Gateway to Abrahadabra

[Anibis]

Recently, it has been noted that for those who have no prior experience with Abrahadabra, it can be a very daunting body of work. SO, the question arises? How to begin? Different people will have different approaches, of course, but I have developed a simple 'entry level' excercise which should be sufficient to get people to a stage where they are comfortable enough to the basics to begin to experiment (The real pleasure of working with this formula). Take your time. If you are a beginner to magic, 6 months is a good time line to play with and digest this. First things first, before you engage Abrahadabra, Learn how to Centre and Ground, if you don't know already. Use whatever method makes most sense to you.

I think the best place to start with Abrahadabra (at least for me) is the tetractys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetractys). Try sitting and visualizing this structure. Once you can resonate with this, then learn to 'emanate it' when saying the word Abrahadabra (Go here (http://www.abrahadabra.com/secretchiefs001.htm) to see how the 'Abrahadabra grid (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=199)' meshes with the tetractys).
Ask yourself:

What is Tetractys?
What do the ten points do?
What are in the 9 chambers?


Another good place to start is by the classical (http://www.abrahadabra.com/traditionalview.htm) method. You could 'scry' it in 11 steps over 11 consecutive days. Scrying is basically creative visualization directed by intent. You envision the glyph, and then note what feelings, visuals, and thoughts crop up around it. As you go through your day, too, you will find that you will discover insights relating to the glyph in question.

In this case, each day you are adding one 'level' to the glyph, which is completed after 11 days.

The first day is:

A

then the second;

Ab

then;

Abr

then;
Abra...

And such. On the 11th day you would have:

A
Ab
Abr
Abra
Abrah
Abraha
Abrahad
Abrahada
Abrahadab
Abrahadabr
Abrahadabra

You can imagine youself sitting or standing inside of this triangle and being bathed in its light. Imagine the points of the tetractys standing out especially strong. You could visualize those letters in a different color, if you like, as follows:
A
AB
ABR
ABRA
ABRAH
ABRAHA
ABRAHAD
ABRAHADA
ABRAHADAB
ABRAHADABR
ABRAHADABRA


This completed the 'emanation' stage. Next you scry it for another 11 days, starting with:


A
Ab
Abr
Abra
Abrah
Abraha
Abrahad
Abrahada
Abrahadab
Abrahadabr
Abrahadabra


then;

A
Ab
Abr
Abra
Abrah
Abraha
Abrahad
Abrahada
Abrahadab
Abrahadabr


then;

A
Ab
Abr
Abra
Abrah
Abraha
Abrahad
Abrahada
Abrahadab




and so on till you have diminished it to nothing...

As an excercise, that will give you a feel for the technology. Also if you care to, you could run this 22 day intensive operation concurrently with a contemplation on the Tarot. So you could take the Trumps 0 to XXI and meditate on them in order during those 22 days, one Trump per day. I'd say a mathematically sound Tarot like the Rider Waite is your best bet in this. I use these (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2939&postcount=15) glyphs to resonate the trumps. You may even wish to eventually work this with the Thoth Count (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=433), or the Labyrinth (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=467).

You can start out slow with this, and try it several times, each time adding a 'layer' to the work. This a a foundation practive which can become quite intense and 'advanced'. But take your time with this, feel it out. Good luck.

-Ibisis

P.S. It shouldn't really need to be said that once you have gotten the basics: the Tetractys, the Abrahadabra Grid, and the cycles of Emanating and Retracting the grid (which is a 'force field'), that you can elaborate it as you will, and certainly don't have to follow my suggestions as regards glyphs and whatnot... by the time you can vibe the basics, you will have in these forums and associated pages a treasure trove of personalities and possibilities to draw on. Have FUN...

[Anibis]

Okay, so I'd like to add to this. Once you have got the first three stages down:

1. Tetractys
2. Abrahadabra Grid
3. Emanating and Retracting

then the next practice that you should definitely add is the TwinStar. Look here (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar001.htm). With these components in place, you will have IMO everything you need to work with this material intelligently. In general as you go through these practices you should have a look through the Book of Mirrors (http://www.abrahadabra.com/tableofcontents.htm). It will all make sense before you know it.

-Ibisis-

[Kain]

Very nice work Ibisis, I'm sure this will prove helpful!

Kain

[m1thr0s]

This is a very useful topic Ibisis...thanks for starting it. There are so many things I have not yet addressed and many of these are unfortunately of the more "beginning steps" variety. I suspect that the tetractys itself is still unclear to many as well as the logic behind the TwinStar. If that is the case, I would appreciate people just saying so. There is nothing in this model that cannot be explained in great detail, so if people are having any trouble at certain junctions, it is very useful for me to know that so I can prioritize those areas of explanation.

No one should be embarrassed to ask what they might think others might think as "stupid questions". As one of my favorite teachers used to say, the only stupid question is the one not asked... No one can be expected to intuit things they have little or no previous familiarity with.

