Abductions

[Okazaki Castle]

Anybody here ever been abducted? Details would be cool.

Me I was abducted three times. The funniest was when a group I refer to as the Shi'Ar (borrowing the name from X-Men, cuz they look the same) abducted me from my bedroom in Cyprus when I was alseep one night back in May 2005. They density phase-lock you out of your reality and then return you to the original point of entry. The basic contract seems to be that they can't leave any actual evidence that they have so abducted you. Thing is, that time the retards underestimated what I'd been waiting for, having observed my fairly passive behaviour in the last two abduction scenarios by other species and thinking I was, therefore, a fairly 'safe' target. You see, the big danger to them is that when they abduct they take you to their density level, and so you are then existing at that level, and can live at that level, where mind is more creative of physical reality directly, except most abductees either don't know that or have a weak mind relative to their abductors.

So anyways, they abduct me, then I do my usual subtle 'check out where I am and who's playing about' that I do in these scenarios, and when I find out that I've finally been abducted by a species with wormhole craft, I stop the playing possum routinie and run the full Pa Kua art, which at that density you do rotating around in a sphere basically. Then I wander round thier ship sabotaging it basically and locking its control systems. Then pretend to fall to their stun guns (like, c'mon, seriously?!), knowing that I've already got what I want in place there and needing to get back. SO they think it's all safe again, and that they can put me back np... and then I flip to life during the process once more, sabotaging it in mid-stream (when they couldn't stop it for various reasons), which results in my waking up in my bed in my room with two very small, fine puncture holes, one in the arm by the elbow and one on the other arm at the juncture of thumb and forefinger... and sheets covered in around a good 3/4 pint of blood, which is quite a lot. So, basically, they violate their own terms and tenets and give me a massive great big blood seal on virginty terms. Leastways is how I viewed it.

So that's how I got a whole load of wormholes from beforehand...

Anybody else with cool stories on this one?

all the best,
Okazaki.

[silentjohn]

Not abducted, though "alien entities" have always been intereted in me since I started to vibrate at this consensus density. They've fought over me, held my mom down in her chair while they visited me in my crib, and really started to bug me around puberty.. but.. have since left me "alone."

http://silentjohn.doitbig.org/incog.jpg

Stealth indeed.

[Okazaki Castle]

but.. have since left me "alone."



Yeah, they behave nicely now don't they, for all you often still feel 'em buzzing about...

Don't supose you've got any interestng stories to tell about why exactly they became especially interested in you around puberty? I always wanted to get abducted by a ship full of alien nymphoniac babes... but always ended up getting the boring, scientific clinical types (Except for the Shi'ar that one time, they were quite interesting and also did have a female warrior on board...)

all da best,
Oazaki.

[silentjohn]

Yeah, they behave nicely now don't they, for all you often still feel 'em buzzing about...

Don't supose you've got any interestng stories to tell about why exactly they became especially interested in you around puberty? I always wanted to get abducted by a ship full of alien nymphoniac babes... but always ended up getting the boring, scientific clinical types (Except for the Shi'ar that one time, they were quite interesting and also did have a female warrior on board...)

all da best,
Oazaki.


it was right before puberty really

Around puberty i just kind of started focusing on other things .. (heh)

It may have just been subconcious leaks, this density has taken a lot of getting used to but yadda yadda right

[m1thr0s]

that's a great image silentjohn...really nice work...

m1thr0s

[silentjohn]

right brained

[Kain]

I agree, that's a truly great image silentjohn!

Kain

[silentjohn]

its called "Incognito"

I once drew an image on the back of one of my school notebooks (as I often do) .. and it was a family dressed as hu.mans yet with alien heads.. itwas very sloppy and I wrote an sloppier "incognito" underneath it..

Then this image came about when I was messing with 3d software and rendered soem abstact shape, put it in photoshop, and let the fun begin.

It too is entitled "Incognito"

[Kazahel]

I met my true father through an abduction style dream. He lives in the silence on a space lab which orbits Earth outside of time. He is in charge of DNA'n everyone or something.. I dont really want to type out the dream but I understand that line now about my father who art in heaven.. DNA being His art.

[vulnera]

once succesfully (that i can be sure of) and once unsuccesfully due to the intervention of another person who noticed something very wrong in the middle of the night. this was about 15 years ago...

transportation was accomplished by a paralyzing and agonizing blue sound.

[Aodh]

I had experiences similar to abduction early in my childhood by an entity who claimed to be my father, taught me some basic energy manipulation and some not-so-basic-stuff, etc. which eventually ended up going into daytime "telepathic communications" and nighttime dream visitations as opposed to teh full-on intense experiences which were more abduction-like.

Personally, I don't quite believe in abduction but *shrugs*.

[m1thr0s]

What of your real father Aodh? Dead or just not there or something?

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

i've experienced lucid states that invovled not the greys, but more along the lines of the banshee experience. I'm not implying that all abductions are the result of lucid states, but the similarities are there.

[Aodh]

What of your real father Aodh? Dead or just not there or something?

m1thr0s
This is actually when we started to live full-tiime with my father that it really kicked in. I've often wondered though just how much him not being around but once a week or every few weeks early in my life (ages 1-7) has affected me. Either way, my relationship with my father has never been good and I'm conciously more or less fine with that.

Although, this being was noticed years later (when I was about 13) by someone who had not been informed of him and who had a conversation with him that clarified details I'd been given. So I don't really know what to think about him.

[m1thr0s]

In the early days of Astral Projection literature they used to speak of "bi-location". I don't know if that term is used anymore but it was an interesting term...anyway...the idea was that bilocation doesn't come easy and a certain amount of delerium consciousness can creep into the whole experience as the mind tries to make some sense of the physical experience itself. Some, though perhaps not all, abduction experiences may be the mind's own interpretation of this kind of physical "tearing" action. The whole idea was that once you know what is really going on and have learned to navigate it correctly, the whole nitemare quality of the experience disappears...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

Well my dad has been around all my life and is just like any other dad I guess. Which maybe I should add. It's just I consider my other Father as that because he told me I was going to have a son which I did. He also told me that everyone else in my family would have girls, and so far there are 8 girls to 1 boy. My brother had another girl about a month ago.. lol which makes 4 for him! Anyway so yeah... thats why I call him Father.. because I remember him showing me a test tube when he told me I was going to have a son. And that was the main thing He wanted me to do for Him.. so he is like the Father.

So I give you... teh Father.

[fr.novumorganum]

Kaz;

So are you identifying this father fighure with Lam? Or is Lam another operation?

[fr.novumorganum]

In the early days of Astral Projection literature they used to speak of "bi-location". I don't know if that term is used anymore but it was an interesting term...anyway...the idea was that bilocation doesn't come easy and a certain amount of delerium consciousness can creep into the whole experience as the mind tries to make some sense of the physical experience itself. Some, though perhaps not all, abduction experiences may be the mind's own interpretation of this kind of physical "tearing" action. The whole idea was that once you know what is really going on and have learned to navigate it correctly, the whole nitemare quality of the experience disappears...

m1thr0s

huh, that's an interesting concept. I used to have these lucid dreams with great frequency; at first, they were the most terrifying experiences of my life (actually no magickal nastie has evven come close yet) filled with 'bad ghosts': banshees, haunts, wights. Near the end of the cycle, however, the experiences changed, and the 'lucid' figures changed into 'nice' ghosts, mostly shades of passed historical figures (william carlos williams, ben franklin, my father--note the trend in this thread) that came to give me some usually solid advice or guidance.

I wonder if the change occured b/c I became more familiar with the state/experience? I have not had one in a long time; I believe their dissapearance coincides with my beginning to experiment with magick and lsd.

[Naomi]

I was abducted, implanted and tracked during my childhood. My mother had numerous phantom pregnancies with the fetus staging a dissapearing act. This goes back through my family line, of course. They are attracted to strange/new DNA combinations.

Those ones don't come near me anymore because they know what's up.

There are many people on the indian reservations here especially in New Mexico and Arizona who know of UFO's and Aliens and some even worship them (in a way) I've seen them myself. You can even sometimes find artifacts from them way out in the desert.

I had a visit from a different more low key sort (not grey/sekhurra) a few months ago that was interesting and pleasant.

That lam guy would be dead if he stepped anywhere near me. I prefer the Glenn Morris approach. Don't get mad. I'm only being real. We halfbreeds tend to gravitate towards each other, and I've met some people who have had such horrible experiences they will hardly talk about them. People who had to dig out the implants from their body to get rid of them or remove teeth. They treat humans like a big science project/sadistic playground and havn't a clue...they just don't know anything. Blind fuckers...

My mom is like "Those damned aliens stole my babies." and I'm like. "Yeah." She's much more forgiving though...she even has dinner plates with the grey robot cartoon version on them and is usually pretty relaxed/curious when she sees the spaceships hovering out in the desert or some weird crap is going down that can't be explained.

Anyways I have lots of stories about that and I'm sure Sebastian could share a few good ones...or Geno if he has a care...

It's a tough call to turn on your own blood...

[Zifiriskenoxa]

How does one know they've been abducted? (other than remembering you've been molested by them ^_^) do they erase your memories, or work on them, change them? how do they abduct without other people noticing? I take it most people are talking of actual physical abductions. So I'm just curious.

[vulnera]

for me anyways, the two specific occasions i mentioned took place about 15 years ago, when i was 16 or so, so its not like i can just chalk this up to being magick-seeing little child at the time.
they were not able to abduct me the second time (that i know of) when a "sensitive" was present nearby, they were alerted by an uneasy feeling that jolted them from sleep... its really hard for me to say whether they merely bilocated me or whether the beamed me up kit and kaboodle... maybe if i could interview the person who stopped the second time what exactly they saw i might be able to clarify further, but that person was 12 at the time, so that memory may be a bit less reliable. once the blue beam of sound comes in (thru open window, and not tru a wall) and hits, its insta-paralysis of the body, without any sort of painkiller.... the sound, which was also a light, was of an horribly excruciating tone and volume. it seems to pick you out from your surroundings and goes through and into you and vibrates every cell in your body while you are unable to move at all... surrounded the whole time with a blue glow.

return, the first time was accompanied by pain (as they did not use any sort of anesthetic in th transport thing, and that sh*t was excruciating and loud) as far as the 'spearmints go, they want things with people, they are messing with space and time in order to avert the coming disaster in the current universe, and use human (related to them) skills and dna to try and accomplish this first.

