Tobacco

[Amur]

As many of you might well be aware, the tobacco industrialment has played a very dirty game. They have manipulated the pure tobacco with alot of additives (EU has a directive law where up to 600 additives (http://www.ash.org.uk/html/regulation/html/additives.html) are allowed, whereas top-class chemists have made a blend which would make tobacco more addictive and certainly more harmful.

Tobacco again from a native perspective of a view is that it is a sacred substance which is used for smudging and for praying to the Creator. The Pipe is a sacred Altar which is used to deliver the prayers Directly to the Creator of this existence. Although I haven't yet digged into the native's sacred use of tobacco I can't really point out depths in it with this text.

Certainly a great deal of help would come if there was a law passed that only pure tobacco can be smoked. It would remove alot of intoxicants from people and generally help purify peoples minds and bodies.

I believe there are some blends that are pure like American Spirit and Manitou tobacco. If you smoke I do recommend that you search for pure tobacco without additives.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/background_briefings/smoking/281167.stm

[Anibis]

Yeah, and in Canada they have a brand called 'Native' they cost alot less because there are no taxes on them. Is it not Ironic that the sacred drug of the Western Christian Tradition reaks havoc on the Aborigonals, while their sacred drug devastates us... hmmm... Biological predisposition based on diet, climate, and discipline, maybe?
-Ibisis

[Amur]

Initiation of the freaks ehh...

I find the whole Christian tradition highly odd. If their Sacred Scripture say that it is a sin to kill and that their God is Love, how and why do they wreak so much havoc? Actually I think that Jesus changed the Jewian god to a god who was more in-tones with Love.

The same force it is that is still holding this world in it's grasp, as I see it. Perhaps that is why I don't like religious activities that much as they have atleast for me had those same tones in them, but I'm not sure as I'm not allowed to think like this as it is 'sin' in itself already. Gahh..

:cool: :laugh:

[Anibis]

Initiation of the freaks ehh...

Yes, I just saw Todd Browning's 'Freaks' for the first time, and got really into the baquet scene, so that's where that quote is from. As for the Christian tradition, like it or not, it has carved out a great deal of the infrastructure of consciousness, and not all of that is 'bad'. I look at Historical Christianity much the same way as I see 'America'. Where the practice and people themselves are mostly good, they have both been co-opted by their own antitheses...
-Ibisis-
By the way, congrats on the election results to all my friends in the States...

[Luciftias]

Yeah, and in Canada they have a brand called 'Native' they cost alot less because there are no taxes on them. Is it not Ironic that the sacred drug of the Western Christian Tradition reaks havoc on the Aborigonals, while their sacred drug devastates us... hmmm... Biological predisposition based on diet, climate, and discipline, maybe?
-Ibisis


Haha. I've often commented on that very same thing regarding the primary sacramental drug of the Europeans and that of the Native North Americans have become the primary vices of the other. I myself am quite the mutt. I'm about a third Native by blood (a chunk from each parent, making up about 31% of my ancestry) and I also have European (mainly Scottish) and a bit of Italian. I've rarely abused either alcohol or tobacco, holding a lot of respect for both substances. Both have actually played a more prominant role in my spiritual practices than they have in my recreational activities. My recreational substance of choice has always been the sacrament of the Rastifarians, and has had virutally no direct involvment in my spiritual activities. haha. I still fit the pattern of my vice coming from the abuse of the sacramental substance of a culture that isn't a part of my ancestry.

I wasn't aware that there was actually a brand of tobacco products called "Native" although I do know that there are several brands of tobacco/cigarettes that you can buy on Native reservations that are all tax exempt. I actually gave a carton of them to a smoker friend (minus a pack for my own uses) yesterday that I bought at my reservation last time I was there (I don't live on the rez, but every government registered Canadian aboriginal is associated with a reservation.) Tobacco is a greatly honored herb in every Native American tradition that I'm aware of as well as in the Afro-Caribbean\American diaspora religions such as Voodoo, Santeria, Lakumi, etc... which got much of their herb lore from the Native Americans. Organicly grown and non-chemically polluted tobacco is generally preferred, and pipe tobacco is considered decent. If these things aren't available, it's considered ok to just open up a brand name cigarette and use that tobacco. If less "clean" tobacco is being used, I was taught that it should be smudged with [passed through the smoke of] sage first, if circumstances allow.

Luciftias

[Anibis]

I think 'Native' cigarettes are clean tabacco.
-Ibisis
(Not a smoker...)

