Recieved Information

[fr.novumorganum]

I would like to start a discussion of “received information”. I’ll define this as information which is communicated to an individual from outside or below the conscious, every day mind. I strongly believe that one of the major purposes of magickal and transformative practice is to establish this circuit of communication with the *A*, where the integer stands for one’s definition of the “Other” in a big sense (HGA, aliens, spirits, the higher self, gods…) This communication is often the source of new or altered rituals or practice, new spirits, or insights of a spiritual or personal matter.

Although the end result of many workings, this experience is rarely mentioned in the books. I’d love to have a discussion about the nature/purpose/source of these experiences, or share war stories

[feranaja]

Would you consider dreams to fall into this category, fr.n?

fera

[fr.novumorganum]

Thanks for asking, as I originally meant to address that issue. Although dreams certainly have power and have long een a vehicle for transmission, the experience of received information is phenomonologically diiferent, so I'd like to keep a discussion of dreams in that forum.
:)

[Naomi]

I woke up from a dream into another dream one morning to find myself in a blue twilight colored version of my room, and very lucidly and sexually found myself straddling a giant black goat man with an intelligence that was not my own.

Yay

I didn't know what Baphomet was at the time nor was I remotely interested in Satanism. (In fact I wouldn't become interested in Satanism for a good couple of years, after reading M1thr0's work.) He had a head like the Baphomet but the body of a man except covered in hair and with black skin (not peachy colored like in some depictions of Pan)

This was definately Satan, I just "knew it" somehow, right thenand it made me very nervous. The energy coming off of the guy was extremely powerful and irresistable. After a few seconds of me panicking a little bit I heard a voice in my mind (from the goat man) saying "Calm down." followed by a wave of intense love. Then I hear the same voice go "Say you belong to me and I'll let you go." I resisted the idea at first. Then he said it again, impatiently. I could feel myself trying to climax yet there was another force holding me back (it felt fantastic, better than anything since then). Then after a few seconds I relented. The energy was way too strong to resist.

I remember after I shouted "Yes, I belong to you." the communication ended and I woke up at the tail end of an orgasm. (I do this in my sleep quite often, sometimes for no apparent dream reason)

So I looked around and thought "Wtf how did that happen?!! I just said I belong to Satan!" and I remember my stomache was killing me. The dream continued to disturb me for the rest of the week. Later I dismissed it and said to myself "Who cares." as it really wasn't a bad dream i just felt manipulated.

Now in retrospect I'm sure I know why it happened and what it achieved. So there you have it, one of my many weird stories...

Sometime after this incident (I have no reliable recollection of the amount of time) I had a beautiful huge white viper with glittering diamond skin appear in the bushes outside of my home (Again, one of those dream waking into a dream lucid visions) I approached it and it jumped towards my forehead and bit me there and dissapeared. Well, maybe it jumped in me. I woke up to that one with my entire spinal cord tingling like...well nothing I can compare it to. Felt great....weird, but great.

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

Going by the popularity of this thread it seems that "received information" is not as common in the broader occult community. The bulk of what I have posted here (http://current23.blogspot.com/), except for the quotes from various sources (I used those in an attempt to clarify for myself what it meant), was "received" to a certain extent but I prefer the safer term "inspired". I felt compelled to write it but I do attribute it to something bubbling from the subconscious. I don't have much of a clue as to what I was on about with any of it but a lot of that stuff has come to mean a great deal to me personally.

[Pagan39]

Going by the popularity of this thread it seems that "received information" is not as common in the broader occult community
I think 'received information'is a lot commoner than we know...its just that alot of us are reticent to discuss it.I have found personally that I had to face alot of flak when I talk about it,even with people who are at home with the subject,like occultists and psychics.They seem to fall into two camps,those who think you are a newage flake and those who are threatened in some way.'The I'm the psychic (read expert) around here' crowd.I find this forum refreshing different in that regard.
And who hasnt met the idiot who receives information from Metatron,Jesus,Edgar Cayce etc and then has to suffer their egotism.No one wants to be put in that camp.:eek:

[Pagan39]

The bulk of what I have posted...... was "received" to a certain extent but I prefer the safer term "inspired". I felt compelled to write it but I do attribute it to something bubbling from the subconscious.