[Kazahel]

Kaz;

So are you identifying this father fighure with Lam? Or is Lam another operation? He is The Father, so imo He is more than just Crowley's Lam. I consider Lam to be similar to Wallungunder/ The Wandjina's, and I believe Lam has many more names than just LAM and is alot more than what people think. I use the Lam pic because its a dead ringer for the guy in my dream except I had to add the blue crystal. Which is like a well of souls over His bosom... so I almost call Him now.. 'Abralam' because of that.

That lam guy would be dead if he stepped anywhere near me....
They treat humans like a big science project/sadistic playground and havn't a clue...they just don't know anything. Blind fuckers... It's almost the other way around hehe. Anyway I dont believe in this... Like Lam only came to me to help me... he gave me warnings and told me what to wait for etc, so I dont consider him hostile like that. So no offence but maybe they arnt the one's who are blind.. like if you cant see or understand what they are doing its not because they are blind.

[m1thr0s]

The word LAM is an extremely important word in Ayurvedic Philosophy where it corresponds to the First, or Mooladhara Chakra.
This sort of adds a new dimension to the whole "anal probe" hysteria if you think about it...
The root Mantras for all 6 Chakras below the Crown Chakra (which has no word) follow:

6) Ajna Chakra, located at the pineal gland behind the eyebrow centre, is associated with wisdom, intuition and discrimination – all the mental abilities.
§ Bija = AUM

5) Vishuddhi Chakra, located at the base of the neck, is associated with the various levels of communication with people, and with self-will, flowing with life.
§ Bija = HAM

4) Anahata Chakra, located in the spine behind the heart, is connected to the emotions of love, compassion and forgiveness (as well as their counterparts, hate and revenge).
§ Bija = YAM

3) Manipura Chakra, located in the spine behind the navel, is associated with personal power, dynamism and self-esteem.
§ Bija = RAM

2) Swadhisthana Chakra, located near the sacrum at the bottom of the spine, is associated with the unconscious, sexuality, joy and trust.
§ Bija = VAM

1) Mooladhara Chakra, the lowest chakra, located at the perineum in men, and the cervix in women, is associated with self-identity and security, possessions, fears and inhibitions.
§ Bija = LAM

Perhaps your "father" is an Adeptus Major of one kind or another...from another world, from another time...who knows...
The simplest way to perform the Bijas is just to chant them in their proper chronological order from 1-6, then back down again from 6-1:
You might want to give this a shot to see what reaction (if any) it elicits...

lam, vam, ram, yam, ham, aum | aum, ham, yam, ram, vam, lam...

:abduction:

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

The simplest way to perform the Bijas is just to chant them in their proper chronological order from 1-6, then back down again from 6-1:
You might want to give this a shot to see what reaction (if any) it elicits...

Thanks for that.. I remember reading something about this awhile back but I dont really know that side of it.. I'm just going from a really vivid dream which all seems to match in with what little I have read on Lam. Like for instance that Lam has something to do with 'silence', and the guy in my dreams main rule was to not break the silence with voice. And he was most serious about it too... and I hadnt read anything on Lam or Crowley at all at that stage.. it wasnt till 10 years later when I went to OF that I found out about 'LAM'.

"Perhaps your "father" is an Adeptus Major of one kind or another...from another world, from another time...who knows..."

Who knows.. but something is up with the water triangle. It was most important and was like his favorite thing. He asked me if I wanted anything in return and I said I'd like the triangle because it was very mesmerizing. I knew it was very rare and a one of a kind thing and I even thought about stealing it for a moment. Which we laughed over because I knew he was reading my mind. I even went to catch it at one stage because I thought it was going to fall and break because of how its worn. So it was the main thing of value in someways.. it's priceless. Which is why I went for the save and He was pleased. lol. So yeah that was a major thing hey.

Anyway welcome to my madness and thanks for the info. :bedazzled:

[Naomi]

Well I understand, there are good eggs and bad eggs in every race, and that we have allies on their side. I have a few personal issues and they make me very cranky, so they all keep a respectable distance. From the way you speak it sounds like he was a good guy. Especially since you didn't have a kneejerk reaction to my own experiences. Yet the race as a whole has much to answer for, particularily in relation to humans who have many many reasons to be pissed off at them, though they are just beginning to grasp a small bit of it.

So some guy that looks like a Sekhurra robot comes down and says to Crowley "Hi I'm Lam and I kick ass" and Crowley's like "Word, let me get some." Isn't that the story?

I've read about 10% of Crowley's work from the source itself.

M1thr0s that's a good piece of information. It really doesn't explain much about lam the grey except that Crowley's Lam may have given a riddle as his name....it makes sense, given their behavior.

How do you feel about dolphins, lizards and so on Kazahel?

I was pretty much in love with them when I was a child. Some interesting phenomena also during adolescence. I felt like I was turning into a crocodile or a reptile. Like I would be laying there on the bed and this complete change would come over me. When I met up with Sebastian (Okazaki) we did some DNA mutation work among many other things and I could feel higher emotions like love...felt no attraction to reptiles any longer and became a bit of a new person...more like myself. There's a lot to be told on this one.

I'm curious to hear about your growing up experience. Were you also highly intelligent, felt comfortable among adults and were more reserved than most children?

Chaka, to answer your question...they don't go undetected. That's part of the problem. People remember things because of who they are (soul-wise) while some humans are easier to hypnotize. The work they do is simply high technology, nothing magical, per se, though it may seem so.

People don't remember because they're stupid/ignorant. And who made them ignorant? Who has kept them that way? Surely humans are to blame somewhat but no one can force you down one path. There has to be some laziness there for consent to be given, even if it is a dark and self destructive path.

[Kazahel]

So some guy that looks like a Sekhurra robot comes down and says to Crowley "Hi I'm Lam and I kick ass" and Crowley's like "Word, let me get some." Isn't that the story?

I've read about 10% of Crowley's work from the source itself. I dont know you guys tell me. I've read very little cause I'm pretty slack like that. And what I have read I kinda forget. lol

How do you feel about dolphins, lizards and so on Kazahel?

I was pretty much in love with them when I was a child. Some interesting phenomena also during adolescence. I felt like I was turning into a crocodile or a reptile. Like I would be laying there on the bed and this complete change would come over me. When I met up with Sebastian (Okazaki) we did some DNA mutation work among many other things and I could feel higher emotions like love...felt no attraction to reptiles any longer and became a bit of a new person...more like myself. There's a lot to be told on this one.Hmm well I dont think I like dolphins or lizards any more or less than most creatures. Dolphins arnt very high on my list of favorites though thats for sure... and this one time not long ago.. I actually found myself lucidly dreaming as a fully shifted crocodile, which after I deathrolled someone, I shifted into a great white shark and ate another. If that means anything.


I'm curious to hear about your growing up experience. Were you also highly intelligent, felt comfortable among adults and were more reserved than most children? I'm too lazy to type that right now hey.. sorry.

[Naomi]

Huh, that's interesting...

[fr.novumorganum]

There is a bit of debate about the LAM portrait. There is some thought that the LAM contact was the result of the Amalantrah workings, some say another working, annd some claim it was just a sketch uncle Al made. In any case, the image of LAM first came into existence 1918/1919 ( in 1919 it was published) Now during that time period AC was invloved in a series of sexual workings with the intnetion of gathering 'recieved information' (see my thread in Magick for a discussion of this practice). However, during this time period was also when AC decided he was a painter as well as a poet, so there is support for both claims.

AC never really wrote (at least anything that has seen general publication) about LAM. Kenneth Grant got ahold of the drawing, and almost all known work on LAM has been through Grant. Grant of course claimed that AC passed on secret teachings about LAM, and that is what has served as the basis for Grant's work. Of course, we are talking about Grant here, so take that with a box of salt. If there are any secret order teachings about LAM, they are above my degree.

[m1thr0s]

M1thr0s that's a good piece of information. It really doesn't explain much about lam the grey except that Crowley's Lam may have given a riddle as his name....it makes sense, given their behavior.No, it doesn't...but I think my feeling has been that a little too much is made of that.

Maybe I should put that differently...if Crowley were the ONLY person to have seen this character we wouldn't really be terribly interested in it I think. Now that untold thousands of people have reported it, or variations on its theme, his having drawn attention to it in 1918/1919 takes on an entirely different value. It is extremely unlikely that any more than a minute handful of people who have seen this LAM (or any of its kin) ever had anything at all to do with Aleister Crowley, so I am more inclined to feel that this is an independant archetype of some kind, particular to post-1918 culture...mostly european or post-european from what I can gather, although this has not been verified.

Now...you are an artist Naomi and you are aware of the power of light, right? And you know how light itself can impact people's minds without their even knowing it, correct? So...let me show you how to produce LAM with the flick of a simple switch. Take any standard electric lamp and make sure that it has a standard lampshade on it. Place that lamp on a small table against a blank wall. turn off all other lights in the room. Now turn on the lamp and look very closely at the light pattern on the wall...

Sounds crazy? Could be...but IF this is a current archetype, that means it is rooted in something unique to post-1918 culture. Electric Lights is one of these things...It wasn't until around 1910 or thereabouts that electric lamps were widely available to people in the comfort of their own homes, even though the original discovery goes back as far as 1800: see here (http://www.enchantedlearning.com/inventors/edison/lightbulb.shtml)

Nothing definite...just food for thought. It doesn't mean the archetype is invalid or anything...it only speaks to its form. 50-100 years previous to this it would have probably been an angel...

Alchemy can be brutal, but it is exact.
What I don't quite understand is why they would be "gray". It may have something to do with the fact that we haven't really filled in the blanks the way we would have done with angels or with godforms...in a sense...it's a "gray area" for most people...that's how it is with archetypes...it's all a symbiotic relationship...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

I think LAM is connected to the Wandjina though, which is very old.. there are cave paintings..

