How powerful/aware are you?

[Marcus_]

Here it comes...

I'm wondering how powerful each member of the forum is, and also, how aware they are.

Knowledge, extended perception and extended awareness are not raw power, but I'd like to talk about "power" in the wider sense of the word: Ability.

So, if anyone would like to share details about their personal level of progress, I'd be glad to hear it.

[m1thr0s]

:rofl: What kind of freaking circle-jerk would actually answer such a question Marcus?

Nice try though...maybe the thread will evolve into something anyway...for myself, I believe there are certain things that should simply not be revealed...

m1thr0s

[Marcus_]

:rofl: What kind of freaking circle-jerk would actually answer such a question Marcus?

Nice try though...maybe the thread will evolve into something anyway...for myself, I believe there are certain things that should simply not be revealed...

m1thr0s
:rofl: :laugh: :rofl:
Well, I do think some people here will like to tell about their accomplishments and such; whilst others retain their secrets.

[Radiant Star]

How long is a piece of string?

I don't think it is measurable as an isolate, only really in relation to who you are working with or against at any one time.

For example, in the last three months I have been said to be a fluff bunny and a very capable magickian. Can these both be true?

Yes, I suppose they can be.

If you are asking how I view myself, truthfully? as a beginner.

Bear in mind though, that we all develop different skills to a greater or lesser degree, so again, we are back to the length of the string.

[Anibis]

Flushing out the bravado hounds, huh... Very good. When I was on OF for a while some dude came in and started saying stuff like, "I am the expert on thelema" yadda yadda yadda, got all angry when we didn't step into line, started 'cursing people', and stuff, and it was all very pathetic. In general in the Changes, the place of power is in the 5th (penultimate) line, and not at the very top. The top line is often problematic. Go read the first two Hexagrams. See the difference between the fifth and the sixth place. This is why your question feels strange to ask...
-Ibisis-

[Anibis]

Oh, and in case you wanted my D&D stats:

Level 10 Wizard

Strength:10
Dex:15
Int:17
Wis:16
Char:16

THAC0: 12
AC:-3
HP:418/418

Proficiencies:
Ambidexterity
Sleight of Hand
Juggling
B.S.& Wisecracks...

Heh heh heh...
-Ibisis

I think I'll delete this soon...

[Marcus_]

How long is a piece of string?

I don't think it is measurable as an isolate, only really in relation to who you are working with or against at any one time.

For example, in the last three months I have been said to be a fluff bunny and a very capable magickian. Can these both be true?

Yes, I suppose they can be.

If you are asking how I view myself, truthfully? as a beginner.

Bear in mind though, that we all develop different skills to a greater or lesser degree, so again, we are back to the length of the string.
All that really matters is that you're progressing and still training, right?

Information technologies, and evolutions of consciousness -- are exponential. It's slowest at first, and during the far later years, actual progress speed can become much faster.

My main skill has to do with scanning, astral projection, and also, psionic constructs. I can find things on the astral plane - pretty fast. Ex: if some being came to me and tried to mess me up in a dream, eventually it may turn into a nightmare. Right before the "fight", I wake up, he retreats... But I can remote find, so I find him in a second, scan how powerful he was, descern what he wanted to do, and then -- I deal with him.

Long ago I healed a friend's spinal trama.
I could do better now, but am not very social about it, as many people tend to turn against the unknown, due to their ignorant paranoya.
^
See, those are just some examples.
I was wondering, about what specific powers/abilities/achievements persons may have, here.;)

Don't be shy.:p

[fr.novumorganum]

:rainbow:+:coffee: =:bowdown:

[m1thr0s]

To a very large extent "powers" are trivial. They are interesting but they don't actually denote one's degree of magickal progress. In most cases they are distractions. If you start from the assumption that every man and every woman is ultimately omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent then what really matters in life is not so much the aquisition of powers as the advancing of the human condition as a whole. Because humankind, as a whole, is in a whole lot of trouble and an obsession over the aquisition of power and powers has a big part to play in that dilemma.

I can do anything I want or need to do so long as it does not run contrary to my own standards...my own "Law" as it were. When that does occur...when I hit a wall of one kind or another, I am always aware of a certain underscoring explanation to it having to do with its irrelevance to my more important objectives.

I am aware of being on a certain mission in this life...of having something fairly specific to accomplish that will, if it succeeds, have the general effect of raising the energy/consciousness foundation of the whole world. This is not so unusual as you might think...this happens anytime anyone manages to introduce significant new knowledge into the global pool.

So powers are fine...but any power that someone might have, anyone might have and for all of these powers the condition of the world itself still remains in peril. Powers simply do not make a proper indicator of how much progress you have made in life itself.

m1thr0s

[Radiant Star]

All that really matters is that you're progressing and still training, right?

Not sure I would use the word training, more exploring and delighting in my path, but yes, I am moving forward and yes, new findings are exciting, therefore important to me.


I was wondering, about what specific powers/abilities/achievements persons may have, here.Don't be shy.:p

Well, thats difficult because I cannot prove them, but it would appear that I saved an animals life a few years back with magickal intent. I did the magick, a good result occurred, what was in the middle of that sandwich I have no idea. Not sure what that would be called exactly though.

I suppose my most obvious ability would be clairvoyance to some extent, or at least, that is what others have told me after me relaying certain events or conditions to them.

The latest I heard was "divinatory" skill, I have yet to fully grasp that and would need to ask the other mage what he meant exactly.

To be honest, I myself have not gone in for labelling actual powers or abilities so much as understanding what I did and if the result was because of what I did or not or merely a coincidence of some kind.

:rainbow:+:coffee: =:bowdown:
I hope thats tea in that cup Fr NO :D


Powers simply do not make a proper indicator of how much progress you have made in life itself.

m1thr0s

I agree with your post in its entirey, very eloquently put. I think this last sentence is most apt. It doesn't matter how many capabilities we might attain or develop, since we are on the material plain, then what we do with them here must be a prime consideration. I think that goes for all of our strengths, magickal or not.

[Marcus_]

To a very large extent "powers" are trivial. They are interesting but they don't actually denote one's degree of magickal progress. In most cases they are distractions.
That's an interesting way to put it...

If an athlete was making 'physical progress', would the amount of weight they could lift, and the speed at which they could run, be "In most causes" "a distraction"?

A distraction from what?

What kind of power are we talking about here? [There are many kinds, and as I clarified, I'd like to talk about 'ability' in general.]


If you start from the assumption that every man and every woman is ultimately omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent then what really matters in life is not so much the aquisition of powers as the advancing of the human condition as a whole. Because humankind, as a whole, is in a whole lot of trouble and an obsession over the aquisition of power and powers has a big part to play in that dilemma.
And who's fault is that?


I can do anything I want or need to do so long as it does not run contrary to my own standards...my own "Law" as it were.
That's a pretty big statement.
You've had a successful life in your later years?


I am aware of being on a certain mission in this life...of having something fairly specific to accomplish that will, if it succeeds, have the general effect of raising the energy/consciousness foundation of the whole world. This is not so unusual as you might think...this happens anytime anyone manages to introduce significant new knowledge into the global pool.
"Raising the energy/consciousness foundation of the whole world."

"This happens anytime anyone manages to introduce significant new knowledge into the global pool."

You're talking about improving humanity, through a form of mass education?


So powers are fine...but any power that someone might have, anyone might have and for all of these powers the condition of the world itself still remains in peril.
What kind of peril?


Powers simply do not make a proper indicator of how much progress you have made in life itself.
"Progress" is a polysemous, plastic term, anyways. [ex:] Both the destroyers and the healers of the world consider themselves to be making "progress". They impose their own Will, "good" or "bad", upon a tiny, tiny piece of the cosmos, and then call it "progress".

You're talking about a format of categorical imperative, as "progress"/"right"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

Sorry, just more questions, for now.:confused:
I'm curious, you see.

[Marcus_]

Radiant Star (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/member.php?u=76)
All that really matters is that you're progressing and still training, right?
Not sure I would use the word training, more exploring and delighting in my path, but yes, I am moving forward and yes, new findings are exciting, therefore important to me.

Yeah, I consider that to be training.;)
Both work and play can be forms of training, as long as they are a sort of development.



I was wondering, about what specific powers/abilities/achievements persons may have, here.Don't be shy.:p
Well, thats difficult because I cannot prove them, but it would appear that I saved an animals life a few years back with magickal intent. I did the magick, a good result occurred, what was in the middle of that sandwich I have no idea. Not sure what that would be called exactly though.

I suppose my most obvious ability would be clairvoyance to some extent, or at least, that is what others have told me after me relaying certain events or conditions to them.

The latest I heard was "divinatory" skill, I have yet to fully grasp that and would need to ask the other mage what he meant exactly.

To be honest, I myself have not gone in for labelling actual powers or abilities so much as understanding what I did and if the result was because of what I did or not or merely a coincidence of some kind.
Hihihih.

Once you become [more]completely self-aware, you'll not really need much "proof" from others, as you'll have so much awareness and understanding of your own influance and knowledge, etc.

Remember this?:

I have often sat eating something and offered it to my dragon and he won't touch it, mind you, I suppose Marmite on toast (maybe Vegemite in other countries) might be pushing it a bit ; )
Did you create your immaterial dragon, or did you find him/her/it? Or was it inherent?

Is your dragon made of thought? Spirit? Astral material?

What can your dragon do? What is it best at? What does your dragon want most, in its future?

:)I'll listen if ya tell.:)

[Anibis]

That's an interesting way to put it...

If an athlete was making 'physical progress', would the amount of weight they could lift, and the speed at which they could run, be "In most causes" "a distraction"?


There is, I think a difference between aknowledging progress (which is just a measure of the growth of ones willed projects), and fetishizing it's bi-products. I think the warning is not so much related to one's actual state of affairs but rather that thinking about them in a quantified way can lead to bullshit and bravado which is just a simulation rather than a reality. To extend your analogy, try taking the person who, to be the 'best' starts taking Steroids, or who, in order to 'prove themselves' does something foolish which results in injury or death. Nobody who is in this game for the long run is going to sit around bragging about how big their wand is on the internet. Those who know don't say, those who say don't know.
-Ibisis-

[Marcus_]

But I was not talking about theatrics or showing-off.
I was just curious who'd give details about their current state of capability.

