Does anyone know where to download these (Taoist) texts?

[Kuroyagi]

Does anyone know of links where translations of one or more of the following Chinese texts can be downloaded (any Western language is ok: but preferably: English, German, French; or Japanese), any format is ok. They are mostly of Taoist content…Would be most obliged.

Chunqiu (Spring and Autumn Annals)
Baopuzi (The Master who Embraces Simplicity by Ge Hong)
Daozang (The Taoist Kanon, j/k hehe- but still one can try…)
Guiguzi (Master of the Ghost Valley)
Heguanzi (Master with the Phesant Cap)
Huainanzi (my biggest hope, still I cant find it.)
Huangdi Neijing (The Medical Classic of the Yellow Emperor)
Liexianzhuan (by Liu Xiang; Biography of 70 Taoist Saints)
Lü Shi Chunqiu (Spring and Autumn of “Mr.” Lü)
Shanhaijing (The Classic of Mountains and Lakes)
Shenxianzhuan (Biographies of Saints)
Taipingjing (The Classic of the Great Peace)
Wenzi
Hanfeizi (fajia=legalism)

[m1thr0s]

other than scanning the web (which you have probably already done) I don't think I can help with this myself...

Have you tried library sources for this stuff? Most libraries now have online access etc...I would tend to think that this is mostly too specialized for the web, save in a few cases only perhaps...

Obviously you'll need a library with a good Asian department...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

Yes seems that I would need togoto the/an institute or order books...the reason for my asking was that I was actually surprised how much one can find on the net. Only yesterday I downloaded the Book of Odes (Shijing), the Book of Rites (Liji) and of Documents (Shujing) [here if interested (no worry: the translations are in English, scan the end of the short desriptions!) http://www.100jia.net/texte/: ...so I thought maybe someone has a link to those above too...

[Okazaki Castle]

You're welcome to visit me in Oxford and check out their excellent libraries here if you like. Can find most stuff in the Bodleian usually...

Don't know of any net resources on this one I'm afraid. The Net is still a ways behind on making a full and complete online library, accessible for free. Google is being rather strategic in that respect still I believe.... :confused: :rofl:

all the best,
Seb.

[Paulo]

Does anyone know of links where translations of one or more of the following Chinese texts can be downloaded (any Western language is ok: but preferably: English, German, French; or Japanese), any format is ok. They are mostly of Taoist content…Would be most obliged.

Chunqiu (Spring and Autumn Annals)
Baopuzi (The Master who Embraces Simplicity by Ge Hong)
Daozang (The Taoist Kanon, j/k hehe- but still one can try…)
Guiguzi (Master of the Ghost Valley)
Heguanzi (Master with the Phesant Cap)
Huainanzi (my biggest hope, still I cant find it.)
Huangdi Neijing (The Medical Classic of the Yellow Emperor)
Liexianzhuan (by Liu Xiang; Biography of 70 Taoist Saints)
Lü Shi Chunqiu (Spring and Autumn of “Mr.” Lü)
Shanhaijing (The Classic of Mountains and Lakes)
Shenxianzhuan (Biographies of Saints)
Taipingjing (The Classic of the Great Peace)
Wenzi
Hanfeizi (fajia=legalism)

Hey Kuroyagi,

I think you can download this info from Chinese site, like surfing to Taiwanese site.
Taiwan still uses classical Chinese characters, and most of the above Taoist classic's are written in thse form.

[Kuroyagi]

Hey Paulo, tronco, didnt see your reply...maybe you could look by next week and give me some links.xxx.Ox. I'll try to read them. I can read also the simplyfied mainland hanzi or the older taiwanese...thats not the prob- yet my basic Chinese is really bad (I could read it but only with a bottle of champagne, some valium and banging my head against the wall every 5 mins. ;))...no, the problem is that I dont know the classical written language. :confused:

[creekist]

Fool, the Huainanzi has never been fully translated. It took me 30 minutes to do one paragraph... I edited wikipedia and added at least all of the links to the chinese sources of the Huainanzi, you can check there.

[Kuroyagi]

Oh thanks, it says that a translation will be out in 2009, but also that parts of it have already been translated. Anyway, great that you translated one paragraph and added a couple of links to the wiki article, so its no wonder that you are so proud of yourself! :lol:

[Xirru-Eno]

I personally believe that all of the texts from Taoism should be earned and given on an exchange basis, even if it isn't necessarily money.

Some writings have powerful knowledge that could potentially harm those around you and make you spiritually weakened. It's like a potent potion, you have to take it in small doses and prove to yourself and the giver of this knowledge that you are ready for the next piece of information. Though saying that, I've seen people who havn't had to earn this knowledge just read it and be totally oblivious to the truth in it, almost like they simply can't see what it says.

You might think you can, but so do they. If you're ready for them they'll come to appear in your life without you having to try to make them. Have faith in your own life, and be as an unmoving body of water. Never search, searching is the technique of the blind and if you search you will only find what you are not ready to see.

Even people who disagree with this will one day agree. Which goes out to anyone who is sparked with the defiant flame, dieing to challenge me. I'll just fall back, and you'll win.