[Naomi]

I think what you're saying is light patterns on walls are making people think aliens that look like lightbulbs are appearing everywhere?

I think the robots are grey because the Sekhurra are really boring and stupid people, despite all of their scientific advancements. Like those boring people who buy slate grey as a choice, constantly, or have to have everything matchy matchy in their house.

I mean I have a grey Honda hybrid but only because it was the first one i could get when they were released.


I don't understand what you mean by "current archetype" and what you mean by "It doesn't mean the archetype is invalid or anything...it only speaks to its form."


M are you aware of the amount of research on these guys that is out there? I bought the Thoth deck and after I started using it, guess who showed up. Uh huh, those guys. So after I had a few visions with them in it I started researching this. The accounts from military personnel and other people are very intrguing and worth looking into.

So what I would like to know is how much of the work out there on the topic of these particular aliens have you read. Because it sounds to me like you think it's B.S. and if you have logical explanations for some of the major ufology research out there it would be great to hear that.

[m1thr0s]

first I have heard of it but it doesn't make sense that a neanderthol (?) archetype would suddenly make it's debut in 1918...

as a rule, archetypes are linked to their immediate environments in special ways...

I realize the above theory is hard to swallow perhaps. It happens that I have seen this LAM myself and this was exactly how it manifested so i am not just pulling this out of my ass or anything...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I think what you're saying is light patterns on walls are making people think aliens that look like lightbulbs are appearing everywhere?No no...that's not it at all...

This is actually a pretty complex thing and has to do with how archetypes are rooted in every day experience. To an Indian living on the plains, the Great Spirit may appear in the form of a White Buffalo...why? Well the Buffalo has intrinsic survival value to that Indian. Since it doesn't mean anything to someone living at the North Pole, the eskimo's have never seen it...

What I am saying is that this particular energy pattern is prevalent enough and relevant enough to have formed a kind of wedge in the psyches of those who are close to it...it's just a shell essentially...it says nothing of the content that may follow...

It doesn't mean that the Intelligence behind the form is related to light bulbs...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

I realize the above theory is hard to swallow perhaps. It happens that I have seen this LAM myself and this was exactly how it manifested so i am not just pulling this out of my ass or anything...

m1thr0sWhat exactly was your LAM experience.. can I ask?

[m1thr0s]

So what I would like to know is how much of the work out there on the topic of these particular aliens have you read. Because it sounds to me like you think it's B.S. and if you have logical explanations for some of the major ufology research out there it would be great to hear that.Yes I am aware and no I don't think anything is BS...

This may be one of those things that it just too subtle to make perfectly clear...

Archetypes...the forms higher consciousness take to establish a dialogue...are necessarily rooted in our day-to-day experiences...often at an unconscious level. It would be highly unlikely that a Honda Civic would ever be used because it's too specific...it's too easy for you to dismiss it as a joke...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

What exactly was your LAM experience.. can I ask?Sure you can ask. It was a dialogue that ensued over a relatively small period of time in which I seemed to be in touch with the so-called "Master Therion"... It lasted for maybe 6 months to a year and ultimately faded into the background as something no longer needed basically...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Well it's just that I had heard it was nuclear technology that really stirred the hornet nest.

I have two faces to this, of course. My logical/scientific side which likes to present everything coldly and provable to everyone, and my intuitive side that fills in the blanks after absorbing thousands of pages of text and images.


You're talking about the alien looking petroglyphs?

LAM doesn't look like the ones I saw. The eyes are too small. It actually looks like maybe a form of the AI greys when they are inhabited by a Sekhurra, due to the slitted eyes. It's a stretch though.

I saw two types. First the AI greys, who smelled like petroleum and sort of wandered around the house as they pleased, telling me to visit places like Zeta-talk or other grey-positive sites, and then when I rejected them and told them to get out, and did the counter work with Sebastian I had a nasty looking reptile staring at me out of my closet that both Greg and I saw...at the same time. That scared me. I really wasn't prepared for the idea that creepy lizard people would to hide in my closet and project malevolent energy at me. Whatever though.

So if you want to look at it symbolically, I was approached by these greys in what seemed like a positive way, I began to dislike them, and then a reptile appears in my closet and glares at me...and Greg.

The feelings and images I experienced are very close to what other people experienced.

What they are to me is what they are. I can't present to anyone my experiences or anything in the same way. Yet I find my research matches up with what other people are seeing.

I wish I had read David Icke's books, now, come to think of it, as Sebastian just mentioned in this book of his that one of his was like 90% accurate on them.


So M, did you ever do some research, I'm interested in what you think about that U.S. military account of visiting the "Zeta" "Grey" homeworld, after which the U.S. began firing on the UFO's for some reason nobody knows...

I'm not a ufologist, and it's not my main interest, so pardon me if I don't remember who wrote it. Maybe Greg can find it for me as he was the one showing me most of the military docs and he and my mother are both Coast to Coast AM freaks nowadays... :)

[Kazahel]

Sure you can ask. It was a dialogue that ensued over a relatively small period of time in which I seemed to be in touch with the so-called "Master Therion"... It lasted for maybe 6 months to a year and ultimately faded into the background as something no longer needed basically...

m1thr0s So it was just a voice to you?

[m1thr0s]

So it was just a voice to you?No...I already said it was a visual contact...communication was more of a telepathic nature...

So M, did you ever do some research, I'm interested in what you think about that U.S. military account of visiting the "Zeta" "Grey" homeworld, after which the U.S. began firing on the UFO's for some reason nobody knows...
Not specifically...I've heard about this peripherally...whatever it was I was communicating with seemed to be connected to a very high state of technology...I'm not trying to belittle the intelligence behind the mask...but I do think it's a mask.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Well that was weird, I seem to have skipped a couple of posts...hmm...maybe I need to pay attention better.

White Buffalo Calf Woman...yeah what a bitch.

The Great Spirit appears everywhere though. Spiders are not really very important to survival. They have no use except for catching bugs, and during the summer the Lakota were in the plains mostly.

Iktomi to them is the spider god, lord of technology and white people and self trickery.

So yeah, I buy the fact that everyday icons are important. Andy Warhol drove that one home, didn't he?

[m1thr0s]

people often get the sensation of these beings as being connected to a whole class...a whole race of beings similar to themselves. This is also one of the attributes of archetypes...they break down this whole sense of isolation in things as a rule...they fan out universally etc. That's why we have "pantheons" of every kind and caliber in this world...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

No...I already said it was a visual contact...communication was more of a telepathic nature...

Not specifically...I've heard about this peripherally...whatever it was I was communicating with seemed to be connected to a very high state of technology...I'm not trying to belittle the intelligence behind the mask...but I do think it's a mask.

m1thr0sWhat did you actually see though and how.. like in a dream did you see a grey or what? Sorry if I'm not keeping up.

I agree with the technology... like to go into my experience alittle, the blue triangle around his neck pulsed every now and then, which when ever it did, it was like a natural high but really strong(which was another reason I wanted to steal it.. was better than drugs). Anyway I remember thinking that it was keeping me in a state of happiness so I would be calm during our meeting. It wouldnt of been the same meeting without it hey. I wouldve probably punched him in the head otherwise. lol And he knew it. We both knew it.

Ahh I was young and semi lucid.

Anyway.

[m1thr0s]

The Great Spirit appears everywhere though. Spiders are not really very important to survival.Spiders are like snakes in that they connect through lower brainstem consciousness. Spiders can kill human beings and have ALWAYS commanded a powerful place at the table so to speak...Ereshkigal was of the spider clan as well and I am told that she actually predates Sumer...she was already an old godform by the time Sumer was built...probably Shamanic origin...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Ok but that doesn't explain surgically precise cattle mutilations.

It's not really a sensation so much as the fact that a whole bunch of them appeared together in my dreams and even like...walking right down the hall.

I mean sure...we all emanate from the source through fractal strands of complicated coding.

See as above, so below means to me that you have this upper version (the idea) and the lower version (physical manifestation). And each idea sprouts new fractal ideas that express emergent behavior only due to our tiny minds. And then this in turn expresses itself in the world of matter as similar emergent expressions.

However, that doesn;t mean a mere idea can't walk up to a cow and go "Hey I need to drain your good humors to nourish myself" using a sci fi laser and freak out the humans. Who they are trying to dominate.

:D

I mean you said yourself that physical and mental are one and the same. That's far out even by modern standards as most people say instead that physical and mental worlds are both a part of reality...

That's fresh.

So in a way both ideas are correct.

I mean If I dump water on your head will you just go "Oh that is just a sensation brought about by underlying mathematical phenomena...and my cold ass wet clothes are just an archetype of wetness."

No I think you would stare at me in shock or even yell at me.

"Naomi wtf are you doing dumping water on my head!"

anyways I'm just rambling SOC style, since you're doing the same thing....I think...

[m1thr0s]

What did you actually see though and how.. like in a dream did you see a grey or what? Sorry if I'm not keeping up.These were vision states. I used to do a lot more trancework than I seem to do now. At a certain point I sort of got all the info I needed so needed to change the channel in a sense. I still do trancework but not as frequently...

So what I saw varied...but there were times I was overwhelmed with the visions of high technology...and millions of people (?) well...beings of some kind...all doing very technical kinds of things...lots of action going on...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Spiders are like snakes in that they connect through lower brainstem consciousness. Spiders can kill human beings and have ALWAYS commanded a powerful place at the table so to speak...Ereshkigal was of the spider clan as well and I am told that she actually predates Sumer...she was already an old godform by the time Sumer was built...probably Shamanic origin...

m1thr0s

So what animals are not important? :(

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I don't have all the dots connected that's for sure. I still don't really get the whole mutilations bit...makes no sense that I can think of. I have a few theories but I can't say they make that much sense either...