One way of approaching questions that may seem difficult to ask is to think in terms of other people. If you don't "get" something, others probably don't get it as well. In this way, asking those questions is actually performing a kind of public service.

So bite the bullet, and ask it...:cool:

m1thr0s

[Sibylle]

I think that's a very good introduction, Ibisis.

[Radiant Star]

This has proven to be a useful introduction to me and I would be happy to see more explanatory threads from the experts among you.

Vibrating from A to Abrahadabra seems to do several things, it forces you to concentrate, provides a steady build up of power and focus. I think its "do what thou wilt" when you get to the complete word of power.

The walk down to A is peaceful and grounding.

This is one of the most helpful ways of building concentration and power that I have ever tried as a one session experience (rather than over the set number of days).

[m1thr0s]

I'm deleting the last 2 posts here as off-topic. We need to keep this one simple and direct as possible, pertaining to "Gateway" applications and approaches only...so not a lot of obscure tangents here, no matter how attracted to them you might be. This will only defeat the purpose of this thread.

PM me if this is not clear.

thanks,

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

This has proven to be a useful introduction to me and I would be happy to see more explanatory threads from the experts among you.

Vibrating from A to Abrahadabra seems to do several things, it forces you to concentrate, provides a steady build up of power and focus. I think its "do what thou wilt" when you get to the complete word of power.

The walk down to A is peaceful and grounding.

This is one of the most helpful ways of building concentration and power that I have ever tried as a one session experience (rather than over the set number of days).

I'm really happy to hear that! I would add something as regards 'do what thou wilt', which just occured to me today after you mentioned it, and is sparked by an observation m1thros once made.

Here is an application to the Tetractys:

Do
Do What
Do What Thou
Do What Thou Wilt

and HERE is an application to the Abrahadabra grid:

Do
Do What
Do What Thou
Do What Thou Wilt
Do What Thou Wilt Shall
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law


And there is more, though it gets advanced. Basically 'Love is the Law, Love Under Will', the ballancing response to the above, could easily be assigned to the Chakras, being a 7-word Phrase. You would start with 'Love' in Sahasrara, 'is' in Ajna, 'the' in Vissudhi, 'Law' in Anahatta, 'Love' again in Manipura, 'Under' in Svadisthana, and 'Will' in Muladhara. This is a pretty potent incantation when developed this way, I'd wager (a Potent Incantation ANYWAYS...)

Anyways, food for thought, and certainly for Thelemites...

-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

geez that's so weird...funny how you can forget stuff you know sometimes...
yeah, I love that little ditty. It can also be used in active mode as a weaving pattern through the TwinStar...
If that is not clear, I can put together a little graphic illustration...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

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[Okazaki Castle]

OK, how about the suggestion to run others' pyramidal grid formations, such as expressions of ABRAHDABARA, thru the pre-existing stone pyramids on Earth. You can do that as a visualization meditation. Put the 2D image of the grids into the pyramids, thru one face for exampe. Then give them the edict/directive to expand into three dimensions. Then sit back and just watch them move thru the pyramids' structure, changing and doing things.

Different pyramids do different things, but they're all just basically huge supercomputers. They connect in grids too.

You basically just tell them what problem you want solved, and they do it for you, the answer emerging into consciousness as the pyramid figures it out.

Again, this approach has the advantage of being good for lazy people who are good at meditating on something with detached clarity. Let it also be noted that Pythagoras, according to his own account, got much of his knowledge from Egyptian priests. It is to be expected that likewise those same priesthood hierarchies put a lot of thier knowledge into their pyramids. Which look like a three dimensional represntation of the tetractys in many ways some of them...

all the best,
Okazaki Castle.

[Anibis]

That's a neat idea, but sortof advanced. How would you recommend that someone 'get access' to Abrahadabra in the first place. Ie, so that they are confident enough that they 'get it' to try out these sorts of experiment? That is the point of this thread.
-Ibisis-

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, the above is for those with some sort of prior meditative or esoteric experience, yet with no or little formal knowledge of the ABRAHDABRA formula itself. This covers a large portion of the beginners looking into ABRAHADABRA for the first time I would contend. For absolute beginners in all fields esoteric to come into contact with ABRAHADABRA as a first point of contact with the field of esoterics/magic/spirtuality/alchemy is relatively rare I would posit.

As such, the above approach parleys past experience with consciousness work into direct experiential knowledge of ABRAHDABARA, using the Earth's pyramids as the gateway: meditating on pyramids, or focusing on them and seeing how it makes you feel and what arises in your awareness is not that far a departure from many of the methodolgies and techniques in use by a lot of esoteric schools, and as such present a plausible 'first step entry' approach for the somewhat experienced esoteric pratictioner who is, however, a relative novice where ABRAHADABRA is concerned.

