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Looking at the mathematical definition of eternity which is an eight 8 sideways. It's 2 cycles interlocked together forming eternity itself (symbolically looking). We all know that to know unity we need dualism, and to know dualism we need unity or trinity. From within it is impossible to look without, without the without... Perhaps it's impossible to look within from without, without the within... Therefore the Kingdom is both Within and Without. Both Spiritual and Material.
Anyway.. By geometrically applying points according to numbers, we arrive at the Circle as being Infinity and Void as being it's counter-polarity with non-existence. Naturally Void is infinite because it doesn't exist. Not sure how existence was defined before ppl came up with the concept of Void lol..
Now that we've got Bi-Polar disease going on everywhere. We might as well check into some other symbolical ideologies of the english language. To begin with DoG as in GoD has it's centre point around Infinity. If we want to sex it up, why not add D-o-G as in G-o-D. Well we all know what the G and D stands for. If you don't, I suppose you need to practice some sexual-withdrawal to get some creativity going on *grin*. Anyway, looking at how CaT again has it's point of center at the first letter of the A-LpHa-Beth. It obviously wants to be first with a See(Sea) and Tea-triangle-party going on. Not sure if it was intended or if even gives a damn about the whole thing, as long as it gets to torture some mice and eat them up. Naturally having a CaT | GoD would be _VERY_ scary. As it would probably torture people before eating them just as a means of playing around with it's own omnipotency. Scary thoughts.. Wonder who came up with the En-glish language in the First Place?!? Must be a O-n-E(Oh-n-Eve) fucked up individual. Now if you are not completely crazy from this symbolical linking process and lost in the fractal Guru-Recursive India Psychedelity Tunnel. Then you should soon arrive at the next step which would be the Dog | Tac. Looking at Dogs and their Tactics, they are highly social and like to play different and various games together. They tend to play around and have some general-fun together as well as being excellent Hunters together. So what could Tac stand for then? Here's a few acronyms to give a clue (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=TAC). Good luck ;)
Anyway, Flipping the whole polarity / mirroring system, we arrive at a Final Destination with Dog and Cat as in Dog | Cat or Cat | Dog. Well, looking at how they share a common territory with Birds and Other Mammals and very neat 3es and Stones and a whole U-n-I-Verse, We have Quite the Garden of Eternity Go-i-n-g O-N here at Earth, Eve-Adam-r-T-Heh... So, basically we Inhabit Eternity itself right here at Earth, and looking at how fucked up things are we are all fucking screwed, that is IF Nature itself decides that we need to
piss off...
The lesson of this? We are living inside ourselves and screwing the shit up if the Way of the Collective doesn't change. Sure we can wait for Savior to Come and Save Us, but what will there be to save if the whole shit explodes? *Grin*
Buzzing too much... I'll have to add later on to this thread lol.
Looking at the mathematical definition of eternity which is an eight 8 sideways. It's 2 cycles interlocked together forming eternity itself (symbolically looking). We all know that to know unity we need dualism, and to know dualism we need unity or trinity. From within it is impossible to look without, without the without... Perhaps it's impossible to look within from without, without the within... Therefore the Kingdom is both Within and Without. Both Spiritual and Material.Certainly. The lesson of this? We are living inside ourselves and screwing the shit up if the Way of the Collective doesn't change. Sure we can wait for Savior to Come and Save Us, but what will there be to save if the whole shit explodes? *Grin*Yup...I guess so Amur...lol...in fact, thinking that that supposed savior is as frustrated and clueless as the manifest "Us" inhabiting this place, things aren't looking very good either...I guess it all comes down to Self-Liberation, as always.
Kain
Hmm... Started thinking yesterday that from my own experiences with different religious activities and their energetical imprint on humans and on other issues, I/we seem to confront a dilemma or paradox which atleast in my fantasy world seems to be off-balance energetically. Looking at how everyone comes with their own frequency and type of sound to this world, we might also conclude that it would be in everyones best to always keep that same thing vibrating it through their life here. Making the sound clearer isn't of course against the issue here but what I've seen with many activities which have become massive corporations/religious egregores in themselves, seem to be afraid more or less of this total independence.
Whilst I'm Eternal and God experiencing himself, meaning that I'm basically everyone and everything in existence, I can't go on spreading like that from my own life-time as I'm only really responsible of myself as an Individual. If I go on spreading my own being, I would have to correct everyones mistakes and at the same time I would spread my own being from this lifetime into their own lifetime and perhaps make a unified signal of Me but at the sametime the individual's voice would be lost.