[Anibis]

Hm. It just occurred to me that the problem may be with the phrasing of the question itself, and what it presupposes. When you ask about the measurement of progress, that makes sense, but does not translate into 'how powerful or aware are you?' but rather something like, 'what abilities has your practice granted you?' Let's shift this from the quantitative/comparative to the qualitative/descriptive modes....
-Ibisis-

[Marcus_]

You've got mod powers. So, you can reword the title of my thread, if you want. Make it as clear as you like. ;)

But, I think I've clarified myself somewhat, as we talk more about this.

[Anibis]

Well, that's it, right? I think the threads title should stay as it is, and let anyone who follows the discussion see that it developed into something different as we came to understand one another's points. If the thread title gets changed to something less strong, then nobody will get why people had a strong reaction to it at first. It speaks of the alchemy of discussion that we can bring out gems from this, no?
-Ibisis-

[Radiant Star]

Once you become [more]completely self-aware, you'll not really need much "proof" from others, as you'll have so much awareness and understanding of your own influance and knowledge, etc.

I don't need proof from others, though I quite enjoy sharing experiences and clarifying the things that puzzle me.


Did you create your immaterial dragon, or did you find him/her/it? Or was it inherent? Is your dragon made of thought? Spirit? Astral material?
What can your dragon do? What is it best at? What does your dragon want most, in its future?

As many people know, my dragon was sent to me by my loved one, I was promised a present which I presumed to be a gift in the form of a book or perfume or something like that and in ritual one afternoon, a being appeared and another entity came along and explained that it was my present.

I have no idea what he is made of, as I have already said, labels mean little to me, so cloth, plastic or metal dragon or whatever is less important than my relationship with him. As for what he is good at, he can certainly tell me what sort of a day I will have, though mostly, I don't want to know and he will often pinpoint things I should know that may interrupt my plans; he loves water and magick and is good at showing me energy weak spots in my body. That is a general overview anyway. I have never asked him about his future though.

If you are interested in my stories about him, which are quite ordinary really, PM me and ask me for them.

Apart from that, I am quite an ordinary being really, nothing super special regarding powers or abilities, just making the most of what I have each day - life is short.

[Marcus_]

I think the post should stay as it is
Okay.

[Marcus_]

I don't need proof from others, though I quite enjoy sharing experiences and clarifying the things that puzzle me.
Exactly.




Did you create your immaterial dragon, or did you find him/her/it? Or was it inherent? Is your dragon made of thought? Spirit? Astral material?
What can your dragon do? What is it best at? What does your dragon want most, in its future?

As many people know, my dragon was sent to me by my loved one, I was promised a present which I presumed to be a gift in the form of a book or perfume or something like that and in ritual one afternoon, a being appeared and another entity came along and explained that it was my present.

I have no idea what he is made of, as I have already said, labels mean little to me, so cloth, plastic or metal dragon or whatever is less important than my relationship with him. As for what he is good at, he can certainly tell me what sort of a day I will have, though mostly, I don't want to know and he will often pinpoint things I should know that may interrupt my plans; he loves water and magick and is good at showing me energy weak spots in my body. That is a general overview anyway. I have never asked him about his future though.

If you are interested in my stories about him, which are quite ordinary really, PM me and ask me for them.

Apart from that, I am quite an ordinary being really, nothing super special regarding powers or abilities, just making the most of what I have each day - life is short.

He sounds cute. =)
I'll start with the PMs.

[m1thr0s]

This is too funny...I wish I had more time for it today but I don't...

I think what's really missing from your logic is the principle of Will, Marcus. It's ok to build on your *powers*, like an athlete, as you say but somewhere in all of this Fantasic Four scenario you're going to have to deal with Will...with what all these powers really add up to and what that really means. The powers in themselves don't really mean anything if they have no direction...if they aren't really going anywhere or doing anything useful.

*Mass Education?* Sure, if you like...the term sounds a little placid to me though. I think of it more in terms of *Ignition*...

I'm into fireworks...:cool:

m1thr0s

[Radiant Star]

Exactly.

He sounds cute. =)

He is... with me ;)

[Marcus_]

This is too funny...I wish I had more time for it today but I don't...Fun...:tsmile:


I think what's really missing from your logic is the principle of Will, Marcus. It's ok to build on your *powers*, like an athlete, as you say but somewhere in all of this Fantasic Four scenario you're going to have to deal with Will...with what all these powers really add up to and what that really means. The powers in themselves don't really mean anything if they have no direction...if they aren't really going anywhere or doing anything useful.

*Mass Education?* Sure, if you like...the term sounds a little placid to me though. I think of it more in terms of *Ignition*...

I'm into fireworks...:cool:

m1thr0s
Okay.

Would you agree with the phrase:
"It's not what you have, it's how you use it." - ?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/will

When I was making this thread, I wasn't thinking about the plethora of reason behind one's esoteric development, nor was I thinking about the eventual goals. I was just wondering about the ability in and of itself, free from all moral judgments.
*Good & Bad.
*Right & Wrong.
*Healthy & Unhealthy.
*Just & Unjust.
*Superior & Inferior.
etc.
^ - All of these, IMO, are moral...

[m1thr0s]

I was just wondering about the ability in and of itself, free from all moral judgments.Sure. Moral judgments suck. That's not what I am talking about though...I'm addressing efficiency, not ethics...

Maybe we should try taking some of these powers and breaking them down...see what good they really are and what the pitfalls are. What you would find (I think) is that all these powers have their downsides too...they don't always work out to a balanced human being. That might not matter if human beings were wind-up toys or something but they're not...

m1thr0s

[Marcus_]

Sure. Moral judgments suck. That's not what I am talking about though...I'm addressing efficiency, not ethics...

Maybe we should try taking some of these powers and breaking them down...see what good they really are and what the pitfalls are. What you would find (I think) is that all these powers have their downsides too...they don't always work out to a balanced human being. That might not matter if human beings were wind-up toys or something but they're not...

m1thr0s
*There are infinite kinds of power.
*There are infinite kinds of imbalance.
*There are infinite kinds of balance.

The people I've seen whom abused their powers, tended to be the sort who were to impulsive, egoic and they were not calm with their work.

[m1thr0s]

Like I said, it's ok to build on these powers but sometimes you will find that the simple power to think is the most amazing power of all...

What do you want to accomplish with these powers? Do you want to start your own country of Superheroes or something? Do you just want to get rich and famous? What's the point?

Let's just say...for argument's sake...that you wanted to do *good* with these powers...ok...so what is *good*? Do you want to heal people or solve their problems in some way? Is that good? Won't you just wind up with a bunch of people who depend upon your powers more than their own?

Maybe the good thing sucks...so what then? Do you just want to explore these powers to see how far they can go? In India there are purported to be all kinds of people who can do all kinds of amazing things with such powers. You know what most of them do for a living? Tricks. For money. Cool tricks but their powers haven't really done anything to make them successful people in any other respect.

There's just a whole lot more to it all Marcus. Everything in life has its logical limitations and if you amplify something on one end you almost always sacrifice something on the other. Real masters consolidate and only use what they must use and don't get too invested in shortcuts...

m1thr0s

[Marcus_]

Like I said, it's ok to build on these powers but sometimes you will find that the simple power to think is the most amazing power of all...
That's a good one.

Ability to think depends allot on perception, and experience. So, developing all sorts of mind-extension, sensory-extension, [Precognition, RemoteViewing, Empathy, Soulsearching, etc.] all will lead back into the improvement of consciousness.

Almost all capability is interconnected. Ex: adding a new child to the family will change the whole family.


What do you want to accomplish with these powers? Do you want to start your own country of Superheroes or something? Do you just want to get rich and famous? What's the point?
:rofl: In the name of Thor, I will avenge you!
Avengers, assemble!!!



Let's just say...for argument's sake...that you wanted to do *good* with these powers...ok...so what is *good*? Do you want to heal people or solve their problems in some way? Is that good? Won't you just wind up with a bunch of people who depend upon your powers more than their own?

Maybe the good thing sucks...so what then? Do you just want to explore these powers to see how far they can go? In India there are purported to be all kinds of people who can do all kinds of amazing things with such powers. You know what most of them do for a living? Tricks. For money. Cool tricks but their powers haven't really done anything to make them successful people in any other respect.
*Success* first requires desire, otherwise it will merely be seen as a statistic, as you know.

[Saddhis, is that the name?]
But, if I got to meet those guys from India, I would really like to learn from them.

Think about artists, too. Compare artists to the dudes mentioned in India. There are allot of beautiful things people can develop. Even if it's non-commercial, I think it's really valid. I also think that there's too much secularism in the social system already...


There's just a whole lot more to it all Marcus. Everything in life has its logical limitations and if you amplify something on one end you almost always sacrifice something on the other. Real masters consolidate and only use what they must use and don't get too invested in shortcuts...

m1thr0s
Yes but I just spent 10 years saving up money so that I could buy a dump-truck full of beany babies. In Jesus name, amen.~_~

[m1thr0s]

Think about artists, too. Compare artists to the dudes mentioned in India. There are allot of beautiful things people can develop. Even if it's non-commercial, I think it's really valid. I also think that there's too much secularism in the social system already...well that's an excellent point...you know, I wanted the Institute to be able to juggle all these different kinds of focuses...I don't really see any problem with exploring powers so long as it can be done intelligently...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Mmmm tricks for a living. I actually dig that Idea (In the non-hooker sense). Those Fakirs have some wild stunts... Being a trickster is one way of 'covering' a life spent contemplating the mysteries. Alot of it is conjuring, though...
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

yeah...viewed as performance art it all makes more sense...a lot of times these things have their value just letting people know what the possibilities are...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

You know, I always considered every circus trick I learned as having a secret ability that it conveys. The key is to find that out by exploring the skill. Unicycling really develops what could be called the inner gyro, in the Hara center, Juggling is sortof like mobile celtic knots, Contact Juggling develops fluidity of energy working, and so on... Yoga skills.
-Ibisis-

[Anibis]

...with the added bonus that people like to have you around, and that you eventually start getting paid to do it...
-Ibisis-

[Marcus_]

Some interesting reflections.

[m1thr0s]

There is probably something to be said for being able to perform various feats on cue...cameras rolling and all of that. I don't operate that way personally...I'm very into spontanaety and also secrecy with respect to such stuff...

But it's never a good idea to guage what is useful in general based solely on what works for you personally, so I am trying to keep an open mind to all of this...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

Here it comes...

I'm wondering how powerful each member of the forum is, and also, how aware they are.

Knowledge, extended perception and extended awareness are not raw power, but I'd like to talk about "power" in the wider sense of the word: Ability.

