I would like to be rid of the "holy" spirit, and embrace the "horny" spirit

[BlackBlondStreaks]

I'm so damn tired of this ...

I was raised in church, and I still have these goody-too shoes roots inside of me, and I want to get the fuck rid of them and devote myself to having the horniness in me instead of the holiness.

Long story short, I'm sick of the fundamentalist bullshit that says that what I can do is sit around and think about what I cannot do. I'm at the point where I know my body and the bodies of other adults were put on this earth for complete pleasure. I'm not talking about manipulating anyone. I'm talking about getting in touch with, and being filled by, that divine energy of insatiable horniness. I want the spirits to descend on me and use me while I sleep, and use me as a conduit to spread the horniness through the world, opposite of how I've tried to spread the holiness. I was raised in a Christian school and this is complete hypocritical bullshit for me to go on pretending I don't want this life of tantalizing myself and others.

I want to dream of this, eat, sleep, breathe it. I want to help repressed people be free and walk out of their prison, but I want to come out of my prison first. One thing I'd like to do is invent this pleasure device called "The Chamber" that's been in my mind for some time now, which is basically sealed like a coffin, and you climb inside, and someone shuts the lid and snaps it shut, the lights go out on you, and all these pleasure devices get activated to pleasure your restrained body. There will be a unit model for women, and one unit model for men. Who knows, maybe even one for couples or groups

There's this hot fetish lover inside of me which I want to unleash, and I want to be a conduit for the horny spirit's electricity. I feel this energy and person hovering over me while I lie down, and it's trying to love on me, wrap around me and come in me, and I desire this. I lie there and meditate on him [her]. It is so warm and tingly all over my body. I want to do whatever to open the floodgates to let this take over.

Many people have contributed very negative things, like wars, etc. I want this to be my major contribution to the world, that just like Thomas Edison brought us tangible electricity, I want to bring this erotic electricity to adults all over the place. I know that whoever could receive it would love it as much as I have. It is so euphoric and addictive that you zone out and are engulfed by his consciousness. DAMN, it's so sweet and addictive to you.

I want this "holy" spirit in me no longer. I need some horny spirits to lie with me. I need to spread some love around and help this world be a calmer place through release and through the stopping of suppression and the stopping of repression.

This is a serious inquiry. I'm not trying to play a joke.

Stephen

[Aodh]

I'd say if you are seriously interested, your first step would be in doing something drastic to begin the shattering of those rusty nails.

If you find it hard to go to that level alone, perhaps you need to try some invocation or assumption of Godforms (with appropriate beings) and involve something to "loosen you up" so to speak, such as alcohol or some other such substances.

The only thing I would like to advise you of is if you really want to just go crazy with the wanton promiscuity, please use some form of protection. We don't need any more addition to the HIV epidemic in America. ;)

[BlackBlondStreaks]

oh, no ...

not trying to be promiscuous, just trying to help people out ... kinda like someone who helps others to awaken ... like a sex guru, I guess?

[Aodh]

Well THAT I can totally get behind.

This summer I introduced a lifelong prude to BDSM and related activities. He's considerably happier these days. ;)

I seem to bring out the sexual parts of people a good bit. Kind of an issue though when you want a romantic relationship that isn't JUST sex.

[BlackBlondStreaks]

Yeah, I want to bring the sexual electricity down, like Edison[?] did for lightning electricity. People need to loosen up

[Aodh]

Maybe you could start with some things like starting a fetish group in your area for discussion, gatherings, etc.

Stuff like that?

Try and gather people who share the goal and then together try setting up swinger's nights at a gathering place or something!

Start a discussion group on the importance of sexuality in daily life, write a book, start a newsletter, etc.!

[Ðanisty]

Sounds like fun! May I ask how old you are and how long you've been outside of the influence of religion? It sounds to me like you need to recreate yourself...craft yourself into what you want to be. Blasphemy is pretty fun and can be kind of useful in severing any remaining ties to your religious past. Are you an artist by chance? I found art to be a great way for me to focus on what I wanted. I'd tap into the darkest shit I could find in me and I'd make it permanent by putting it down on paper. I drew so many of these pictures when I was in high school that I got sent to the guidance counselor...lol. :laugh:

I imagine creative writing would have the same effect. Either way, I would say that you have to elevate the parts of yourself that you admire and systematically kill off the parts that are holding you back.