But not all these beings will be beneficent. Some are bound to be hostile.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I don't know of any unimportant animals...never thought about it...but some animals are more prevalent or more prominent in human experience. Spiders and snakes go just about everywhere people do and both have the power to take us out that's all...so they command a lot of respect and also fear I think...

m1thr0s

[Aodh]

I don't know of any unimportant animals...never thought about it...but some animals are more prevalent or more prominent in human experience. Spiders and snakes go just about everywhere people do and both have the power to take us out that's all...so they command a lot of respect and also fear I think...

m1thr0s
Humans. ;)

[Okazaki Castle]

I wish I had read David Icke's books, now, come to think of it, as Sebastian just mentioned in this book of his that one of his was like 90% accurate on them.



Um, yeah, that was sort of a lie mainly, cuz I was mainly refferring to the paper it was printed on, which was telling the truth lots, being made of trees, and having elven stuff run thru it. But I printed the words like that also so that I could then send it to publishers, like lots of them, The Temple of Venus Priesthood Course ffs... and see who rejected it and why. Only ones seriously interested, funnily enough, were a publication company in Japan with connections to Shinzo Abe (who was relatively unknown at the time) Yakuza, and Genbukan. Rest of them were scared off, didn't even reply after the first 4 submissions (who all did reply, as per standard agent and publisher practice, even if only a standard 'not interested' form sent back on your SAE. Then sent out another wave of around 80 or so)... which let me know that someone, somehwere interfered and the only ones who weren't cowed were the Japanese. So that in turn let me know that the Reptilians had control of the rest of the world pretty much. And cuz they interfered in my lifepath/system (book publication) they themselves thereby opened the gate for me to interfere in theirs. Which I subsequently did.

David Icke is of course a raving lunatic who is however very funny... because of what he manages to get people to believe in cuz he claims to be 'of the light'. I bet he's a goetic/antarean in some way, cuz that tends to be very similar to their sense of humour. However, whilst his stuff is complete rubbish for the most part (as an ego personality) it does refer to the actual truth of things at 'one step of removal' so to speak: ie the truth is somewhat similar to what he says, just differently set up. So it's good enough to recommend to the humans really, who are too weak to handle what's really going on on this here planet, most of which mainly revolves around eating human children for lunch, as body parts or medicine. Well, humans do it to calves, fish, lambs and so on... just can't really tell them that what they do unto others is also done unto them. They like to think they're extra special and protected. They're not of course, cuz karma has no exceptions like that. World governements know about it too, some of them tried to fight the aliens involved also (fat chance), but in the end they settled for 'keep it covered up and pretend everything's normal'. Incidentally, children's hospitals is where a lot of the lunch menus are picked up from, and the world's pharmaceutical cartels are big players in this scene, cuz of more secret ways in which lots of their drugs are designed to work...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

I understand that line now about my father who art in heaven.. DNA being His art.

Haha, yeah, it's funny how you can say one thing in a completely literal and true way yet also deliberately in such a way as to allow the humans to completely and utterly misunderstand it due to their own interpretative biases. My father who art in heaven nomrally meaning to them 'located' when in fact he's doing Art, as in the ancient Arts of DNA splicing, for example. Very cool, and also does that blue triangle thing come in different settings and colours if you know? I ask cuz I want one...

So yeah, aliens, Tribute principle, get me one of those triangle thingies, plus some rings with sparkly gems which do the same thing, so's I can use them on girls. No moldavite is not good enough, I want full-on horny tripping stuff...

:D :cool:

all the best Kazahel, and thx for the xmas present ideas! :)
Oaz.

[Zifiriskenoxa]

whats the possibility of me being a cast out alien desserted on earth ^_^

[Okazaki Castle]

Fairly strong I'd say. Weirdo. :laugh:

Oaz.

[Kazahel]

David Icke is of course a raving lunatic who is however very funny... because of what he manages to get people to believe in cuz he claims to be 'of the light'. I bet he's a goetic/antarean in some way, cuz that tends to be very similar to their sense of humour. However, whilst his stuff is complete rubbish for the most part (as an ego personality) it does refer to the actual truth of things at 'one step of removal' so to speak: ie the truth is somewhat similar to what he says, just differently set up. So it's good enough to recommend to the humans really, who are too weak to handle what's really going on on this here planet, most of which mainly revolves around eating human children for lunch, as body parts or medicine. Well, humans do it to calves, fish, lambs and so on... just can't really tell them that what they do unto others is also done unto them. They like to think they're extra special and protected. They're not of course, cuz karma has no exceptions like that. World governements know about it too, some of them tried to fight the aliens involved also (fat chance), but in the end they settled for 'keep it covered up and pretend everything's normal'. Incidentally, children's hospitals is where a lot of the lunch menus are picked up from, and the world's pharmaceutical cartels are big players in this scene, cuz of more secret ways in which lots of their drugs are designed to work...

all the best,
Oazaki. I cant believe you've all read this famous David Icke I keep hearing about. It almost makes me tempted. I read very little once somewhere and thought he was very creative but that was about it. And with everything I hear about him I havent gone out my way. I basically avoided reading anything too ufo based because I didnt want it to effect my dreams.. so I havent actually read very much on ufo's etc and only really started about 10 years later. So I believe in what I've seen and only what fits in with it. Which is pretty much just LAM(abralam)and not others(an atien too though). Which I thought I should add.. So I havent read much at all because I'm not like that.. I'm lazy like that hey.

Haha, yeah, it's funny how you can say one thing in a completely literal and true way yet also deliberately in such a way as to allow the humans to completely and utterly misunderstand it due to their own interpretative biases. My father who art in heaven nomrally meaning to them 'located' when in fact he's doing Art, as in the ancient Arts of DNA splicing, for example. Very cool, and also does that blue triangle thing come in different settings and colours if you know? I ask cuz I want one... The triangle is only blue and is a one of a kind thing.. it literally is a well of souls. Which is why if you've been loving you get taken into the heart of IAM to rest in the waters.

So yes I bring the good news! There is a Father in heaven who loves you very much and if you are loving he takes you to heart. Maybe I should go to a christian forum to spread the news?

[m1thr0s]

hmmm...
I still think you should try the Bija's experiment...

personally, the whole idea of souls contained in anything gives me the creeps...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

The triangle is only blue and is a one of a kind thing.. it literally is a well of souls. Which is why if you've been loving you get taken into the heart of IAM to rest in the waters.


What if you break his heart whilst you're imprisoned there, just cuz you're too big and nasty and compressed to be contained in that way? and maybe cuz you know a little about such things and took a big pentagram on your way in...

But anywayz, no fair really, you said it was better than drugs and so presumably somehwat like them, to be comparable. I want the head trip version, or the individual nerval cluster trip version. As before, figure it out, make them, fetch them to me, on Tribute principle, this one goes to the tall greys, they're good at that sort of thing, if you manage it in time then I won't burn out all your eyes leaving your entire race to do Reverse Diogenes Codings, like I was planning to...

Regards,
Okazaki.

[Kazahel]

What if you break his heart whilst you're imprisoned there, just cuz you're too big and nasty and compressed to be contained in that way? and maybe cuz you know a little about such things and took a big pentagram on your way in.. Who said I'm going? I just show 'the way'.. I already have my.. blue eyes. But you can try if you like.

[Naomi]

I had no idea it looked like a pyramid but they do have ways of grabbing their own souls and keeping them around for sorting. It does make sense since you can grab and keep lower dimension souls in a triangle as you can with infernals below our physical density.

If you serve your boss good in the hierarchy you get upgraded bodies, with the hopes of someday (maybe in a million lifetimes) becoming a purebred reptile who gets to lounge about and fuel their vices limitlessly. Yech. The reptiles upgrade their DNA too, by seeking throughout new frontiers for better and more powerful ways of doing things. Hence, their name, and religion, Sekhurras. Yet....

"All those souls and you still don't have one of your own. I pity you sorcerer."

- Liu Kang

No wonder they're stupid and impotent...such a system is bound to create flabby losers.

I got 90% reptillian DNA on pure willpower. They couldn't push me out once I got in.

Tricky though...you have to be high level soul born to high level soul for that one to work...on heyoka mode so they don't really know wtf you're about or even have a clue on how to destroy you...


Oi don't you think those souls would just hover around going "OMFG what do we do now?!!" if you busted the triangle, because they want to be there...cowards, imho, and missing out on natural evolution. That's a dark dark path when you come to the end of it, too, I'll bet. After all, they havn't been without rebels who caught a whiff of reality. Better to walk between the stars alone. Better to make friends as free as you are.

You know O, I've been reading David Icke's website and he's funny and corny and all but I think he's actually better for this job than anyone else, as he gets down on that self righteous pro-christian level the humans love. Obviously he wanted the job...

[Kazahel]

I just wanted to quickly add something..

If some people see a link between LAM and the grey aliens, and other people see a link between the Wandjina's and the grey aliens, then is it so crazy to see a link between LAM and the Wandjina?

[m1thr0s]

I don't really know that much about the Wandjina, but if they happen to be mushroom eaters, there may be another angle on this altogether. While I have not experienced it myself, it has been reported by some that this particular form can be contacted just by injesting certain kinds of mushrooms. There are certain archetypes associated to different chemical compounds and no one really knows why that is necessarily. Perhaps LAM is one of these, perhaps not, but it is among the existing literature you will find out there at least.

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

I don't really know that much about the Wandjina, but if they happen to be mushroom eaters, there may be another angle on this altogether. While I have not experienced it myself, it has been reported by some that this particular form can be contacted just by injesting certain kinds of mushrooms. There are certain archetypes associated to different chemical compounds and no one really knows why that is necessarily. Perhaps LAM is one of these, perhaps not, but it is among the existing literature you will find out there at least.

m1thr0s They dont have those kinds of mushrooms up in the Kimberley. So I very much doubt that they are mushroom eaters. In fact I thought from memory that the only ones we get in W.A are down south near Balingup, which were brought in from somewhere else not that long ago(or so the story goes). Which are pretty cool but I didnt see no Wandjina's. Maybe if I dropped some and stared at my desk lamp though who knows? lol

[m1thr0s]

I can almost guarantee you you'll get past the "gray"...;)

and actually, come to think of it, the version I interacted with wasn't gray at all...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

I can almost guarantee you you'll get past the "gray"...;)

and actually, come to think of it, the version I interacted with wasn't gray at all...

m1thr0s What do you mean by get past the grey? And do you think your experience was close to mine? Like... anotherwords what did they exactly tell you may I ask and why did the grey come..(did you look to have your experience)?