Received as opposed to inspired...could you elaborate on that? How would you differentiate the two?

And something 'bubbling from the subconcious' as opposed to a separate 'entity' for want of a better word.

I think some clear distinctions need to be made in order to further explore the thread.And maybe a glossary......

Namaste

Pagan

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

Received as opposed to inspired...could you elaborate on that? How would you differentiate the two?I don't differentiate, hence my mentioning both in the same sentence. It's just a personal preference because I think "inspired" conveys the experience a little better. The word "inspire" has the same root as "spirit" and both mean or imply "breath", same as "pneuma", so I am not sure what is not understood by my use of "inspired". I am inspired by what I call the Sub-Circuit Symbiosis. This is refered to as the Holy Guardian Angel in magickal circles as most of you guys know. "Living information", or the pneuma, seems to be channelled through the subconscious (whatever that is). These are all just words and will never fully convey the experience to my satisfaction. I personally find my own "received" material ridiculously frustrating. In fact it downright pisses me off at times. It's incoherent but in some weird way speaks something to me in time.And something 'bubbling from the subconcious' as opposed to a separate 'entity' for want of a better word.There is nothing opposing there. I don't make the kinds of distinctions that you are trying to make. I think of what you are refering to along the lines of "psychoid phenomena" which is of it's own misunderstood nature, neither wholly mental nor wholly physical but some symbiosis between the two. Hence my calling it a sub-circuit. Some people have hinted at psychoid phenomena in this thread (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=609) without actually using the term that I can see.

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

I might mention here, for clarity, that I did in fact step right on over the edge a few months back so I may be completely insane or just a fucking genius now. :)

[Pagan39]

What is psychoid phenomena? Could you refer me to the reference material on it?
I'm not trying to make any distinctions,just trying to clarify what you wrote.
Namaste
Pagan

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

I think I did refer you... look at that thread. Most of what is being discussed there falls under the lable of "psychoid". Carl Jung used the term to refer to what seem like physical manifestations of archetypes. If you want more take a look at part 3 of this article (http://www.psychovision.ch/synw/pauli_parapsychology_p1.htm) or check out Stanislav Grof's ideas.

[m1thr0s]

I do a lot of "magickal mirror" work, or thangka-style tantric meditation work, if you prefer, talismatic etc...all projection stuff against one or another sigils, glyphs, artifacts, whatever. When I have built up enough of a charge, I might get all kinds of reception activity as a natural consequence of having raised the energy. And I am quite certain I have received messages just as I have interacted with godforms, wrestled with devils and all the rest at one point or another. But I have also noted that the less focused one is to begin with, the more liable one is to being played with. I have almost certainly shut more mouths than I have allowed to remain opened in my coursework. I run a tight ship...If they don't have anything really useful to say...they better keep their damn mouths shut or I absolutely will train my weapons on them in a heartbeat. Those weapons can kill and I believe they very probably have killed rather extensively within inner space at least.

The thing is...I actually do want good reception...I just want it to tow the line that I have set and not play some cat & mouse game with me in the position of the mouse. I don't make a very convincing mouse and I if I don't hit them first, one of my dark and deadly friends will surely do it for me...I just love introducing upshot demons to Ptah, for instance, one of the more polite of my associates, but unilaterally deadly.

I don't know if any of this is actually getting through. I think it's very important to be aware of just how volatile things can be if you are not fairly heavily fortified against the kinds of crap the mind will otherwise contract. Mothman crap...frothing devils masquerading as gods, hostile aliens, whatever...these mouthy shits walk a wide birth around me because if I detect them I slam them as hard as I can for the pure sport of it...and by now that is actually pretty damn hard. I've got an atom-splitter, man, and it can split atoms defensively just as easily as it can transmutationally. The reception I want is all about the work I am engaged in...that's what really matters...all the rest is bullshit in my opinion. I want to hear from Pythagoras or Nu Kua or Ningishzidda. I don't book crap from some cosmic debris who happens to think it's smarter than me. I think a lot of people have been damaged by receptions they probably should have quashed. The higher you soar, the more critical it is that you are the one in charge...of yourself at least. The magus must be feared up to a point...he cannot do his job correctly if he is not.