So, if anyone would like to share details about their personal level of progress, I'd be glad to hear it.
Im also still quite new to this occult stuff and understand your desire to know "what powers one can attain". Its actually an interesting question-journalistically interesting, and surely fun to read about. Actually I have posted something about a yr ago that could interest you, check it out below. So called siddhis (powers) come and go- personally they never were important to me to begin with...that was probably partly due to the fact that I started relatively late in my life with (conscious) magical practice (at about 29yrs of age...the best age btw, check out Gautama ;))..I had been traveling partying drinking enjoying life but I also had been studying sciences and languages at uni and I never was content--I still thought: but there MUST be more, I felt I it, I intuitively knew it and that made me go "further" than sciences, and further than only pleasure seeking and craving material stuff or experiences etc (in "power" itself as in "wealth" or esp. "fame" (it really must be terrible to be famous!) and even less political influence I was never really interested in the first place)...and after I started reading and doing this stuff I had many cool experiences, I had much terrible ones too...but I also noticed how much I even had "practiced" already before I had ever heard of the occult (e.g. some part chaos magic-deconditioning, only I called it "practical philosophy" or daydreaming, or pondering hours over a text (a form of Western meditation, actually), or being an idiot intentionally, going against reason just forproving my freedom: (even in school I thought "Im expected in society to act in a certain way BUT what if I just dont do it? What if I act not like anybody else and thereby proof to myself (via my very life) that humans are not mere creatures of mechanical causality (action and reaction) WHAT IF? and then I filled the "what if" with reality...)

Anyway, I'll quote my old post- the old answers to it you can read in the cache (in the link below)-if you like. :)


Kuroyagi
02-01-2005, 06:36 PM


I had an awakening- it means: this morning I awoke and thought: wtf have I turned into?
since I started w the occult a yr and a half ago I havent done all those tear and blood sweating techniques and practices that are so often described (eg by Crowley or Bardon)- I had picked up some that just corresponded well w me- about 9months ago ;) I had started some easy physical exercises custom-self-designed around the 5tibetan rites and then I do one small ritual every day in which I draw out red earth energy and connect me to some above light while making myself a centre/pillar- and thats it: those are the things I do every day (apart from some introspection/meditation, lots of reading or some other stuff only irregularly when I have the fancy)-

now, this morning I awoke and in one instant could view myself from the perspective of one year ago: and I must say that I found myself somehow unbelievable and powerful, my physical frame has grown strong, my mental frame grown firm, my spiritual grown curious and open and not so easily scared. Instead of wondering about single events like I so often did during that period, I realized all I am capable of at once: I eg can bang my fist against a wall w full force and not hurt myself, can drink half a bottle of whisky without having a hangover ;) , pass by dogs and wild animals without being noticed by them (I circle my qi (or whatever its called) inside without having learnt it), dont have nightmares anymore, and though psychologists might disagree: I can be embarrassed or shy, still I cant be really afraid; I can tune in to waves that turn into the future and slightly twist them (I feel this between my stomach and solar plexus) etc, etc. can you believe that I didnt fully realize all this until that morning? now I knew what was meant by the phrase that says "those so called supernatural abilities often come as mere side effects", I know what "perseverance furthers" means: change one tiny thing in your life constantly: and a new world opens up (my first change a la caroll etal was to not take sugar in my coffee anymore btw), now and here I want to boast of these things for two reasons: for one I want to let them go- now that I have realized them I can (maybe) change some of my practices, and the other reason is that this board needs more open and honest exchange, cause the things I wrote are considered newbie stuff and so it could be that many are afraid of sharing similar experiences. But this is so wrong: I have done some of the canonical methods like invocation and sigils too in this time, and they surely contributed: but the important thing is: what for? all of those (even successful) magical operations are nothing compared to the realization I had that morning- this is very personally colored, but for me all gods and demons and philosophical systems could not match this one small second of past foresight (though they may have enabled it)

So my advice to all new to magic who are eyeing the chaos approach is: try out different things but do those exercises and techniques you connect with at first sight and somehow have an affection for- be they as small as they want- but do them constantly and without excuse (even when they start to annoy you extremely- and they will) -cause someday you wont even recognize them anymore, they will have been internalized and become part of you- and then, someday youll awaken :)http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:fNRxWcynq6AJ:www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/index.php%3Ft-12354.html+kuroyagi+one+step+forward&hl=de&gl=at&ct=clnk&cd=1

[Marcus_]

Kuro, that's cool.
I can tune in to waves that turn into the future and slightly twist them (I feel this between my stomach and solar plexus) etc,May I suggest, that you tune into your ultimate self/ultimate form.

Look far into the finest parts of the future, and try to align your present self with your ultimate self, so that you can guide your ship to the shore, though the fog of randomness.

I believe that all time-engineering should be used in a compounding fashion. Ex: alter the future, so that events lead to you becoming more adept at altering the future.;)

WellWishes+

[Phoenix]

Good evening, inquisitive minds,

Would you agree if i told you that the human being is actually a representation of it´s own mind!!?

The power you speak of, could it be perception?or maybe awareness to the litle details that life presents us?

Can a human being tap into a frequency of insight?

That my friends is true power, how many of you have foretold events from the simple fact that you lived throught a similar experience! :eek:

And one more thing, the power you speak of is it !!? what !!?pyromancy, geomancy, telechenices, superstreangth???

Or is actually related to your own self-awareness?
Please coment, i look forward for your answers.

[Xenocrates]

Power can't be reported, or had, only exercised. If I "have the power" so to speak to, let's say, oust one of my roomies of the flat (which I "don't have"), but don't use it, what power do I "have"? I could merely say I have the right to do it. I might be sure I have the power to rearrange my bedroom, but if I fail to do it (too lazy, lol), what power do I "have"?

Purported "powers" could always be bragadoccio, and over the internets the face-to-face connection needed to truly accept someone's claims, is lost.

If we report "powers" here, we're just giving a string of words, unrelated to each other's worlds (unless they've had similar experiences), and to whatever extent they're accepted, it's just by virtue of the reader's tolerant nature. I, myself, can't critically develop my own worldview and at the same time uncritically accept other's, at least not yet, and I don't even think I want to.

I could be making up everything I write here, although I claim I do not, but you will never know, unless our experiences overlap in some way or another.

Plus, wording things in terms of "powers" focus the attention in static terms of things "we can do" and things "we can't do", which is the first thing we all probably want to get rid of if we have an account here.

Also, we might talk about achievements, but the universe seems to have a tendency to bitch-slap me for bragging, unless I tread very carefully.

Final words: surprise factor.

[Amur]

Here it comes...

I'm wondering how powerful each member of the forum is, and also, how aware they are.

Knowledge, extended perception and extended awareness are not raw power, but I'd like to talk about "power" in the wider sense of the word: Ability.

So, if anyone would like to share details about their personal level of progress, I'd be glad to hear it.

I think everyone is of Equal Divinity in one way or another unto Themselves as They Are in Truth, but mostly the whole issue seems to harmonize the 'instrument' (The Body Organism) into the Higher Aspects and so forth, and doing that can be hellish in a world as crazy as this one, where mostly it seems about Domination and How Big One's Penis Is, which I think is alltogether silly as I think it's more about non-domination and humbleness and accepting things as they are and changing through that and so forth....

I'm actually going to write some story books about different worlds and such and there's this Asshole Allmighty God who Got So Much Power that He In The End Destroyed Himself as a consequence of that so I don't think that Power is really the whole issue here, perhaps it's more about balance and harmony and frictionless Design into ones own Higher Aspects and so on, which seems to be more important than another Asshole Domination Game on who's the best God Damn Jerk on the planet.

Well decide for yourself of course but that's my intake on the matter, if you want power, play some role-playing games and use cheat codes to become ominipotent and see how fucking boring it is...

[AfterViewer]

INteresting activation of an "old" thread, Guys. Scrolled back a few posts just to read Kuroyagi's personally candid (minus the sugar) offering of insight on the subject at hand; "power" phenomenon has been around for a long time, some of it well documented. Of course much fraud has been well documented also. Within martial arts history you will also find this ( Higher Forms ? ). I like Kuroyagi's approach which is very measureable on what I consider a very important level, and hope to incorporate the same in my own practices. Honesty is not only a virtue but can be a sigil- like energy form in itself that is no doubt (to me) essential for personal evolution.

[Ritual_Kiss]

How do I answer something like that? The only way to know how powerful I am is to look at both my failure and success and compare myself to other people. I don't like comparing myself to others. Still, there's no way to really tally points, ya know? I know there are things I am better at and worse at than others. In terms of my own standards, There are things I know I have to improve on, and I try. Sometimes I succeed with excellence and others take more time. Some things I've been dealing with since I was young. But I'm sure that's true of everyone.

All I really know is this:

I have a better understanding of my physical and mental body and have over the years gradually beat clinical depression.

I have found my true Will.

I have a pretty good understanding of how magick works, and I can cast some really successful spells. When I fail, I try again another way and I eventually figure it out.

For the most part, I'm happy.

[Transcix]

How long is a piece of string?

I don't think it is measurable as an isolate, only really in relation to who you are working with or against at any one time.

For example, in the last three months I have been said to be a fluff bunny and a very capable magickian. Can these both be true?

Yes, I suppose they can be.

If you are asking how I view myself, truthfully? as a beginner.

Bear in mind though, that we all develop different skills to a greater or lesser degree, so again, we are back to the length of the string.
But it is not totally ineffable, by the same token as you said you view yourself as a beginner, you make a value judgment, we make tons of these judgments everyday, and we cannot take for granted that we make them, nor can we deny it.

I don't think this thread has to be about flushing out the bravado hounds. When I first viewed it I thought it was an honest question. But I forgot how quickly people grow hostile and tense when confronted with simple questions as to their 'capacity', as Marcus put it.


To a very large extent "powers" are trivial. They are interesting but they don't actually denote one's degree of magickal progress. In most cases they are distractions. If you start from the assumption that every man and every woman is ultimately omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent then what really matters in life is not so much the aquisition of powers as the advancing of the human condition as a whole. Because humankind, as a whole, is in a whole lot of trouble and an obsession over the aquisition of power and powers has a big part to play in that dilemma.

I can do anything I want or need to do so long as it does not run contrary to my own standards...my own "Law" as it were. When that does occur...when I hit a wall of one kind or another, I am always aware of a certain underscoring explanation to it having to do with its irrelevance to my more important objectives.

I am aware of being on a certain mission in this life...of having something fairly specific to accomplish that will, if it succeeds, have the general effect of raising the energy/consciousness foundation of the whole world. This is not so unusual as you might think...this happens anytime anyone manages to introduce significant new knowledge into the global pool.

