Is the LHP for me?

[M_Aiki]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and seeking information about the Left Hand Path...

A lot of what I read on this forum has struck me as highly meaningful in a personal way... I have experimented with religion and philosophy my whole life, however every doctrine I met seems to have "failed" me at some point. I feel a deep, strong connection with (what seems to be) the Source of the universe... however I am not able to fully grasp it--IT is not a "soul" in the traditional theistic sense, because IT does not seem to be separated from that Source...


Sorry for being so vague... I am just a seeker without that many answers and explanations.


I have given up trying to find an established PATH to follow... nothing seems to be entirely meaningful and/or appealing to me... there is always something that drives me away. Could it be that I am simply not made to pursue spiritual goals? Could it be that I was born to travel my own lonely path?


Anyway, now I am turning to the "other side" that I have always left alone. I have been reading about the LHP, Dark Spirituality, and even Satanism in many different forms. As with my previous RHP knowledge, those doctrines seem to be very compelling, and yet... there is always SOMETHING that says: this is not for you, you will not find yourself in it.


Sometimes I feel bad for turning away in obeyance to that feeling, as it makes me think that I might be failing to be a good "disciple" or student.


This is why I have come to ask for advice regarding the LHP. I want to know more about it, because it speaks to my REAL needs and feelings in a way that I have not very often find. What kind of advice can you give me? Is it a lonely road to be traveled, or should I look for a teacher? What kinds of traits/beliefs are required from someone who wishes to engage this path?


As a side note... I have been seriously considering starting some sort of "lodge" with a group of friends, so we can practice what we DID learn so far about both RHP and LHP. Would that be advisable?


Sorry for the long post, and thank you for your time.


My best,

[m1thr0s]

there is always SOMETHING that says: this is not for you, you will not find yourself in it.Doubt is possibly your strongest psychological ally...lose that and you've lost your whole ability to discriminate. But doubt is also liable to error, and is oftentimes no more than a reflection of the attitudes of others internalized, so the fact that you may doubt a thing in itself is not proof of its incompatability. These things have to be tested through trial and error.

Study groups sometimes work out and sometimes don't. Even when they don't you can still make personal progress though. In the final analysis whether the LHP is well suited to you or not will depend on you...whether you can or cannot achieve a level of comfort charting your own course in things. For some, this is the only thing that works at all. Others may attempt it and find it too stressful or otherwise too overwhelming.

It's best to gain as broad a perspective as possible before deciding which it will be. Many negative things assigned to the LHP are simply bullshit in reality, so the better you understand what it's all about in principle, the better informed you will be and the better decisions you will be able to make.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

Could it be that I am simply not made to pursue spiritual goals? Could it be that I was born to travel my own lonely path? Without knowing you better it is of course hard to say how your path might be unfolding, but it is often the case that what we think of as "spiritual goals" is skewed to begin with and this may have to be reworked until you have a more practical definition at hand. I am personally of the opinion that we tend to make too great a distinction between the spiritual and the physical...these things are always linked together really. As long as they are separated in your mind, there will exist a kind of logical impass with regards to either.

m1thr0s

[Amur]

If 'spiritual' is a concept created by yet another creator, then you are likely not following that creator's path. But then again if spiritual is your own progress in relation to your own path and life then you are probably somewhere already as you ask this question.

They say that LHP is dangerous because you get to know too much. And knowing too much is of course harmful for the big corporations, be it spiritual or physical mumbo humbo, all the same. They all burn equally well when given the right equations.

For myself Truth has always had a cling to it, so I've gone enormous distances just to uncover it. If only ppl would listen to the planet. *Ignites lighter*

[M_Aiki]

Thank you for your attention... I want to keep this thread open for further comments and questions. I have another one: which would be the required beliefs to joint the LHP? Are there any particular principles to adhere to (in comparison to, say, the requirement of a theistic belief to become a freemason)?

[m1thr0s]

*beliefs* is not a very LHP term. I would say there are definitely certain underscoring *assumptions*. It would be difficult to list them all since the so-called LHP is kind of a mish-mash slang that hasn't really found a solid definition that I am aware of. The term itself was initiated by Blavatsky in the West and was used primarily in a derogatory reference to stereotype anybody outside her Great White Brotherhood Mystery Religion mumbo-jumbo...