It's just I'm not so sure that our experiences are the same hey. So what exactly did you see and what did they tell you and how.. etc. I'm most interested now.

[m1thr0s]

no, I don't think so. I was very steeped in the Book of Thoth at the time. I think I ran into more of a Therion character...similarly shaped but very different from the Grays really...I'm not trying to compare the two really...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

Yeah good because they really dont sound like the same experience to me hey. ;)
Mine came about from a mix of lucid dreaming and general prayer(at a guess). And the only thing I was reading at the time was A Course In Miracles. Also mine came bringing the news of my son, and shared my future with me, with alittle extra's. And I dont know many.. beings that would do that or know that hey..

Anyway I feel like I walked with Wallungunder/A Wandjina, not just a grey. And I just find it personally interesting that this 'LAM' just happens to look like the one I walked with.

[m1thr0s]

the fact that he/it would have all this information about unborn kids is very interesting. from what you have indicated he/it even knows about these things prior to conception which is frankly pretty weird. I'm not sure what that actually means. I'm not much of a literalist though. I don't personally take this thing to have an independant existence from your own. I think it's some sort of symbiotic relationship basically. I think it's essentially YOU on some other level of your own being...

Naturally that would seem hard to accept since it would otherwise appear to be an independant being. It might do well to bear in mind that dream characters very often have the exact same capacity...yet they are in your dreams...

m1thr0s

[YsetEternal]

I can almost guarantee you you'll get past the "gray"...;)

and actually, come to think of it, the version I interacted with wasn't gray at all...

m1thr0s

Ive had a few encounters, and the ones interacted with werent grey either. The also were so sweet smelling it was sickening...

[fr.novumorganum]

has anyone encountered the dmt elves? they remided me of LAM as well

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

Never been abducted but I did evoke three "grey aliens" once... at least that is what I convinced myself of at the time and I frequently use that model when I explain it to others because it seems that is the one thing most people understand, plus it gives them a sense of wonder if only for a moment. Take a look at this - Abductions and Birth Memories (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6521/)... just to add a new angle to this discussion, lest the whole argument come from the "true believers".:)

[Little Billy]

Anybody here ever been abducted? Details would be cool.

Me I was abducted three times. The funniest was when a group I refer to as the Shi'Ar (borrowing the name from X-Men, cuz they look the same) abducted me from my bedroom in Cyprus when I was alseep one night back in May 2005. They density phase-lock you out of your reality and then return you to the original point of entry. The basic contract seems to be that they can't leave any actual evidence that they have so abducted you. Thing is, that time the retards underestimated what I'd been waiting for, having observed my fairly passive behaviour in the last two abduction scenarios by other species and thinking I was, therefore, a fairly 'safe' target. You see, the big danger to them is that when they abduct they take you to their density level, and so you are then existing at that level, and can live at that level, where mind is more creative of physical reality directly, except most abductees either don't know that or have a weak mind relative to their abductors.

So anyways, they abduct me, then I do my usual subtle 'check out where I am and who's playing about' that I do in these scenarios, and when I find out that I've finally been abducted by a species with wormhole craft, I stop the playing possum routinie and run the full Pa Kua art, which at that density you do rotating around in a sphere basically. Then I wander round thier ship sabotaging it basically and locking its control systems. Then pretend to fall to their stun guns (like, c'mon, seriously?!), knowing that I've already got what I want in place there and needing to get back. SO they think it's all safe again, and that they can put me back np... and then I flip to life during the process once more, sabotaging it in mid-stream (when they couldn't stop it for various reasons), which results in my waking up in my bed in my room with two very small, fine puncture holes, one in the arm by the elbow and one on the other arm at the juncture of thumb and forefinger... and sheets covered in around a good 3/4 pint of blood, which is quite a lot. So, basically, they violate their own terms and tenets and give me a massive great big blood seal on virginty terms. Leastways is how I viewed it.

So that's how I got a whole load of wormholes from beforehand...

Anybody else with cool stories on this one?

all the best,
Okazaki.


You should have stolen their hubcaps.

I've never had an experience with aliens, but I do know this: Aliens build the kind of spaceships that crash. Hell, WE can do THAT.

And what kind of alien would stop by Earth, the trailer park of the galaxy, anyway? I'll tell you who. Drunken frat-boy aliens, out slumming, that's who. Then they always seem to plough into the ground and leave bits of spaceship all over the place. Then the men in black come along and there's no end of paperwork.

We should just put up a big sign near Roswell, facing up, that says "ALIENS KEEP GOING. WE HAVE ENOUGH JACKASSES ALREADY."

[m1thr0s]

We should just put up a big sign near Roswell, facing up, that says "ALIENS KEEP GOING. WE HAVE ENOUGH JACKASSES ALREADY.":tyes:

has anyone encountered the dmt elves? they remided me of LAM as wellnever heard about these cats...are they a common dmt phenomenum or something?

m1thr0s

[Little Billy]

:tyes:

m1thr0s


Yep. You'd think a race with an interstellar drive would have better things to do than play "hide the probe" with some monkeys on a random mudball.

On the other hand, if Benjamin Franklin could see the technology we have today, he'd probably assume that our ethics had progressed as well. And he'd be just as wrong as I suspect the people who think aliens must be friendly are.

Funny thing is, do we even know they're aliens? Hell, they could just be PRETENDING to be aliens. They might be something even worse. Crowley's description of a nasty group of things he saw when he allegedly opened a "gate" matched the description of "Greys" perfectly.

Har har! Science does not remove the terror of the Gods. It just dresses them up in different costumes.

[m1thr0s]

Crowley was pretty good at opening up nasty gates now that you mention it. Being the aristocratic bad-boy that he was, he probably wasn't real good about cleaning up after himself either...

interesting idea...

m1thr0s

[Little Billy]

Crowley was pretty good at opening up nasty gates now that you mention it. Being the aristocratic bad-boy that he was, he probably wasn't real good about cleaning up after himself either...

interesting idea...

m1thr0s


Sure. That might explain the increase in the number of "ufo" sightings over the years. The nasty little buggers have been leaking through for 70 years or so.

This is EXACTLY what happens when you let a hash-freak loose in these kinds of situations.

Hell, it's gotten to the point where I never pray anymore, ever. You never know WHAT is listening. This also explains why so many "Christians" seem to behave in ways that directly contradict MML&J. Maybe what they're praying to isn't really Jesus. Maybe it's something we haven't even had nightmares about yet.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

On the other hand, if Benjamin Franklin could see the technology we have today, he'd probably assume that our ethics had progressed as well. And he'd be just as wrong as I suspect the people who think aliens must be friendly are.


We only have life on this planet to go by, but generally the main ingredients for intelligence are socializing and predatory skills. With the latter in mind we can seriously be worried about any future contact. There's no reason to assume an alien sapient will be altruistic towards us. And even if they don't want to eat us, or get rid of us and use our resources etc, even if they are "friendly", the fact that they are totally alien may make any basis for communication and dialogue impossible. I mean, even here amongst our own species, Germans often don't get dry humour and no one gets Japanese humour, and further afield we haven't even been able to fully understand the information passed in communication between dolphins, :)

[Dragon]

I'm laughing so hard I have the hiccups...and it's too hard to type when you have the hiccups...

~D~

[Oblio]

:tyes:

never heard about these cats...are they a common dmt phenomenum or something?

m1thr0s

Late response, but anyway:

I''ve had a few very interesting experiences with DMT (although, I'm not sure to what extent I exported my own things onto it, or it was the genuine experience of something other... nevertheless) - it's a very different high to any other chemical I've tried.

Entering the DMT experience is not a particularly subtle transition. One second you're drawing in, then you hear a high-pitched tone (like loud crickets) and the world as you know it fades out, to be replaced by something fundamentally different, but somehow strangely familiar.

On my first sitting, my vision became fractionated so that I was seeing many different perspectives of my room simultaneously, and everything was coloured vividly in scintillating shades of green. More than that, the perception of myself (when I came around to it) was as of a vaguely insectoid pillar of energy, attached to a web of energy circling around the room. As I started to descend from this state, I felt playful sparks of energy jumping over my body, particularly in my arms and legs.

In fact, this playful jumping energy is an extremely common theme in my DMT experiences (and everyone else I've talked about it with), and it seems connected with the high-pitched tone associated with onset. The more intense experience of this energy is perhaps the DMT elves that Terrence McKenna talked about.

(Linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Elves) to wikipedia on this - for a different perspective, check out the case against DMT elves (http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=dmt_pickover))

On another sitting, I was propelled completely out of my body (or I should say, the concept of my body was no longer relevant…) into a seemingly endless void. I noticed constellations in the darkness, some starting to spin and move around each other, then a form came into view - a serene feminine being sitting in lotus position gazing dispassionately outwards. At the same time (I should say, I was seeing her in two different but co-existing ways) I saw progressive geometrical shapes, beginning with point, line, triangle, square.. then onto the rest of the dimensions. Moving so fast that it all became a blur, finally coalescing as some throbbing fractal representation of all reality.

At this point I began to notice my body again (and perhaps knowing I would have to return soon), I stopped breathing, and stared at her/its face as if staring into the sun... but the most persistent thought was that somehow this figure was me in some absolutely fundamental way (maybe my archetype, or HGA...?)

The whole experience only lasts for a couple minutes. But the playful energy can be felt distinctly for at least another 20 minutes, with an "afterglow" hours or even days later.

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DMT can be extracted from golden wattle/acacia and grows naturally round Sydney (out of the city of course :D)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Jeez, all we have round here are the DTs :eek:

[Oblio]

DT's?

[Radiant Star]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens

[Oblio]

Ah :laugh:

Damn it, I hate being the guy everyone has to explain the joke to :(

[Oblio]

Highly recommended!

I'm sure reality will come together for the experience to be incredible, but just one tip if I may: a lot of people find little effect from it (mild buzz if anything), because they basically just don't inhale properly. Best way to do it is vaporise the crystal in a glass pipe and draw it in and in until you hear the tone :D

Helps to do it sitting comfortably, and to have a partner to grab the pipe - the transition (dissociation even) can be quite rapid!