As regards how I would introduce a novitiate into the ABRAHADABRA system in a more conceptual, or 'light side', ie intellectual way, so they can understand it conceptually and theoretically, that is a rather larger approach for one has to 'lead them by the hand' so to speak. Funnily enough, I was in fact setting up such an introduction to ABRAHADABRA, to be called 'Oazaki's Introduction to ABRAHADABRA' last night in my dream/projection work. I decided it would be best suited to a thread of its own, being quite a long post/approach and as such liable to derail the approach being taken here, which seems to focus on the geometrical approach more on the basis of tetractys and triangles/pyramids as far as I can tell. Truth to tell I'm not entirely sure yet what that thread will consist of: I don't fill in the gaps myself with the material I put out, just set up a starting point, take as the structural surroundings the already-existing and established state of mindgrid and currently-existing knowledge and understanding, and then get Mind-of-Brahm, or the collective unsconscious, to fill the gaps and details and logic chains in for me and then give them thru to me in a sort of 'channeled typing'. Then I see if it makes sense and I like it, adding what I think is necessary in process of transmission. So the long and the short of it is that I don't know yet and can't answer that question till later when I know what my position/approach there will be myself... *shrugs*

all the best,
Okazaki.

[fr.novumorganum]

thanks so much for this--i look foward to starting to integrate this into my practice. exactly what i needed.

[m1thr0s]

yeah...this reminds me of something a friend told me not too long ago. He indicated to me that a time comes when you are better off to train other teachers than to train students per se. At the time I thought he was talking nonsense. Suddenly I begin to see it. It's pretty cool actually...:yes:

Let-'er rip Ibisis...pretty neat stuff...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Thank you. Well there are so many directions to go in with this stuff, once you have the basic field generation process down. So far, I've mentioned the Twinstar, the ThothCount, and the Labyrinth. On my end of things there is the Abrahadabra Key, which keeps cropping up, and as well there is the process of setting up hexagrammatical fields. At this point though, our methods diverge, I think M1thr0s, so you will have to tutor in that regards, I'd say.

Lets start from where we left off. The student has learned to emanate and contract the Abrahadabra Grid, and they can sense the tetractys running through it. Note that we have worked with the grid pointing 'up'. this can also be tried with the grid pointing down. One way to manage this is to do the 22 stages with the upwards triad in the morning, and the 22 stages with the downwards triad in the evening. This way one ends up developing two concurrent cycles which lock together to form a hexagram.

Let us take an example. 'Frater. Biblios' decides to work the Abrahadabra formula over 22 days and nights. He follows the following pattern:


Day 1:

A

Night 1:

A

Day 2:

A
AB

Night 2:

AB
A

And so on until day 11:


A
AB
ABR
ABRA
ABRAH
ABRAHA
ABRAHAD
ABRAHADA
ABRAHADAB
ABRAHADABR
ABRAHADABRA

And night 11:

ABRAHADABRA
ABRAHADABR
ABRAHADAB
ABRAHADA
ABRAHAD
ABRAHA
ABRAH
ABRA
ABR
AB
A

The 11 step diminishment (retraction) process is the same idea with Day 12 looking like this:


A
AB
ABR
ABRA
ABRAH
ABRAHA
ABRAHAD
ABRAHADA
ABRAHADAB
ABRAHADABR

And night 12 like this:

ABRAHADABR
ABRAHADAB
ABRAHADA
ABRAHAD
ABRAHA
ABRAH
ABRA
ABR
AB
A


This happens until day 22: A and night 22: A. And then you are done. This operation is like the previous one, only with a decidedly more 'Tantric' slant. It essentially unifies the feminine and masculine currents, and opens the door to all sorts of advanced applications.

Another VERY key practice is that of the TwinStar. This site has many references to it, and M1thr0s has posted many a tutorial on the matter, I think.

I will describe it briefly here and then you can use the search feature to discover more.

Now that you are familiar with the tetractys, you'll need to number it. One way, is of course:

1
12
123
1234

or 1
23
456
7890
This is just in order of appearance if generating it from top to bottom, left to right. The Twinstar, however, is founded on the following arrangement, and its mirror. Learn them WELL. ('0' means '10')

1
64
809
2573


Okay. This is a 'Magic Triangle' of the numbers 1-10, such that all 3 sides of the triangle add up to the same sum: 17. In addition the three internal 'verticals' each add to 11: 6+5, 1+10, and 4+7.

As you will discover, this figure has some amazing properties, and is a rock solid energy circulation system which will enable you to emanate and circulate the Abrahadabra formula in a suprising way.

