Kain
09-23-2006, 09:09 PM
This thread came about due to a discussion initially started in the thread I Ching & the Genetic Code... (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=271) , particularly generated by this (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2277&postcount=8) post of mine where I began discussing the general approach of inter-body and inter-plane relations concerning the fascilitation, building and controlling of the Body of Light through the principle of the 3 bodies (physical, subtle/astral and causal/mental). There, I discussed the differences of approach between the more common "parallel" approach of inter-plane interraction and the less practiced, known and pursued direct interlacability of those planes, one of the functions of which is, for example, the practice of telekinetics. Commenting on Ibisis's post (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=3080&postcount=10), I write the following:
First of all, Kain, I have to say I find what you write about "Parallel & United" approaches to the three bodies to be incredibly interesting, and quite clearI'm very glad to hear that Ibisis. I wasn't sure if my description made much sense to people reading it, it's good to know you found it clear.
Wild! This is a believable account of the mutability of physical laws, something which I tend to be skeptical about. I am a magician who tends to lean towards subtleties, and to cock an eyebrow at people who claim to be able to fly or throw things about with their minds. Don't get me wrong, weirdness happens, It is just very rarely THAT weird. That's certainly a way to go Ibisis, and usually the more trodden of the two routes. Indeed it is true that that kind of weirdness is especially hard to consciously occur and requires a quite special internal wiring to make it readily possible (that, as already discussed holds some equally formidable drawbacks) , and that is why most accounts of such phenomena you find discussed are usually stark exagerations and/or plain scams.
One thing I liked about the portrayal of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, is that he only actually does anything impossible ONCE, and that is when he creates a sort of Flare when they are snowed in by the mountain near Moriah. Then he says something like: "Well I might have just written "Gandalf was Here", all over the place". The rest of the time he proceeds by wisdom, coincidence, and 'subtle magick'. That's a realistic aspect I came to appreciate myself, and it is also something quite commonly perceived concerning the magical workings taking place in Tolkien's Middle Earth in general.
I do not mean at all to denigrate the approach you have described. It makes sense, if you were to totally collapse the separation between mind, body, and unconscious, you would have some serious siddhi's on the go, but at the same time, YIKES, That could not be terribly comfortable, and you would need to be very ballanced to keep afloat. The parallel method allows, I think for more of a margin of error, since you can experiment in one field in an isolated fashion before determining to impliment the results. That is precisely correct as far as my experience on the matter goes as well. The balances needed are immense, and the failures are as magnificently all-encompassing as the successes are. Such a configuration is deeply wired on the direct integration of Strength, and Strength goes both ways I guess...
Just a question then, Kain, what kind of measures do you need to take to stay 'on the level' in terms of working with a fully interlaced threefold body? What are the essential practices that enable you to do so without loss of ballance? Would you say that the full interlacing is somewhere that we are all heading towards, or is it vice versa, or something else alltogether. I for one can now see it as an option, but I'm not sure it's one I will necessarily take. Tell me more, I'm facinated.Well, first of all I personally think that this full interlacability is where we are eventually headed as a species. Full conscious integration of all aspects of Self would pretty much produce such an effect I think. However that is the target, and not necessarily the way to reach it, and that is something that must be stressed I think. In fact, considering the frequent sheer hostility of our current environment, it is important to choose our way/approach towards that target from a very strategic outset, taking into account our current personal place, strengths and weaknesses and acting in an appropriate fashion. The "parralel" approach is in no doubt the more appropriate one for "generic" purposes and certainly the more frequently known and used/practiced, as it's very structure is considerate of such enviromental factors and tends to naturally contain the main influence of occurances' effects in their respectful originating areas. Contact is certainly allowed between the planes, and it can often be quite extensive and co-influencial, but there are natural isolation mechanisms at work and they have a very important reason to be there.