Happy travels :rofl:

[Little Billy]

We only have life on this planet to go by, but generally the main ingredients for intelligence are socializing and predatory skills. With the latter in mind we can seriously be worried about any future contact. There's no reason to assume an alien sapient will be altruistic towards us. And even if they don't want to eat us, or get rid of us and use our resources etc, even if they are "friendly", the fact that they are totally alien may make any basis for communication and dialogue impossible. I mean, even here amongst our own species, Germans often don't get dry humour and no one gets Japanese humour, and further afield we haven't even been able to fully understand the information passed in communication between dolphins, :)

Captain Cook was pretty friendly the first time he ran into the Hawaians.

Result: Venereal disease swept through the population.

LB,
Won't be fucking any aliens. Well, most likely not.

[Oblio]

Hmmm.. you probably wouldn't have a choice in the matter :yes:

[Naomi]

Fascinating talk by some guy named Michael Tsarion. Just sort of stumbled on it on the front page of Google Video. I happen to agree with most of what he talks about and actually watched the whole video which is very long. If you're interested, he spans everything from issues like the British invasion of America, alien genetic alterations, the use of yoga to combat alien DNA and the rise of the ego, as well as quotes from Hermes T. and celtic druidesses. So I would advise coffee or popcorn:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

[Radiant Star]

I spent most of the day on and off listening to that video.

Some good things in there, well, they were interesting to me anyway. :cool:

[Naomi]

Yeah cool Ricci, nice to hear you thought it was interesting, but I came to a brilliant observation myself in referring to Hermes Trismagistus as

Hermes. T...

Mr. T?

"I pity the fool!"

Damnit that's funny.

Anyways I had to alter my alien DNA, have all sorts of stories about the ordeal I went through. Lots of other people won't even talk about it so it was shocking for me to see someone discuss yoga...or the old yoga systems as a way of repairing mismatched DNA. It's all hearsay until you experience it I guess, which is why I almost never talk about it...heh heh...

We had a Satanist come through Memphis not to long ago...quite well known in our local underground community who also later corresponded to me his belief in the legends of ENKI and ENLIL as alien beings who took part in the alteration of humankind. First time I heard of that though I was already trying to unravel why my family always saw UFO's and what the hell was wrong/right with me.... :D

[Radiant Star]

Just watch out for this:

:abduction:

[Deimos]

I've been repeatedly abducted though the extent to which I've been taken is unknown. Most of the abductions I've noticed occur since I actually asked to be abducted and only because they let me know that they had visited me or woke me up themselves. I know that I was abducted at least once before asking though and possibly many more times since my childhood because of the psychic abilities that developed during my youth and also because my grandmother told me once that she had seen a flying saucer years ago and I have heard that aliens tend to follow people's families.

I wish I could tell you what happened when I was abducted but I have only one brief and interrupted experience where I believe I retained my memory of the event. It was, needless to say, frightening and traumatic. However, after I lost consciousness again I was woken up by a woman who was tapping my on the chest and who was smiling at me in a way that expressed concern and affection and who promptly walked out my second story bedroom wall.

Other evidence I had that they were there involve "man-made" looking marks, my door being opened on nights when I made a point to leave it closed, going to bed with my pants undone and waking up with them buttoned, and of course the good old-fashioned waking up to seeing, hearing, and/or feeling aliens.

[m1thr0s]

that's really interesting Deimos. I have read these sorts of accounts but only spoken to a very few people regarding their own experiences.

I don't honestly much know what to make of it since I can tell you without question that some of us couldn't attract an alien abduction if we painted a great big bullseye on our chests and mounted special alien landing gear on our rooftops! Maybe we just taste bad to Aliens or something...who knows...

I've even had people deliberately send spacecraft to pick me up (at least by their accounts) yet nothing ever happened. Admittedly I would be inclined to shut down all such occurrences magickally anyway, but most abductees would seem to be convinced that this wouldn't likely work in their case anyway.

So it puts everything at a kind of awkward stalemate...I don't disbelieve your story personally...I just have no way to place it in my own experience I guess.

m1thr0s

[Deimos]

I had sent out some directed psychic messages for awhile without any results. During the time I was really unsure what they were and was almost too scared to be interested in them. Then one day I started thinking about them from a biological and evolutionary standpoint and felt that I had sufficient reason to believe them to be something other than violent, sadistic psychopaths and felt that I would be safe if I were to make contact with them. All the strange experiences that I know of except one started immediately after that.

In all likelihood I didn't initiate contact with them since they had already visited me before, it's just more possible that my attempts to contact them set the stage for a new kind of contact that was more frequent and slightly less one-sided.

[m1thr0s]

there are a few possible alternate explanations to this type of phenomena. Perhaps you have examined some of these already.

Most abduction episodes seem to occur at night and very often after one has already gone to bed and passed into sleep. An astral projection theory holds that some of this abduction phenomena may be attributable to spontaneous "bi-location" which is actually an anatomical reflex-action that occurs with certain people quite naturally.

The theory maintains that we all have a synchronized set of astral bodies linked to our physical bodies which under normal circumstances do not interfere with anything but some people have a difficult time phasing in and out of sleep states and can accidentally trigger what they refer to as a bi-location mechanism. bi-location just means being in two places at the same time, but the result of this occurring is also a heightened energy awareness which can easily turn to a fear response if the person involved doesn't have a clue what is going on...the mind fills in the blanks more or less and tends to run to the scary end of the spectrum in interpreting this phenomena...

I'm not saying that this is what is occurring...I am just suggesting that it's a good idea to get as many points of view on this as you can handle. According to this theory this condition is actually not all that uncommon and sort of qualifies as a kind of insomnia...but with a twist. Presumably you can come to recognize the whole process and thereby direct it better...usually using this natural occurrence as a springboard to mastering the entire range of astral bodies and corresponding worlds.

One of the interesting things about this phenomena is the sensation of others being in the room with you...this has been reported by nearly all test subjects without any outside prompting of any kind. Oftentimes these other presences will seem sinister but they almost never actually do anything sinister...it just seems to be the way the mind interprets it. But not always, since it is also commonly reported that there may be benevolent beings in the room as well, either one or the other or both...

Just something to reflect on maybe. Since I have no first-hand experience of this kind I am limited to communicating information I have found elsewhere.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I hear that space aliens exist, but even I doubt it sometimes - you know, after reading some of my old stuff in this thread I don't really remember doing alot of the stuff, but it was real at the time, and I did notice physical changes. Something about abductions and bilocation makes sense, you get that in Tibetan religious correspondences, where you wait for a very scary dream to visit you from the buddhas and you will be challenged to overcome your fear. I have noticed several instances of these obstacles to overcome, so it makes alot of sense to me.

I really know there is a huge body of evidence out there for aliens orbiting the planet and visiting with humans, but it's like I've been steeped in the whole culture my entire life with my family having such experiences that it doesn't interest me anymore.

I'm not as hostile as I used to be, so who knows what might happen if I ever encounter such visions again. I wouldn't know what to do.

I remember distinct instances where I was aware of these intelligences thinking and plotting (vaguely) somewhere on the astral and I became paranoid about it all, thinking that there was something I should do, but then now I realize I am just tapping into a vast network of minds and perhaps I was crossing lines with a race many millions or billions of light years away from here.

Still, I don't think that explains some of the lights and craft I've seen out in the New Mexico desert.

but

In my recent explorations, even this seems so very tiny in comparison to the vast explorations of entire cosmos that is explained in the Vedas. It all seems trivial in comparison. I actually believe these things are making contact with humans but that it's not obvious for a reason, and that it is not that important for someone practicing karma yoga.

After sketching out Ningishzidda I sort of realized the whole thing looked really grey-like, with the almond shaped black eyes and stuff, and I briefly considered maybe I was scrying the genetic potential of humanity, ie, where they are going as some sort of future species. Or maybe where they had come from previously. Or maybe I was imposing my own genetic imprint on what Ningishzidda should look like to my genetic signature.

At the same time I became rather consciously aware of a giant network across all of the stars that acted as a kind of genetic exchange program that worked by exchanging patterns of affection and compatibility with new code, that affected entire planets and caused mutation. Mutation is very important in evolution particularly in cases where you have very little growth based on survivability and favorable traits as with humans.

[Deimos]

I've woken up with people in the room and splinters that I didn't go to bed with(and no way to have gotten them in my sleep) among the other bits of evidence that I had previously mentioned, all after having witnessed very physical metal disks appear and disappear out of thin air in a clear blue sky.

It's just do to the physical nature of the experiences that I think an visitation by physical beings is the most likely explanation.

[m1thr0s]

It's just do to the physical nature of the experiences that I think an visitation by physical beings is the most likely explanation.yeah...people never seem to grasp just how physical the Mind really is...I so often hear that as the first line of defense against the possibility of the mind itself being at the root of things...

In any case...you seem to be sorting it out well enough on your own so that's a good thing. Some people really do seem to be locked into a nightmare reality they cannot escape from with all of this...not sure what the answer to that would be.

m1thr0s

[Amur]

I got approached by black round ufo's with lights on the ships at the age of 4-10. In the beginning they approached me very very carefully as to not frighten me at all. When I had enough courage to go through my fear they came closer to me. The special thing about them was that they had a very special kind of very powerful-like feeling. This power in itself was enough to scare already. I remember that when I had summoned enough of courage to approach them, they took me aboard and showed me different portions of space as it was. I had about 40-50 dreams like this with them. I'm actually very very very very very very very very thankful of them. I love them alot actually even though I have no idea whom they are. Because of the dreams I became quite the UFO fan in my early teens. I got obsessed about movies with extra terrestials and so on. Home beacons with the feeling they gave.

I think they suppressed some of the memories of what they did to me, as I'm quite sure that they did something but I'm not mature enough to know what. But I know that when time comes it will all happen what they did, which is a very good thing for everyone.

I've read abduction stories that have been like nightmares, cold experiments on the subject human that have a very destructive nature, and all kinds of other crap which I certainly don't tolerate at all.