Which amounts to a whole lot of folks...so who knows. The term has only been very recently reclaimed in any other context than this. Even Crowley uses it in its more derogatory aspect, which he should have known better...but oh well...

Ra Hoor Khut himself offers a kind of definition when he states: "I am the Lord of the Double Wand of Power; the wand of the Force of Coph Nia— but my left hand is empty, for I have crushed an Universe; & nought remains." In the Chinese 5-Elemental system, the counter-clockwise direction (normally assigned to the left hand) marks the direction of consumption, or then destruction...but not just simple or mindless destruction so much as destruction that perpetuates life... So ideas like consolidation and distillation become a party to this whole discussion.

Certainly the innate sovereignty of Self is a recurrent theme...I think I have seen a couple of attempts to classify it all thus far but nothing overwhelmingly compelling to me personally...To tell you the truth I have sort of unofficially arrived at the idea that the LHP is really just the science end of metaphysical philosophy. This even applies in an eastern context since there it is a very *results* driven sort of focus...concentrated more on *what works* than on *what adheres* to accepted doctrines etc...

But that's a very off-the-cuff sort of definition which is true (I think) but not especially comprehensive.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I quite like Ford's (Luciferian Witchcraft) definition of the difference between Right and Left. Right leads to dissolution, merging with the One, and this is seen as something desirable, whereas Left leads to higher forms of Individuality, something considered wholly selfish and therefore negative. I tried the former, and to be honest what ultimately amounts to oblivion and denial of the self is not very appetising at all, nor is it of any use to a living being. I mean, what point is there in coming into being in order to pursue achieving non-being? Ultimately I think it's a matter of taste, but then I was born a cynic.

[Kain]

I tried the former, and to be honest what ultimately amounts to oblivion and denial of the self is not very appetising at all, nor is it of any use to a living being. I mean, what point is there in coming into being in order to pursue achieving non-being? Well, the actual purpose of the conduct of layayoga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laya_yoga) (the yoga of Dissolution) is to retrace the steps of manifestation back to their beginning so that they can be consciously re-manifested from the beginning by the practitioner, endowing one control over processes and patterns one was unconsciously in before. So Dissolution can be a valid way of building a higher version of Self as what is dissolved is eventually re-coagulated in higher caliber.

Kain

[frater luciferi]

i have found a passage that explains my natural skepticism towards the RHP (which ironically does'nt seem to counter eastern spirituality much) and of course its by the big morning star of the east himself siddhartha----

"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true. [paraphrased]".




that to me is very LHP. the creation of myth/falsehood or shadowing of the light ironically is very RHP in some sense, or losing oneself within it. The tearing at the seams of bullshit/adverserial stance. he who the builders have rejected is the corner stone and all that lot. Perhaps a bit of chaos vs. order, but in the end as crowely once wrote- nothing is true everything is permitted. which i cannot take literally, somewhere there has to be a kernal of truth.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, the actual purpose of the conduct of layayoga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laya_yoga) (the yoga of Dissolution) is to retrace the steps of manifestation back to their beginning so that they can be consciously re-manifested from the beginning by the practitioner, endowing one control over processes and patterns one was unconsciously in before. So Dissolution can be a valid way of building a higher version of Self as what is dissolved is eventually re-coagulated in higher caliber.

Kain

To be honest, I find it difficult to qualify Buddhist practices as strictly RHP. I myself practise Moving Zen (ie Budo) and would like most people turn towards the East for help,tips and techniques for various magickal and/or spiritual pursuits.

[Kain]

To be honest, I find it difficult to qualify Buddhist practices as strictly RHP. I myself practise Moving Zen (ie Budo) and would like most people turn towards the East for help,tips and techniques for various magickal and/or spiritual pursuits.Yeah, exactly, and this is actually a very recurrent opinion that I've been seeing people express for years now. This particular practice I mentioned is Hindu of course however I would class them the same way personally.

Kain