Creating Magickal Entities

[Krafkar]

Hails

I found this book about how to evoke magical entities, it is really interesting. I wanted to ask who has done it before, or what information one should know while doing this.

Ebook:
Creating Magickal Entities (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2203815/David-Michael-Cunningham-Creating-Magickal-Entities)

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[m1thr0s]

The idea of creating magickal entities has been around forever, so the more you delve into it the more references you are bound to find stretching all the way back to the roots of civilization and finally vanishing into the enigmatic shamanic past.

If you take it too literally it will only be a useless obsession, but it can be used as a kind of prop illuminating the principles of reality creation in general, which ultimately leads to higher operations than simply manifesting *entities*...

It helps to understand that no matter what you do, any entities you create are extensions of yourself, even though you may fashion it upon something else...it doesn't matter...it's still an extension of you.

m1

[LordDagon]

I own a copy of this book and after reading I was kind of puzzled.

m1thr0s- you seem to know some more about this subject. Can you give a little detail so I can understand it better ?

[Amur]

I own a copy of this book and after reading I was kind of puzzled.

m1thr0s- you seem to know some more about this subject. Can you give a little detail so I can understand it better ?

When you create something, it is you who created it and thus follows your own reality-tunnel more or less so in this sense it's merely an extension of your own mind / consciousness and has traces of yourself. The key lies into creating harmonies inside oneself that can enforce the foundation of oneself.

But still it's nice to explore what one's own consciousness is able to create as it's quite a vast resource in itself, be it spirits, demons or gods or whatever divine.... Our own unconsciousness has a very large resource and most don't know how to use this potential to their own benefit.

If you want to ask some more detailed questions I can answer....

[Krafkar]

I understand,

At last no one will resolve our problems, even a created entity will not. It´s made from our will power, so it is an extension of our power.

Talking about shamanic past, I that I'm interested in the Norse. A friend long time realized that the runes where used for holding entities too. The bind runes often have the shape of humanoids, or anthropomorphic figures.

I want to experiment and create a small entity of a faerie. I will use it to recall and store information, I often forget what i was supposed to do next. So, it will kind of the Legend of Zelda video game faerie (Navi) that recall you each time what mission or work was still pending.It will store any data ,direction or homework I listen. I have never done this, so I might going to fancy.

But, if I can recall by myself .....no one will? I'm aware this things are helpers, no the solutions to all your problem. I will not depend on it, but its aid might come handy.

I plan to feed this thing with moonlight or sun rays. It sounds safe for me, it will eat like a plant from photosynthesis lol

I will call it Zayolin, fly (insect) in Nahuatl. That way i don't think I will summon it by accident.

[LordDagon]

When you create something, it is you who created it and thus follows your own reality-tunnel more or less so in this sense it's merely an extension of your own mind / consciousness and has traces of yourself. The key lies into creating harmonies inside oneself that can enforce the foundation of oneself.

But still it's nice to explore what one's own consciousness is able to create as it's quite a vast resource in itself, be it spirits, demons or gods or whatever divine.... Our own unconsciousness has a very large resource and most don't know how to use this potential to their own benefit.

If you want to ask some more detailed questions I can answer....

So what you are saying is you are not creating something that has power in itself after being created and can act on its own for your own benefit (like the authors of this book suggest) ?

[Amur]

So what you are saying is you are not creating something that has power in itself after being created and can act on its own for your own benefit (like the authors of this book suggest) ?

No I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that it's an extension of yourself. Of course you can give it power as you like and so forth. And energy tends to be intelligent in itself already so it gives pretty good basic equipment...

[Krafkar]

Interesting, I understood that because it is a extension of yourself. Is like seeing yourself in another form, I mean, the entity is your will power and subconscious expressed in the real world. So, if you don't act with ethics or you don't consider yourself trustworthy be sure the entity will act the same. That why I think our actions actions really affects our entities, i haven't done one yet so i don't know.

I think is safer to create and entity than call an existing one, i dont knwo really. If what i said got sense it might be true this statment.