To practice, start with the Twinstar as described above (widdershins (counter-clockwise) order). Resonate 'A' in 1. Now resonate 'B' in 2, and 'R' in 3. NOW, instead of going right to 4, you connect back to the apex of the triad (in the tree of life, you are now activating Daath). Here you resonate 'A'. Okay, this should be clear: ABRA activates: 1,2,3 and *(in the same place as 1), forming a triangle. NOW you backtrack to 4 with 'H', 5 with A, 6 with D, 7 A, 8 B, 9 R and 10, A. you have just traced a pattern through the Twinstar, using the formula of Abrahadabra which has also activated the 10 sephiroth of the tree of life, ending with Malkuth, in the centre of the triangle. NOW you are halfway done. The next stage is to take the Twinstar and reverse it:

1
46
908
3752

Now, with your energy in 10, you 'Jump' it up to 1 again, and repeat the same procedure only this time in a diosil (clockwise) direction.

At the conclusion of this, you will have a potent Triangle of energy flows which looks like this (http://www.abrahadabra.com/). Hi there M1thr0s. This is the equivalent Twinstar operation to the emanation stage of the Abrahadabra which I mentioned above (even though it takes 22 steps to do it, this way). Next you may wish to try its reversal, that is, moving from 10 to 9 to 8 to 7 to 6 to 5 to 4 to * to 3 to 2 to 1. Leap down to 10, and do it running in the opposite direction, finally ending at the top. Teere you have it. The Abrahadabra introductory procedure applied to this very special figure. This is a very potent practive and I reccommend daily practice with it. Use your genius to devise applications. A path-working, the phrase 'Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law', etc....

To advance it further, you could do a 'day version' and a 'night version' as discussed above. Enjoy.

In order to properly fit it within a 22day order such that the first 11 days emanate the whole thing and the second 11 days retract it, the practice needs to be expedited somewhat. When you are comfortable with it, try running the widdershins and diosil currents silmultaneously. This means you work the Twinstar and it's Mirror at the same time, and have two 'beams' of energy circulating though the structure. Though this may seem a little tricky, it is not THAT hard, and the upshot is that you can generate the full Twinstar in only 11 stages, right alongside and in resonance with the classical method. Big Mojo, folks...

-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

I'm still not sure if the principle of the magickal triangle is really clear to people. It took me some time to really assimilate that and now it's pretty much core to a whole lot of stuff...not everything perhaps but almost...

Learning to weave energy patterns via numbers is very important. It trains your concentration away from characters and more towards energy itself, where a deeper insight into character is typically revealed. Numbers has the advantage of not being caked in any kind of archetypal debris of any kind, or is at the very least minimalized as much as it can be. Numbers also provides a kind of psychological fall-back point, since you are still free to integrate names and phrases at will but whenever these become muddled or problematic (as they sometimes do) you can always return to the numbers method as a way of reorienting things.

We have sort of lost track of the "intelligence" of numbers over time, in part because many modern languages no longer emphasize this aspect of number itself. We have, rather, adopted a purely utilitarian attitude towards numbers which can make it difficult to really appreciate the wisdom of antiquity which more often than not regarded numbers in a much more personal sort of way. Working with numbers as a tantric (or magickal) weaving technique helps greatly to reorient ourselves to these lost relationships...this "forgotten" knowledge and conversation... And you never lose the more utilitarian aspects of numbers in doing this...this is just an integral part of who and what they are. But it allows you to kick the whole language system up a few notches to where you are able to commune with numbers on a much wider range of frequencies.

Did you know that 6 has a wicked sense of humor? Well it does...and really ALL numbers bear certain personality characteristics. Why that is exactly is a matter for much discussion, but understanding that there is much more to numbers than their "clinical" applications is very important to the practising mystic/mage etc...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

The last post pertains more advanced discussion, and as such, I am moving it to a new thread, for the discussion of advanced work with Abrahadabra (I'll leave it up here too for now). Let us recount where this discussion has taken us. The Tetractys, The Grid, Emanation and Retraction, Upwards and Downwards Triads, and the Twinstar. I think, sincce this is a primer area, that M1thr0s is correct: we should discuss some principle figures; the Circle, the Triangle, & the Equal-armed Cross. Coming next...
-Ibisis

[MythMath]

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[Anibis]

You said it ALL MythMath! Next subject...
-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

Oh man...anybody have a copy of the Tao of Wow? I've been wanting to read that book for years...

m1thr0s

[Wezzard]

Greetings

I'm still trying to get my head around this practise. OK, so the Abrahadabra is essentially a cone superimposed vertically over the standing human figure ?
But to circambulate it as delineated above one has to trace it as horizontal ie. face east as '1', sw. as '2', nw. as '3', back east as '1' ? I'm not seeing how tracing it thus on terrafirma has any real relation to what is actually above ie. 'A1' is Kether, 'B2' @ Ajna ?

Is this the 3-5-3 Knell/Knocks of Ol'Crows' 'BigBlueBrick' (Book4) ? I stared athat for yrs with nothing more than a stagnant question mark, so thanks.

(Best site m1thr0s, the most erudite intellects amassed enforum yet.)