Wei Wu Wei

Xirru.

Try this.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/index.htm

[m1thr0s]

Never search, searching is the technique of the blind and if you search you will only find what you are not ready to see.I don't understand this whole rush to vilify struggle of any kind and I think it's a fool's errand with respect to human existence and being. Struggle is a natural part of life and it's not all bad just because it may be a little frenzied. I do understand the underscoring principle involved so I don't need any lectures on that score...I just don't think it is realistic and I also think it plays into this whole idea that action itself is intrinsically a bad thing somehow.

It's a question of goals really and whether to set any for yourself or not. Any time we set a goal for ourselves that is worth achieving, we will commit to a certain amount of struggle to achieve that goal. The payoff is mastery itself...so why condemn the struggle to get there if the goal itself is a worthwhile endeavor?

It all comes off like a lot of words that sound important but have very little real merit.

*edit: I realize you didn't invent these ideas yourself. I am addressing a doctrine I have seen circulating in many places that rarely gets challenged.

m1thr0s

[Xirru-Eno]

I only mean what I say there in effect with sacred knowledge. The Kuji In for instance, I have experienced seeing people who arnt' ready for that try to use it, and it does real damage and the only reason they got a hold of that information was because they got it from someone who was afraid to say the words "You arn't ready for it" because they believed they would come across as some cliche movie character who thinks they're superior.

It's the same with Liber Falxifer, you actually have to work for that book and I can assure you no one will find that published on the internet at all. Because some things in this world don't come for free, and the 'struggle' to find them isn't always a honorable fee. On this planet things are material, including the means of spiritual enlightenment. I believe in struggle, that's exactly why I said what I said. I know that sounds paradoxial, and it is but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

I think there is a great difference is searching and struggling, searching is like a man walking across a beach with a metal detector trying to find anything that beeps his metal detector of inner interest in whatever it is (lol). Someone who's struggling is someone who believes that through studying he knows where he can find it, this manifests itself into reality on the internet because if you know the right words through studying that should be searched even in a search engine you will probably find it very fast. But even then it wont be easy, so the struggler is paying for his reward through the struggle, while the searcher puts as little effort into getting it as possible, he simply takes the name he sees on wiki-pedia and sticks it in google, then doesn't get a result and sticks it in a forum.

If you have earnt what you look for through studying the steps aligning you with that reward, you'll know how to find it without searching in such a way and consider yourself as naturally stumbling across it. If you hear of a great golden step far up some massive stairway and try to find some way to just appear at that golden step, it wont be respected or understood as much as by the man who walked every step and took all the lessons before hand.

I guess that's really what I was trying to get across. So I enjoy the idea of struggling for knowledge, and what I originally was saying really should have been. "If you've done all the studying necessary to move on to the next parts of your studies, you'll know what part to move onto."

-Falls over and lets you win- XD

Xirru

[m1thr0s]

-Falls over and lets you win- XDnot at all Xirru...thanks for clarifying.

I understand this paradox. I am actually up against it all the time with respect to my own work in metaphysical realms and the question as to whether or not it is ill-advised to try to explain things to people they almost certainly will not really get.

It's not always an easy choice. In my case I make the attempt on behalf of those who may already recognize these things upon observance, but may not have considered them deeply enough. That's about the only fraction I can expect to have any particular impact upon.

I think this is especially true of theoretical or unpublished work of any kind...and I have no interest in presenting *new ideas* per se or I wouldn't even bother. But some things that may come to light in the private work of certain individuals may have failed to have become crystallized with others. Still...the extent to which these things are completely missed or misconstrued is often disturbing...

m1

[Darin Hamel]

More free Taoist texts-
http://hk.geocities.com/akrishi0/index.htm
and
http://taoistresource.home.comcast.net/~taoistresource/doe_idx.htm

[Kuroyagi]

Thanks I didnt know those links yet. (Funny sig btw.)

Sure, the motifs of a search are also important, not everyone aims for some "enlightenment". I am nothing but a writer of philosophical fantasy who is looking for new and interesting ideas that would inspire me, no need to mystify this for me. I know that those works already exist in Chinese so I was simply wondering about whether translations are available somewhere on the net or not...(I was also very poor and didnt want to buy books when writing that. ;))

[Kuroyagi]

Huainanzi (my biggest hope, still I cant find it.)Small update on this one. Here one can find part of it, it seems to have been newly added to that site since I hadn't found it there before. The Huainanzi seems to be very important as it is often quoted in other texts, too:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/ttx/ttx09.htm

In this context- this book may be of interest to some (Charles Le Blanc: Philosophical Synthesis in Early Han Thought):
http://books.google.at/books?id=Jy2nQg3Kya4C&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=huainan+The+Way+of+Heaven+is+round,+the+way+of+ Earth+is+square&source=bl&ots=DnPLSqknjH&sig=nvFnz0XMnjapD4AI3hL3_Sk8Fx0&hl=de&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPP1,M1

I will order it from amazon-and check back when having read it...does anyone know it/has read it, already?