So this is why I propose omnipotency as a Cat at a personal level, being unified through God at the whole level, through everyone's independence in itself. Which means that Hermetic Alchemy is a one of the many corner-stones in realizing ones own potential. Whilst God might save us, We are saving God from the inside. I wouldn't go there, even though many things seem to already represent that I'm deep in the shit, but expanding through the human-collective, feeding them with Myself. Imo everyone should be Myself as Themselves, whereas Myself would be Hidden and Themselves would be clearly visible. Though things get much complicated when looking at the diversity of nature itself heh.
The picture I laid out is a bit messy, but what I'm describing is a unified God Outside, and a unified Individual God Inside. This way everyone would be happy. No more Super-corporations ruling the globe...So God is Hidden, and stays Hidden, everyone survives, and things get a lot more happier than what they have been. The same recursivity process could be applied to Cultures blending together. That helps to restore the originality of the cultural nugget and removes any cultural territorial breaches/offendings. That which has already taken the nugget out of the other Culture and adapted it, or vice versa, would of course get to the Gem in both Cultures.
It's fascinating how your mind works at points Amur, I think I've told you before :)
This certainly does make sense in a way, and I think that to an extent it is also how things are currently universally wired as we speak. Meaning that Individuality and Universality interract in an extremely interesting and equally complicated way the higher we seem to get plane-wise. It is undoubtable that one's identification with the "All" increases the higher we get, and still this process is also often defined as the maturation of the Individual, and referred to as the process and fascilitation of true *Individuation*...
Kain
It's fascinating how your mind works at points Amur, I think I've told you before :)
This certainly does make sense in a way, and I think that to an extent it is also how things are currently universally wired as we speak. Meaning that Individuality and Universality interract in an extremely interesting and equally complicated way the higher we seem to get plane-wise. It is undoubtable that one's identification with the "All" increases the higher we get, and still this process is also often defined as the maturation of the Individual, and referred to as the process and fascilitation of true *Individuation*...
Thanks. I don't think I've heard that kind of feedback enough lol. It's hard enough to stay grounded within oneself when being aurically as holed as a coca-cola can with carbondioxide splashing around with negative suckers taking up all the negative information around the surroundings. *grin*
As said, I worked a very long time to get things go together. and I hate to see that there are some who only seek power and greed and control over other's experiences here. If I feel enlightened when I come to USA and spill my rage over the controllators there, I feel that things aren't really as they SHOULD be here on this planet. While I'm very friendly towards the violators and agree to co-work with them on cleaning up the mess which they have caused (and that I have caused myself), there is a point of no-return when everything will become messed up and just simply go kab-oom.
The planet as it is is very ill in many different regards, anyone helping it physically is very welcome in doing so. Things are way out of balance and I hate to see these cocky space-invaders come here like they would own the place and know all about what is going on here. This has happened already way too many times. Of course they are welcome to stay if they can respect what it has to give. Perhaps I should visit their planet and kick it off balance and see how much they would like it. But in the end it's quite a childish game. An eye for an eye would only make the whole world go blind or something lol.
But in the end it's quite a childish game. An eye for an eye would only make the whole world go blind or something lol.Damn, that was a quite well put comment actually...hehe...
OK, you lost me slightly here...which space invaders coming from what planet?
Kain
Damn, that was a quite well put comment actually...hehe...
OK, you lost me slightly here...which space invaders coming from what planet?
Kain
Dunno, if you live in USA, you might want to ask your Goverment lol. As when you are on it, ask the technology they gave to the Goverment as a treaty or whatever crap it was. Somekind of masscontrol crap. Blabla... Wonder when the people will find out.. Or I wonder when they will send a rocket coming through my house roof lol. Luckily I live in a peaceful land :D Perhaps I should watch out for ppl with black cars and costumes rofl...
Ahh live is sweet again, can't wait to die..
Lemme tell you a story..
I just chatted yesterday with a girl, who even though she didn't know me at all, said some very deep points about my own life, and what happened 3 years ago. and why I got committed to the mental hospital and so on. Straight on to the whole event. Even as I replied my own emotions about it, she responded to those too with the same accuracy of the same agency who governed and manifested the whole process. Quite werd. After they made me crazy, they even say that I have antagonized the one who loved me the most even though I've been completely crazy for the last 3 years without any connection to the emotions or body, with again and again trying to get me away from myself and my own body with various means. Naturally driving a vehicle without energetical defenses, so that I could get as much information as possible from everything going around. It will be freely available soon to anyone needing it.