[Anibis]

Well, to start this has more to do with ABRAHADABRA as a stand-alone practice that anything Crowley himself proscribed. I have not envisioned it as a cone, although you could. The trouble is of course that Abrahadabra plays out flat into a triangle. You could certainly do it in a pyramid, with one Abra grid on each 'face', but as for a cone you would need to work out the details yourself. I suspect a spiral pattern might be involved... Here, for you edification, is a man juggling inside a giant inverted cone.

-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

danke Wezzard...nice to see you posting. I'm gonna let Ibisis or Kain or Dragon or whoever else wants to jump in help you out with this stuff right now cuz they all know their stuff and I am backed up to the gills with things that have to be attended to.

I'll check back later on though...

glad you found us!

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Greetings Wezzard, good to see you posting.

Well, actually most Body of Light maps I am aware of work through 2-dimensional projections upon the body. An example would be the Chakra system of Indian lore, whose meditations are described in a two dimensional frame. Mandalas also fall into this category. As previously stated, the Abrahadabra Grid is usually approached as an equilateral triangle but I guess appraoching it as a cone is equally if not more effective under proper personal utility.

A horizontal tracing is an interesting idea. However the original idea behind most similar maps is to allow a synchronicity to take place between the various key points of the physical body in different heights and the co-ordinates of the map/model we are employing (which parralel that in different reality planes, usually moving from the denser to the subtler as we go up the map and up the body).

I'm not seeing how tracing it thus on terrafirma has any real relation to what is actually above ie. 'A1' is Kether, 'B2' @ Ajna ? Could you be a bit more specific here?

Kain

[Wezzard]

The way I was understanding that diagram (1,46,908,3752) was as if standing in the centre of the '10', with the '1' directly in front; then to move forward half-step vibrating "A" with finger/Wand thrust-out and pull foot back to centre ('10'); turn 120 degrees deosil (SW if starting from East as '1'), foot forward again, vibrate "B" for '2'; spin to the 240th degree of your psyche/circle (NW)to '3' vibrating "R"; retract foot & spin back to face '1' once again vibbing "A" @ '1' by half-step frwd. Thus "ABRA"; and so on for the rest imaging the numbers as points around the circumference in the horizontal triangle you stand. By drawing a Penta. at each numeric/point you'd end up with 10= 2X5 = the so-called "TwinStar".
This is what I thought was being revealed.

Obviously this is an amalgamate from the LBRP; but misunderstood ?

[Kain]

The way I was understanding that diagram (1,46,908,3752) was as if standing in the centre of the '10', with the '1' directly in front; then to move forward half-step vibrating "A" with finger/Wand thrust-out and pull foot back to centre ('10'); turn 120 degrees deosil (SW if starting from East as '1'), foot forward again, vibrate "B" for '2'; spin to the 240th degree of your psyche/circle (NW)to '3' vibrating "R"; retract foot & spin back to face '1' once again vibbing "A" @ '1' by half-step frwd. Thus "ABRA"; and so on for the rest imaging the numbers as points around the circumference in the horizontal triangle you stand. By drawing a Penta. at each numeric/point you'd end up with 10= 2X5 = the so-called "TwinStar".
This is what I thought was being revealed.

Obviously this is an amalgamate from the LBRP; but misunderstood ?Well, I suppose there's plenty of room for improvisation although the process described is not like that at all. Doesn't have any significant resemblance with the LBRP either to my knowledge. What the diagram and basic meditations do reveal is a technique of working upon the Body of Light vertically, paralelled to the physical body of a standing or sitting practitioner, a technique similar to the meditations of other maps of the subtle body such as the chakras that I mentioned earlier, or the qabalistic Tree of Life. This (http://www.abrahadabra.com/coremeditation.numbers.htm) article might help you get a better idea of what is discussed. Also, for a portrayance of all the relevant images and articles, here (http://www.abrahadabra.com/tableofcontents.htm) is the table of contents.

Kain

[m1thr0s]

LBRP???

Nonsense. Abrahadabra is a much older magickal formula than any of the drivel laid out in the LBRP, though this stuff still has its merits in a more generic sort of way, so I am not challenging any of that. Ultimately, those who master those underscoring principles will also wind up having to confront their relative obsolescence and deal with that aggressively, and this is also an integrated part of becoming proficient at such a practise.

To understand Abrahadabra itself you will need to develop the habit of approaching it on its own terms, based upon its own internal characteristics...not as representative or reflective of any other magickal operation. I will assert this without apology and you will do as you will do...that is the way of things no matter what.

m1thr0s

[Wezzard]

(See I dislike stand-alone 'thank-yous' for refusing to mess withis forums' tight & clean informative look. So "ThankYou" once for all times, sound ingrateful ?).

But how deep down need the knife run ?
Can I then throw out the Tattwas too ? Or need we still face the Southern Tejas for eg. 'protection' ? No M1thrOs, I've not yet developed the habit; I don't want any stupid surprises afew moons down.

Now the fact the Formule calls for 4 Rotations withe last for grounding/centering is suggesting the irksome necessity of changing cardinal directions for each Pyramidal Face.