This lack of proper self-defense in the business of higher reception can do a great deal of damage. An open mind can be a very dangerous thing...all kinds of crap can move on in if you don't have a means to lay down the law and enforce it.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

that must have been very, very difficult. I have seen progressive schizophrenia take out people in the prime of their life and many others destroyed by drugs and war and all kinds of things really. Lived in an apartment where a guy hung himself because his voices told him to and he was otherwise so tormented by them that it actually seemed like a solution. Chemical imbalances in the brain are nothing to scoff at, though I don't really see where Lithium or other types of drugs have ever done much of anything but produce zombies. As an energy worker and one prone to pushing the limits of higher consciousness this is something I have had to confront on a regular basis.

For the mostpart I think we still don't have a very sophisticated approach to so-called insanity. We almost never treat it as a "normal" human condition so we have no strategies for how to deal with it on its own terms. We don't teach people how to use the condition itself to defend themselves properly...modern culture has no concept of that at all. We play avoidance games and denial games and when somebody does get hit by lightning, we isolate them and shuffle them off to statistical never-never land. All the while the condition spreads at alarming rates since we have created a world that maximizes physical meltdown on all levels and this isn't going away anytime soon.

And I don't really know to what extent what I am suggesting would work...it's never really been tried. But if it were up to me I'd take a lot of these folks and teach them how to use their "altered" brains to rebuild themselves from scratch...when the house is all in pieces anyway, that's about the only thing that makes any real sense. I have actually had good success teaching a few people the basics of aggressive psychic self-defense. It's always been very "unofficial" of course. A few people have turned to me as a last-ditch effort. I actually haven't lost a single patient yet. There's a lot of variables of course...diet and other things. You can't ignore the physical but you also should not ignore the power of human will. But it has to be properly encouraged and it has to be properly trained.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

attachment to phenomenum...we see this a lot. people glued to their little "edge" for better or for worse. some will manage to survive it, some won't.

It's a very difficult problem Pagan39. When I survey the landscape I don't really find any schools that teach real strength of purpose to my satisfaction. Most simply parrot things passed down through channels and pretend to know what they do not know in fact. Or perpetrate things that once had value and are no longer in tune with the world at this moment in time.

So many years ago I set my own course and have battled it out one step at a time...but even this is not well suited to most...most people need a little guidance...at least enough to be able to chart their own way with the proper skills in place. The mind is so full of tricks and there are so many ways to fall.

I begin to think I should establish my own school, since by now I do in fact have many things to teach. Yet I do not come from a recognizable "tradition" per se and I am no great respector of said traditions. But I understand magickal purpose and do have these things to teach. I also understand the mechanism of reception (since that is where this topic began) and can with tremendous confidence take on the responsibility of instructing people in the correct ways of expanding consciousness without falling prey to invasion.

Hard to say what the right course is sometimes. I am not one who much cares for the pomp and circumstance of the whole teaching role in general. And yet I so often see good people being damaged by the half-baked crap they learn in books or at the hands of unqualified and untested teachers. It makes my blood boil, yet I bide my time, and continue to plod the path I started. Lately I begin to think the time has come to raise a banner of strength in a world of fools and backwards standards of attainment...even if it only impacts a few...at least that few will go on in the light of this strength where everything around them disintegrates into broken shells and shadows...

but for now I think I am testing out the waters...I'll let the fates decide how it should be...I've no attachment to any preconceived course of action...including none at all.

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

Thanks for asking, as I originally meant to address that issue. Although dreams certainly have power and have long een a vehicle for transmission, the experience of received information is phenomonologically diiferent, so I'd like to keep a discussion of dreams in that forum.
:)Sorry to go back to here but what about receiving infomation in lucid dreams? Anotherwords I summon in my lucid dreams.. which gives me received infomation pretty quickly I think. I'm not sure if this counts though? Maybe you's could give a quick example of what you's do to get your received infomation or insights of a spiritual nature etc. Just so I can understand alittle more and catch up.