So powers are fine...but any power that someone might have, anyone might have and for all of these powers the condition of the world itself still remains in peril. Powers simply do not make a proper indicator of how much progress you have made in life itself.

m1thr0s
Nice reply, m1th0s. What do you mean exactly by those underlined sentences? And why do you say the world is in 'peril'?


There is, I think a difference between aknowledging progress (which is just a measure of the growth of ones willed projects), and fetishizing it's bi-products. I think the warning is not so much related to one's actual state of affairs but rather that thinking about them in a quantified way can lead to bullshit and bravado which is just a simulation rather than a reality. To extend your analogy, try taking the person who, to be the 'best' starts taking Steroids, or who, in order to 'prove themselves' does something foolish which results in injury or death. Nobody who is in this game for the long run is going to sit around bragging about how big their wand is on the internet. Those who know don't say, those who say don't know.
-Ibisis-
Very true, however, I would certainly hope that those who Know/See and who are in this game for the long run, such as myself I suppose, would come to discussion forums online and talk about their abilities, among other things. Nothing should really be hidden as in kept secretly occult, power is nothing to be hoarded or secretively stored, indeed True power cannot be, but other kinds of power can - in terms of keeping it away from the masses - but that's not what you're implying, so I guess I'm just slightly confused by your post. :laugh: Why don't they say?


*There are infinite kinds of power.
*There are infinite kinds of imbalance.
*There are infinite kinds of balance.

The people I've seen whom abused their powers, tended to be the sort who were to impulsive, egoic and they were not calm with their work.
Hmmmm, perhaps there are infinite kinds of power, imbalance, and balance. And it would take a literally infinite (never-ending) amount of time for us to go through any one of them. So what's your point?


Real masters consolidate and only use what they must use and don't get too invested in shortcuts...
Heh, amusingly, I understand what you're saying to Marcus, though I'd like to interject that I'm all for shortcuts! In terms of efficiency, 100% investment in shortcuts, as long as they don't actually end up being long cuts, if you will, is 100% sound. Consolidation might have more to do with time, and managing your own desire? But of course I'm completely in agreement with your post in general. :laugh: :3biggrin:


well that's an excellent point...you know, I wanted the Institute to be able to juggle all these different kinds of focuses...I don't really see any problem with exploring powers so long as it can be done intelligently..

Ah, you've got to love art!



and the other reason is that this board needs more open and honest exchange, cause the things I wrote are considered newbie stuff and so it could be that many are afraid of sharing similar experiences.
Hmmmm, that doesn't sound like newbie experiences to me? Who is under this impression?

[Anibis]

Very true, however, I would certainly hope that those who Know/See and who are in this game for the long run, such as myself I suppose, would come to discussion forums online and talk about their abilities, among other things. Nothing should really be hidden as in kept secretly occult, power is nothing to be hoarded or secretively stored, indeed True power cannot be, but other kinds of power can - in terms of keeping it away from the masses - but that's not what you're implying, so I guess I'm just slightly confused by your post. :laugh: Why don't they say?



Well, it IS a bit of a poker game and will always be so. It is NEVER to ones advantage to have everyone know your full capabilities. In fact it is good to be underestimated, in terms of survival. While its fine to talk about what you can do, the tenor of the question Marcus asked NOT qualitative, but quantitative. I can tell you that I read tarot, do gematria, manipulate the flow of time, and what not... that's not the question. The question is 'how powerful are you?' and what's the answer? 'Very'?, 'a little'?, 'Monstrously'?, 'not at all'?. !?. Any answer of this sort is, uh, relative, and has little to do with actual abilities, and more to do with image, or perspective. Either that which you are projecting to the world, or that which you wish to hold of yourself. Either way, it's a disadvantage to say, because in silence, power, prescience and the like have limitless free play: they aren't being measured, they simply do what they do when they need to do it, but when spoken of, these statements invoke falsehood. If I say "I am weak", this is true, but it is also false. If I say "I am very strong", this is true, but it is also false... I will get caught in meaningless classifications, and will more than likely end up undermining my capacity to act, by blinding myself to the nature of the moment. But if I shut up and smile, I can use what powers I may have, in the right place at the right time, and have success. The element of surprise is essential to magic(k).

-Anibis-

My previous post was of course old, and perhaps not my most lucid, but still, do you see what I mean? Asking a question like that is both futile and paradoxical...

[m1thr0s]

Nice reply, m1th0s. What do you mean exactly by those underlined sentences? And why do you say the world is in 'peril'?knowledge is not a static sum...it is in a constant state of flux, evolving exponentially from generation to generation. knowledge is power, but power devoid of wisdom can be fatal. humankind has experienced an unparalleled surge in the evolution of knowledge of things but is short on wisdom...so short that its own knowledge now threatens its own existence and is rapidly fouling its own nest beyond the point of no return.

These things are happening quickly - so quickly that we don't really see it happening - we are accustomed to a certain buffer against our own stupidity. The world has always managed to provide this but it cannot always do so. If humankind is absolutely determined to go right straight to hell - then to bloody hell it must go. It's hard to stop a baboon with nuclear weapons from taking out himself and everything else with him. If humankind cannot rise above the mentality of the baboon, then soon enough his reign is forfeit...

This isn't something happening in the distant future...this is going on right now at an accelerated pace. Our power has reached a place too great to be governed by our overall lack of wisdom. The price of that continuing is extinction - no middle ground on that.

But...how do we catch up at the level of wisdom? For all our knowledge we still do not know ourselves - still do not understand who we are in the universal scheme of things. In order to catch up we have to sort this out. We cannot progress toward a goal of balanced coexistence if we haven't got a fucking clue who we are. All our models of governance are obsolete and these obsolete models are taking us out. Humankind is the one animal in nature at variance to the rest of nature - and now in a position of power sufficient to bring it all down upon itself. The only thing likely to prevent this is a revolutionary breakthrough at the level of self-awareness. Something bold enough and powerful enough to rewire the the whole mechanism of ignorance.

m1

[Transcix]

Well, it IS a bit of a poker game and will always be so. It is NEVER to ones advantage to have everyone know your full capabilities. In fact it is good to be underestimated, in terms of survival. While its fine to talk about what you can do, the tenor of the question Marcus asked NOT qualitative, but quantitative. I can tell you that I read tarot, do gematria, manipulate the flow of time, and what not... that's not the question. The question is 'how powerful are you?' and what's the answer? 'Very'?, 'a little'?, 'Monstrously'?, 'not at all'?. !?. Any answer of this sort is, uh, relative, and has little to do with actual abilities, and more to do with image, or perspective. Either that which you are projecting to the world, or that which you wish to hold of yourself. Either way, it's a disadvantage to say, because in silence, power, prescience and the like have limitless free play: they aren't being measured, they simply do what they do when they need to do it, but when spoken of, these statements invoke falsehood. If I say "I am weak", this is true, but it is also false. If I say "I am very strong", this is true, but it is also false... I will get caught in meaningless classifications, and will more than likely end up undermining my capacity to act, by blinding myself to the nature of the moment. But if I shut up and smile, I can use what powers I may have, in the right place at the right time, and have success. The element of surprise is essential to magic(k).

-Anibis-

My previous post was of course old, and perhaps not my most lucid, but still, do you see what I mean? Asking a question like that is both futile and paradoxical...
Interesting, we view the situation from completely different angles. I completely disagree that it's good to be underestimated in terms of survival. As far as I'm concerned, I truly have nothing to fear, but that is not to say I'm not mindful of things, I do not aloofly walk into oncoming traffic or something. I do not understand why you interpreted Marcus' question the way you did. It's as if you are, via the secrecy you submit is so important, deceive yourself into giving away some of your power, in the sense that you do not believe you are impeccably invulnerable, as if you could possibly be killed, or lead into ignorance that you cannot find your way out of. So perhaps you are deceiving yourself as to your ultimate level of accomplishment in the first place? To ask how powerful are you is not necessarily to ask for a numerical measurement, or if not numerical, something otherwise similarly qantitative, but perhaps your need for secrecy persuaded you into seeing things in a particular light? Even if on some level he was involved in his own egocentrism, I think what he was asking - and moreover the way I choose to respond to (and therein frame) the question - is how powerful are you, in the sense of describing your limitations and capacities... not in terms of how you are able to be wounded, how your 'defenses' could be breached, but rather in the sense of defining your modality and dynamics of operation, of being, how you live - in an impeccable and invulnerable way - what limits in terms of desire and free will choice do you choose to regulate your individuality by, as it affects your awareness perspective?

I will answer that question for myself sometime later in this thread, and respond to m1thr0s, but for now I must be off. :)

Namaste

[Anibis]

It's as if you are, via the secrecy you submit is so important, deceive yourself into giving away some of your power, in the sense that you do not believe you are impeccably invulnerable, as if you could possibly be killed, or lead into ignorance that you cannot find your way out of. So perhaps you are deceiving yourself as to your ultimate level of accomplishment in the first place?

Secrecy. You know what it is about? Timing. That's all; it's about having all your equipoise when you need it. It's not about supression, or greediness, it's about meeting moments without making a mess.


As far as I'm concerned, I truly have nothing to fear, but that is not to say I'm not mindful of things, I do not aloofly walk into oncoming traffic or something.

Hmm... and if you are impeccably invulnerable, they WHY not walk blithly into oncoming traffic? If you submit that there is a place at all for carefulness, then you submit that things can happen in this world that one would do well to avoid, hence the use of strategy, planning, circumspection, and intelligence. Secrecy, moreover, is less of a tactic, and more of a fundamental fact of existence that must needs be adapted to, simply because each being's fundamental experience is hidden and known only to them (and in silence). The true deception is the illusion that words and writings can adequately impart this inner truth. I do not assume, or bandy about how 'powerful' I am and thus I am free to be as powerful as I need to be.

Since you have delivered this sortof odd attack(?) to me, I need you to answer the questions: why should anyone take any care whatsoever if we are invulnerable? What is the point of adaptation, if we are invulnerable? Why not take a step into traffic, if you are invulnerable? Answer those questions honestly, and I think you will see why I find marcus' question, and your appology of it, a little deluded as regards the nature of magic, power, and survival.

Life in an incarnated body requires strategy to persist. Strategy, if you havent noticed, draws quite a bit on deception. But is dishonesty and deception the same thing? That, Imo, is a point of genuine moral importance. You say you do not deceive, yet your response to me is dishonest: you wish to frame me in a certain way, and position yourself in another. Why, if you are invulnerable?