[Okazaki Castle]

I think tobacco should be cut with marijuana and used to subvert the masses into a mind-controlled drug-addled stupor.

Then we can take adavantage of them and pass lots of weird laws. Tobacco can be used as a hallucinogenic, incidentally. In its pure form it is a lot more fun and stronger than the harsh, dry smoke version of packaged mass market western cigarettes.

Okazaki.

[Lucian]

I think tobacco should be cut with marijuana and used to subvert the masses into a mind-controlled drug-addled stupor.

Then we can take adavantage of them and pass lots of weird laws. Tobacco can be used as a hallucinogenic, incidentally. In its pure form it is a lot more fun and stronger than the harsh, dry smoke version of packaged mass market western cigarettes.

Okazaki.

Uh, well, I think most governments beat us to it then. I mean, the population is already in some sort of stupor and they're already passing some pretty f'ed up laws as it is. Maybe with the population dosed with marijuana people might actually start making better political decisions. Ya never know.

I would be all over natural cigarettes. I smoke and I like smoking (especially now that by doing so I'm defying the anti-smoking zealots who won't mind their own damn business), but I smoke infrequently because I just hate the thought of the various chemicals and embalming fluids...:eek:

[Okazaki Castle]

Maybe with the population dosed with marijuana people might actually start making better political decisions. Ya never know.


Yeah, marijuana, as is well documented in lots of scientific research, changes your nervous system, epsecially brain activity. Gets rid of fear for a start, cuz it fries those circuits. This is a useful and fast way to discipline physicla form and not give it any choice in the changes you subject it to. As my main objection to the sheep is that they are timid cowards, this 'Hashishin' approach to personal reformation has distinct potential I feel. Plus, smoking ganga is fun and encourages social activity, and sexual openness. That's why they used to use it in the Temples of Venus in days of yore. Amongst other reasons...


I would be all over natural cigarettes. I smoke and I like smoking (especially now that by doing so I'm defying the anti-smoking zealots who won't mind their own damn business), but I smoke infrequently because I just hate the thought of the various chemicals and embalming fluids...:eek:

You do?! I didn't know that about you, and I like it. Just tobacco or da holy herb as well? Smoking is good for you. It also looks sexy and cool and is a pleasure in itself. More people should smoke, but don't because they are cowards, afraid of death and believe what their corrupt medical system tells them. This is of course distinct from a concern with natural purity...;) :laugh: :cool:

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

I smoke and I like smoking (especially now that by doing so I'm defying the anti-smoking zealots who won't mind their own damn business)

Well. The Master of Masters in ninjitsu, as he is currently reffered to in Japan, is called Toshitsugu Takamatsu. He is strongly revered for being the first person ever to master all the overt branches of the ninpo art. And I found him already having demonstrated and recorded what to do in such a situatrion when people are harrassing you for smoking:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/83/takamatsusmokingeq5.jpg

Perform shiho-nage on them!! A wonderful technique, it can be used to break someone's arm in 17 places, and also further shatter their spine and one of their legs if you ground the force used in it most violently / properly.

Alternatively, one could be compassionate as Takamatsu seems to be recommending there, and simply lock them painfully, whilst smoking in thier face... being sure to exhale onto them too of course... Hold them in that lock as you wander around smoking and telling jokes. If anybody else complains, or is cheeky, apply the Ippon! (Finish him!!) to your patsie/victim, then select another one at random from the crowd. Pain and death works wonders in terms of group motivational psychology I find...

Oazaki, being a bit darkly humourous...

[Anibis]

Pain and death works wonders in terms of group motivational psychology I find...
How many people have you actually killed OC? How many with your mind, and how many physically? In general have you killed more people directly, or indirectly?
-Ibisis-

[Okazaki Castle]

How many people have you actually killed OC? How many with your mind, and how many physically? In general have you killed more people directly, or indirectly?
-Ibisis-

I remain entirely blameless in every death caused thru my work. In fact, I contend that everybody present here on Earth does due to the symbolical cross-referencing of thier states of being and desire kill large numbers of entities in the course of their average lifetime, including other humans and also off-planaters. It's just that I am more aware of the effects of my motion and state of being, and target these. That is one of the benefits of consciousness I contend...

How many have died thru my work I would count the casualties / deaths of the 2004 tsunami as a large group, estimated usually at around 260 000, and necessary to the opening of the Earth's heart chakra (and the resolution of the Armageddon scenario), located near the Bali impact site. Directly individually the total runs to 5 which are publicly known, more maybe who are not publicly known and I keep more secret.

