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For the last couple of weeks I have been confronted with the concept of No Compromise!
For some it equals a stubborn extremist, and I can understand that. And it is indeed a conundrum... but for as long as I can recall I have always been attracted to the concept of No Compromise. So pure to oneself, so true...
Recently at work there were some situations where I had to compromise or not compromise. And whenever I choose the former it usually ends bad, and whenever I choose the latter... in the long run... it always ends well, even if some suffering has to be endured.
Braveheart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart) was on TV the other day and having nothing better to do I watched it. The subject came up again... Wallace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace) was a man (in the film anyway) that refused to compromise.
I also recalled Rorschach's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(comics)) never compromise creed when watching The Watchmen (http://watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/) (also V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(comics)) is similar).
You don't have to be a lo-fi rockstar to sell out, you can just be a human with ideals, and when you are tempted you have the option to act on your temptation or refuse.
No compromise!
It has always been a creed of mine, at it shall so remain... where do you stand?
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frater luciferi
03-22-2009, 12:35 AM
to never bow one must never bow! :)
Yes we have talked about this before, I recall your words from somewhere else (apart from you sig)... as I said in the initial post I have been obsessing with this concept at the moment.
It can occur in what seems to be the smallest events like buying ecological milk or not... anything really.
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frater luciferi
03-22-2009, 12:49 AM
when it comes down to it. If you truely believe in what you do...and it relates to your self actualized image of self..its best to stick to your guns. Hopefully your mores and beliefs are in the right..and that would'nt be too hard if you hold the priniciple of truth as the highest principle. I often find that the truth is contrary to the norm for the most part.
A classic example of a more "Extreme" personality holding to his mores vs. what he views to be universal wrongs is abby hoffman. he stood for and propigated ideas of social justice that seemed wierd for the time but now days its just accepted as a reality. voting rights for blacks, equal rights for women, the "evils" of the industrial war machine. The left is often right in these regards.
I personally believe that every interaction and action no matter how small can cause a ripple towards positive change. and in that way you can manifest your will in relation to the all. If a principle or an ideal is truely worth standing for, sometimes its worth going through a little pain to see it manifest.
There will always be opposition towards change. And forces trying to hinder/supress those...but once the spark grows big enough it will eventually create a fire that cannot be put out. I think that the difficult part is learning when to make a move and finding that right time to do so. We all have to find our ways to do things like pay our bills..otherwise much like poker its always best to know when to hold em and know when to fold em. :)
Indeed... and I often think the more opposition against a certain action/thought the more right you probably are (as far as I have experienced anyways). Then again there are those that want women to be subjects and non-believers to die, and they also refuse to compromise... who is to say what is correct. I know I am right, just as much as those that I know are wrong think themselves that they are right; hence 5000 years of murder and mayhem!
But no compromise has nothing to do with enforcing one will on another... it is about being faithful to ones personal will/creed!
In some situations there is a need to compromise I guess... but then there are certain aspects that are open to compromise. Some of my beliefs are not 100%, they can bend because they are bend-able... and then there are those that are as solid as steel. It is of these I am speaking about when I talk about no compromise!
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frater luciferi
03-22-2009, 01:17 AM
my last fight was with the court system in my town. Against some asshole judges..of which four ended up getting fired :) it took me two years and i ended up doing a week in jail..because apparently i was a flight risk..even though i lived less then three blocks from the courthouse lol...but i won and ended up getting a program set up in my town by the prosecuting attorneys for people with suspended drivers liscences. so i won. The week in jail was'nt so bad because i got to see a lot of insanely cool outlaw tattoos.
The week in jail was'nt so bad because i got to see a lot of insanely cool outlaw tattoos.
I guess you didn't go to a real jail when you sat for a week... I mean I hope it wasn't one of those hardcore places you see in the movies?
Any experience is usually a good one...
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Well I've compromised a lot in my life and it's lead me to a relative position of strength by allowing me to see what's worth not compromising over and what is worth doing all things for...including compromising. Compromising my so-called sanity lead me to Satanism which is one of the more potent religious terrorizers available for those of us who hate most everything outside of Atheism.
If someone is not willing to compromise on something petty i find them very tiresome and leave them to their self-obsessed nonsense. Anyone who doesn't compromise pretty much sucks ass.
AfterViewer
03-22-2009, 08:33 AM
:)Having a toolbar at hand where you can use statesmanship as well as strong individualism is, in my estimation, invaluable." BE TRUE TO YOUR SCHOOL!" AV.
If someone is not willing to compromise on something petty i find them very tiresome and leave them to their self-obsessed nonsense.