-A-

[m1thr0s]

I'm a huge fan of full disclosure for the most part, but it's always a time-sensitive issue both one-on-one and collectively. You can give people answers to things they have not even thought to question for instance...and if they don't go through the questioning process you might as well have flushed your efforts down the toilet.

But in a clinch it's usually better to pull out the stoppers and slam the pedal to the floor, knowing that a majority of people will probably not get it...some may only half-get it and do themselves damage...some will only get the words but never really see the greater interconnection - so take it all for it's curious *thingness* rather than integrating its principles.

Can't do much about that though...and it is also true that having a great many answers doesn't mean we have them all...another good reason for full disclosure...the clock doesn't stop ticking just because you have distilled things down to their core essence. We still have *becoming* to tackle with until one or more of us gets to a place where they can really facilitate the work of the rest of us...

Hermeticism is always apologizing for its secrecy while making excuses for it constantly...gets a tad annoying actually. But from a historical perspective it is a reasonable stance to take...that was then...this is now...and our collective demons have run entirely amok. I think it's about time to crack out the hammer and let 'em have it - no holds barred as they say.

m1

[Anibis]

Well at any given time, there are a million possible noises, sounds, utterances that one could make. Truly, I think that one needs to filter for the most appropriate. Part of this is simple discernment of sense from nonsense, and part of it is recognizing the impact of our disclosures on the world around us... if we have an aim in particular, it is also about having a specific impact on the world, and making disclosures that support that aim. There is alot of talk about speaking-your-mind-no-matter-what's-on-it and the like but an awful lot of things don't take root until they are spoken. Speaking them makes them real. We need to filter for that. Also, there are things like suprise-parties, poetic ah-ha's, card tricks, and philosophical epiphanies that require a specific sequence of percieved events to occur before they become meaningful: and then they are STELLAR... But if they are revealed out of context, a thing of beauty can be butchered. So what's the point in spilling the beans before the big finish? Timing is everything. We keep secrets SO THAT they can be revealed. Martial arts is based on deception. Strategy is based on deception. LANGUAGE is based on deception... The big difference between deception and dishonesty, is that deception can be good, bad, or neutral: it's a technique. Dishonesty involves doing violence to another person's well being: either literally, or by positioning them via language so they end up with perpetual societal disadvantages. Dishonesty is not a technique, it's a corrupt modality. Dishonest uses of secrecy and trickery are as reprehensible as all dishonesty is, blatant or no... Perhaps my fault here is for not clarifying this distinction, or perhaps I should have made more effort to link this word to SILENCE, because in the end, that is what I am talking about. It also has to be understood that I do sleight of hand like other people play guitar, or paint, so I have a certain specialized understanding of trickery, and how it can produce wonderment and joy... I guess that is not a perspective that's really out in the public domain...
-A-

[Anibis]

Hm! Transcix: I just had an insight which might make sense as to why we would come at these issues of estimation/underestimation, or vulnerability/imperviousness. Is it correct for me to assume that you are a Francophone Quebecer? I am writing and generally perceiving the world as a Newfoundlander... Believe it or not, Quebec and Newfoundland, despite being totally different in terms of demeanor, have more in common than any two provinces. This is because we both have a language distinction from the rest of Canada (in Newfoundland it is a unique (16th century) dialect), in Quebec it is French. We are also culturally autonomous 'nations' as it were: Quebec rather obviously, Newfoundland, for anyone who actually know the history (that is not taught in Canadian schools), and we also have our own film, music and cultural industries that are internal to our societies. It's the whole 'distinct society' thing. All that being said, because of the exact details of our respective histories, we've done things differently. Quebec has not been content to be misunderstood, and come out with the 'suprise' twist in the way we have. Instead she has fought hard (and I think rightly) for recognition as a power. Newfoundland, rightly or wrongly, because of it's unfortunate positioning (ask me and I will enlighten you), has had to proceed by being underestimated: we are thought/portrayed as a bunch of toothless ignorant yokels (especially in TO), and in order to thrive, NL'rs have sortof played to that (I'm not saying it's good, it's just true). So you have the Newfie joke (often perpetuated by Newfoundlanders), and the various stereotypes that we'll often play... But then again as a culture, we are dispersed widely across the country, and have infiltrated the media, an various industries to a great degree. Being a NL'r is sortof like being a mason, too, lol: we recognize one another more or less instantly, we share a love of the same natural aesthetic, and we are strong on helping each other out, whether we 'know' one another or not... so we have a bit of an advantage which comes out of our marginalization. Anyways... you could level this whole 'You are decieving yourself out of your invulnerability thing' at me, but in a way it's cultural... it's an adaptation, and it works... NL's stigma's not what it use to be... our industry is strong, and our celebrities have charmed the canadian people probably in ways that are subtler than most imagine... We are actually right about to take this country by storm, so to speak. So, perhaps, transcix, you might concede that whatever it is that bugs you so much about how I percieve things, is essentially a neccessary cultural tactic that reflects itself in my thinking... Don't know if you care, but it struck me this morning as probably true...

-A-

Why are we in Canada? We had our own 'referendum', sir... 1949: and the jury's out as to how clean it was... a 49/51 split, see...

[Kuroyagi]

Hmmmm, that doesn't sound like newbie experiences to me? Who is under this impression?
You should be careful with such statements- you could be thought of as being extremely slow in your own progress. ;) But all jokes aside- I am still of that opinion today, as it didnt take me much time or training. I'm actually understanding where Anibis is coming from, too; maybe one only should formualte it in a more general fashion long the lines of: "the ability to "deceive" gives one a "natural" advantage" [whether this means to play down ones abilities or exaggerate them, whether this is ethically good or bad is a different problem´- and it doesnt mean one has to lie to oneself either.]

[Kuroyagi]

Power can't be reported, or had, only exercised. If I "have the power" so to speak to, let's say, oust one of my roomies of the flat (which I "don't have"), but don't use it, what power do I "have"? I could merely say I have the right to do it. I might be sure I have the power to rearrange my bedroom, but if I fail to do it (too lazy, lol), what power do I "have"?

Purported "powers" could always be bragadoccio, and over the internets the face-to-face connection needed to truly accept someone's claims, is lost.

If we report "powers" here, we're just giving a string of words, unrelated to each other's worlds (unless they've had similar experiences), and to whatever extent they're accepted, it's just by virtue of the reader's tolerant nature. I, myself, can't critically develop my own worldview and at the same time uncritically accept other's, at least not yet, and I don't even think I want to.

I could be making up everything I write here, although I claim I do not, but you will never know, unless our experiences overlap in some way or another.

Plus, wording things in terms of "powers" focus the attention in static terms of things "we can do" and things "we can't do", which is the first thing we all probably want to get rid of if we have an account here.

Also, we might talk about achievements, but the universe seems to have a tendency to bitch-slap me for bragging, unless I tread very carefully.

Final words: surprise factor.Very solid post there, thanks for the inspiration, though I esp. don't fully agree with the first paragraph- not fully mind you- cause it would have to be supplemented by the passive strenght - of potential power (for an example think of your power over a mans life etc.; sometimes power can be as active if not used as if it were used). The Taoists talk about that a lot, too- also look into the Tantra arts and Zen for that. "Surpirse factor" is good! (and again connected with Ibis' later post, too.)

[AfterViewer]

:dull:Very interesting/informative thread, all. AV.

[Anibis]

Transcix writes:


Interesting, we view the situation from completely different angles. I completely disagree that it's good to be underestimated in terms of survival. As far as I'm concerned, I truly have nothing to fear, but that is not to say I'm not mindful of things, I do not aloofly walk into oncoming traffic or something. I do not understand why you interpreted Marcus' question the way you did. It's as if you are, via the secrecy you submit is so important, deceive yourself into giving away some of your power, in the sense that you do not believe you are impeccably invulnerable, as if you could possibly be killed, or lead into ignorance that you cannot find your way out of. So perhaps you are deceiving yourself as to your ultimate level of accomplishment in the first place? To ask how powerful are you is not necessarily to ask for a numerical measurement, or if not numerical, something otherwise similarly qantitative, but perhaps your need for secrecy persuaded you into seeing things in a particular light? Even if on some level he was involved in his own egocentrism, I think what he was asking - and moreover the way I choose to respond to (and therein frame) the question - is how powerful are you, in the sense of describing your limitations and capacities... not in terms of how you are able to be wounded, how your 'defenses' could be breached, but rather in the sense of defining your modality and dynamics of operation, of being, how you live - in an impeccable and invulnerable way - what limits in terms of desire and free will choice do you choose to regulate your individuality by, as it affects your awareness perspective?

To me, the more I think about it, the more that this post smacks of fundamentalism. There is this gnosis of 'invulnerability', with can't really account for anything we actually experience (such as the need to be careful), and yet deems it appropriate to impose a judgement on another's character, their spiritual progress, or their perception theirof... a Judgement based on the other's supposed lack of this gnosis. Perhaps I have invulnerability Through my attention to vulnerability! In a sense, Transcix has become the poster-boy for why these sorts of question are the mark of self-obsessed dilletantism... add to that the fact that this user has not stepped in to correct the (mis?)perception... I have lost much respect for him, sadly (respect which I honestly did have). Anyway... While it's cool to think, argue, or discuss what you will, pulling an ad-hominim insinuation about another person's progress is a one way ticket to that Garbage pile, Ge-Hennom, in my book... At the end of the day I evaluate my spiritual 'level' in the only way I can; it is exactly what it is: no more, no less. The fact that the only way I can accurate depict said 'level' is by way of a tautology, goes a long way towards saying why this is a futile, and self-deceptive question to be asking in the first place. As m1thr0s called it right off the bat; a circle jerk. Thanks for coming out...
-A-

[Anibis]

And this:

To ask how powerful are you is not necessarily to ask for a numerical measurement, or if not numerical, something otherwise similarly qantitative, but perhaps your need for secrecy persuaded you into seeing things in a particular light? Even if on some level he was involved in his own egocentrism, I think what he was asking - and moreover the way I choose to respond to (and therein frame) the question - is how powerful are you, in the sense of describing your limitations and capacities...


This is just incoherent, to my eyes...

-A-

[m1thr0s]

that's hilarious...I actually forgot there was an original question!

really...that doesn't happen very often... :o:laugh:

m1

[Anibis]

Trx:

Even if on some level he was involved in his own egocentrism, I think what he was asking - and moreover the way I choose to respond to (and therein frame) the question - is how powerful are you, in the sense of describing your limitations and capacities...