Can the Meditation be made supine ?

[m1thr0s]

As far as the TwinStar Meditation itself goes, this is essentially a figure-eight construction throughout owing to the nature of the mathematics involved. There's not much that can be done to alter that without disrupting the natural organization of that specific meditation...but that's just one facet of Abrahadabra itself...just one among untold thousands of viable possibilities.

So I think that some of us who are sort of already aware of that are having a tough time sorting out your confusion. There's a very strong tendency here to say, hey look...do what you like! do what works! do what doesn't work for that matter just to see what happens! I don't think anybody is trying to claim some sort of patent on Abrahadabra itself.

The TwinStar is what it is and I don't mean to demean that on any level at all but even this is flexible to some extent. I have no idea why you would need to change "cardinal directions at each pyramidal face"...I don't even know exactly what that means. I can tell you that I don't do that or have ever seen any need to do so, but I am not 100% clear on what you are trying to do. It sounds like you are trying to work out a ritual application of a fundamentally tantric operation. This can certainly be done but I don't have any personal need to do it...so I may not have the answers to your questions at all.

Experiment is the hallmark of magickal science in general. If you aren't experimenting with this stuff then I suppose it has become some kind of religion. I am an alchemist to the bone so I am not interested in canned conclusions of any kind. Things have to make sense from the ground up or I will typically chuck it on the rubbish heap and I really don't give a rat's ass who came up with it or how famous they might happen to be... Solomon is all his magickal glory doesn't impress me one damn whit and if push came to shove I really don't doubt that I could blow his antiquated ass right off the face of this earth with my own stuff...I know that because I have worked with it long enough to know that and I think that this is how it has to be for every practising magician everywhere really. Know Thyself, Do Thy Will, Declare Thy Law...that's how it works.

So that's where I am coming from at least...maybe it will help a little to know that.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Um....

What exactly am I supposed to be accomplishing with all of this? Why do I need to wait a whole day to do one chant? (I am assuming it allows for the planet's natural merkabah energy grid to clean up debris and changes, like putting out the trash and picking up the paper in the morning) Can I do it once a minute to speed things up?

It's not like I've ever needed much of a reason to do anything, but I am curious...

Ha, m1thr0s you always make me laugh...I'd pay to see you explode Solomon....

[m1thr0s]

Ha, m1thr0s you always make me laugh...I'd pay to see you explode Solomon....it'd make a great YouTube video...now all I have to do is figure out how to drag his oh-so-special ass before the camera...he can bring his damn angels if he wants to...my djinn just love angel meat...:yes:

m1thr0s

[Wezzard]

Have you ever conceived of Solomon@666 ?
Called the three-in-one viz. Sol-Om-On
Sol=6. (The Sun of course)
Om=6. (Sanskrit Solar-sound of creation)
On=6. (Egyptian equivilent supra.)

Just more old hat ?

[m1thr0s]

yeah...his name was his best trick...maybe I should be taking on his parents instead...anyway...this is all way off topic here.

m1thr0s

[Carbon Class Six]

I have a quick question...

I hope this hasn't been answered already but I have been doing as much reading as I can to figure this out, not to mention feeling it out for myself, but I still can't quite come to an understanding about the positioning.

I have tried projecting the lines to scale, moving the lines around me (which looks like the way to go), and doing both simultaneously. Projecting the lines seems to have a larger immediate impact because my "visual focus" is all straight forward. When I put myself inside these constructs, I feel it more as if it's building around me, but it's harder to keep in line, since how does one view a twinstar if looked upon edge on?

This is basically where I am running into a problem - Where do I "see" this happening? From my perspective in my head everything is going around me, but it's hard to look at myself from the front and see everything happening correctly in terms of widdershins & deiseil.

Actually the real problem occurs at this point and that has to do with widdershins vs. deiseil...if I push the lines around me I see widdershins as going left and if I view it head on widdershins is going right, so to speak. I have just been assuming the widdershins even though it "looks" like its going left as I push about my body.

It is especially confusing when moving vertically as in the last drop in grounding, where from my central visual the line doesn't seem to be moving at all...I generally have to just pull it up like a fishing line and feel when it's back.

I still need to do more reading on adding the trigrams into all of this so I'll probably be back to ask about that, but so far I don't get it.

Since I'm asking questions I want to see if I'm on the right track when it comes to moving the visualization/lines. I just thought of it in this post as "pushing" because that's how it feels to me. I generally think of it like I'm etching glass or melting metal with a blowtorch, but I get a distinct feel of pushing the lines into existence.

Before I started with this material my visualizations with say, the LBRP seemed to just be "lit up" instead of really reinforced in any way.

Thanks!

[m1thr0s]

This is basically where I am running into a problem - Where do I "see" this happening?If you are working internally, you should try to position yourself both a center to the circle and at the outer edge of the circle at the same time. If it is too hard to maintain both (it's ok to toggle initially but you want to maintain both evenly eventually) focus mainly on the point at center and don't try to look directly at your leylines as you build them...rather *feel* them through, which itself is a kind of seeing...