The "unified" approach makes an extensive use of the basic mathematical laws pertaining to the relationship between dimensions, and more particularly, of certain co-ordinates and those co-ordinates' varying points of perception based on different sets of mathematical dimensions. The simplest example I could find to portray this subject matter a bit better is this:
Let us take two points in two-dimensional space. Admittedly, as long as we opperate on the basis of 2 dimensions, the shortest distance between the two points is of course the straight line. However, from the point of view of a 3-dimensional space basis, and how the 2 dimensional subspace of a, say, piece of paper can be willfully warped (folded) through the application of the 3rd dimension, we can say that the shortest distance between two points is, in fact, 0, as the two-dimensional subspace can be folded in order to have the two readily interact. Another interesting thing to note (since the actual and direct folding of spacial dimensions to fit our goals might seem a bit too drastic and unrealistic a subject) is that, although the straight line distance is downright obligatory for a two dimensional basis system, a 3-dimensional construct could simply move out of (and back into) the 2D system at will, not fully defined nor constrained by the latter in any way.
Since all this is readily applicable in not just the 2nd to 3rd dimensions basis, but in fact in the nth to (n+1)th basis, it is fair to say that through the conscious, synchronized and fully interlaced application of more than the commonly perceived and accepted set of dimensions/planes we are said to operate through would have us readily interact with objects seemingly clearly apart when viewed from the standpoint of a lower dimensional basis. It is this principle that the "unified" approach takes further and it is in fact through this principle that direct inter-plane interractions such as telekinetics function through.
So, lower sets of dimensions are subsets of higher sets of dimensions. This means that from the standpoint of the higher dimensions set, the lower dimensions remain the same and keep ticking away in their own personal rhythms (when allowed to), yet as part of a larger, more complex and equally consciously perceived system. In this way, the so-called “higher realms” can be thought of not as simply higher planes that function in a parallel fashion but as a more complete (or, “informed”) conscious viewpoint of the same essential reality.
Another important aspect to keep in mind is that the “unified” approach takes the theory and practice of training harmonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic) to the very end of it’s spectrum of possible applications. As we know from music, harmonics are component pitches of a harmonic tone which sound at whole number multiples above, or "within", the named note being played on a musical instrument. Through the application of a certain frequency, it’s harmonics are also affected and the effect finds it’s way towards manifestation on all “planes/dimensions” related and essentially inter-connected by this law of harmonics. Such is the way the 3 bodies interract as well, and that is why what happens in one essentially influences the functions of the other 2…to a degree. Through finetuning the vibratory tuning points of the particular bodies we all the more increase the extent of mutual interraction and synchronistic relationship between them. Thus, bringing them closer and defusing the isolation mechanisms pertaining to them. This increases harmonic vibratory amplitude, resulting in a more intensely manifest and perceptible effect. Of course, this goes for both intended and non-intended effects, so a losing of balance in any of the bodies results in intense psychosomatic effects that can be quite overwhelming at points.
Now, I think it is time for talking about a bit more practical aspects, as the theoritical bases are sort of covered. As I said, this approach requires a good keeping of balance, because losing that balance can be both a lot easier and a lot more frustrating if it occurs. Shielding directed towards filtering input from all 3 levels simultaneously is especially important, as input from any of the 3 heights has a direct effect on the other two. That, combined with knowing when and how to localize an effect if need be conclude measures to be taken for preventing negative effects.
The essential practices include first of all a semi-independent perception of all 3 bodies and their respective local enviromental variables, tendencies and characteristics. Then, after the three have been sufficiently perceived in their respective parralel locations, one should try to opperate with all 3 at once, making use of their very similar anatomy and harmonic vibratory frequency to allow one to all the more openly influence the other. It is naturally evident that the bodies overlap to a degree (http://Kain.zoints.com/album/?imgid=30626), but during the synchronization session one tries to actively interlace them in one synchronistic and integrated body, a process similar to the interlation of a number of already harmonically tuned waveforms. By imposing one upon the other while having ascertained the best possible harmonic feedback, a general inter-amplification is achieved and is evident on all 3 bodies as a whole, one body’s activity now naturally urging the others into further motion. This is a very difficult state to achieve and maintain even for very small amounts of time. It offers an exceptionally deep and naturally fluent altered state of consciousness that is both crisp in physical perception yet still offering so much more information and direct influence on surroundings. Psychosomatic and generally all directly physically perceptible effects are most intense at this stage, although still relative to the personal skill of the practitioner of course. I’ve had various very interesting phenomena occur through this state, including some quite unintended ones. The almond bud (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2027&postcount=2) incident was admittedly quite fun although I’ve had some quite frustrating energy burns (like the one I previously portrayed (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2253&postcount=6)on my back) through misdirected energy in this state.