[Amur]

Interesting, I understood that because it is a extension of yourself. Is like seeing yourself in another form, I mean, the entity is your will power and subconscious expressed in the real world. So, if you don't act with ethics or you don't consider yourself trustworthy be sure the entity will act the same. That why I think our actions actions really affects our entities, i haven't done one yet so i don't know.

I think is safer to create and entity than call an existing one, i dont knwo really. If what i said got sense it might be true this statment.

You can always create an entity that does the opposite of that for example, when you do it enough you can be called a schizophrenic :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

Talking about shamanic past, I that I'm interested in the Norse. A friend long time realized that the runes where used for holding entities too. The bind runes often have the shape of humanoids, or anthropomorphic figures.yes, and most divination systems work the same way (as well as organized language itself)...tarot for example...angelic magicks...godforms in general...even less obvious systems like geomantic systems still catalog *intelligences* or we would have a very difficult time connecting to them. technically, every act of will can be looked upon as the creation and implementation of a magickal *servitor* of some kind...

m1

[Krafkar]

Interesting, nice point m1thr0s


You can always create an entity that does the opposite of that for example, when you do it enough you can be called a schizophrenic :laugh:

Now that you mention this, do schizophrenic people might have the ability to create entities unconsciously?

It can be possible in some cases,but I don't doubt there are people that are seriously nuts.:laugh:

[m1thr0s]

Now that you mention this, do schizophrenic people might have the ability to create entities unconsciously?any vivid dreamers around here? don't you commonly experience *created* entities who would seem to have their own independent minds and hearts and wills? don't these characters sometimes fill entire worlds?

schizophrenics have a problem with barriers is all. Where most of us fold up our entities and let them go upon waking, schizophrenic's entities persist into their waking states and develop a lot of power and stability as a result of their surrounding environments.

m1

[Amur]

yes, and most divination systems work the same way (as well as organized language itself)...tarot for example...angelic magicks...godforms in general...even less obvious systems like geomantic systems still catalog *intelligences* or we would have a very difficult time connecting to them. technically, every act of will can be looked upon as the creation and implementation of a magickal *servitor* of some kind...

m1

I think the best system (for myself atleast) is to look nature as a metaphor for this. We have cells and organs inside our own body which certainly have a whole other type of consciousness than what we do, still they are part of us and we are part of them, harmonizing the whole system to itself and to the surroundings can be of great use, given that the right axioms are found....

[Amur]

any vivid dreamers around here? don't you commonly experience *created* entities who would seem to have their own independent minds and hearts and wills? don't these characters sometimes fill entire worlds?

schizophrenics have a problem with barriers is all. Where most of us fold up our entities and let them go upon waking, schizophrenic's entities persist into their waking states and develop a lot of power and stability as a result of their surrounding environments.

m1

Ahh so that's the problem I have, because I feel like there are no borders between me and my surrounding enviroments which is very disturbing and I get affected by alot of peoples energies. Of course I could destroy them all but I don't want to cause a fuss in another persons consciousness so I tend to just let them come and go as they please... Of course when the personal boundaries get stronger and more integrated the external enviroments power exchange changes substantially.... But even then I need to go with great care as I don't want to go spiralling into the wrong flow :laugh:

Btw, I don't live in the USA and I think that if I did, my death energy would be alot more scarier and devastating, I love this place and the people here, they are so intone with nature that it's only a pleasure to observe :)

[Krafkar]

Nice, i do feel the same as you Amur.

In my Heathenism, I follow the path of the Vanir. They are the natural and fertility Gods and Godesses, because of this my bond with nature is very strong. I wanted to call a helper from nature to communicate with it. I think is different to summon an existing entity on a tree or forest than creating your own.

Gaining a unconditional friendship is stronger than creating servant under your control.

I will make the little fairie to learn about magikal entities. On a future I plan to talk with the Imps and spirits from nature, it´s not bad idea to have a created magikal entity in case things doesnt go well so it can defend you. I will start with simple beings to complex ones as creating a natural entity with own mind by drawing energy from nature itself, it would be cool to have an "Ent" to aid me in my Vanir path.

Also, teach people a thing or two about ecology lolz.

I imagine my Ent friend kicking people out for polluting.