I still need to do more reading on adding the trigrams into all of this so I'll probably be back to ask about that, but so far I don't get it.Trigrams are built as a system of interlocking rings...*interlocking* only in the sense that we build 3 consecutive rings and lock that *trigram* down and then repeat that process 4 parts to the circle...you shouldn't worry about this yet...

I generally think of it like I'm etching glass or melting metal with a blowtorch, but I get a distinct feel of pushing the lines into existence.yes, your blowtorch example is correct...these lines are definitely *etched* in with a fire/spirit flame...

questions are a good thing...if you have them, others have them as well...let's try systematic steps and see how that works.

m1

[m1thr0s]

Have you ever conceived of Solomon@666 ?
Called the three-in-one viz. Sol-Om-On
Sol=6. (The Sun of course)
Om=6. (Sanskrit Solar-sound of creation)
On=6. (Egyptian equivilent supra.)

Just more old hat ?sorry Wezzard...in retrospect I probably came down too hard, too abrubtly on Solomonic parallels. I have no faith in any of that...in fact...I have no *faith* at all. Abrahadabra is stemming more from a Yogic tradition than a classical magickal one, building upon a certain physics that can all be validated from scratch as being anatomically aligned to the Body of Light as we know it...on as many levels as we know it across thousands of years of investigative history. It is a modern-day model of the traditional Adam Kadmon (http://www.kheper.net/involution/Primordial_Person.html) which can be validated logically and tested tantrically.

I view most forms of traditional magick extremely skeptically. They do not offer us anything legitimately rational and there is no way to validate them or invalidate them logically. Nor can validation through experience tell us anything we really need to know since it is ultimately impossible to translate that experience back into anything which can be tested. Any bible thumper knows how to manipulate this kind of pseudo-logic...if you wanna know the *truth* of it just pray to *god* and ask him! If he doesn't seem to be answering you, well, you obviously haven't prayed hard enough etc...

Abrahadabra enters into this whole discussion on an entirely different level. It has very little in common with traditional magickal systems. It is, at bottom, a theoretical physics specific to the Tree of Life that offers us the possibility of a radically enhanced control over the Tree of Life and related anatomical properties, including Chakras and Meridians and similar kinds of systems. There is some question as to whether it should be called *magickal* at all, save only that it is dealing in certain parameters traditionally dominated by so-called magic(k) here in the West.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

At some point a little bit of a leap of faith HAS enter the equation, there is simply no other way, come on m1thr0s I am sure you have had your moments...some faith set aside for risky moments has its place. If you don't take risks by using faith then where will you be? Nowhere! Everyone has made a leap of faith in their life from the very first step they tried to take.

"While you are being picky, someone will get ahead of you!"

"You get a hunch...that's it exactly!"

If science was completely logical it would be NOWHERE.

NOWHERE.

i m a g i n a t i o n

[MythMath]

There is some question as to whether it should be called *magickal* at all...

A rose by any other name... :p



(I agree with Naomi's last point...)

[m1thr0s]

All creative science follows certain *hunches* at intervals or it would not be creative at all but purely deductive reasoning...

Whatever *faith* Abrahadabra might require is no more than the *conscious* faith that something can be made to work that may happen to look impossible. I can't honestly regard that kind of faith as being the same as *blind faith* that requires no proofs of anything and builds upon nothing rational to begin with.

All art requires a certain amount of faith...life itself demands it so far as I know. This is not the same thing as a faith that slams the door on any rational evidence that may happen to contradict the terms of that same faith. There is faith that embraces knowledge and faith that clearly shuns it.

So if we are going to start defending faith, we'd better go the distance and recognize the different kinds of faith in play.

edit: I think we can begin by looking at the role of *responsibility* in faith. There is faith that assumes responsibility for its assertions and faith that abandons the attempt altogether. Faith requiring proof and faith disavowing it. A responsible faith acknowledges that some bona fide proof must eventually come forth qualifying it as *truth* and typically seeks diligently to ascertain where that proof may lie so that all people may recognize its truth. An irresponsible faith really doesn't give a rats ass about any of that and is typically willing to resort to violence and suppression to win its case. These two faiths simply are not and cannot be lumped together as the same thing since they are complete opposites in every conceivable way.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Different kinds of faith?

You mean ignorance and lack of imagination I guess, right?

In the Christian sense "keeping the faith" is said in regards to the tradition of Christianity based on the teachings of Jesus and the testimony of the apostles passed down from generation to generation. Why Jesus's teachings were so instrumental in converting many people to his point of view is beyond me, but it's that testimony and passion that ignites the faith of a great many people who are seeking forgiveness for the burdens imposed by morality. Islam similarily ignites other feelings - revenge and righteousness as well as justice I think...something Christianity already went through, in its youth.