When concentration is lost one usually falls back to a state similar to the “parralel” mode/approach, the bodies shifting back to their previous singular modes of perception, consciousness tending to identify with the physical one primarrily and with the other two in a more remote fashion.
Okay, M1thr0s has brought up the 'Bi-directional method', which I mentioned to him. This might be a way, Kain, of coordinating the parrallel bodies such that they move in tandem, on the one hand, without requiring 'translation', but on the other hand being totally de-interlaced (and still functional). I need to think about that more. Basically, WHen I encounter opposites, I tend on to try to avoid priviledging one of them if I can. This often involves a sort of energy ambidexterity. That’s a good point Ibisis, and bidirectional movement/expansion is of quite a paramount importance in this field. I’m not sure about this but I think harmonics do work both way, meaning that they affect both higher and lower frequencies relating to the initially vibrant one. Also, ascending and descending currents need to be worked simultaneously and neither should be favoured over the other in any way.
I hope this is somewhat clear. It becomes useful also in adressing the issue of Whether to run the NU KUA arrangement from Kun through Ch'ien, or vice versa: you can do both at once. I Use this method all the time. I use it with the tarot, in pairing opposite paths and I use it with the twinstar. I consider it to be a sort of ambidexterity, and it has a nice ability to add the Jen component to a method that tends to be either 'one way or the other'. I really like your approach Ibisis and I hadn’t thought about the Nu Kua arrangement in this way until now! Very interesting. Mono-directional movement’s particular steps are very important to properly define although I guess we often forget the ambidextrous approach towards things and the very unique advantages pertaining to it.
Notice that I have pointed at two different approaches to this third method: the one is to build Yin and Yang silmultaneously, and the other is to build from the top to bottom and the bottom to top silmultaneously. Using BOTH these methods at once will produce the 4 hexagrams in 6 steps.
Working with the Abrahadabra key is one good way to effect this ambidexterity. It definitely takes some practice to be able to picture all this at once.I’ve sort of worked with the first one but not the second one. Very interesting stuff Ibisis…certainly a lot of food for thought for me…
Kain
First of all, Kain, I have to say I find what you write about "Parallel & United" approaches to the three bodies to be incredibly interesting, and quite clearI'm very glad to hear that Ibisis. I wasn't sure if my description made much sense to people reading it, it's good to know you found it clear.
Wild! This is a believable account of the mutability of physical laws, something which I tend to be skeptical about. I am a magician who tends to lean towards subtleties, and to cock an eyebrow at people who claim to be able to fly or throw things about with their minds. Don't get me wrong, weirdness happens, It is just very rarely THAT weird. That's certainly a way to go Ibisis, and usually the more trodden of the two routes. Indeed it is true that that kind of weirdness is especially hard to consciously occur and requires a quite special internal wiring to make it readily possible (that, as already discussed holds some equally formidable drawbacks) , and that is why most accounts of such phenomena you find discussed are usually stark exagerations and/or plain scams.
One thing I liked about the portrayal of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, is that he only actually does anything impossible ONCE, and that is when he creates a sort of Flare when they are snowed in by the mountain near Moriah. Then he says something like: "Well I might have just written "Gandalf was Here", all over the place". The rest of the time he proceeds by wisdom, coincidence, and 'subtle magick'. That's a realistic aspect I came to appreciate myself, and it is also something quite commonly perceived concerning the magical workings taking place in Tolkien's Middle Earth in general.
I do not mean at all to denigrate the approach you have described. It makes sense, if you were to totally collapse the separation between mind, body, and unconscious, you would have some serious siddhi's on the go, but at the same time, YIKES, That could not be terribly comfortable, and you would need to be very ballanced to keep afloat. The parallel method allows, I think for more of a margin of error, since you can experiment in one field in an isolated fashion before determining to impliment the results. That is precisely correct as far as my experience on the matter goes as well. The balances needed are immense, and the failures are as magnificently all-encompassing as the successes are. Such a configuration is deeply wired on the direct integration of Strength, and Strength goes both ways I guess...