I live in Greece Amur, we both live in Europe...
Slightly clearer, although I guess that's as far as it can be rephrased...hehe...
Kain
wow, you live in greece, huh dude? very close to athens...?
Have you heard of kostas danaos (or something like that...?) He wrote the book 'the magus of java'?
He lives in athens, and though I have heard he has seriously hurt himself with his spiritual practice, I am sure he would be an extraordinary dude to meet.
Well, I in fact live in Athens :)
I had not heard of him until now that you mentioned him [...] but I made some research and the guy seems quite interesting. Also working in the field of manipulating the body's energy field and the conduct of abilities like telekinesis it seems...he also proposes scientific explanations of how such powers work. Very interesting indeed! Thanks for pointing him out!
Kain
Qaexl
10-08-2006, 05:17 AM
I had not heard of him until now that you mentioned him [...] but I made some research and the guy seems quite interesting.
Check out this thread (http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3286) (WWK is a Shaolin/Taiji guy). The thread discusses the "mobile dantian" as a physical manifestation and parallels with the Java Magus's methodology.
-Qaexl
That's a great link Qaexl, thanks a LOT for sharing that!
All this about the "thunder path" sound so very similar to kundalini work to some respects...also, the "explosive" reaction encountered when fusing the dantien with the perineum center which is said to be highly dangerous and even become the cause of instant death to a lot of aspirant practitioners is almost identical to my experience with a severe kundalini accident/misdirection which as I've said before has left a permanent mark. This is all very interesting stuff...thanks Qaexl, much appreciated...
Kain
baenheh
10-08-2006, 05:15 PM
I have heard of this as being called an immortal fetus or dragon body.
After continually circulating the fiery essence through the microcosmic orbit for a prescribed period of time, thereby purifying the physical body, the taoist proceeded with the creation of the immortal dragon body. To creat this etheric body, the yogi withdrew the transmuted essence out of the microcosmic orbit and stored it within the lower abdomen. In time this store of purified essence accumulated to a point of critical mass and spontaneously metamorphised into an 'immortal fetus' a name for the immortal dragon body. This dragon body was termed fetus because it matures in the abdomen, the area where a pregnant mother carries a developing child.
Once the gestation period of the immortal fetus has been completed and the dragon body of pure life force was fully matured, the taoist yogi learned how to detach it from its physical sheath and move it in and out through the top of the head. Then over time the taoist yogi acquired the ability to move interdimensionally and travel within the dragon body to far off places in the universe. Finally at the end of the yogi's life the dragon body was permanently separated from its physical sheath and the yogi travelled to the eternal home in the heavenly regions of the immortals.
Qaexl
10-21-2006, 07:08 PM
I have heard of this as being called an immortal fetus or dragon body.
After continually circulating the fiery essence through the microcosmic orbit for a prescribed period of time, thereby purifying the physical body, the taoist proceeded with the creation of the immortal dragon body. To creat this etheric body, the yogi withdrew the transmuted essence out of the microcosmic orbit and stored it within the lower abdomen. In time this store of purified essence accumulated to a point of critical mass and spontaneously metamorphised into an 'immortal fetus' a name for the immortal dragon body. This dragon body was termed fetus because it matures in the abdomen, the area where a pregnant mother carries a developing child.
I can see where the "dragon body" comes from, as there are several different referants with the label for "dragon body" For example, the Taoist martial art baguazhang also has a specific term called "dragon body" that is related but not related to this alchemical transmutation. Would you mind citing source? There's numerous Taoist alchemical sects, often with intricately linked similiarities and dissimilarities.
This one is take from Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic, the translator and commentator, Stuart Alve Olson took from two sources: the Mind Seal Classic and a chapter called The Three Treasures from the most recent Taoist Cannon: http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Immortal_Fetus :
The skills of refining ching (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Refining_ching) and transmuting qi (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Transmuting_qi) are ordinarily divided into three stages of Gathering the Three Yang [San Ts'ai Yang]. The first type of yang is "to guard low in the tan-t'ien (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Tan-t%27ien)." The second is "to produce yang" or "to return the one yang." The third is "to gather the yang," which is also called "togather the herbs and bring them to the stove."-Qaexl
m1thr0s
10-21-2006, 08:07 PM
I found all the hubbub about secrecy and the necessity for secrecy a little annoying. In a world where accidental nuclear holocaust is a hiccup away, they are still going on about crap like this? People are going to have to get over this bs but quick or it really will be too late for any of it to matter.