Directly 'hands on' physically I have probably not caused any deaths this lifetime round, yet. It was always more important to maintain my cover, and hence the ambiguity, whilst in what I consider 'deep enemy territory'. In practice, whenever I've been put in a life or death situation the other parties have always backed off.

My main target now in terms of beings I seek to kill/anihilate are the Sirians. I aim to destory their star system, and all life upon it, thereby enabling me to take control of the Earth's precessional cycle before the current age ends (where Sirius is located at the pole). I more properly view myself as Spirit, or an immortal being beytond incarnation. As such, I have been responsible for and authored more death and destruction than any other, and that is why I retain a taste for it even in this system... and also why I am fairly to very relaxed on others personal morality, though still demanding ethics and chacracter from them, if that doesn't sound too paradoxical.

To counter that all, I've allowed myself to be killed many times over, usually in situations which would prove strategically useful to me in various system decomissions, eg shot thru the head by an Israeli in the 6 day war, gassed in WW2. I take a different perspective on death than most, I guess...

all the best,
Okazaki Castle.

[Lucian]

You do?! I didn't know that about you, and I like it. Just tobacco or da holy herb as well? Smoking is good for you. It also looks sexy and cool and is a pleasure in itself. More people should smoke, but don't because they are cowards, afraid of death and believe what their corrupt medical system tells them. This is of course distinct from a concern with natural purity...;) :laugh: :cool:

all the best,
Oazaki.

I do smoke, but mostly on special occasions. I had a boyfriend with a smoking fetish. I loved everything about it. Mmmm... Yes. A good time was had by all. Now when I smoke I always think of us. I guess it's my fetish now.

Smoking pot seems wasted on me, but ingesting it sends me spiralling into a severely creepy world of vivid hallucinations and paranoia. Not the best time I've ever had. I try to stay away from it.

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, so before I return backwards to consider Lucian's rather interesting reply on this thread (considering your dreams and stuff, like who you are... ;) ) let us first consider how smoking is actually good for you!

Smoking is good for you!

10-28-94
Q: (L) Is smoking detrimental to any of our bodies?
A: Not if mild. Not if mind is in right mode.
Q: (L) Does smoking enhance psychic abilities?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it true that the government program to stamp out smoking is inspired by the Lizzies?
A: Yes because they know it may heighten psychic abilities.
Q: (L) What is causing the lung cancer they are attributing to smoking?
A: Mental conditioning and subliminal programming to expect it.
Q: (L) So, it only happens if you are convinced that it can and must happen?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Is there any particular brand of cigarettes to smoke?
A: No.

This ties in with: Stopping Smoking Makes (some of) You Fat!!