I actually think you were right about this... but there was futher context, if I recall in general as to how this user was interacting, but Transcix, the posts you dredged up were 2 years old, and it's not as if I went in and lambasted him... I gave him, like I gave you, fair play... That's a pretty cold trail to be basing personal cheap shots on...
-A-

Okay. I am finished with this.

[Xenocrates]

[trimmed]
...in silence, power, prescience and the like have limitless free play: they aren't being measured, they simply do what they do when they need to do it, but when spoken of, these statements invoke falsehood. If I say "I am weak", this is true, but it is also false. If I say "I am very strong", this is true, but it is also false... I will get caught in meaningless classifications, and will more than likely end up undermining my capacity to act, by blinding myself to the nature of the moment. But if I shut up and smile, I can use what powers I may have, in the right place at the right time, and have success. The element of surprise is essential to magic(k).

-Anibis-

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I just could hardly agree more with the two underlined sentences.

When, how and whether to disclose prescient knowledge is critical: too soon and you risk making it a causal factor, too late and it's not prescient anymore. Sometimes just letting others know eliminates the benefit. Doing it in a fashion or another is also a determining factor in other's reaction.

The element of surprise is, probably, the first step and tie from the non-magical to the magical (if they are at all separated)



[trimmed]

I don't think this thread has to be about flushing out the bravado hounds. When I first viewed it I thought it was an honest question. But I forgot how quickly people grow hostile and tense when confronted with simple questions as to their 'capacity', as Marcus put it.

[trimmed]

Very true, however, I would certainly hope that those who Know/See and who are in this game for the long run, such as myself I suppose, would come to discussion forums online and talk about their abilities, among other things. Nothing should really be hidden as in kept secretly occult, power is nothing to be hoarded or secretively stored, indeed True power cannot be, but other kinds of power can - in terms of keeping it away from the masses - but that's not what you're implying, so I guess I'm just slightly confused by your post. :laugh: Why don't they say?
[trimmed]


Transcix, you really have a couple of points there :yes: perhaps we're all taking the question too seriously, since even though more or less calmed, we all have kind of growled back at it as if it were an unacceptable question... Are we advocating for discretion, or are we embarrassed to answer? Occam's razor would leave us in the shameful half of that disjunction, for sure.

And what are we here for, if not sharing experiences and knowledge? Magicians and the like are never going to take over the world if they can't coordinate ;););)

Therefore, my answer:

What do I like:
I like mantic methods, cabalist things too (but really don't have any clue yet), chaos magic appeals to me to a certain degree (but I don't have much esteem for whomever thought of evoking batman and similar stunts, I rather like the formality of the approach).

What I don't like:
I'm extremely distrustful of gods* and their ilk, and of any contemporary magical theory that uses the word energy.
I haven't turned my back against religion through my whole life to come back later asking for some ethereal big boss' favor, and the word energy in metaphysical contexts makes me think of either dbz-style wishful thinking, or new-agey people,who just GIVE ME THE FUCKING CREEPS!

My current project:
Developing the mystic (metaphysical, magical, whatever you choose) aspects of my thinking alongside the rest of them, in a coherent whole, walking slowly but surely into occultism, without falling prey to magical lunacy, wishful thinking or discouragament.
Of paramount importance, behaving as magically as possible.

About power, I'm just a hatchling :D most of my accomplishments are just knowing things I shouldn't.

If you want me to tell something that I really see as an accomplishment, I'm most good at expecting the unexpected, and being right. Also, at bringing people a little bit closer to magic. Do these qualify as a magical accomplishments? Probably not, but heck, this metaphysical streak of mine was always on-and-off before this summer.


*Except for Hermes. As a gemini I'm under his patronage and can't do otherwise than to try living by his standards. It's not like I have decided this, it's just that I can't help feeling sympathy and identification towards his archetype. Nevertheless, I'm completely refractary to the appeal of worship.


Trx:


I actually think you were right about this... but there was futher context, if I recall in general as to how this user was interacting, but Transcix, the posts you dredged up were 2 years old, and it's not as if I went in and lambasted him... I gave him, like I gave you, fair play... That's a pretty cold trail to be basing personal cheap shots on...
-A-

Okay. I am finished with this.

I think it was me who dredged the thread....

[s1m0n]

Frankly my response to the original question would have to be "Who cares?"

I certainly don't.

[Anibis]

I think it was me who dredged the thread....

And there's no problem with doing that. I think it needs to be generally observed, though that when one does re-activate a thread, that context may be different... we should never be making attacks on each other's character, direct or indirect, and it's just not sound to bring in an OLD thread to support or challenge an argument without making some effort to see it in context. I am fairly satisfied that T has substantially undermined his own position through combination of passive aggressiveness and blinkered incoherence, but I would certainly not say that his posts or points are without value. He leapt upon what I suppose must have been a sore spot for him, but he didn't show me the respect that I think I, and everyone here is entitled to. Nobody likes it when the discussion turns to manipulation... It's a good rule of thumb to uh, try and learn a little about why someone thinks or says something, before assuming you have them 'pegged'. So anyhow, all is forgiven, let's get back to smart-talk...

-A-

[Anibis]

I

*Except for Hermes. As a gemini I'm under his patronage and can't do otherwise than to try living by his standards. It's not like I have decided this, it's just that I can't help feeling sympathy and identification towards his archetype. Nevertheless, I'm completely refractary to the appeal of worship.


Hells yeah...

And powers... wanna discuss powers... I guess I can catch sneaky people... That's a special talent of mine... By and large, it seems to be cuz they take me for a rube... But, like CCD says..."who cares?"

-A-

[UTI]

Here it comes...

I'm wondering how powerful each member of the forum is, and also, how aware they are.

Knowledge, extended perception and extended awareness are not raw power, but I'd like to talk about "power" in the wider sense of the word: Ability.

So, if anyone would like to share details about their personal level of progress, I'd be glad to hear it.


Coming into this thread very late, but I would say what I said to my brother when he asked me, looking at my bookshelf, what kind of "power" I have;

I have the power to turn a bad situation into something good, to turn sorrow into joy, and to laugh or cry whenever I see fit -that's the only power i look for, and the only real one i may ever have.


What kind of freaking circle-jerk would actually answer such a question Marcus?

Nice try though...maybe the thread will evolve into something anyway...for myself, I believe there are certain things that should simply not be revealed...

On the note of whether or not it is ok to disclose what a person is doing, my opinion is always that only lies and secrets have a price, the truth is always free. i.e. there is no reason not to try to gain some input, unless what you don't want to share is a secret, in which case it can't be verified as the truth in someone else's eyes, or a lie.

It is in my opinion good to share if it does not destroy the MO of what you are currently doing. Of course, that does not stop anyone from sharing past experiences. When people have asked me for advice, I have never hesitated to tell stories of my own experience as an example -mostly of how one should not do said thing.

Furthermore, half the people I know who, like me, always share their thoughts and experiences on "these issues" have been, or are presently, incarcerated in a criminal psychiatric ward for various acts of megalomania and violence. To my own great relief and surprise, I am not, perhaps mainly because it is most important to be truthful to oneself regarding these things, and always take reality first. People who boast about their "power" to their friends and people online, or who guard their secrets too tight to ever know from second mouth if they're full of shit, will eventualy usurp more and more of their own lies -selling reality for a lie is a hefty price. That is, to me, an even greater reason to always tell the truth of one's experiences rather than hiding a half-truth out of fear of being exposed as a liar, or boasting a half-lie out of fear of falling behind.

As a conclusion, I think it is absolutely ok for this dude to ask such a blunt question.

I'll try to catch up to the 3-or-so pages of this thread I haven't read later, right now I gotta work, so I'll pull out my hair out later over all the things that I just re-stated, that other people already said 5 times. Have pity on my lazy reading!

-J

[Xenocrates]

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Furthermore, half the people I know who, like me, always share their thoughts and experiences on "these issues" have been, or are presently, incarcerated in a criminal psychiatric ward for various acts of megalomania and violence. To my own great relief and surprise, I am not, perhaps mainly because it is most important to be truthful to oneself regarding these things, and always take reality first.
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-J

Quoting from a little article I found very much interesting, titled "Magic for human beings":


The magician is out of the assylum just because nobody notices he's following a nutty sinchronicity, and because he doesn't have a fit if it fails.

[Anibis]

Furthermore, half the people I know who, like me, always share their thoughts and experiences on "these issues" have been, or are presently, incarcerated in a criminal psychiatric ward for various acts of megalomania and violence. To my own great relief and surprise, I am not, perhaps mainly because it is most important to be truthful to oneself regarding these things, and always take reality first. People who boast about their "power" to their friends and people online, or who guard their secrets too tight to ever know from second mouth if they're full of shit, will eventualy usurp more and more of their own lies -selling reality for a lie is a hefty price. That is, to me, an even greater reason to always tell the truth of one's experiences rather than hiding a half-truth out of fear of being exposed as a liar, or boasting a half-lie out of fear of falling behind.



-J


Wow, that's a great way of looking at it. Makes a good deal of sense it does. But is there not a time where keeping one's peace isn't out of fear, but out of a perceptual truth: that reality is percieved in it's entirety, in a kind of silent rapport between the thinker, their body, and the universe? I guess I'm and advocate of that... I sure am a chatty silence advocate, though, lol...

"How powerful are you." is a misleading question, cuz it doesn't to me say "what powers have you developed?" it says: give me an adjective to describe your level of power. That being said, when I looked back at the beginning of this thread, I feel like marcus went on to clarify that he would like details and account. Still the title of the thread is unfortunate...

ALot of us draw quite a bit on taoism for out inspiration, so the question is viewed in that light: as fundamentally deceptive. BUT if you are talking about accounts of experiences and such... it's a different story: what can you do, what have you done... that's pretty fair game, I guess. But 'How powerful are you?' NOBODY can answer that with any hope of accuracy, because nobody knows how powerful they are or aren't: our inclinations in this matter are notoriously skewed and subject to illusion...

-A-

[m1thr0s]

As a conclusion, I think it is absolutely ok for this dude to ask such a blunt question.oh sure...it was ok. I've been around forums a long time though...that kind of question is almost always just an invitation to the most obscene conversations imaginable...not at all the reality-orientation you are emphasizing Uti. Coming from that perspective, the one you just expressed...pretty much anything is ok.