[m1thr0s]

BlackBlondStreaks - you seem to be so lucid about this! that's very cool...I don't know how you managed that but it's kind of unusual in itself. All I can think of is that many many people are in the same boat really but the problem is that they usually don't know how to change the channel. So if you want to do this...create some alternative "current" or whatever we might call it...you'll need to figure out what sort of "staging" will be necessary to reach others and open up this kind of natural human interactions...

I think it's very cool that you are onto this in as focused a way as you seem to be...I think you are right on the money really...there only remains the "how" to be sorted out... Maybe look into a few platform possibilities...Sex-Magick stuff...Taoist Alchemy...Tantricism generally...these ideas are not without their foundations and that's the whole point anyway, right? We are talking about real human nature and where that naturally wants to go...

You might even be surprized what really good (group) ritual magick itself can do...you have to get past all the religiousy who-haw and really go balls-to-the-wall with the art aspect...tell the whole story...the love of the god and the goddess etc...it can be really hot stuff done right...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I'd say showing up here at these forums,
especially at this particular point in time, is
a great first step on your erogenous journey...

Have fun... :p

[fr.novumorganum]

First, Franklin ( a sexual libertarian he was) did the little thingy with the lightning;).

Consider some undoing in the Reichian/Hyatt/Regardie path. They work with the same energies that sexual work does, and the feelings are often similar.

Solitary sexual work (intentional wanking) is also a good place to start. Create an intention to manifest these desires in your life, and then charge them.

If you engage in BDSM or fetish play, the first few times just swim in the feelings w/o magick. In and of itself fetish play unleases locked up feelings and is great for exploring the dark tunnels of one's consciousness. Once one gets familiar with it, BDSM/Fetish play is a very powerful addition to magiclk.

edit: i've been locked inside a sarcophogus (sp) by a mistress before...

[m1thr0s]

edit: i've been locked inside a sarcophogus (sp) by a mistress before...lol...somehow I didn't catch that line until about 30 seconds after I read it...it's hard to tell from your tone fr. novum if it was fun or if it left you scarred for life!!!

hopefully, the former...:p

m1thr0s

[BlackBlondStreaks]

I'm going into some fasting and prayer over the next few days. Say some hot prayers for me.

[fr.novumorganum]

lol...somehow I didn't catch that line until about 30 seconds after I read it...it's hard to tell from your tone fr. novum if it was fun or if it left you scarred for life!!!

hopefully, the former...:p

m1thr0s

oh it was fun. on the purely sexual side there were only two openings on the front door, a small slide ovver the mouth and one over the pelvic region...

on a magickal side, if one si familair with certain, *ahem*, initiations, well the possibilites speak for themselves.

but this has lead me to another thought; Uncle Al once said one could engage in sex magick without one's partner ever knowing one was operating. He has caught some flack for this, but my explorations in BDSM have confirmed this.

[Okazaki Castle]

Either way, I would say that you have to elevate the parts of yourself that you admire and systematically kill off the parts that are holding you back.

Yes!! I did and do that too! If you are in a system where you are evrything and everything is you, for All is One, then, if you kill parts of yourself, then we have 'As within, so without' and what and who you find distasteful externally also is killed, and physically dies, as a result of your own self-determination process. Yet are we not free to be who we want to be? If this has consequences then so be it!

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Paeony]

I don't think it matters what flavour ice cream you're partial too or what path of sex magick interests you - whether it be practices of sustaining orgasm, denying orgasm, karezza, Pascal, Crowley etc., for me one of the sustaining bottom lines is "Know Thyself". I think embracing the spirit of horniness is a great path to access this. And BDSM in particular an exceptional tool. Though there don't seem to be many combining sex magick/BDSM. Raven Kaldera springs most to mind.
Crowley copped flack from me for his concept of keeping a partner in the dark. I actually find the notion abhorrent and magickal abuse. Strong opinion but simply my own. I've experienced it and it's not pleasant. When not practising solo sex magick I feel one of the biggest factors is open and frank communication. As a thelemite I feel Crowley did Thelema a disservice in this regard. "Do what thou wilt...." does not stand without the codicil...Love etc. And if we define love from agape to praxis...well he doesn't garner my respect in this regard.
Besides I prefer a more gynocentric basis...lol.
93s
Mistress Paeony

[fr.novumorganum]

In standard partner to partner sex magick, and deeper role play I agree 100%. In some BDSM activities, however, I didn't see any hurt. And I should point out I am acting as the sub in what I speeak of.