In some senses it feels like I would be somekind of human ambassador for the aliens that showed me through space. When the right time has come I can step out and show who I am and discuss things from that perspective as well as from a human perspective. I really hope that it will be peace negotiations.

In one sense I feel that this alien group that approached me has their hands on alot of technology from alot of different things, this technology feels alot in tune with nature itself and harmony. For some reason I've told the opposers all the time that this war is useless, that we already possess the superior technology. In this sense it's quite useless to wage war against someone so superior in every sense.

Got to love logical deduction lol this is what it gave me:

"The rapers of this planet told me as an excuse that there are tens of thousands of planets out there with life on them, so if we think the whole thing from a perspective of humanity and humans, because there are tens of thousands of humans we might as well just rape one of them"

Anyway I think that the evil aliens will get their own share what is theirs and this planet will be freed, which means that every planet, animal or tree etc. will get freed if not already.

Here's (http://www.sabon.org/credo/index2.html) a good article about Chitauri(reptilians) and Mantidane(Greys). In the article you can see that their body design is physically looking atleast quite clumsy, although I can not speak about this as I have neither seen nor heard of either. Although I've been fighting reptilians for quite some while already. The funniest thing was that when I Awakened 2003 to the higher-most vibration that existed in the entire universe, I met somekind of resistance by some astral beings that tried to stop me. They were very surprised that I had awakened and started opposing me in all kinds of ways. Those same ppl have actually made me stronger by their oppositions, they hoped that I would've suicided because of the insanity they put into me. I've even gotten threathened by Eternal Suffering and what not weird things that have come from 'God'. All the while it seems that I'm actually approaching a point where I'm about to kill God(to get the internal natural God of everyone to everyone so that they could be free)

[Naomi]

Amur, I love your posts, they're always insightful and interesting, it takes guts to share that stuff.

I don't know what I think of aliens anymore. It's been a confusing year.

[Amur]

return, the first time was accompanied by pain (as they did not use any sort of anesthetic in th transport thing, and that sh*t was excruciating and loud) as far as the 'spearmints go, they want things with people, they are messing with space and time in order to avert the coming disaster in the current universe, and use human (related to them) skills and dna to try and accomplish this first.

I'm sorry to say but in my opinion they are just trying to cover up their own crap so that they wouldn't be/get 'responsible' for their own actions on this planet. In a way I also see them as experimenting and causing this disharmony on this planet to get the original Creators back to the planet. It's unsure why they would like to do this, atleast I think that it's very much out of boundaries to fuck up an entire planet just because they think that they could have their holidays here in a human form and rape the shit out of the planet. If they would've asked the planet before this whole thing then I suppose it would've been ok. But as I see and feel there are so many ppl that simply just shouldn't be here at this point of time which is quite odd to experience, it's like "wtf is that person doing here anyway he should be in that place of time and space instead"... So it is a quite confusing on many levels.

Also what they have done with the natural energy on this planet and the cities is in my opinion quite idiotic. They knew from the beginning that it would be a disaster to impose this on this planet at that point of development and still they did it, this is what I really can't understand. They've worked very very hard to get this technology here but all I feel is that it will be swooped away by nature itself and things will start anew from a whole new and clean cycle of creation.

They inverted the natural energy of the planet in cities, not sure what they are using it for in the first place. This was a way to get the thing to this point as if they wouldn't have done it, everyone would've been connected to the planet and the planet's consciousness and the planet would certainly not have constructed all these cities in this manner lest it had gone mad which I seriously doubt of a planet consciousness as it simply doesn't work that way.

Thanks for the topic, it's feeling good to spill out all these feelings...

[Amur]

Amur, I love your posts, they're always insightful and interesting, it takes guts to share that stuff.

I don't know what I think of aliens anymore. It's been a confusing year.

It's sure been a confusing many years, but apparently the coming year will take away alot of the illusions and show some truth atleast. Apparently I started a crucade to remove all aliens from the planet a while back heh, of course if they can abide by the natural laws on the planet it's ok for them to stay and explore the dimensions of human/nature experience.

Thank you very much, it is very encouraging to get this kind of response and gives alot of energy to go through all this crap. I do think that it tells something about the current situation here that my most holy feeling that I've experienced is PURE RAGE. People often understand me wrong when I tell about this rage but all I can feel is natures rage against the imbalance and rapage of the planet.

It's a bit hard when they are trying to confuse me all the time with different things or forms of 'maya'. It's quite disturbing to be frank. But finally things are starting to fall into place. I do think that humanity will make a choice themselves as to who will be able to inhabit this planet in the first place, as all I can see and feel that it is THEIRS to begin with and not these lost aliens who think they can abuse this planet for their own enjoyment and source of food. I know many many many many many many that are here that would like to see the right of power shift to where it rightfully belongs, I know many many many many many many many more that have been abused in all kinds of inhuman ways. I know many many many many many many many more that have been stuck in this fucking system for ALL TO LONG TIME and I sense that it is time for "FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" FFS \o/ :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: The Kingdom is rightfully Yours. I'm quite sure that the planet will soon start the ascension process, what I'm afraid is what will happen to those who opposed this thing, hopefully they could be teleported back to their own home...

[Naomi]

Maya is said to have a grip on us like a mother, we only see what she allows us to see, and when the time comes or she feels sorry for us, she lets us go and then we see reality.

I absolutely believe in venting frustrations and talking through feelings of rage and sadness.

We need to think about solutions and how to cope with our feelings while still allowing our mind to expand and prosper in this enviroment. Maybe sharks are a clue there, they are very efficient and hardcore, they don't take no for an answer and keep pressing on. I mention this because Kazahel has shark as his totem and he likes aliens too.

It's funny we have so many 'abductees' here

my mother is way into UFO's and aliens, I was too but gradually got sick of them, now I am looking for clues to what this whole mystery is.

Now Amur you know I went way up in the stratosphere last year, up where you know everything and anything you want, and I did ask about this, I asked the face of god itself "What the hell is going on with this aliens shit?" and I saw that there were only a few aliens and they wern't really a threat, most of what was happening with the distortion and misery here was due to a conflict in the flow of time itself, just contaminants in the waters, dried leaves that will pass away soon enough, and not so horrible in the grand scheme of things...

But Maya, she has you! Can you float above the sea for a while? :)

[Amur]

Maya is said to have a grip on us like a mother, we only see what she allows us to see, and when the time comes or she feels sorry for us, she lets us go and then we see reality.

I absolutely believe in venting frustrations and talking through feelings of rage and sadness.

We need to think about solutions and how to cope with our feelings while still allowing our mind to expand and prosper in this enviroment. Maybe sharks are a clue there, they are very efficient and hardcore, they don't take no for an answer and keep pressing on. I mention this because Kazahel has shark as his totem and he likes aliens too.


I like the feeling that you say that Maya has a grip on us like a mother. For some reason I feel very much in tune with the heart of this planet and nature, I have an odd love for nature that I can't even begin to describe at all, it just exists there without any reason. I haven't even begun to understand what this connection is and means, all I've seen is that it makes me very humble towards everything when the connection is up and has alot of justice and rightousness and power. Unfortunately I am also very very very stubborn and apparently don't take no for an answer and must say that it has led me to alot of trouble that I wished to have avoided in the firstplace.


It's funny we have so many 'abductees' here

my mother is way into UFO's and aliens, I was too but gradually got sick of them, now I am looking for clues to what this whole mystery is.

Now Amur you know I went way up in the stratosphere last year, up where you know everything and anything you want, and I did ask about this, I asked the face of god itself "What the hell is going on with this aliens shit?" and I saw that there were only a few aliens and they wern't really a threat, most of what was happening with the distortion and misery here was due to a conflict in the flow of time itself, just contaminants in the waters, dried leaves that will pass away soon enough, and not so horrible in the grand scheme of things...

But Maya, she has you! Can you float above the sea for a while? :)

Hmm, there are momens when the consciousness seems to elevate itself but then my reptilian brain cortex gets afraid of it as it remembers all the signals I got from the surroundings when in an awakened state. The surroundings tried to destroy me as fast as possible and left a traumatic imprint that I should not reach the state again or something gah. Whenever I've searched for this 'God-vibe' I've gotten destructive responses from the surroundings and the surrounding people. It feels like they took away my defenses and nowadays some of the negative impulses people get on another level is directly copied into my consciousness and being, this in turn makes alot of outer memes and routines of behavior copy themselves into me even though I wouldn't like to think nor feel that way. It's quite disturbing really. It feels like the most profound state in itself is silence, where one simply just is.

Wonder what they meant with a 'conflict in time itself'. Seems a bit too weird for me. A thought popped into me that said that 'they came too early here' or something along the lines where some actually disrupted the flow of time and evolution for a species/planet. As I see it or feel it the original flow of evolution was disrupted and in a way humanity was made slaves to something, which doesn't feel alltogether too good. There are many others I know of who also said that it feels like ppl come here to experience life as a human and become tricked by this thing and kinda becomes the whole systems slave, which I again don't think is good. There are many who have come here from far away places that are more than missed at home heh.

There's actually a way of opening up the pineal gland and making it produce somekind of near physical light, which in turn connects one to the universe and to oneself and God. It's literally the crown. Involves something about letting go of every impulse and just letting the energy go from the planet up through the brain hemispheres to the crown.

Ironical that I read about Kazahels post regarding silence and Lam, as it is also exactly what I've felt. Things would go as they were planned if everyone would let go and go into complete silence. I had some visions of the Creator and that if things went really bad I had to go get the Spirit of the Creator, which in turn meant to disrupt the silence which was dearly forbidden to do, apparently things have gone to this way which is something which I didn't want myself either, not sure what it's going to mean in the end as those things are quite metaphorical and symbolic. Anyway nirvana means extinguished, which can also be thought as a form of silence. When I've felt around people that have had their kundalini fully awakened and arised it has also felt like they wouldn't exist at all, which also feels like void or silence. The same phenomena is something which I've felt from some shamans. It was also felt when I decided to kill myself and then the planet arose it to the crown and it synced the brain-hemispheres with myself and the planet, at that point my whole consciousness got flooded with power and euphoria. It felt like I didn't exist as I had no ego left. Everything went according to the will of the planet and I couldn't understand why humans were in such a state of suffering. There were literally no energies whatsoever as everything seemed to be direct.

