Time engineering, tachyonic mechanics:

[Marcus_]

Hi there.

I'm interested in any of your personal techniques for altering or seeing passed/before time.

Please tell me about your personal experiences, and also, if you have any sigils especially for time [Maya, Aztex, Mexican?] please post an image and some info...

[Amur]

You might want to try to view time as something you create for yourself. Then you can look at time as a dream from yourself to yourself. There are also group-dreams, collective-dreams and so on. They all connected to each other. At the moment America-Dream is trying to control the world but naturally it will crumble to dust when the events start to peak.

[Kain]

Hi Marcus_ , welcome to AF,

Interesting subject. I have not really worked in this field deliberately but it comes up again and again in my life over the years, mostly through spontaneously perceived instances, usually concerning the near future. They are not very frequent but quite definite when they do occur, and they are usually simple "perceptions" of mine while being in a rather well-aligned state at the time. One of my strongest occured when I was first working with Astral Projection but I've gotten others almost equally precise while simply walking on the street, for instance.

What I usually get is very detailed but still images that come like flashes in my mind. They flash, show a still image and dissipate again. Most of the time I disregard them as they seem like random/fleeting mental "noise" although looking back I see that the occurances where such a thing actually occured in every perceived detail a few minutes or hours later are quite a lot actually!

I have not pinpointed any specific techniques for it yet, apart from the fact that it needs a particularly "dissolved" state of consciousness in order to occur, through which time seems to be all the more *spatial* in nature, if such a thing can be said. Like one identifies increasingly less with the state of the so-called "present" and naturally allows time to be all the more perceived like an axis of sorts. I still get it spontaneously though and have in no way managed to deliberatley assume this state of consciousness until now.

I hope this is of some help to you,

Kain

[Anibis]

Oh, very cool question.

In the 49th hexagram (In the ten Wings section) of the Wilhelm Baynes I Ching, the authors say that "magicians are calendar makers". Time is like a liquid. It flows all over the place. As magicians we carve out channels for it to flow.

In another thread, Lucifitas asked the question 'what type of Alchemy' do you do. I was going to post this there, but then you came along and popped this question. Calendar making is a type of temporal alchemy, whereby one 'sets' the primary channels which becomming will flow into. When I say 'Becomming' I am referring to something like Bergson's duree, which is a sort of pre-quantified flow of experience: True time which is not a measure of succesive 'stop-frames' in space. It is the intuitively apprehended 'real', which is in constant motion. This time is what gets spun through a given calendar and charges it with meaning. In this respect then EVERY calendar is both a magical sigil and a sort of alchemical chamber or athanor (The alchemists furnace). You asked about the Maya, and obviously they have one of the most sophisticated systems around, deeply worthy of study, but it should also be noted that the Tai Hsuan Ching also has calendrical applications. I have personally designed three Calendars based on the cycles of Mercury, Mars, and Venus, which as of yet are not employed other than by me.

The Jose Arguelled crowd argues for Calendar change, and I agree with them on that, but where they tend to replace the probematic Gregorian with their Dreamspell, I personally think that a more viable option at the moment is the proliferation of micro-calendars. I encourage everyone who cares to to make up some sort of calendar and follow it. All these timestreams are fairly relative so you can ride many of them at once. This loosens the hold of the more pernicious ones. On the other hand there is nothing more grounding than living in your own time.

I shudder when someone bring up timelessness... to me that is the victory of the quantified world. I opt for Time-fullness.

There it is...
-Ibisis-

[MythMath]

Show us your calendars...:yes:

[Marcus_]

Kain: "Hi Marcus_ , welcome to AF,"
;)
Hi Kain.

Hi Ibisis, do calendars in-advertantly draw human consciousness towards the cyclic center of their time quantification paradigm?
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When I alter timefields, I see time as having many parts.
Many kinds of time. Some kinds/parts of time are easier to alter than others.
Systemic change rates, to me, are the times, which are motions: force and order.

Humans see time as a finite instance. They see an object as a form.
If they saw the future and passed of any isolated instance of an object, entirely, "all at the same time", they would realize the infiniteness of all things.

When an interdependant part of the All is effected, its parts also are effected. To alter the future, for example, one must alter all things which the future is connected to. Altering the present -- changes the future. Also, altering the future, changes the present. As all time is the same whole system, altering it at any place -- will effect every place, and the present IS the future and passed.

:( Too bad I'm reduced to English, here. Hopefully I've explained myself slightly...

[Anibis]

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Hi Ibisis, do calendars in-advertantly draw human consciousness towards the cyclic center of their time quantification paradigm?