For example, in my practice, I see being encased in rope or plastic bondage as strong asana work, which can lead to deep meditative work or pain gnosis. I f a mistress ties me up and leaves me in that state for a 1/2 hour, and I go into a deep trance, to her I am in subspace, while to me there is more going on. I don't see any disrespect here, but I am open to other thoughts.

Likewise with fetish object play. If the mistress presents me with the object of my fetish, well, that will again get me in subspace.....and *worship* of the fetish object is useful for very very very powerful and effective vessel charging of both sigils and talismans. I have performed sex magick, but it only seems like I was a very happy slave.

Perhaps I shoiuld have stated that I was only speaking of a few operations from the bottom.

Perhaps we could also use a seperate thread for this. Let me check.

[Amur]

There is another Holy Spirit, which I believe was what Christ intended in the first place. (This spirit is more playful and certainly unconditional in it's manners..) It's quite far from what the church promotes. Somehow the church with a bunch of other groups doesn't go hand-in-hand with sexual awareness and sexual progress. The easiest way to keep someone in shackles is to mess with it's sexuality and grab the balls. With this in regards I think it should be possible for everyone to explore their own sexuality to the fullest. The surrounding society should hold a proper view towards sexuality itself. Children have their sexual energy unified with them as a force with the whole. When they grow up and get the sexual-imprints from improper sources it comes troublesome.

You might want to check into how to use your perineum muscles and anal muscles to help propel the sexual-experience. You might also like to surf on the edge of orgasm and circulate that energy through the whole body, into every cell. When doing it a lengthy time it seems to rejuvenate the body. You might also like to try non-ejaculation, by doing it for some time and without coming at all you tighten all the muscles in the body for a duration of a time and then release the muscles letting the sexual energy flow through the whole body.

[Paeony]

Hi Fr. NovumOrganum,
(If I'm going OT or a separate thread which I didn't see has started - let me know, I can be dense with forums, not a regular participant! You got me in with your post!)
For me, if I found out you were using subspace like that without my knowledge or consent you would be dismissed or released from my service. You would have breached more than one of my cardinal rules - trust, honesty, communication. You don't feel your Mistress is entitled to such notions?
There are so many minefields here of labels and connotations - bottoming, only sexually submissive, fulltime submissive, sexual slave, 24/7 slave, so there is much room for misunderstanding and misterpretation.
But I'm a Mistress who is also a sex magickian and priestess so maybe my parameters are different than a non-magickal Mistress. But you know, somehow to me that still doesn't change what's going on underneath, for me.
My expectations are for full disclosure at any point in time and I'm very clear about that expectation.
There is also the other parameter of 'playtime' or a M/s relationship on a larger time scale. I'm sure there are some Mistresses who don't give a rat's what you do in or how you utilise subspace but does that change the need to know?
What does that disclosure signify, ultimately?
Respect.
And if you don't respect Mistress or Master as the case may be - why are you with them?
I would feel the same in a vanilla situation.
Just my thoughts on a host of implications!
93s
Mistress Paeony

[Ðanisty]

For example, in my practice, I see being encased in rope or plastic bondage as strong asana work, which can lead to deep meditative work or pain gnosis. I f a mistress ties me up and leaves me in that state for a 1/2 hour, and I go into a deep trance, to her I am in subspace, while to me there is more going on. I don't see any disrespect here, but I am open to other thoughts.I agree with you. What's wrong with gaining all you can from your experiences as long as it doesn't interfere with the mundane things that are going on around you? I do the same thing when I'm getting tattooed. I don't feel I should be obligated to tell my tattoo artist what I'm doing when I'm zoned out like that. It's really none of his business, in my opinion. He's getting paid for his work and I'm an easy customer.

[Naomi]

rofl! reminds me of the karasu.....

[ambercatgoddess]

Black Blonde Streaks i can understand how you are frustrated.I also understand where you are coming from.I think your idea is very cool and i would be interested to see where it goes.

[Anibis]

This is very old post... don't know if the member is gonna come back... Hopefully though...
-An-