Yes, it all depends on what is at stake... but what some deem petty others might deem important.
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thank you captain obvious
Glad I can be of assistance!
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Sibylle
03-22-2009, 02:00 PM
I don't like compromise, but it depends on what is at stake. There are some things I would never compromise on, usually when it has to do with my core beliefs that are at odds with social norms. It seems like a hard battle to refuse to compromise, but to me, it would be a definitely losing affair for me if I did compromise.
If a compromise is easy, I don't know if it really is one. If I feel forced to compromise, I tend to try to exploit the situation in some other way, because I don't like getting the short end of the stick - if I gain in some way, it evens things out in my mind.
AfterViewer
03-22-2009, 02:16 PM
:yes:EAR MARKS? HA! Well stated, Sibylle. AV.
frater luciferi
03-23-2009, 01:54 AM
I guess you didn't go to a real jail when you sat for a week... I mean I hope it wasn't one of those hardcore places you see in the movies?
Any experience is usually a good one...
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I was sent to a minimum security prison. Basically the nickname of the place was called "camp fluffy" for those who were considered less dangerous then the average felons..a lot of younger kids. I actually ran into quite a few people i knew, one was a young lad i used to buy weed off of who was serving a six month sentence for selling pot. I also hung out with a fellow i knew from my job at a concrete plant..who was my supervisor at the time.
There were open cells and my cell was popular with a click of gang bangers from southern california who moved up to my city. Although ironically enough my cellmate was a very zealous skinhead..being an ex nazi skin from my period from beng a homeless youth i tried to teach him that it was'nt the blacks or the mexicans who were our enemies..or the jews for all its worth, but much the same prison culture tends to propigate the NS meme due to the high number of minoritys compared to white inmates. I myself had recieved quite a few threats to my life, however i had protection provided to me by a lot of the black gansters in my cell block.
i learned alot from that week. And i did suffer a bit due to the lack of the prison system trying to accept my intestinal disorder..so i did not recieve the medications i was supposed to and my requests for a special diet voucher was not granted to me. i was accomidated during my time in country jail, but not so i n the prison. This caused me undue discomfort. but as much i find that the cause at hand was worth the measure of suffering i was to endure. i would not submit to these forces and i had just cause to fight these charges.
The positive thing though is i managed to be within the system without having a serious record. no felony charges were held on my record and i was left with a minor misdeamenor. They did warn me however if i was to drive a veicle without my liscence again i would do a term of six months in prison. But at least now i have the legal ball rolling and i am in a program in which i will be able to make small payments monthly so that i can finally drive myself to work.
I have not currently chose to do so in leu of a few medical issues i am suffering that limits my ability to do the work i am qualified in. But i plan to go to college soon so that i can posslbly get work in the social work field. I am not bragging as far as this matter goes however. i just feel that i did what i had to..as i had done before with my involvement with unions as far as negotiatiing better work conditions for myself and fellow employees.
this was also the case when i worked at a concrete manufacturing facility that made concrete railroad ties. IT was damn good money and as i had a trumped up felony charge over my head it was one of the few places i could recieve employment that alllowed me to support myself and my ex wife. We were working 12-16 days at the time..mandatory with strict rules against taking too many days off. Often we were shorthanded and we often did not have the necesary tools either. The irony being is that the reasons that our shifts were so long is that if we did have enough people or if we did not have to deal with constant machinery failure as well as a flawed production process the hours would of been cut down immensely.
Im proud to say that one of the supervisors of the company showed up to my last courtdate for my last driving on suspended ticket. he told me that they finally followed my advice and the wages were raised as well as the machinery was fixed and did not break down as much. Also the average shift was down to ten hours a day. So there was not as much turnover. I am proud of my involvment with the unions there and wat i considered at the time to be an act of necessary advocacy.
frater luciferi
03-23-2009, 01:56 AM
Well I've compromised a lot in my life and it's lead me to a relative position of strength by allowing me to see what's worth not compromising over and what is worth doing all things for...including compromising. Compromising my so-called sanity lead me to Satanism which is one of the more potent religious terrorizers available for those of us who hate most everything outside of Atheism.
If someone is not willing to compromise on something petty i find them very tiresome and leave them to their self-obsessed nonsense. Anyone who doesn't compromise pretty much sucks ass.
smaller issues are not worth the hassle. however there are issues that should not be ignored. These issues tend to be essential in some sense for the better of the common good. Or even for the good of oneself in some sense.
Octarine Prince
03-23-2009, 03:36 AM
The door to virtue is heavy and hard to push. -- Chinese Proverb
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi.
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