Hermeticism has suffered under the same kinds of taboos and what good did it finally accomplish? Most of its secret knowledge has simply disappeared from the face of the earth.
But other than that, the rest of the post was fascinating...
m1thr0s
Qaexl
10-21-2006, 08:54 PM
I found all the hubbub about secrecy and the necessity for secrecy a little annoying. In a world where accidental nuclear holocaust is a hiccup away, they are still going on about crap like this? People are going to have to get over this bs but quick or it really will be too late for any of it to matter.
Although the Magus of Java kept his mouth shut on the "thunder path", I've seen references to the sound of thunder as one of the attainments in Taoist internal alchemy. For example:
This experience is the result of the yang hou (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php?title=Yang_hou&action=edit) (advancing the yang), which is to say that the yang shen (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/%E9%99%BD%E7%A5%9E) (positive vitality) has reached to the ni wan (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Ni_wan) cavity. It is not, however, an indication of the Elixir (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Elixir) having been formed. There is no need to attempt duplicating the experience; to do so will only result in becoming attached to joy (one of the seven p'o (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/P%27o) spirits) and will eventually bring about fanaticism and mental illness. Let it go; there is much work ahead. Progress by bringing the light into the Golden Court (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Golden_Court), letting it drop down into the tan-t'ien (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Tan-t%27ien). When it does, there will be a sound like thunder (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php?title=Thunder_Path&action=edit), then the embryo can be formed. A physical sign that someone has reached this level is the left eye frequently remaining closed. This is because of an unconscious desire to retain the light of the yang shen (http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/%E9%99%BD%E7%A5%9E), preventing its outward dissipation through the eye.http://hiddenstorehouse.com/somatic_way/index.php/Mind_Seal_Classic:Olson-13
In here, the thunder happens when the light enters the Golden Court then drops into the dantian; the general description of the "Thunder Path" is forming a mobile dantian, cutting it loose, then dropping it to the perineum where it creates something highly charged.
I should note: I have had experiences while meditating shocking myself. It was not as bad as getting hit with lightening and getting 1st degree burns ... but it is close. Out of sheer consideration for safety, I understand the necessity for secrecy.
At the same time, I've noticed the best secrets are out in the open. How do you explain to someone the experience of non-duality? You really can't. Someone describing it such would eventually devolve to ... it is the big mystery and secret. Just like one of the word for "mystery" in Chinese, 密, which suggests the image of "silence enshrouding the peak of the mountain (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Special/pictures/SketchOfTaoistRubbing72-12in.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Special/pictures/SketchOfTaoistRubbing72-12in.html&h=1662&w=864&sz=1368&hl=en&sig2=PbjQbPU3YLPMgNJykdGKKQ&start=6&tbnid=DW7O4BVStxViyM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=78&ei=K8A6RY3-ApTEaN_TuaYJ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwhite%2Bcloud%2Bmonastery%26svnum%3D1 0%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)", where "silence" is formed by "revelation" (as in, the character for splitting), and covering that revalation. Golden Silence; things come in the form of images and no sound, and even those are empty.
Another example comes from the first verse of Tao Te Ching:
<table class="translate" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="translate"><td class="translate-source">玄之又玄</td><td class="translate-translation">The mystery of mysteries</td></tr> <tr class="translate"> <td class="translate-source">眾妙之門</td><td class="translate-translation">is the gateway of marvels.</td></tr></tbody></table>
Here, Dr. Thomas Cleary rendered the English fairly close to the feel... yet misses out a lot of things due to the inadequacies of English. For example, the words 眾妙 ... the first word 眾 one suggests the image of three people (a crowd) under a sun; the second word 妙 is the image of a young woman (that is, the mysterious seductiveness of a young woman). To me, that juxtaposition creates the sense of ... something everyone can see, right in front of them ... yet so subtle, they cannot see it. No one is trying to deliberately hide The Secret, except oneself.
-Qaexl
m1thr0s
10-22-2006, 01:42 AM
well, I like Chi stuff in general cuz it's real. I think there is some confusion regarding Body of Light vs Chi but it's no sweat to me personally. But the Body of Light is physical...it's not just some airy-fairy astral metaphor or whatever, although I think this is a fairly common misconception...
m1thr0s
Qaexl
10-22-2006, 07:53 AM
well, I like Chi stuff in general cuz it's real. I think there is some confusion regarding Body of Light vs Chi but it's no sweat to me personally. But the Body of Light is physical...it's not just some airy-fairy astral metaphor or whatever, although I think this is a fairly common misconception...
m1thr0s
By physical ... you mean that if someone were to say, go into a dark room and expose a film, they would see the light emitting from the person? Do you mean something else?
