would be very different kinds of animals...

m1thr0s

[The Tengu]

I didn't say you don't need to think.

We just tend to think too much.

[m1thr0s]

it's true...we do. I have this little rant I get on sometimes about the difference between logic and logick. I don't know where we get the idea that we can achieve anything of value that does not mesh with intuition. Wherever it was, it needs to go back for a manufacturers' refund. If you can't blend Mind and Not-Mind together, neither one is worth the price of admission.

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

We think too much if thinking means endless pondering of the same problems without resolving them, always circling around without progressing for the reason that one basically enjoys ones melancholia and pseudo-suffering and inertia; respectively an inablity to switch off or enjoy the normal mundane and everyday things (seeing their eternal or adventurous side).

Yet in another sense we don’t think enough: I have encountered this sad phenomenon in lots of academics, they somehow had "read themselves to death". One only had to tip them with a tiny verbal suggestion (like "Schopenhauer", "Caravaggio" or "The Ice Age") and a flood of internalized and never questioned material flows out…but how often have they sat down and really thought about a certain problem I wonder? Thinking and concentrating in such a way (if you havent tried it out yet ;)) is incredibly exhausting but also very rewarding. I can recommend it to everyone. This sort of concentrated thinking also goes under various fancy Asian names, btw.

[Phoenix]

Then i have a question

knowing the function of the brain and what it retains, how can one become smarter?

:confused:

[Naomi]

Reducing distractions is a good way to become smarter. Recognizing information pollution and filtering it out automatically is a start.

Let's see, what else...

Some lyrics from an album called "Music for the Native Americans" by Robbie Robertson...it's popular on the rez's up in the NW:

In the autumn night
When there's no wind blowin'
I could hear the stars falling in the dark
When you find what's worth keeping
With a breath of kindness
Blow the rest away

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Got any suggestions on what to do when having reached a state where everything ones mind is turned to is instantly answered and known?

Yes. Amnesia.

[MythMath]

I don't remember...I don't recall...

I got no memory of anything at all...
_________________
peter gabriel

[Amur]

Yes. Amnesia.

Came to the conclusion also that it was the best thing. Keep it unknown and flowing does keep the magic intact.

[Okazaki Castle]

Got any suggestions on what to do when having reached a state where everything ones mind is turned to is instantly answered and known?

Seek to apply the especially fun parts of it in practice. Things like siddhis.

Knowledge of its own self is of little use or worth imo, other than academically. And, of course, why work to be merely a glorified library or computer, a la www.google.com (http://www.google.com) ? What is impressive, useful and fun is to apply the most powerful and dynamic knowledge to produce the life results you want. And that's what knoweldge attained should be put to I'd say... In short, self and life mastery.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

Reducing distractions is a good way to become smarter. Recognizing information pollution and filtering it out automatically is a start.
[...]Thats a very good one, Naomi. Its not the quantity of info but the quality. I know many who have a vast knowledge of the present deveolpment in the European noble houses or who know the dialougue of all episodes of "Buffy" (no, I actually dont- but Id like to meet you! ;))...or on a higher level: know various philosophical -isms and dates yet fail to connect them or extricate/filter whats more relevant and what isnt. Being able to do that is normally called "intelligence".

[Okazaki Castle]

Very nicely put Kuroyagi. As Nietzsche also said: "Because I am wise there are many things I do not wish to know". The benefits of being able to discriminate, decide and judge...

all the best,
Oazaki.