Honestly...I have no fucking clue what the upper-end of my "powers" might be and I don't think I even want to know... To me that's just not how the world really works. The only powers I even want are those that pull me through my own limitations as I come up against them and I am happy to settle for the most practical solutions in the first case. There are certain unusual things I can more or less do at will upon summonsing that will, there are other things I do more or less all the time and there are certain things I only intuit to be possible once a necessary amount of work has been accomplished towards those ends. And then there are certain things that surprise even me...things I had no idea I could do and don't even have a clue how I do them.

I don't personally have even one good clean reason on this earth to treat any of these things like a show-and-tell though and the idea of *sharing with others* doesn't change that because it's really none of *others* business anyway...so, to me, it really is still just a circle-jerk sort of mental masturbation game. But I admit, it is possible to approach things differently. I wouldn't expect it to be the same for everybody. Maybe I'm coming from an old-school sort of attitude but this forum is visible to anybody and I don't think it's such a great idea to show off the hand you're playing while you're still playing it. There is such a thing as *jinxing* your own abilities through trivializing them.

But that's only regarding personal stuff...stuff that properly belongs to everybody I always think should be openly discussed as much as possible.

m1

[Xenocrates]

[trimmed]

I don't personally have even one good clean reason on this earth to treat any of these things like a show-and-tell though and the idea of *sharing with others* doesn't change that because it's really none of *others* business anyway...so, to me, it really is still just a circle-jerk sort of mental masturbation game.

[trimmed]

There is such a thing as *jinxing* your own abilities through trivializing them.

[trimmed]
m1

Moar liek web masterbation as it invoelvs teh e-penis :rofl:

And on the second fragment, that sounds so true :sad:

[m1thr0s]

Moar liek web masterbation as it invoelvs teh e-penis :rofl:seriously.
I was curious about that term...e-penis...so I googled it...mostly dumbass shit but this was kind of funny...:D


http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/my_hair_is_a_bird-257x300.jpg


m1

[Anibis]

Wow! that's hilarious... But doing a google-search on 'e-penis'? You're a braver man than I. I hope it didn't start off as an image search, lol...

-A-

[Anibis]

Another thing that came up for me... Spirituality as I experience is is very physical: bodily, as it were... As such my treatment of it and consequent powers is based on my treatment of mine and other bodies... What my body(ies) can do, my spirit can do. But bodies need to be taken care of. Now, I know that upon death, I am physically recycled, and that I have an actual physical relationship to stardust, and such. (Also, I feel my 'Magick' coming from somewhere around the stomach, like K, mentioned)... Now there is an eternal substance, no doubt, and I am part of that, but at the point where I connect to it, my particularity dissolves so completely that it's meaningless to call it 'me'. Still, I think that the physical body may die, and a more subtle body may remain, only to re-inhabit another physical body... BUT that subtle body changes too... So, as long as I'm particularized either physically, or subtley, I owe to that being the care necessary to protect and develop it... I cannot afford to take for granted that on the physical, or even spiritual level, (or for that matter, the moral level, whatever that may be) that I am invincible. Hence the need for morally passable strategy in relation to the protection of these delicate magickal conglomerations that we term our selves.
-A-

[m1thr0s]

But doing a google-search on 'e-penis'? You're a braver man than I.yeah...pornographic courage is one of my *powers*... :eek:

some of the trouble with this topic is rooted in the notion of possession...if we just asked - what kinds of startling phenomena have you experienced? - the whole heuristic would totally shift. Similarly, what kinds of unexpected awareness? But when we start in asking what kinds of powers/awareness do you have, it's a whole other can-o-worms. I don't trust the possession take on things like that and that's not usually how it works. There's all kinds of things I have experienced, so have some reason to think myself capable of these things...but I still don't do them all the time. Should I now classify those things as invalid because I can't say I altogether own them?

m1

[Anibis]

In response to UTI on the nature of disclosing half truths:

It seems that all utterances select for one side of a dichotomy while eliminating the other. I say I am 'powerful' to conceal my weakness, I say I am 'weak' to conceal my power. I say nothing, so as to conceal nothing. But even that does not work, because saying nothing both reveals and conceals everything. Then what must we do? To paraphrase the ideas of the wonderful French philosopher of science and time, Michel Serres: each utterance unbalances us in one direction: from one side... and yet, when we draw a full circle of utterances, we say everything (or nothing would work just as well: neither once can exhaust the other), we unbalance ourselves from ALL sides and directions... but to be unbalanced from ALL sides is to be a dancing sphere of potential movements: capable of going in any direction... One's power withdraws into a quivering micropoint of experience and response... A dancers, or an athlete's body. An intelligent body. I think this can be attained through full silence and full communication which are, through their respective imbalances somehow merged into one experience. I suppose I strive for this...
-A-

[dev]

I was curious about that term...e-penis...so I googled it...

This should be added to the Smilies:

http://www.chimpie.com/smilies/epenis.gif


It seems that all utterances select for one side of a dichotomy while eliminating the other. I say I am 'powerful' to conceal my weakness, I say I am 'weak' to conceal my power. I say nothing, so as to conceal nothing. But even that does not work, because saying nothing both reveals and conceals everything. Then what must we do? To paraphrase the ideas of the wonderful French philosopher of science and time, Michel Serres: each utterance unbalances us in one direction: from one side... and yet, when we draw a full circle of utterances, we say everything (or nothing would work just as well: neither once can exhaust the other), we unbalance ourselves from ALL sides and directions... but to be unbalanced from ALL sides is to be a dancing sphere of potential movements: capable of going in any direction... One's power withdraws into a quivering micropoint of experience and response... A dancers, or an athlete's body. An intelligent body. I think this can be attained through full silence and full communication which are, through their respective imbalances somehow merged into one experience. I suppose I strive for this...

Louis-Claude de Saint-Martin (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2526):

God is all; the tongue of God is the spirit; the tongue of the spirit is science; the tongue of science should be the learned man. But the ordinary man of learning is like a signboard, and full too often of errors in orthography, like the signboards of small shops. - source (http://kingsgarden.org/english/organizations/OM.GB/StMartin/Aphorisms.html)

Being silent adds mystery... and nothing is more attractive, or so I've found!

:cool:

[Transcix]

Trx:


I actually think you were right about this... but there was futher context, if I recall in general as to how this user was interacting, but Transcix, the posts you dredged up were 2 years old, and it's not as if I went in and lambasted him... I gave him, like I gave you, fair play... That's a pretty cold trail to be basing personal cheap shots on...
-A-

Okay. I am finished with this.
LMAO. I'm going to reply to everything that's been said up until this reply, as this is where I am at in reading the thread. I apologize for my tardiness in getting back to this discussion, as I had some urgent astral matters to attend to. It's funny Anibis how you would call me the posterboy, it is precisely that myth, that stereotype, that I was trying to debunk in my involvement in this thread, that's what spurred me to respond originally (though I had no idea this thing was two years old :laugh:). I certainly intend no offense to you, Anibis. I have also much disdain for the stereotypical craving for power that would-be occultists so often harbour. But lately I have realized that those who speak against this stereotype are in turn submitting other stereotypes, and everyone is far from the Truth of it. Two sides of the same coin, if you will, and the coin itself is based on much misunderstanding.

I shall start at the beginning before I get ahead of myself. Why not walk straight into traffic? Because then I would get hit by oncoming traffic. So the point is, that I am fully aware of my capacity to walk into incoming traffic, and as well I am fully aware of the traffic itself. I'm not saying that I'm ignorant of the traffic, so I had best mind minself when crossing streets - this implies a logical contradiction, that on one hand I understand what a street is, what traffic is, what cars are in the first place, and I understand how as a pedestrian to navigate the flow of traffic; yet on the other hand if I were to get hit by a car, it would not be an accident, but a free will choice - in reality it would not be a free will choice, for I understand how to cross a street and how the flow of traffic works, so it would rather be an accident. Nobody chooses to suffer - suffering is a matter of ignorance - and impeccability is not about never making mistakes, for indeed that would imply a completely sterile conceptual context, totally (and absurdly) intellectualized outside of the living cause/effect flow of animated reality, where no time, as specifically a product of *change*, could ever pass. Do you see what I'm saying? Impeccability is not about always being right, that's looking at it dualistically. Rather it's about recognizing how everything is partly a mistake, and this point underscores the utter limitations of language to convey the real meaning (at least summarily, as I am pressed for time) that does thankfully actually completely transcend any notion of innate sinfulness or human weakness in terms of "mistake" implying fault or miscalculation. It is a highly relative and subjective matter, yet at the same time completely objective and ordered as opposed to chaotic. I must leave for work and there is clearly a lot for me to clear up here, but Anibis, I certainly meant no offense! :laugh: :) The only reason I spurred you like that in the first place is because I'm something of a trickster or devil's advocate like that, and I knew your ego could take it, though I am surprised you took it as personally as you did. True power involves taking no offense whatsoever to such things. Isn't this a funny thread? I am so pleased to be a part of this forum, it is lending itself to some actually high quality discussions. :grin: I do apologize though for the tardiness of my reply, you wouldn't believe what I've been dealing with lately, but that is entirely another matter, I may make a thread about it in the coming days.

Namaste

peace n love :tsmug:

[Xenocrates]

This should be added to the Smilies:

http://www.chimpie.com/smilies/epenis.gif



FOR THE WIN!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

:laugh: :rofl: ...srsly.

[m1thr0s]

oh ok...but not just now...later today maybe..
I was sort of holding out for an animated but the best I could find was this: http://www.chimpie.com/smilies/jerkit.gif

maybe both...

m1

[Anibis]

I must leave for work and there is clearly a lot for me to clear up here, but Anibis, I certainly meant no offense! The only reason I spurred you like that in the first place is because I'm something of a trickster or devil's advocate like that, and I knew your ego could take it, though I am surprised you took it as personally as you did.