I don't have morals. I don't need them to be quite ethical. I don't need some god to forgive me, so I don't need faith in Christianity. Some brances of Christianity are clearly bhakti style and generater bliss union but it is still restrictive.

I love brambles and weeds

Just because they use the word internally and liberally does not mean I cannot have faith in some people or some streams of consciousness that have not finished coagulating, however...I will give anything promising time to show itself true or not. It's a risk I am willing to take because the payoffs if it does work have almost always benefitted me greatly.

(abrahadabra for instance?) what a gamble...

[m1thr0s]

sure, Abrahadabra is a gamble. Life is a gamble last time I checked... I don't know where Xianity fits in to this discussion and I don't much want to go there...I know Xians who exhibit the knowledge-embracing faith and Xians who don't so I don't think it has anything to do with one's essential framework...it has more to do with truth itself I think and whether you are on the side of truth or ultimately against it.

The Catholic church once coined the phrase "Knowledge is the Enemy of Faith"...yet surely not all catholics endorse this crap since it is a clear affront to truth...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

That's fucking rediculous...knowledge is the friend of faith, i think, because it lets you know your faith was not misguided. I'll drop something like a rock if I find it's taking up too much time without confirmation of being true. That was the summary of everything I extracted from Chaos Magick. Freedom to explore and freedom to move on, I think.

It might have said "knowledge is the enemy of bullshit" I guess...

[m1thr0s]

Historically, the peddlars of "blind faith" have mainly utilized this doctrine as a means of committing horrendous atrocities over and over again...

and yet somehow people never seem to learn the lesson.

The war on Iraq is just the latest installment in the way this doctrine always proceeds...they weren't about to wait on any "proof" were they...it was never about truth of any kind yet people lined up right behind it like so many mindless dominoes...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Iraq can suck an egg for all I care, as can the U.S. populace..there's something else brewing...

[m1thr0s]

well, I don't share that opinion but it's unfortunately very overwhelming for most people...the problem is that all signs point to the most difficult of all possible solutions. The entire system needs to be shut down and rebooted and all the crap that has attached itself sheared completely off the plate...

and this is very unlikely to occur, as they very well know...

so hopefully this "something else brewing" is big enough to account for things like that.

I guess we won't have any way to know till it hits.

m1

[Naomi]

I had a relative who lived in the region of Afghanistan before it became the way it was today, torn by civil wars and later, the Taliban. I liked the general culture, it was really nice but perhaps civilization ruined it.

At some point the Taliban started defacing the ancient Buddhist monoliths on purpose, with cannons and that was it - I had it with the whole Middle Eastern crapfest and wished nothing but death and destruction on the whole area. So it didn't surprise me when the whole thing went up in smoke at the hands of the US. government. I'm either good at predicitions or in line with divine will, whatever that is...

but yeah, I don't like middle eastern Islamic culture, I don't care that they had their ass handed to them either...

I hate them as much as Christians when I'm in my blackest of moods....

They're all very small in the grand scheme of things, which is why I am looking at extinction records in the earth's history, beyond the general importance of everyday human concerns, I in fact have very little interest in what happens to humans in general.....that's a fact....Ningishzidda probably cares more than I do, so I guess that makes me DW in regards to my inclinations in my day to day affairs, also I don't like suffering. So my solution to that is to just have every human go extinct. Not in any stupid sort of sense but just you know - dissapear. It's absurd and it won't happen but I think that's what I would like to see.

So yeah I'm not in charge, lucky humans...i really like the Berber and Bedouins as an aside....their culture is being eaten up by the Islamic fearfest.

keif-keif ;)

[m1thr0s]

I think you are confusing people and ideologies naomi...

but all we have done is fuel the worst in all of that...we haven't handed them anything they haven't been dealt a thousand times before...it's the US that won't be able to maintain their equilibrium since it has now announced to the entire world that it is criminally insane.

and the world has noticed.

this thread isn't about politics though...let's steer back into topic or start a new one...

m1

[Naomi]

Yeah ok let me repost it....

[Naomi]

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=34549#post34549

[Carbon Class Six]

I thought I would re post this since the last one was pretty strange...when I speak like that I think I'm the only one that really understands it, lol...oh well

Good deal though I'm happy I'm on the right track...and I think I know what you mean by feeling the leylines while staying at center.
You responded to internal working so I have ask...how do you work this externally? I speak the mantric part out loud usually...but that's all I can really think of for an external formation.

[fr.novumorganum]

Projecting the lines into a mirror, or into the space around you.

(If you have experience with the LBRP, for example actually drawing the pents in the air, until eventually you don't just imagine them but 'see' them)

Also, as with any magickal system, it develops the more you work it. Pay attnetion to any added 'intuition' or 'hints' you suddenly notice/hear/think of etc. This system (like all real magick) will teach you.

Eventually the very idea of a dichotomy between inside and outside will fade away...