Note: Those interested in creepy and powerful creatures, check the Aztec, Mayan or Olemecan mythology. They are very powerful beings realated with death, birth and blood.

[Amur]

Nice, i do feel the same as you Amur.

In my Heathenism, I follow the path of the Vanir. They are the natural and fertility Gods and Godesses, because of this my bond with nature is very strong. I wanted to call a helper from nature to communicate with it. I think is different to summon an existing entity on a tree or forest than creating your own.

Gaining a unconditional friendship is stronger than creating servant under your control.

I will make the little fairie to learn about magikal entities. On a future I plan to talk with the Imps and spirits from nature, it´s not bad idea to have a created magikal entity in case things doesnt go well so it can defend you. I will start with simple beings to complex ones as creating a natural entity by drawing energy from nature itself, it would be cool to have an "Ent" to aid me in my Vanir path.

Also, teach people a thing or two about ecology lolz.

Good luck with that then, I'm also very much in tune with nature and love it more than anything.... Seen alot of pissed off natural entities because some idiot built a school on top of their home lol... Wouldn't be too pleased about it myself I must say...

There's alot of beautiful things on this planet that doesn't exist in cities, personally I think my true Friends are to be found there but doesn't mean cities can't be nice also....

Anyway you have my full heart, I love nature so much that I consider any nature lover a friend of mine :)

[Krafkar]

Indeed,

I once felt the presence of a Nahual, or Imp at a construction site. They where gazing at me from the bushes. I think a person is able to lead them a hand into teaching others a lesson, those creatures are very ethic. They don't do anything against people, they just leave sadly. But if one of use can help them manifest, they would be allowed to act through us.

I dont know if I explained myself.

They are powerful than most of the people, but they don't use this power on their own benefit.So, why not give them a reason and lend them a hand, heheheh

I do never feel alone since I was able to interact with nature, trees at my Collage have became one of my wiser and respectable friends. Is great to have someone to receive you whatever you go, to talk with land wight and feel what they think. I have cleaned several tree trunks of trees that asked for my help, you cant imagine the amount of trash i can find inside them. This really pisses me off.

[Amur]

Indeed,

I once felt the presence of a Nahual, or Imp at a construction site. They where gazing at me from the bushes. I think a person is able to lead them a hand into teaching others a lesson, those creatures are very ethic. They don't do anything against people, they just leave sadly. But if one of use can help them manifest, they would be allowed to act through us.

I dont know if I explained myself.

They are powerful than most of the people, but they don't use this power on their own benefit.So, why not give them a reason and lend them a hand, heheheh

I do never feel alone since I was able to interact with nature, trees at my Collage have became one of my wiser and respectable friends. Is great to have someone to receive you whatever you go, to talk with land wight and feel what they think. I have cleaned several tree trunks of trees that asked for my help, you cant imagine the amount of trash i can find inside them. This really pisses me off.

Yeah I know, noticed the same thing, although some of the natural people here in finland aren't as forgiving. They had infact cursed the whole place in their own manner and only demonic people worked there and children :laugh: I must say that I felt the same as them and was a bit pissed off at how they were dealt with and I must agree that the manner of their curse was very genius-like and well though, although I would've liked to make a few improvements to it personally :laugh:

Can't wait to play with those entities again, they are so much fun and have helped me keep alive in this world many many many and many times. Without them I would've killed myself already many times lol.... Now hoomans again.... Urgh, what to do with them :laugh:

[Carbon Class Six]

I think we should create a thread on the beauty of nature :D

You two are I think the only people I've ever met that feel like I do about nature. Trees are so amazing it just makes me want to cry seeing how people hack them up and push them into corners and whatnot. Of course variations of this occur in nature, but it seems to be more acceptable when it isn't out of ignorance.

The first time I made it to some serious mountains...my mind was blown...straight away. We drove from the airport an hour into the mountains and I was staring out the window in complete awe the whole time. The most incredible part was how mountains feel like grandparents or some wise build up of knowledge...they felt so alive and comfortable....it really amazed me to see people NOT amazed by them !

[Krafkar]

I'm a tree hugging Norse Lolz

I think the same, I will gladly participate on your proposal friend.

