Magical self defense

[GreenMan]

Been trying to find something on this for a while. I can only find information on defending against psychic attack. Im interested in techniques for use against physical attack. Anyone know of any?

[izi]

Hypnotism and fear are two tactics - i use demons - i dont trust angels.

[m1thr0s]

physical attack as in some guy punching you or physical attack in terms of being physically attacked by something ethereal?
In general, the more authority an action carries, the more effective it will be defensively.
The action itself might be anything, so long as it carries your full confidence and attention.
It's authority is only partially in its construction...the bulk of it actually comes from you...so these things have to be *trained in* to be most effective.
one person runs a circle and pent and worlds tremble before it...the next person does the exact same thing and gets his ass kicked.
The fault does not lie with the tool but the person wielding it.

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[GreenMan]

physical attack as in some guy punching you or physical attack in terms of being physically attacked by something ethereal?

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As in some guy punching you. I just think there must be some entirely non-physical martial art out there.

[m1thr0s]

there is no such thing as non-physical magick.

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[GreenMan]

there is no such thing as non-physical magick.

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I didnt say there was. I said non-physical martial art. Defining non-physical as being non flesh on flesh contact. Or use of weapons such as knives etc.

[m1thr0s]

there's all kinds of martial arts weapons forms in that case...
(none of them are referred to as non-physical)...
pick one!

your question is not at all clear so don't get pissy if you're not getting the answer you want.
why would you even ask such an obvious question?

if you want to know what people's favorite or most effective weapons form is, just ask that!!
I'm partial to staff personally but it doesn't always work so well in a street environment...too visible.
chucks are always a reliable standby...

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[GreenMan]

If you read my post again M1thr0s you'll see i asked no such thing. I explained i was classing weapons as physical (obviously!) I dont understand why you think someone clarifying something is them getting 'pissy'.

[m1thr0s]

The title of this topic is Magical self defense

not until post #6 did you actually clarify what you were really after, but when you refer to a *non-physical martial art* in a topic titled magical self defense and then fail to understand other people's confusion, you would seem to me to have your head up your ass...or just be very poor at english. Is english your second language?

No one has ever referred to weapons forms as *non-physical martial arts* to my knowledge. They typically class as a hand-to-hand combat disciplines.

There are stealth forms of course...assassin stuff...darts and so on...

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[izi]

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I don't think he was getting pissy m1thr0s

he was just stating his question inadequately.

I went through the whole Goetia once before asking all of them for nothing but protection. Weird shit happens around me now - subtle incidents that show me they are still around, invisible to me, shown only in freak accidents or presence of their aura in meditation.

All martial arts have a non-physical aspect - even modern shit forms like Tae Kwon Do. There is a lot of mysterious technique taught at higher levels, I am most familiar with some of the techniques taught in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu which purportedly grant night vision, stealth and other interesting effects. But that's for another thread....

[GreenMan]

Im not here to argue. Naomi clearly understood as can be seen in post 2. That gives me something to look further into anyway. Hope we can put this behind us.

[m1thr0s]

I don't appreciate poorly formed questions.
It wastes time and energy for no good reason.
I also didn't say anyone had become pissy...what i said was:

your question is not at all clear so don't get pissy if you're not getting the answer you want.There is no such thing as a *non-physical martial arts* form...and I don't give a flying crap how they market it...if it impacts the physical, it's physical!

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[izi]

hehe

yes on that you are correct

I am the one usually ranting about that so good job on noticing - it flew right by me

[m1thr0s]

post #2???

Hypnotism and fear are two tactics - i use demons - i dont trust angels.responds to the question of *magical self defense*...not *non-physical martial arts*...

don't use one ambiguity to justify another. There is an ethereal aspect to anything under the sun, but things like weapons, knives etc are clearly *physical*.

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[GreenMan]

If magic is used in combat then it is a martial art. A martial art is any technique or group of techniques used in battle,martial meaning pertaining to war. What i was trying to get to is this: are there any techniques of magic that can be used as an on-the-spot martial technique. I have succesfully used shielding and also, i suppose it could be called, sleight of hand in a defence situation and wanted to expand my repetoire.

[m1thr0s]

sounds to me like you should be looking into *sympathetic magick*, which, to greater or lesser extents is employed in martial arts emphasizing reading your opponents body language so closely you can know what he's about to do before he does it...it isn't limited to *body language* however, even generals fighting at a distance place a great value on this particular skill.

similar to *aura magick* but also includes actually slipping into sync with your target psychically and crossing him up internally. In general, all telepathic/telekinetic magick has its martial arts applications.

talismanic magick is another area...spells, charms, amulets, sigils and seals...nearly all forms of magick have been employed defensively/aggressively at one time or another.

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[GreenMan]

Thats excellent, thank you.

[Moonburn]

In general, all telepathic/telekinetic magick has its martial arts applications.