Well yes, but I'm not sure that quantification is required. I'd say that a calender establishes a mytho-symbolic rythme, so to speak. When one operates with several such systems, one has several centres. Each centre is an energy system, and they operate independently, although in interaction. Establishing a calendar is definitely a 'whole systems' approach to energy management.

-Ibisis-

P.S. I was hoping to get a website where I could properly detail these systems, MythMath. I am still waiting for that, but I'll give it a start, I suppose...

[Anibis]

Show us your calendars...:yes:

Go here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=3975#post3975).
-Ibisis-
;)

[Anibis]

Marcus, I thought I'd come back and address some of your observations, as I feel they are quite true.

When I alter timefields, I see time as having many parts.
Many kinds of time. Some kinds/parts of time are easier to alter than others.
Systemic change rates, to me, are the times, which are motions: force and order.

This makes alot of sense: time is not a tick-tock homogenous progression of spacial changes. It has its own intuitive, tactile, qualitative existence. You can FLEX it. If you have not read Henri Bergson, I recommend him in this regards. His sister was married to S.L.MacGregor Mathers. He is especially good for liberating the concept of time from its epistemic dependence upon quantification. He developed the important concept 'Dure'. A good (and short) text is his 'Introduction to Metaphysics'. He champions Intuition as an active and rigorous philosophical method.

As for the notion of heterogeneous times, I recommend Michel Serres, a French poet/philosopher who argues that an organism is essentially a converter for times. The idea being that the background noise of existence is the result of an infinite multiplicity of times, and that organic systems are essentially like semi-stable vertices (whirlpools) within that stream. The conversion of noise into information, of dispersive times into times experienced by an organism is the formation of negentropic islands within the entropic stream (I know, dense). To this effect I recommend his text 'Hermes: Literature, Philosophy, Science'.



Humans see time as a finite instance. They see an object as a form.
If they saw the future and passed of any isolated instance of an object, entirely, "all at the same time", they would realize the infiniteness of all things.

This has alot to do, I think with our depence on nouns, and our sequestered enclosure in language. Since the world of 'Becomming' has been granted a secondary status to 'Being' ever since Plato (or even Marduk!), we tend to need see the essence of a thing by projecting it into infinity, rather than by introducing infinity into it. By restoring Becomming to the perfection of an object or event (by aknowledging incompleteness as the crown) , it becomes, as you say, less of a thing, and more of a 'rate' or frequency.


When an interdependant part of the All is effected, its parts also are effected. To alter the future, for example, one must alter all things which the future is connected to. Altering the present -- changes the future. Also, altering the future, changes the present. As all time is the same whole system, altering it at any place -- will effect every place, and the present IS the future and passed.

One could say that the future is the province of Will, the present of Choice, and the past of Memory. In finite time, we see these as the loops and cross-point of the lemniscate, the figure eight. Unfolded, this sort of 'folded time' opens up into the Now, where these three qualities are not so neatly divided but rather are mixed together along the fractal whims of natural occurance: Memory is form and Will is force, Choice is consciousness. In the Now, these are not distinct from one another. In the end, I would advocate the pracitice of 'folding and unfolding the ribbon of time at infinte speeds'. This is the key to autotheism/avatarhood IMO. 0?0?0?0?...

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:( Too bad I'm reduced to English, here. Hopefully I've explained myself slightly...
Mind if I ask what your native tounge is? I am fascinated by how many people from all over the world are working out of this forums...

-Ibisis-

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, if the light from a certain star or system takes a certain ammount of time, T, to get here

And if that light has a certain wavelength, and so vibration and harmonic

And if light of wavelength and harmonic hitting or passing thru your physical form and so your DNA structure imbues you, and yoru DNA structure, with its properties

And if stars evolve too, changing their EMF signature and so wavelength of light emitted as they so evolve

Then IF you are able to move your own mind and genetic structure faster than a particular star as regards the portions of that genetic structure, and so mind, that the star's wavelength impacts on. - . Then, then you are able to move faster than that star.

Or faster than that star's *effects* on Earth moves given that it takes some time for stars' light to reach this planet.

Of course, if the speed of light was non-constant then maybe stars could affect this system and planet faster. Also, if mind and consciousness connect to the EMF spectrum, as they do (brain and neural activity is after all normally defined in terms of micro-electrial signals and impulses moving thru biological tissue), then progressing in consciousness should allow one to enter a timeless state, or a state beyond the lessons of the system. It is this which is the goal of most Spiritual progress. The goal of most Warriors involved in mystical arts is to get beyond the lessons/quality of the moment, beyond the Shi of a situation, for example.