Just a question then, Kain, what kind of measures do you need to take to stay 'on the level' in terms of working with a fully interlaced threefold body? What are the essential practices that enable you to do so without loss of ballance? Would you say that the full interlacing is somewhere that we are all heading towards, or is it vice versa, or something else alltogether. I for one can now see it as an option, but I'm not sure it's one I will necessarily take. Tell me more, I'm facinated.Well, first of all I personally think that this full interlacability is where we are eventually headed as a species. Full conscious integration of all aspects of Self would pretty much produce such an effect I think. However that is the target, and not necessarily the way to reach it, and that is something that must be stressed I think. In fact, considering the frequent sheer hostility of our current environment, it is important to choose our way/approach towards that target from a very strategic outset, taking into account our current personal place, strengths and weaknesses and acting in an appropriate fashion. The "parralel" approach is in no doubt the more appropriate one for "generic" purposes and certainly the more frequently known and used/practiced, as it's very structure is considerate of such enviromental factors and tends to naturally contain the main influence of occurances' effects in their respectful originating areas. Contact is certainly allowed between the planes, and it can often be quite extensive and co-influencial, but there are natural isolation mechanisms at work and they have a very important reason to be there.
The "unified" approach makes an extensive use of the basic mathematical laws pertaining to the relationship between dimensions, and more particularly, of certain co-ordinates and those co-ordinates' varying points of perception based on different sets of mathematical dimensions. The simplest example I could find to portray this subject matter a bit better is this:
Let us take two points in two-dimensional space. Admittedly, as long as we opperate on the basis of 2 dimensions, the shortest distance between the two points is of course the straight line. However, from the point of view of a 3-dimensional space basis, and how the 2 dimensional subspace of a, say, piece of paper can be willfully warped (folded) through the application of the 3rd dimension, we can say that the shortest distance between two points is, in fact, 0, as the two-dimensional subspace can be folded in order to have the two readily interact. Another interesting thing to note (since the actual and direct folding of spacial dimensions to fit our goals might seem a bit too drastic and unrealistic a subject) is that, although the straight line distance is downright obligatory for a two dimensional basis system, a 3-dimensional construct could simply move out of (and back into) the 2D system at will, not fully defined nor constrained by the latter in any way.
Since all this is readily applicable in not just the 2nd to 3rd dimensions basis, but in fact in the nth to (n+1)th basis, it is fair to say that through the conscious, synchronized and fully interlaced application of more than the commonly perceived and accepted set of dimensions/planes we are said to operate through would have us readily interact with objects seemingly clearly apart when viewed from the standpoint of a lower dimensional basis. It is this principle that the "unified" approach takes further and it is in fact through this principle that direct inter-plane interractions such as telekinetics function through.
So, lower sets of dimensions are subsets of higher sets of dimensions. This means that from the standpoint of the higher dimensions set, the lower dimensions remain the same and keep ticking away in their own personal rhythms (when allowed to), yet as part of a larger, more complex and equally consciously perceived system. In this way, the so-called “higher realms” can be thought of not as simply higher planes that function in a parallel fashion but as a more complete (or, “informed”) conscious viewpoint of the same essential reality.
Another important aspect to keep in mind is that the “unified” approach takes the theory and practice of training harmonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic) to the very end of it’s spectrum of possible applications. As we know from music, harmonics are component pitches of a harmonic tone which sound at whole number multiples above, or "within", the named note being played on a musical instrument. Through the application of a certain frequency, it’s harmonics are also affected and the effect finds it’s way towards manifestation on all “planes/dimensions” related and essentially inter-connected by this law of harmonics. Such is the way the 3 bodies interract as well, and that is why what happens in one essentially influences the functions of the other 2…to a degree. Through finetuning the vibratory tuning points of the particular bodies we all the more increase the extent of mutual interraction and synchronistic relationship between them. Thus, bringing them closer and defusing the isolation mechanisms pertaining to them. This increases harmonic vibratory amplitude, resulting in a more intensely manifest and perceptible effect. Of course, this goes for both intended and non-intended effects, so a losing of balance in any of the bodies results in intense psychosomatic effects that can be quite overwhelming at points.