[Saxarba]

Saxarba believes in and utilizes the Principle of Inertia, and has therefore overcome the obstacle of deficient psychic boundaries which afflict the growing population of fledgling magickal human beings currently active in the morphogenetic harmonization of evolving planetary labyrinth-energy configuration and the rewriting of bioresonance computation of navigator programs within the conscious liminal-perception matrix between entities.

Saxarba thinks he should write science fiction.

Saxarba would also like to note that science fiction is science fact yet realized and projected into the past by the forever receding traceless directing force of all causality, the absolute omega eschaton.

[Octarine Prince]

When you get a chance to speak with Saxarba, make sure you relay all of that info to him/her.

[Saxarba]

This is how language of the future will function. You may not realize it but every term is very precise.

[Octarine Prince]

This is how language of the future will function. You may not realize it but every term is very precise.

I have three science/technology-related degrees/certifications. I realize the importance of precision. I also recognize the onset of weirdness.

[m1thr0s]

*Wyrdness* would probably be a more accurate term in this instance - from on occult science perspective at least...

Curious how sensitive people's emotional skins seem to be with respect to variations in language...

m1

[Krafkar]

Anyone here have created a magical entity? It will be great to hear about how it was created and hot things went with it

[Saxarba]

"ontological weirdness": that uncanny weirdness that precedes, follows, or co-arises with any truly new explorations and expansions of perception...particularly appropriate for describing the transitional phase from "fictional" imagination to "factual" science...

[KeeCoyote]

In the words of Dr.Cat creator of Furcadia "Those are eyes, not orbs, you do not have to use obscure multisylable words when one sylable will do"

[Saxarba]

you mean like mono-glucose-branched cyclodextrins with a high inclusion ability for doxorubicin and their efficient glycosylation using Mucor hiemalis?

[Krafkar]

Emm oks ?

[KeeCoyote]

You get the point :)
And remarkably it is not on top of your head :)j/k

[Kath]

there seems to be some confusion between 'constructs' and 'thoughtforms' here. granted I define these terms in a slightly arbitrary fashion.

You can build an 'energy structure' which is fully independent of yourself, and which will 'do it's thing' on it's own, completely outside of your consciousness and unconsciousness and energy body, etc. a fully autonomous energy construct. at its basic level, this will be an automaton, rather than a sentient being. But you could, with *substantially* more effort, make something which can 'think', and 'grow' on it's own. honestly though, that is trickier than it sounds. I prefer automatons. especially self-replicating ones that feed themselves on their own, that just makes for a good "force multiplier". For tasks where you want fully sentient beings which are fully autonomous of your own psyche, I'd recommend soliciting some bit of 'astral wildlife', some sovereign entity. they have much better minds than you can typically 'handbuild'.

And then there are thoughtforms, which are like partitioning off a little bit of your preconscious mind to play the role of this created being persona. Some who work with ritual magick regard all entities as being this sort. Frater U.D. would call that a 'psychological model' approach. I think it can be useful, but i disagree with those who adhere exclusively to that model.

I own that book by the way, not a bad read :)

[LordDagon]

I am planning to improve my dream work through the use of an entity to help me out, though I don't know yet if it is the correct route to take.

Basically, this entity will have the following tasks and attributes:
- during sleep, while dreaming, it will make its presence known either visually, audibly or by any other means, causing me to be aware that I am dreaming and to enter the lucid state.
- it will help make my dream surroundings more clear so that I can explore them with greater accuracy
- it will point out any images, scenes or dream happenings that are useful to my development (from all points of view)
- it will help me to better remember the night's dreams

Now, I do feel I need to elaborate it a bit before getting to work, and I have to say I don't really have everything sorted out in my head when it comes to creating and using entities.
Any advice from experienced people on how I can proceed will be more than welcome...