06-27-98
Q: Now, I have such a screwy metabolism; I know that you once told me that my thyroid had been tampered with from other densities in an effort to dissuade me or prevent me from doing my work. The result of this is that I can go for days and eat almost nothing, and still gain weight! Why?
A: Because you have changed your third density frequency.
Q: What am I supposed to do now? Just stop eating altogether?
A: You lost, altered your chosen balancing mechanism.
Q: What altered my chosen balancing mechanism?
A: First: what is your chosen balancing mechanism?
Q: Do you mean something physical in my body?
A: Close.
Q: I don't know. Going to the gym? I haven't been going to the gym lately...
A: No.
Q: Something about the way I work or function?
A: No. Something you, or one, takes into the body.
Q: Thyroid pills? Do I need to increase the dosage?
A: This substance raises hemoglobin levels.
Q: What?! I quit smoking?!
A: Yes.
Q: How can smoking be a balancing mechanism?
A: Speeds up metabolism, thus allowing greater food intake.
Q: Well, all it did for me was allow me to eat at all! I guess that now I will have to quit eating completely forever!
A: Or bring nicotine back.
Q: Well, that's not gonna happen! Ark doesn't like it at all! Isn't there something else that would work?
A: No.
Q: So, you are saying that nicotine is actually good for me?
A: Yes. Without it, you will remain with weight problems, because you will not be able to lower food intake enough to compensate. Why do you think you had the inkling to start smoking in the first place?
Q: Well, I just was going along with my friends, I thought. [I had started smoking when I was 16, though I had experimented with it when I was 15.]
A: No.
Q: What other things does nicotine do?
A: Raises immunological defences.
Q: Anything else?
A: Excites neurotransmitters. You require less sleep.
Q: Is this true for everyone?
A: No.
Q: (A) How much nicotine is necessary?
A: 100 mg per day.
Q: (A) Can it be in pill form? [Ark is CLEARLY unhappy with the idea of me smoking!]
A: Cigarettes infuse it to brain tissues most effectively.
Q: Well, I am certainly relieved! Now I know that I do not have a 'smoking demon' possessing me! I was really getting worried! [While I had quit, I was constantly and incessantly plagued with the urge to smoke. I had become convinced that it was a spirit attachment or some sort of "control mechanism" that would not let me go!]
A: Those who fit this profile find it nearly impossible to "quit" completely.
Q: So, there are people who are actually benefitted by smoking?
A: Genetics will offer proof of this.
Q: You mean that one can see changes in DNA before and after smoking?
A: Close
Q: Is this also true for Frank?
A: Yes.
Q: Why us?
A: It is simply part of your "profiles."
Q: Is that also why I have been having more stomach problems than usual? [I could barely eat anything without having an upset stomach.]
A: Yes.
Q: Well, I always noticed that smoking could settle my stomach. It also stimulated my digestive tract... (F) Yes.
A: (A) What is serious here is the number. How many milligrams... (L) How many cigarettes does this number of 100 milligrams translate into?
A: 20.
Q: Well, I never smoked that much! Only about 15...
A: No.
Q: Well, I told myself 15!
A: It was not. [They were right.]
Q: Ark doesn't need to smoke, does he?
A: No. He does not fit the profile. He actually had to "work" to start smoking.
Q: (L) Did you? (A) Yeah, probably. (L) Well, then why did you? (A) Well, it was somewhat self-annihilating. (L) Ark is NOT happy with this explanation you guys have given. [And he STILL isn't, though he tolerates my smoking, and I DO feel enormously better having resumed without carrying all the guilt that our society is attempting to impose on cigarette smoking.]
A: Life contains unhappy explanations at 3rd density, sometimes.
Q: Well, I was really beginning to think I was possessed...
A: No.

Source (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/diet.htm)

Regards all,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

Well I don't smoke daddy-o and you know I'm not afraid of death.

I get anything from a mild headache to a migraine when I breathe any kind of smoke.

It's easy to say physically I'm sensitive to smoke, but I also have sun, moon, mercury, venus and some other planet in Gemini. You'd expect me to smoke because my rising sign is Scorpio, but I don't.

Gemini is notorious for having sensitive lungs, arms and hands.

Consequently, this is also why we disagree on the matter of firearms....

Generally speaking, most native americans smoke, and believe smoking is good for you. They have a whole religion based around smoking, which I partake in from time to time. They don't smoke tobacco or marijuana...or peyote. It's a recipe that can't be bought and is orally transmitted knowledge.

[Naomi]

What I meant was, any kind of indirect smoke for longer than an hour or two...

Did you sons of bitches take away my edit feature?

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, if physical form is the problem, let's mutate you!!! :D :D :D

'Course, if you don't want to smoke, that's another thing altogether. And entirely different from not being able to / not being allowed to. Which you hate, when you're told you can't do something, right? Makes you wanna do it an' all...

Oh and on the firearms, if you want them, fine, for you and yours. You can also share that exception with Brad Pitt and Angelina. Nobody else though. Fair 'nuff? (oh but no shooting in my presence, it's noisy and disruptive of the wa of a space, plus a barbarian habit lacking the elegance and beauty of swords).

heh, all da best,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

No I've decided all swords will be replaced with rocks, because they're natural and not manmade...you know?

If you want a sword you'll just have to...you know, make a volcano spew it out or something....

:msmile:

Trust me on this one.

It's where all of the really good ancient swords came from, anyways, but it requires that most of your opponents use rocks.

Oh GOD...I had a dream I was smoking a cigarette last night. I must want it! So yeah, sure...

[Okazaki Castle]

Trust me on this one.


I'll trust you if you trust me... Not saying as regards what I'm going to get you to trust me though, not yet... :yinyang:


Oh GOD...I had a dream I was smoking a cigarette last night. I must want it! So yeah, sure...

Do tell me more about that dream... Details are hot!

all da best,
Seb.

[Naomi]

Well I was holding a cigarette in my mouth for some reason, in a parking lot....parking lots hold some sort of meaning for me in dreams, I don't know what it is at the moment...

So some guy is looking at me and I'm like..."Crap I don't want to be a poser." So I light it up and smoke it. Then I walk over to this bar that the parking lot belongs to.

Don't remember what exactly happened but I set the building on fire and shot a few people.

All while smoking an effin cigarette.