You underestimate how lame that post was, man. Please don't pull an "I meant to do that" on me... You may imagine yourself as having given me an enlightened jab towards truth, but like I said earlier, it ended up being a grammatically confusing bit of condescending manipulation, and you are not qualified to be my goad in this way. You did not word yourself very skillfully, there my friend, and it was insulting. Now, that being said: No problem... I am very glad you are chill, and I am chill too. I think some of your posts are fantastic, and I am cool with letting this slide. Do you see what I mean about cultural influences: I think that might very much have something to do with how our differences formed, here... and there's other factors involved: your last post makes me think that we agree on a lot of things, so I can only imagine that the problem was that we have different associations with the words we use... maybe. Clear communication is important, and I guess if this conversation continues, you and I will need to mediate what we mean a little better: but you're right, this is really interesting, and thanks for that. When I heard no response, but saw you reading the thread right after my initial (less bombastic) response, I became irritated, and without any input to 'correct' my view, drew some harsh conclusions about you... These I take back, and so let's start back at vulnerability versus invulnerability, speach versus silence, tactics versus trust... There's alot of juice here, and it may be that what we are looking at is essentially akin to the whole wave/particle debate... So let's keep the communications flowing... But for god's sake, let's not be assuming who is how enlightened because of how we personally view their philosophy or the words that they use... That way lies disharmony. I may be clever, but I'm not really that enlightened at all, and I know it. Like anyone else, I'm fighting for my soul here, and I'll be lucky and blessed for leaving this world with it in decent condition: corrosive conditions on this plane, and we need to be vigilant to keep authentic... I am allied with everyone that has this struggle, too. Truly, Namaste.



-A-

[Anibis]

seriously.
I was curious about that term...e-penis...so I googled it...mostly dumbass shit but this was kind of funny...:D


http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/my_hair_is_a_bird-257x300.jpg


m1




Uhm... is this Nicholas Cage?
-A-

[m1thr0s]

sure looks like him except for that ginormous forehead...

maybe photoshopped or something...

m1

[Anibis]

Maybe it's Lou Jacobs:

[s1m0n]

I was sort of holding out for an animated but the best I could find was this: http://www.chimpie.com/smilies/jerkit.gif

m1

That I like :laugh:

[Transcix]

Anibis, you are taking this waaaaaaay too personally. Unfortunately I do not have my wits about me at the moment, so I cannot converse with you in length. Once I get this astral crap sorted out (and at this point I'm not sure exactly how long it will take) I will look forward to our conversation!

[AfterViewer]

:DThat's just a bird sitting on top of his cage. AV.

[m1thr0s]

added :epenis: and :jerkit:

bon appetit...

m1

[Xenocrates]

sure looks like him except for that ginormous forehead...

maybe photoshopped or something...

m1

It's a shoop-da-whoop, I can tell from the pixels and from having seen quite a lot of shoop-da-whoops in my life.

[srsly, any current or former 4channers in here?]

[Kazahel]

I had a go just for fun and targeted Madrid the other day(3 days ago maybe?).. if there are hackers that see my computer or if people can see what cities I was checking out the other day online they wouldve seen this.. anyway I was focusing on Madrid and picked just that city because I thought it was not one that I read about much and it was just what I thought to target(something made me think to pick it). So after that I was waiting for Madrid news to pop up.. and soon after Madrid news popped up like magick!http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5082V820090109 (http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5082V820090109)

It was another awesome display I thought, and I love snow! :)

So is that a display of power or awareness?

[The Cove]

I am The Cove.

I am powerful.

If I pay attention.

Truly I do not perceive often.

But, when I do I am The Cove.

It is bothersome to be powerful.

I avoid it as much as possible.

[AfterViewer]

:)Very well put, The Cove. Your introspection is only surpassed by your love for prose.

[Anibis]

Cove has just single-handledly mastered every one of us with a poem, lol. Props.
-A-

[Taiji Bum]

Oogway speaking of the illusion of control (power)...
YouTube - The Way of Oogway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pwgKPZ2NS8&feature=related)

[AfterViewer]

AWEsome YouTUBE link, Darin. Hav'nt seen the movie yet ,but I intend to. Amazing animation these days, the emotional content in facial expression alone , captured by tech advances alone is priceless. Historically as you know, power and martial skills were coveted to the n'th degree as not doing so could very well mean your death or that of those you hold dear or honor. Thousands of documented accounts. Bruce Lee was one of the few people to start the "openess" that eventually (very slowly) took place in the world of martial arts when it comes to offering techniques that were never shown to Westerners. Have you ever seen the movie (an oldie) The " 7 Samauri " (Japanese) with English subtitles? Have seen tons of martial arts movies, its high on my appreciation list. AV.

[The Cove]

Where are all the white woman at?

Akira Kurosawa & Toshiro Mifune...

Cannot get much better...

[dev]

Akira Kurosawa & Toshiro Mifune... Cannot get much better...

Watch Throne of Blood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_of_Blood) for free:

Throne of Blood (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2562579153681604039&ei=yH9pSam2NIqGjQLHtviuBA&q=throne+of+blood)

:cool:

[Transcix]

Why do you all speak in such silly tongues? This is an OCCULT forum, of relatively high quality I suspect. But sometimes it is easy to forget, what is really important. In this shithole of a world. Speak not of the struggle to save the soul. Let us recall the adage that whosoever seeks to save their soul shall lose it! Just as existence and non-existence arise mutually. Is it a struggle, in this shithole of a world? Do any of you know the true definition of suffering like I do? You have no idea what I've seen, what I See. DO NOT FORGET the fight. DO NOT BE A VICTIM, lest it all be in vain. You speak like mortals. And you take offense like mortals. But this is a double-standard. You try to dismantle the stereotype of the 'my e-penis is bigger than yours'... and it is true that such people exist in great quantity. But do not resort, in your attempts to speak Truth, to employing the same language that you so detest. Don't speak like mortals, don't try to be cool. And if you think I'm trying to be cool you are wrong. I am simply great. AND SO SHOULD WE ALL BE. M1thr0s, you speak so often of the perversity of the modern human and modern civilization. It is indeed utterly disgusting, as are the layers of astral filth, astral evil and suffering more insidious and despicable than you could imagine, that lie beneath it. The solution to all of this is not to fail to realize the right answers, and it is not to, if one realizes their failure, to fall back upon the position that is of no higher standards than the average mortal: the notion that humans are weak, and can be nothing other than victims. If some people like me do speak Truth, do not presume that it would be anything other than TOTALLY UNCANNY to you at first. You miss It by such vast margines, that you do not even recognize it. But you DO recognize, I believe, on a forum of such high caliber, the hypocrisy beginning to grow in this thread. Do not try to defend the perversity of the human condition. It is not a matter of human standards at all! We are all potentially individual agents of consciousness, and though we may be incarnated in human vessels presently, we are not human citizens, but citizens of the UNIVERSE! Do not be so quick to presume to understand, my friends. And do not be so quick to take offense. Is it not possible that I, in saying these words, am not the least bit angry, or offended, by all your words? But simply, I do take pleasure in the art of expressing myself, just as in the art of every single other thing that I do? Why is this so difficult to understand? This is a question only each of you can answer for yourselfs, as the real TRUTH of it is simple, but surrounded by more infernal complexities than you presently grasp, but that deep down you do know to be at play.

Namaste my friends

[AfterViewer]

:dull:Hello Transcix. Have been tuned into this thread since it was reactivated, but for that reason alone. When I first checked into the ABFORUMS I made sure I also checked in with the rules and regulations SUGGESTORY. Not to lecture is pretty high on the standards list. There are always going to be arguments in communications of this nature, (a sign of intelligence). If someone turns a flame thrower on me, I think it's time for me to back off. Your input and posts are highly respected by all, even the last one . I thought this was an Alchemy/ Hermeticism forum that I had stumbled upon. Hope to hear much from you at ABF ongoing, beyond this Quantumstate we call EARTH. AV.>out.

[AfterViewer]

Thanx for the THrone of Blood movie link, deviadah. Have never seen it , am looking so forward to doing so.

[Anibis]

Why do you all speak in such silly tongues? This is an OCCULT forum, of relatively high quality I suspect. But sometimes it is easy to forget, what is really important. In this shithole of a world. Speak not of the struggle to save the soul. Let us recall the adage that whosoever seeks to save their soul shall lose it! Just as existence and non-existence arise mutually. Is it a struggle, in this shithole of a world? Do any of you know the true definition of suffering like I do? You have no idea what I've seen, what I See. DO NOT FORGET the fight. DO NOT BE A VICTIM, lest it all be in vain. You speak like mortals. And you take offense like mortals. But this is a double-standard. You try to dismantle the stereotype of the 'my e-penis is bigger than yours'... and it is true that such people exist in great quantity. But do not resort, in your attempts to speak Truth, to employing the same language that you so detest. Don't speak like mortals, don't try to be cool. And if you think I'm trying to be cool you are wrong. I am simply great. AND SO SHOULD WE ALL BE. M1thr0s, you speak so often of the perversity of the modern human and modern civilization. It is indeed utterly disgusting, as are the layers of astral filth, astral evil and suffering more insidious and despicable than you could imagine, that lie beneath it. The solution to all of this is not to fail to realize the right answers, and it is not to, if one realizes their failure, to fall back upon the position that is of no higher standards than the average mortal: the notion that humans are weak, and can be nothing other than victims. If some people like me do speak Truth, do not presume that it would be anything other than TOTALLY UNCANNY to you at first. You miss It by such vast margines, that you do not even recognize it. But you DO recognize, I believe, on a forum of such high caliber, the hypocrisy beginning to grow in this thread. Do not try to defend the perversity of the human condition. It is not a matter of human standards at all! We are all potentially individual agents of consciousness, and though we may be incarnated in human vessels presently, we are not human citizens, but citizens of the UNIVERSE! Do not be so quick to presume to understand, my friends. And do not be so quick to take offense. Is it not possible that I, in saying these words, am not the least bit angry, or offended, by all your words? But simply, I do take pleasure in the art of expressing myself, just as in the art of every single other thing that I do? Why is this so difficult to understand? This is a question only each of you can answer for yourselfs, as the real TRUTH of it is simple, but surrounded by more infernal complexities than you presently grasp, but that deep down you do know to be at play.

Namaste my friends

Transcix, you are out of line. This is preaching. Too bad.
-A-

[m1thr0s]

not quite sure who you are addressing Transcix but - as much as possible - I always try to let people sort out their own issues. I haven't followed this with a magnifying glass or anything...I got the general impression there was a conflict of self-expression occurring...happens all the time really...words are both amazing and fucked all at once....

Anyway...let's just try to get through it and back to some sort of common ground, if possible.

My view on people is always two-pronged...On the one hand we are dealing with the most depraved animal on earth who actually presumes to look down on animals (and the rest of nature) for maintaining the balance it cannot even bring itself to acknowledge. On the flip-side is the star principle and a completely unlimited potential that goes along with that. Most people are willing to blow that right out their asses but it only takes a few to completely redirect the rest. By in large...anything I have to share goes out to those few. I am not a nihilist, but also not an optimist in this regard.

So that's roughly my take on people...not quite sure why that came up. :confused:

m1