[KaosSwirl]

Anyone here have created a magical entity? It will be great to hear about how it was created and hot things went with it

everyone does this every single day, minute, hour, second. the majority of people are simply to stuck in their mental reality to see outside their thoughts into the world. lay down practice rhythmic breathing (pranayana) dont focus on anything in perticular but dont force your mind to go blank. simply let your mind go where it might and be a passive observer. throught this meditation practice you will eventually see how mental thought and emotion correlates to your emediate physical surroundings, however the emediate goal for you within the meditation is to see and experience how symbols/memory and emotion correlate to the mental reality.

once you start seeing a association between mental reality and emotions and symbolism you need to start observing this phenomenon within your everyday life and observe how your mental reality plays a part within your physical reality. when you can find the correlations between your mental plane and physical reality you will understand conjuring.

[Copuldaemon]

It sounds quite the novice ideal but I find by opinion that outside of the elating feelings of experimental euphoria, all of that is unnecessary. It depends on what you're trying to really do here, is it the destination or the journey that's important to you.
I feel that you don't want anything to do with entities during sleeping, that's your vault and not just anybody should go up in there regardless of origin. But, nothing breast feeds best than experience, so I wish you well with this.

[LordDagon]

@copul: in a way you are right. It is as much a question of experimentation as it is a question of practical use. The thing is I am looking for methods to quicken my progress of dream experience and lucid dreaming. I want to master LD as a way to better explore my psyche and also use it for initiating astral travel.
For many reasons the progress is going slow- sometimes a period of great success is followed by one of total ruin of all I had gained. Perhaps my sometimes irregular sleeping hours are to blame. The thing is I am looking for ways to quicken my advance and this struck me as a possible solution. It may or it may not be.

But yes, I also want to experiment a bit, which I don't see it as bad in itself...

[grauhund]

Interesting, nice point m1thr0s
Now that you mention this, do schizophrenic people might have the ability to create entities unconsciously?
It can be possible in some cases,but I don't doubt there are people that are seriously nuts.:laugh:

Ah- but the "magical entities" created by schizophrenic(also known as "imaginary friends") become obsessions and take over the mind of the schizophrenic-- as chaotes we (hopefully) always reserve the power to banish the entity. Very important distinction imho.

[m1thr0s]

Ah- but the "magical entities" created by schizophrenic(also known as "imaginary friends") become obsessions and take over the mind of the schizophrenic-- as chaotes we (hopefully) always reserve the power to banish the entity. Very important distinction imho.sure - no argument here. i feel like most of this is just a silly fetish but i also realize that such foolishness can ultimately lend itself to a higher purpose so i'm not on any sort of crusade against the practice. i don't have any use for it myself is all...it has never struck me as a particularly cost-effective way to proceed, if self-mastery is what we are ultimately after.

m1

[Callumagus]

I'm also a Nordic nature freak... I was led to the Left Hand Path by Druidism, I eventually departed because it's nature-centric view did not sit well with me, I eventually came to realise that everything has its natural energy, not just the force of nature. I love nature, used to get weird looks when i was younger because i'd walk around forests cleaning up the litter/rubbish etc : D

[grauhund]

I never read a book about it, but I've given it a lot of study.
I personally have seven servitors that I invoke/banish when needed. My personal servitors are as follows;

Armin - the child (wonder, fascination, curiosity)
Merchai - the warrior (defense, protection, combat)
Moiret - The scholar (wisdom, scholarly pursuits, logic)
Abelard - The explorer (courage, the unknown)
Mircea - The holy man (spirituality)
Martis - The laborer (work, fulfilment, accomplishment)
Miron - The jester (fun, playfulness, humor)

The basic idea being we can create tremendous personal power if we let one aspect of ourselves "take over" and let the rest of our mind (which for the task/magic necessary) just get the hell out of the way.

I have eight entities that I am always banishing when they possess me;

Pobrizo - Poverty
Dista - Loneliness
Umili - humiliation
Hinton - Untrustworthiness
Triflete - unworthiness
Colpo - Attack
Inconnu - The Unknown
Mismo - The lost self

...roughly Italian/lat names for the English equivalence.

I will evoke these entities against my enemies as the case may be.

Yes, m1 is right -- it can border on fetishism, but it also lets you get to know your inner self.... Essential to chaos magic.

I've had success with these -- I claim no other knowledge but that they have presence within me and I have had success in banishing or evoking/invoking them when necessary.