:)

[Pagan39]

When I survey the landscape I don't really find any schools that teach real strength of purpose to my satisfaction. Most simply parrot things passed down through channels and pretend to know what they do not know in fact. Or perpetrate things that once had value and are no longer in tune with the world at this moment in time.


I begin to think I should establish my own school, since by now I do in fact have many things to teach. Yet I do not come from a recognizable "tradition" per se and I am no great respector of said traditions. But I understand magickal purpose and do have these things to teach. I also understand the mechanism of reception (since that is where this topic began) and can with tremendous confidence take on the responsibility of instructing people in the correct ways of expanding consciousness without falling prey to invasion.

Hard to say what the right course is sometimes. I am not one who much cares for the pomp and circumstance of the whole teaching role in general. And yet I so often see good people being damaged by the half-baked crap they learn in books or at the hands of unqualified and untested teachers. Lately I begin to think the time has come to raise a banner of strength in a world of fools and backwards standards of attainment...

m1thr0s

I'm surprised you arent teaching or doing seminar work......the fact that you are psychologically sound enough not to need to be 'the teacher' in order to prop yourself up is a sound qualification in itself.
Certainly I can see a book in the works...I feel alot of magical tradition and practice is stuck in a cul-de-sac...in part due to the western mystery path being hijacked by the hebrew tradition.....thats only my opinion of course.
I totally agree with you about the schools perpetuating things that once had value and are no longer in tune with the world at this time.I'll let Nietzsche speak for me on that.
'I go new ways,a new speech has come to me;like all creators I have grown weary of the old tongues.My spirit no longer wants to walk on wornout soles.'
Namaste
Pagan

[m1thr0s]

I'm the original Hermit Pagan39, for better or for worse. For most of my life I never really got much indication from anybody that they gave a shit about any of my work one way or the next...so I have just sort of shrugged it off and kept on going...I'm smart enough to know when I'm onto something really powerful. If the world can't be bothered...oh well...some worlds make it, some don't has been my whole attitude on the matter really. You can't make people care about things anyway...

But as time progresses I begin to see a few more signs of life. Maybe I was just a little too ahead of the curve, I'm not sure. The main reason I started this site as a means of publication was because I figured that out of 6,565,321,176 people (at this writing), I might actually be able to find a couple dozen awake enough to feel the "hum" of these ideas...and they are probably scattered more or less evenly across the globe...nature tends to do that as a safety mechanism sort of thing...

Sounds pessimistic? I'm actually a realist...people themselves are a depressing lot...they don't need any special "push" from me. But all that aside, I begin to think there might be some point to doing something of the sort you indicate.

It's a little like why I don't do Tarot readings though. I'm one of the best natural readers I ever met...I've got great antennas...but people don't like my readings because they don't really want the truth in most cases and I never learned how to candy-coat shit to make them all warm and fuzzy...it's all just a biofeedback thing anyway...I let them tell me through the cards what's up with them and when I tell them what it all means they get all pale looking and crap...so I stopped doing readings...

So we'll see...I've got my eye on it. It would be a lot of work on my end and I have to be careful these days just how overextended I let myself get. I've done that my whole life and it never really got me anywhere materially...I need to at least break even or I just can't do it anymore. I'll just keep posting articles and such in that case...whatever works.

love the Nietzsche quote by the way...I'm down with that all the way...

m1thr0s

[Pagan39]

