How does one forget Brahman?

[izi]

Okay first Brahman=the original creation principle. Brahma=the compleated creation.

I wanted to frame the question in the context of twinstar:

"How do I forget the power and mystery of the twinstar?"

Once engaged its effects on reality are immense. Whole chunks of social human strata, birds and weather alike are wrought into an intricate tapestry to be experienced by myself as the observer. So i was going to ask this question of the member body on AF. Then I realized - hell no one even takes the twinstar as seriously as I do. (with one, perhaps, exception)

Then I thought well if I cast aside the twinstar I can perhaps replace it with Brahman, the "growth" principle, creator. Even so, this does not explain the twinstar as it appears to be triumvirate and more so...


How does one forget the awesome power of Brahman? Is there some way to fall down....Krsna speaks of this in the 'Gita but I wonder if any members recognize this lapse in judgement and memory or what causes it specifically - maya, yes I know, but what actions amongst the ocean ricochet to produce delusion?

[Moonburn]

Do you mean forget in a positive, Vedanta-ish way? Or do you mean "fall from grace"?

My own approach is:

In the former, you would forget your idea of Brahman. No matter what your conception of the Original Impulse, it is still your conception. It's like Brahman is a rock star and you're a fangirl. Forget Brahman the rockstar. This is not to descend into mindless moralism, of course.

Obviously, you're in it for the "long haul", so the following would apply to you. Normally, this would be considered spiritually supererogatory. But essentially, any static concept that you hold is indicative of a blockage in your Body of Light. When vital force flows through Briah uninhibited, all of ones thoughts are in dramatic flux. At this point, any aspect of your being that stays that same after say... two or three weeks... would be fodder for introspection and Twinstar work.

In the latter, you buy all his memorabilia on eBay.

[izi]

Namaste Moonburn,

What I mean is being carried away by the senses, which leads to suffering and delusion. Situations which are not real - maya-drama vs. situations where I am acting detached and performing my proscribed duty, how does one lose focus on duty, how does one disengage from required work and return to meditation.

It can get so bad I won't run the twinstar for weeks except maybe to gaze once or twice a day.

It's like a car, and it's starting and goes a little ways, stalls and then I freak, run the twinstar, it keeps going, but all of this stalling is in my head I can prevent it from happening if I just set a schedule.

I think I need a schedule. But even this does not help as I will "run off" the schedule and become distracted....

I do not think there is one simple answer especially during our Yuga. As Krsna talks about attaining perfection or completion he gives various methods. A few of these the P'an Ku mirror was already giving me audibly - for example when scrying, always sit up straight, don't masturbate etc. (all temporary) And in the Vigyan Bhairav Siva gives a set of variables to apply.

So I am not sure if there is an easy answer.

As for memorabilia, I am not understanding the analogy, analogy is hard for me to understand anyways....

[m1thr0s]

how does one disengage from required work and return to meditation.this is all about integration though, right? what is illusory is the wall between this and that. The answer is to NEVER leave the meditation at all...just carry it along with you, to work, to the mall, whatever...

Division is the doctrine of Restriction...it is a lie...Brahma is Perpetual or not at all...

The ultimate objective of all superior meditation tech is Perpetual Motion...so like a gyroscope, we set the thing in motion and maintain it but as we get better at this we begin to notice it spinning on its own as well. We do not make the thing happen so much as we join in with its occurrence. So I have talked about training the autonomic nervous system itself, the goal of which is to reconnect with this state of Perpetual Motion...

Which takes time and repetition because we are powerfully trained to think compartmentally instead of holistically...but it's ultimately more natural and more correct for us to do the latter...still...it takes time to deal with all the shadow-puppets that serve to reinforce the doctrine of Division...

There is no Division and no *forgetting* either...just thoughts and non-thoughts...

I don't think schedules help that much since they reinforce the whole notion of *on* vs *off* states...*off* states are a lie...they don't actually exist.

We only *forget* because we consent to do so...no actual forgetting has ever really occurred.

m1

[izi]

ah. brilliant, as always, m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

well thanks, but yeah, we are discussing a process here...so it's not like any of us does not experience relapses...

so then it helps to get clear on what is real vs not real...and even the not real is real, so there is ultimately not even any such thing as *not real*...

which may seem a bit confusing at times...:dazed:

edit: the human condition is plagued with many traps...it's like an endless maze of traps and some are more severe than others. Many we can circumvent as a matter of *right thinking* and *right action*, but there will always be circumstances seemingly beyond all human control...so how do we account for these? The answer really is assuming responsibility for it all...those who can have got to do for those who cannot and by and by it all sorts itself out. This person cannot see but the next person can...this person is brain-damaged but that person is not. When you think in terms of whole systems (instead of individual units) many things begin to be seen as possible that were not possible before. So this conversation is linked to the above because all of these apparent *contradictions* are only contradictions within the context of Division...

This comes up sometimes in reference to the doctrine of Will...I mean obviously not everybody is in such a great position to *do their will*, right? You don't start ragging on some guy who is paralyzed from the neck down for being too weak-minded to get up and walk! For the most part, we can all do something, but we cannot all necessarily do as much as we would hope to be able to do and very few of us can actually do everything it might take to become wholly liberated beings. I think this is one of the real selling points behind the notion of *god*...*god* looks out for *fools, drunkards and little kids* right? Which is all a crock of divisive bullshit...it's not gods' job to deal with any of that actually...it's ours...

m1

[Moonburn]

Oh, I misunderstood the question. It's like M1thros motto says, "perseverence furthers". It might take you another decade, but you will develop the habits if you just stick with it.

Yeah, so I don't have anything original to say about this...