-Qaexl
well, I like Chi stuff in general cuz it's real. I think there is some confusion regarding Body of Light vs Chi but it's no sweat to me personally. But the Body of Light is physical...it's not just some airy-fairy astral metaphor or whatever, although I think this is a fairly common misconception...
m1thr0s
I could add also that the Body of Light is also mental, which again might only be a bridge to the physical aspect of it. All too many people go around manipulating their 'chakras' thinking they are too subtle to exist in the physical body, while again I think that they are only links to the nervous-centres in the spine. The same goes with the crown, it is definately physical and one can quite obviously see the effects of it when it goes off. This physical crown is definately no path to the collective consciousness, but a direct path to the stars above. So I find it highly unsurprising to notice that someone has come up with a 'dream' crown which is the 'so called' connection to God/Whatever/Whomever sitting on top giving misdirections. While the dream crown doesn't exist, the real physical crown exists. Think my piss-o-meter just made another nutch upwards...
I think most prefere to manipulate the Body of Light via mental visualizations.
Another very important fact (for me atleast) was that when going to the emotional/abstract end of the polarity. I was God, and this was all My Dream(the same of course for everyone as it was embedded in the brainhalves as I see it). The other polarity was all nothingness with nothing existing but somekind of structures upon structures upon structures, basing a foundation for reality. In the middle was I, which was this point in time at the infinite Now. I do believe strongly that ppl are slowly awakening and that the future(after the holocaust) will be 'quite bright' :D
Qaexl
10-22-2006, 12:02 PM
I could add also that the Body of Light is also mental, which again might only be a bridge to the physical aspect of it. All too many people go around manipulating their 'chakras' thinking they are too subtle to exist in the physical body, while again I think that they are only links to the nervous-centres in the spine.
In the above series of quotes, when the light from the "Golden Court" gets taken down into the dantian, the physical body becomes lighter and lighter. Another point talked about in that passage -- people get stuck where part of them want to fly higher, but their body is still in the ground. Bringing the energy back down refines and lightens the physical body so that it can eventually fly as well. The initial process, however, feels like you are coming back down into the body again.
That's something I could never quite figure out ... why people love flying so much to disdain being inside of a body. Then again, I highly enjoy martial arts and the tactile sense, so my own obstacle is different ;-)
-Qaexl
I have exactly the problem where forces are trying to pry me away from my physical body with all kinds of manifestations. Whereas I'm just desperately triyng to get inside into the physical where my own emotions lie. I got deathly-scared when I noticed that my head stays up without my effort to keep it up. The spine does a great job in this.
If the posture is correct, the body will stand on it's own, without any effort included. The mental and emotional stress comes upon the body which in turn tightens the whole system. Celibacy might also have this feature if one has no clue how to channel the sexual energy.
m1thr0s
10-22-2006, 02:24 PM
By physical ... you mean that if someone were to say, go into a dark room and expose a film, they would see the light emitting from the person? Do you mean something else?Anything physical can be measured somehow, but I am not entirely certain what the best methods may be...maybe biophotons or something, I am just not sure...but people who are good at reading auras can tell when someone's Body of Light is in good shape or bad shape, is weak or strong or balanced or distorted etc. As with Chi, it is difficult to measure until it is concentrated in some way...centralized so that it can be more detected by the senses, and ultimately by other means as well...
m1thr0s
Qaexl
10-22-2006, 02:45 PM
Anything physical can be measured somehow, but I am not entirely certain what the best methods may be...maybe biophotons or something, I am just not sure...but people who are good at reading auras can tell when someone's Body of Light is in good shape or bad shape, is weak or strong or balanced or distorted etc. As with Chi, it is difficult to measure until it is concentrated in some way...centralized so that it can be more detected by the senses, and ultimately by other means as well...
m1thr0s
Ok, I thought we were on the same page but I wanted to confirm it.
As you can probably tell from my efforts with the Wiki engine, I'm trying to group codewords with the same referants. For example, the preponderance of Wisdom Light mentioned in one of those commentaries sounds similar to what you are saying with concentrating the Body of Light.
(I got introduced to the high weirdness by some people who had been doing Body of Light practices, and they had always referred to it as something physical rather than treating it as metaphorical).
-Qaexl
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