[silentjohn]

No I've decided all swords will be replaced with rocks, because they're natural and not manmade...you know?

If you want a sword you'll just have to...you know, make a volcano spew it out or something....




wow http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/basic_sets/misc/devil/shocked.gif

[Okazaki Castle]

Well I was holding a cigarette in my mouth for some reason, in a parking lot....parking lots hold some sort of meaning for me in dreams, I don't know what it is at the moment...

So some guy is looking at me and I'm like..."Crap I don't want to be a poser." So I light it up and smoke it. Then I walk over to this bar that the parking lot belongs to.

Don't remember what exactly happened but I set the building on fire and shot a few people.

All while smoking an effin cigarette.

Well, you know what they say about ninjas' Modus Operandi: a lot of it is just smoke and mirrors. Ganga smoke is unequivocably the best for this, woodsmoke is very good too, but a cigarette works well also, and has the advantage of being easily portable. Of course, smoke combined with mirrors is especially useful/effective. Barriers between the worlds sort of thing...

Funnily enough, Vampyres also have a big thing with mirrors, and smoke too in fact, now that they're getting into it...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[hitman777]

HEY! There's nothing wrong with firearms. I think that everyone should have guns. I think that when you turn 13 it should be mandatory for you to learn to use a gun, possibly at school (not school shootings, I mean a class where they take you to the range, give you tests on your knowledge of gun handling, etc.)

As for smoking, I smoke. And I love smoking. And I'm in good health. I hate how all over the place it seems there is more and more pushing towards a smoking ban. Don't these assholes remember Prohibition? If they want to create a crime wave, sure, banning smoking would do the trick.

Arrrgh! I need a cigarette!

hitman:mad:

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, The reason I don't like guns is because the weak and cowards can learn to use them quickly and easily. And so appear strong to themselves. Also it takes the art and beauty out of death-dealing. And they're noisy, and inelegant. Plus, they are actually a slow and ineffective way to kill. For example, at close quarters a sword is in fact far faster in the hands of one who knows how to use it, as also even a knife. From further away, why use a gun when arrows are cooler? But generally, mainly I just want to get rid of guns because they make death-dealing easy and allow the peasants access to something which they are beneath of. I am an elitist in that way...

As for smoking, yes I agree entirely, banning smoking is about the stupidest thintg anybody can do. For banning ganga the penalties are going to be so hard, harsh and long-lasting the stupid, peasant government oiks will rue the day they were born. For banning tobacco, as they plan to do, and the thought alone is a punishable crime worthy of extreme penalities in my book, well, perhaps you would like to come up with suitable :vengeance: there hitman?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[hitman777]

lol, I'm sure I could think of a few things.

[Naomi]

Are we going to ban hammers? Because no one says no to a hammer in the skull. It's not hard to learn hammer-fu.

[Okazaki Castle]

Why don't we ban metal? After all, if I can't have my swords to play with and distribute as free gifts, why should people get hammers, or forks even? "Let them eat (with) chopsticks" I say!!

However, I propose we make an exception to the metal ban for cigarrette lighters. But mainly even they should be made of plastic. That allows me to shamelessly promote my favourite cigarrette/spliff lighter:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/sjdiscounttools_1925_47817273

The PB-207 Blazer Pocket Torch. Made in Japan. Especially for the year 2007... when you take away one of their voids, or null points... Note the connection to the 72 Arts of Shaolin, and the 72 meridians, and so on...

Also, it burns with a blue flame at 1300 degrees celsius. I can personally vouch for the fact that that ain't that hot, as I deliberately burnt myself with it a bit, on an Olympic Airways flight, to get round their no smoking ban, and do smoke and mirrors in the air on board a commercial jet liner ... just like you could back in the 1970's... and will soon be able to do again, when/if you're flying on planes, this I personally guarantee! :)

all the best all,
Okazaki Castle.

[Naomi]

I responded in my gallery since I went way off topic. Just so you know.

I think you're funny.

Here's a problem that really needs to be solved:

Cigarette breath.

:P

[Okazaki Castle]

Here's a problem that really needs to be solved:

Cigarette breath.



Solution:

Mix your tobacco with:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3839/m673561qt8.jpg

Because some things in life taste goooddd.... :laugh:

bacci,
Oz.

[Naomi]

http://www.sandiegoserenade.com/images/the-chronic.gif

[silentjohn]

http://www.cls.yale.edu/lexis2/PD/content/cigarette.jpg

[oak]

http://www.tuubi.net/oakie/pics/laser_traps.jpg