[deviadah]

There's actually a way of opening up the pineal gland and making it produce somekind of near physical light, which in turn connects one to the universe and to oneself and God. It's literally the crown. Involves something about letting go of every impulse and just letting the energy go from the planet up through the brain hemispheres to the crown.

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=1861

Plugging myself! :laugh:

But seriously I think the UFO abductions + the NDE can be linked in similar experiences. In the thread link I talk about Swedenborgs experience with Angels/aliens.

There is indeed a God-vibe, for lack of a better name!

:cool:

At the same time I became rather consciously aware of a giant network across all of the stars that acted as a kind of genetic exchange program that worked by exchanging patterns of affection and compatibility with new code, that affected entire planets and caused mutation. Mutation is very important in evolution particularly in cases where you have very little growth based on survivability and favorable traits as with humans.
This concept has really strucj a chord with me in the last few years!

DNgA

:)

[Amur]

No no...that's not it at all...

This is actually a pretty complex thing and has to do with how archetypes are rooted in every day experience. To an Indian living on the plains, the Great Spirit may appear in the form of a White Buffalo...why? Well the Buffalo has intrinsic survival value to that Indian. Since it doesn't mean anything to someone living at the North Pole, the eskimo's have never seen it...


I think the same subject around the archetypes might relate to near-death experiences also as they seem to vary in quite high degrees. For how long they appear until they vanish is very unclear still but I suppose one will know when one dies hehe..


So M, did you ever do some research, I'm interested in what you think about that U.S. military account of visiting the "Zeta" "Grey" homeworld, after which the U.S. began firing on the UFO's for some reason nobody knows...

What it feels to me is that the U.S. military made a pact with these aliens around being the leaders of the human collective consciousness or something along the lines in exchange for something else, perhaps a foot into the human door, I think the aliens actually started changing the collective consciousness and thought that they could just use the USA colour palette to change the whole world, well of course the consequences was that half the world turned against USA in most ways possible. I find it humorous that here USA has crashed down from being a liked country into something alltogether else, and those intone with nature have actually become _VERY_ aggressive towards USA, they would more like to see it blow up in somekind of super volcano bubble... I'm quite certain that at some point both the US goverment and the aliens will drop what they were doing becaue it is hopeless...

Read from some site that at the sametime the greys contacted the goverment, another group of aliens approached with an offering of peace, but their requirement was for USA to de-arm itself first, unfortunately the US goverment didn't agree to this. For some reason this line felt blue and peaceful while the other lines have other shades of colours for me personally..

[Deimos]

You know, I think aliens just like to abduct us because it's funny to them. Abducting humans is a joke to them, kind of like the jokes drunk fraternity members play on each other.

[Naomi]

Maybe - but that's assuming they even see things from our perspective - they might not have the capacity to understand humor, for one thing...

[Deimos]

Anyone could see things from the human perspective if they tried hard enough not to think.

[Naomi]

Oh...well I've been there...

If you go out far enough into the galaxies and space itself, humans too, are put into perspective, and inseeming so small they arn't quite as threatening.

But then, you have to live with them also, so it can be unpleasant most of the time. Most of it is just banding together with like minds, the same you would do in the wild if you were a Zebra- what else but band with other Zebras?

Humans have their own little subspecies at least on an intellectual level, it's why a Satanist will barely ever be able to tolerate the company of a Muslim or Christian for a great length of time....etc.

[Amur]

Maybe - but that's assuming they even see things from our perspective - they might not have the capacity to understand humor, for one thing...

Atleast for me both the reptilians and greys have shown alot of humour towards myself. The reptilians again feel a bit 'evil' in their humour but supposedly they've got the 'Ultimate humour or joke'. For some reason the reptilians are also equated to evil inside myself as it feels like they 'go against' quite alot of things. But I guess it will all clear out.

Yesterday I got into contact with the 'enlightened mind', it was really me but still They that made up consciousness, they were very loving and caring for me and truly wished me the best, as they were me but yet not me. They told me that they could've done alot of things to me(like turning me into an animal for example) if my consciousness would've been completely trained for it (as otherwise it would've just succumbed into fear or something else similar). So in this case, the more one can handle weirdness the more they could've shown me about the world. In a way I've already fucked up my human experience by awakening too early just because some ppl made a mistake, and I suppose there's no going back into the sleep state heh. But I've actually been very fortunate to be entertained by these aliens in alot of other things, as to not get me too bored.

I'm mostly just interested in setting this new network up and returning back to my home planet, tho it could be cool to train oneself with living as a hunting animal, it would certainly get this fooking lazyness away :) <3

[Deimos]

Atleast for me both the reptilians and greys have shown alot of humour towards myself. The reptilians again feel a bit 'evil' in their humour but supposedly they've got the 'Ultimate humour or joke'.


On the two occasions that I've been visited by the grays(the first being with a reptilian) I had the overwhelming feeling that they were playing a mean-spirited joke on me both times. Both times they did things to me that could be construed as nothing more than unnecessary actions that had no possible purpose other than mocking me.

I will say though that neither time did I feel that they were "evil" or were trying to hurt me(whether physically or through mental trauma), but that they were just "joking around" and having a laugh at my expense.

Truth be told though, it makes me miss the pretty blond or even the less pretty brunette that looked at me like she didn't like me at all.

[Anibis]

Maybe these aliens are the same idea as goblins? Sounds like what goblins do.
-Anibis

[Deimos]

Maybe these aliens are the same idea as goblins? Sounds like what goblins do.
-Anibis

Very possibly. I do subscribe to the theory that a lot of mythology has it's basis in the alien/UFO phenomenon.

[Naomi]

Maybe these aliens are the same idea as goblins? Sounds like what goblins do.
-Anibis


LOL that's what I was thinking, but aliens seems to make more sense

[Anibis]

Goblins are a little bit alien, of course, but I guess you mean 'extraterrestrials'? I sp'ose you could call goblins and fairies 'intraterrestrials' in a sense...But who can say?
-A-

[Deimos]

This is an odd question, but does anyone else go to bed at night not because they feel tired but because they start to feel an overpower sense that they need to go to bed because the aliens want them to go to bed, then wake up sore like they'd been exercising and really tired like they hadn't had much sleep in the morning?

I get this in phases and this last phase started with me waking up during the middle of the night to see and reach out and touch aliens.

[Naomi]

Yes. All the time.

[Deimos]

Does it tend to happen predominately in phases as well?

[Naomi]

Yes. Repeated sessions as if completing an upgrade scenario, similar to the process of rebuilding a computer.

Keep in mind I don't think these are aliens in the traditional sense, Deimos.

And you may not even leave your body - I stayed awake during all of it. I spent a lot of time practicing staying awake during meditation so it may be I am just better at remaining conscious during massive energy downloads.

I'm not discounting the idea it might be spaceships and all of that,, but I have to remain objective - even though believing in gods somehow makes even less sense - but it's more accepted if you state it in Buddhist or Hindu terms, ,even though this is not the way it should be, and could be why Buddhism and Hinduism have both stagnated - even Tantra is misunderstood and not fully utilized in a way that is beneficial.

Ok off tangent....gotta go pick up my kids I'll chat this up later...

[Deimos]

I don't know what it is exactly, but I do know that there must be some kind of an information download or energy exchange going on because after each episode I end up learning something new or becoming more sensitive to things that I never noticed before or my and/or my life takes a sudden and drastic change of direction.

[Naomi]

My best guess is you may want to learn how to steer those courses. At the moment you're just up for grabs at anything out there - if there are even aliens, they won't stop adjusting you anyways if you don't want them to - and if there arn't any such "aliens" (space aliens) then what's the harm in conducting your own growth?

I lucked out last night with the Nu Kua mirror and happened upon some kind of knot that was bothering me for a while and adjusted it myself - external visions aside this is all about raising our consciousness and the tools I use become easier to wield with practice, from different consciousness continuities to enviromental adjustments the proper way to a destination involved mastery of the tools, that way you arn't merely being tossed around down the river like a piece of flotsam.

The twinstar - treefields 001 mirror combo is really good for this kind of stuff, ,you should check it out....

[Deimos]

You know it's funny but I think the changes tend to happen more as a result of my current wants and needs than anything else. In fact, if they don't act to protect me from imminent harm or to further my progress towards one of my long-term goals(you know, to be a superhuman who no longer needs sleep, food, and who is all-powerful and all-knowing) then they usually tend to be the result of something I was complaining about before I went to bed.

Like today when I woke up I noticed that I was clearly more able to feel the effects certain situations on my body that I wasn't able to notice before. Like, I would put normal food in my mouth and as it touched and absorbed it's way into my tongue and the inside of my mouth I could tell exactly what it was doing to my body. When I ate greens, I felt a really wonderful feeling of healing in those tissues as they absorbed the green juice as I was chewing it. Just last night I was complaining about how the most healthy foods seem to be the ones that taste the worst and how they didn't any similar attraction towards eating in the same way that other, less healthy but more tasteful foods have.

Unless my moods and wants are being controlled by aliens(which is definitely a clear possibility) and that control isn't beneficial to me then I'm not sure I'd really want to do anything.

[Naomi]

Well, you may be more in control than y ou think...they call this "effortless effort" in the east, and it's one of the clearest ways to denote mastery. Of course whatever works for you you should keep doing, but there's always a chance to take it to the next level - always. Especially with such a lofty goal as becoming a superhuman, you really have to explore all angles.

[Deimos]

I'm actually having a hypnotist come over today. We're going to see if we can't get more to the truth of whatever's happening. She's not planning on using hypnosis for the sake of regression but she's got other tricks that can work for getting information more accurately.

[Naomi]

Is that so? Let us know how that goes then, I'd be interested. It's amazing what you can uncover with the right mental prybar....

[Deimos]

It ended up mostly being a lead in session where she got me as hypnotized as possible and then did a past-life regression for fun. She's going to save the alien questions for our next session.