Regards,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

Well, if the light from a certain star or system takes a certain ammount of time, T, to get here

And if that light has a certain wavelength, and so vibration and harmonic

And if light of wavelength and harmonic hitting or passing thru your physical form and so your DNA structure imbues you, and yoru DNA structure, with its properties

And if stars evolve too, changing their EMF signature and so wavelength of light emitted as they so evolve

Then IF you are able to move your own mind and genetic structure faster than a particular star as regards the portions of that genetic structure, and so mind, that the star's wavelength impacts on. - . Then, then you are able to move faster than that star.

Or faster than that star's *effects* on Earth moves given that it takes some time for stars' light to reach this planet.

Of course, if the speed of light was non-constant then maybe stars could affect this system and planet faster. Also, if mind and consciousness connect to the EMF spectrum, as they do (brain and neural activity is after all normally defined in terms of micro-electrial signals and impulses moving thru biological tissue), then progressing in consciousness should allow one to enter a timeless state, or a state beyond the lessons of the system. It is this which is the goal of most Spiritual progress. The goal of most Warriors involved in mystical arts is to get beyond the lessons/quality of the moment, beyond the Shi of a situation, for example.

Regards,
Oazaki.



This is correct. Also being aware of the fact that the microcosm of the universe within our own body does not only reside in the brain itself. The brain is over rated, even the Egyptians show us this in their treatment of it. Blood, for instance, holds more primeval original element of fire than does the brain itself, and fire is the first. The white and red blood cells are reflections of the red and white dragon...going down further you find the mitochondria which produce heat in our bodies during a process called proton leak, in some circumstances. These little guys are much smaller than our cells and reside in them, sometimes in the number of millions. Mitochondria contain their own DNA genome, which makes them neat-o.

So aside from the nervous system, to master time one must take a holistic survey of the body and understand what it is doing and what parts lead where. There is also the matter of some body of light components that do not have clear physical representations which are reflected in arcane art:

Wings
Pointed Tail
Horns (two or one)
Strands
Extra fingers (ie dewclaws)

Higher than the first few levels you get variables. There's about nine bodies, the physical body being the first. The physical body is not the lowest attainable body. It's not necesary to be constantly reminded of the lower bodies so we don't count them.

The spinal cord itself is immensely important in reflection. It can represent the string upon which all the stars are aligned. Like the center of the universe. (Kuroyagi described this once, and I know he has seen it) The feet, too, are whole compressed reflections of Kether as well - there's a reason why lotus feet - bound feet, were popular in China, it was thought originally that this would compress the energy up into the higher parts of the body where it would become accessible. This doesn't work without the proper procedures. Maybe in a parallel universe.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I have also worked extensively with calendars and their creation, using a variety of models and sources. Time and indeed events in time, past present and future will usually conform with a sound model, a sound model being based in real-life Space Time cycles, whether that be solar, stellar, astrological or combinations such as the Metonic cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonic_cycle) Temporal manipilation, another great interest of mine, is facilitated by the use of such cycle-calendars combined with a decent knowledge of the past. Again, the Metonic cycle is particularly useful here for any temporal work stretching back to neolithic times. For example, it is less daunting to think of 100 Metonic cycles than it is to think of 1900 solar ones, in that 100 is mentally a small enough and manageable number, and that each cycle is 19 years, which likewise is a small and manageable number -and length of time- to grasp.

Time is, of course, bound to Space, and as such we have the disadvantage of not being ever in the same place as the galaxy spins around. However, within the galaxy itself - and ignoring Space and Time beyond our galaxy- we can (and, in fact, do) perceive our position within S&T -allowing for our Earth-based calendric cycles- to be constant. Nevertheless, we still need to take the Space factor on our planet into consideration. Observing calendric cycles can cover this to a certain extent, the extent depending on what the calendar observes: the position of the Earth, Sun and Moon (a 19 year cycle), the position of surrounding planets, then stars...the more the merrier in terms of effectiveness and empowerment. However, for practical reasons this needs ideally to be re-enforced with a physical link to the temporal target. For example, if we are targeting the past: objects and locations, especially man made constructions. Of these an object alone is the less potent unless brought to a specific location. For temporal manipulation of our personal past, again, the more things we have to aid us the better: our own bodies, an object, a place and a time.

Another note: We can practice slowing down Time through meditative/passive observation of an object, my personal favourite being the water of a stream curving over a stone, but anything will do, as long as it doesn't move. We can also mentally atune ourselves to a specific time-place in the past by visiting a location with links to it (above all if it is a location where you will not be disturbed or distracted) and passively contemplating the spot. It goes without saying that the more details you know about the temporal target the easier it will be to envision it.

Anyway, that's my take on it.