Now, I think it is time for talking about a bit more practical aspects, as the theoritical bases are sort of covered. As I said, this approach requires a good keeping of balance, because losing that balance can be both a lot easier and a lot more frustrating if it occurs. Shielding directed towards filtering input from all 3 levels simultaneously is especially important, as input from any of the 3 heights has a direct effect on the other two. That, combined with knowing when and how to localize an effect if need be conclude measures to be taken for preventing negative effects.
The essential practices include first of all a semi-independent perception of all 3 bodies and their respective local enviromental variables, tendencies and characteristics. Then, after the three have been sufficiently perceived in their respective parralel locations, one should try to opperate with all 3 at once, making use of their very similar anatomy and harmonic vibratory frequency to allow one to all the more openly influence the other. It is naturally evident that the bodies overlap to a degree (http://Kain.zoints.com/album/?imgid=30626), but during the synchronization session one tries to actively interlace them in one synchronistic and integrated body, a process similar to the interlation of a number of already harmonically tuned waveforms. By imposing one upon the other while having ascertained the best possible harmonic feedback, a general inter-amplification is achieved and is evident on all 3 bodies as a whole, one body’s activity now naturally urging the others into further motion. This is a very difficult state to achieve and maintain even for very small amounts of time. It offers an exceptionally deep and naturally fluent altered state of consciousness that is both crisp in physical perception yet still offering so much more information and direct influence on surroundings. Psychosomatic and generally all directly physically perceptible effects are most intense at this stage, although still relative to the personal skill of the practitioner of course. I’ve had various very interesting phenomena occur through this state, including some quite unintended ones. The almond bud (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2027&postcount=2) incident was admittedly quite fun although I’ve had some quite frustrating energy burns (like the one I previously portrayed (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2253&postcount=6)on my back) through misdirected energy in this state.
When concentration is lost one usually falls back to a state similar to the “parralel” mode/approach, the bodies shifting back to their previous singular modes of perception, consciousness tending to identify with the physical one primarrily and with the other two in a more remote fashion.
Okay, M1thr0s has brought up the 'Bi-directional method', which I mentioned to him. This might be a way, Kain, of coordinating the parrallel bodies such that they move in tandem, on the one hand, without requiring 'translation', but on the other hand being totally de-interlaced (and still functional). I need to think about that more. Basically, WHen I encounter opposites, I tend on to try to avoid priviledging one of them if I can. This often involves a sort of energy ambidexterity. That’s a good point Ibisis, and bidirectional movement/expansion is of quite a paramount importance in this field. I’m not sure about this but I think harmonics do work both way, meaning that they affect both higher and lower frequencies relating to the initially vibrant one. Also, ascending and descending currents need to be worked simultaneously and neither should be favoured over the other in any way.
I hope this is somewhat clear. It becomes useful also in adressing the issue of Whether to run the NU KUA arrangement from Kun through Ch'ien, or vice versa: you can do both at once. I Use this method all the time. I use it with the tarot, in pairing opposite paths and I use it with the twinstar. I consider it to be a sort of ambidexterity, and it has a nice ability to add the Jen component to a method that tends to be either 'one way or the other'. I really like your approach Ibisis and I hadn’t thought about the Nu Kua arrangement in this way until now! Very interesting. Mono-directional movement’s particular steps are very important to properly define although I guess we often forget the ambidextrous approach towards things and the very unique advantages pertaining to it.
Notice that I have pointed at two different approaches to this third method: the one is to build Yin and Yang silmultaneously, and the other is to build from the top to bottom and the bottom to top silmultaneously. Using BOTH these methods at once will produce the 4 hexagrams in 6 steps.
Working with the Abrahadabra key is one good way to effect this ambidexterity. It definitely takes some practice to be able to picture all this at once.I’ve sort of worked with the first one but not the second one. Very interesting stuff Ibisis…certainly a lot of food for thought for me…
Kain