There are certain ways that you can temporarily stun a person's unconscious mind. I've toyed around with it and a few similar things... but as usual it takes a lot of practice. It's not something you learn in a year or two. In a combat situation, people are very difficult to mentally influence... at least "magically" speaking. There are also ways that you can get the person's own mind to attack itself.

In other areas, I've been experimenting with time dilation. It's another practice that yields results slowly.

I think that there's a reason that all the fancy mind stuff is taught last in martial arts schools (ex. Shinobi Jitsu). They're not as reliable as a kick in the nuts.

Edit: Talismanic magic and shielding can make a person decide not to attack. It's easier to influence someone in a relatively relaxed state. Also, when combined with physical martial arts stuff, you can use attacks as windows for your magic. When struck, your body relaxes totally for a fraction of a second. You can also use this for more prosaic things. For instance, striking the inside of the forearm makes it impossible for a person to hold something in that hand.

[Kiehlroy]

This thread is a little old but it's one that I feel that I have the right experience in to chime in. Frankly, I'm not sure why this is listed under "Paranormal and Utopian".

Personally, I don't claim to be and ascended Gung Fu master or anything. I just have some practical experience to offer. Experience combined with a proclivity for self-analysis.

-First and foremost, you need a mind for fighting. To develop this you need to learn how to get your ass kicked physically. You need to have a body that understands a fight in the physical world. You need to have been punched, kicked, elbowed, etc. People are afraid of the unknown. This way you know intimately what you are trying to prevent in the first place and you won't be stunned by the reality that just hit you square in the face. This helps you develop your goal, whatever that may be. Getting hit is not as bad as you think it will be.

-Second, learn how your body works. Move! This is where many various martial arts, even the "shit" ones, their"katas" and actual sparring will help. You have to be aware of the physics involved. What you can and can't do on the physical plane and the simplest ways to achieve your goal, or"economy of motion" as Jeet Kun Do puts it. I am a fan of Bruce btw.

-Last, but the most important for me is to fight for a good reason! Moral high ground has NEVER let me down.

When I knew I was right I didn't have any part of myself on reserve. I was ALL there. That's the most important thing.
Many people speak of "responsibility" when dealing with enemies. I know this is true. From a psychological standpoint the more conflicts and blocks you have lingering in your psyche the more resistance there is to overcome. You can't fight an enemy optimally while you are still fighting yourself.

In other words, your house is always vulnerable as long as it is not in order.

[m1thr0s]

In other words, your house is always vulnerable as long as it is not in order.ditto that - and along with this we also have to consider that some attacks against us may simply be wake-up calls to that very important principle. So you can't always over-react to shit just because it might have hit you. It can happen that you actually hit yourself through someone else for instance. You have to always consider if it might have hit you because you needed a good slap to wake you up. I hate it when people get all freaking vengeance-oriented without checking themselves thoroughly - don't they realize that other forces are constantly pulling people's strings? It's not always as personal a thing as people might make it out to be. great post Kiehlroy!


Frankly, I'm not sure why this is listed under "Paranormal and Utopian".me either...moving it to the Magick forum...

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[Amur]

Path of no resistance might work best against physical attacks, if you are of no harm whatsoever no one will likely attack you. Though this might sound weak but it evolves around the water principle, it fills everything yet takes the path of least resistance. This is far from being the same thing as letting people abuse you, that has it's own fractal pattern and can mostly be worked within to remove the unconscious patterns.

For myself I use my own psycho side or give the vibration of a mass-murderer without limits, it's usually crazy enough to keep any people at bay, of course listening to one's own intuition is best for what you have against yourself. Another technique which works very well is to have important work to do on this planet, it kinda gives you the protection of the planet itself against situations disrupting your own work and in this way you needen't spill our any own energy on the whole matter. Another technique described in the 5 rings is to make your own being or spirit much bigger than what you really are, it's a fairly well adopted technique of many natural creatures, make a 30-feet big demon standing inside you ready to kill anyone foolish enough to come near and I don't think you will have any problem whatsoever, and adapting an attitude of 'causing as much harm as possible' in a fight situation without regards for how much you get crap yourself is also a pretty sure way to fend off most attackers (since most do not like to be punched). Otherwise I recommend martial arts or charging up talismans, like a necklace, be sure to be percise enough to not give too much space for wild magic running amook.

[Kiehlroy]

Oh, and I forgot about the fourth dimension... respect.

respect(n.)

c.1300, from L. respectus "regard," lit. "act of looking back at one," pp. of respicere "look back at, regard, consider," from re- "back" + specere "look at" (see scope (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=scope) (1)). The verb is 1540s, from the noun. Meaning "treat with deferential regard or esteem" is from 1550s.

When passing a human on the street you should "respect" them. Ignoring them or presuming that they are hostile might just piss them off and, unfortunately, cause the very problem you had intended to avoid in the first place.

Humans are not without senses.