When you've got people jumping out of bed in the middle of the night to check something out about the twin/tree/life/star and others staying up all night to do a little work on it.....I think perhaps you are onto something....laugh
A book\DVD would most likely be the most time efficient along with a few articles for various magazines and of course the website which is already up.
Book'd be relatively easy....just grab your material from a few of the threads that cook....the mutational alchemy threads,Ng's stuff,magical theory and practices...find an editor and get them to help.Then its about marketing...just the thing a self confessed hermit would not want to hear.But the real stuff always builds by word of mouth anyway...the book Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance' being a case in point.
Yeah with the tarot readings most people just want what I call 'lollies' (candy)
enough to tantalize them but you are not allowed to confront them with anything too 'real' I took it up because too many of my clients 1)confused an astrology reading with a psychic reading 2)insulted all the work I put in by asking about boyfriends and other mundane crap.
I see the whole magical tradition up for another great leap....it reminds me of feminism in a way.....and astrology....there was an initial resurgence...golden dawn,OTO,waite,regardie,crowley etc...then it developed and settled....people have had time to think and meditate,research....time to take its place with the new developments in science,psychology and spirituality.
Sorry about getting of the thread...please feel free to move this.
Namaste
Pagan

[m1thr0s]

no...it was my fault I think...unexpected detour...didn't meant to hijack anything...

can't think of where to move it so I'll just shut the hell up now...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Before you move this threadtail, I just wanted to say that
Pagan39 and I (and others) are not intentionally conspiring when
we each prompt you to produce some physical documents (i.e. book/dvd)...

In case you haven't noticed, you have assembled some disciples...

We're here to help you assemble and formulate all of this...
{or at least proof-read it}

We're all set, let's do it... :yes:


MM

[Radiant Star]

Waiting...

[MythMath]

Hey, I'm not trying to give you an X complex on Xmas, or anything... :laugh:
________________________

I looked up the word and it fits:

{from: wiktionary}

Etymology
Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) discipulus (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discipulus), pupil (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pupil)

disciple

A person who learns from another, especially one who then teaches others.
An active follower (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/follower) or adherent (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/adherent) of someone, or some philosophy (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/philosophy) etc.

[Radiant Star]

The burning question is... are there twelve? or thirteen? :eek:

Now back on topic...

This is an interesting topic and an important one since it attracts all sorts of enquirers. Those that want to get information and those that look on with either intrigue or disbelief or even admonitions.

I think we all get information from outside the five senses, but it really does seem to be the recognizing of it that poses a struggle for many. It is this need for immediate proof that is so destructive to the cause. What is needed is detachment from this need and patience to wait and see what transpires from it. There are after all, only two outcomes: a) the information was innaccurate or b) it was reliable and useful.

This detachment, which may be what the lust of result saying is about, allows enough disinterest so that there is neither great disappointment nor over investment in any outcome.

For myself, I have had a great deal of reliable information that has at times surprized me. Things are not always what they seem and that is where its value lies.

One of my own ventures was to ask for some information for someone else, I get this from time to time, and occasionally, if its possibly within my capabilities, I might go for it. In this particular instance, I didn't feel confident about it, but I gave it a go just for the experience and was able to provide a good percentage of stuff that this guy was happy with. What I don't know is whether it was accurate since I have searched here and there and found nothing to back it up since that day.

This brings me to the question of whether 'received information' is fine as long as the receiver is happy with it or should it be completely verifiable?

[m1thr0s]

This brings me to the question of whether 'received information' is fine as long as the receiver is happy with it or should it be completely verifiable?maybe it depends on how that information needs to be applied but ultimately no information can be deemed to be accurate without having been verified in some way. so I don't think there's any escaping the need to validate information that needs to be correct in order to be useful.

reception isn't always about information though exactly...it can be about other things like acceptance or adjustment making up your mind or any number of subtler matters that do, in fact, have to feel right to be right.

It used to drive me crazy that the I Ching seemed to always be wrong about anything that involved money or the possibility of money until I finally came to terms with the fact that it doesn't ever really address things in the way I wanted them addressed in thoses instances. I would ask "will I get this job?" and get answers talking about inner truth or something totally disconnected. Or even worse I would get some answer that seemed to be a definitive yes! and then the job would fall through anyway. Eventually I just stopped asking those kinds of questions since the answer always seemed to be the same one...if it's meant to happen, it will happen...or on the flip side...if you make it happen, it will happen...how about, whatever happens, happens...whichever way you go, there you are...what you will is what you get...and so on ad infinitum...

One could argue that one just wasn't reading the answers correctly and set to work trying to improve one's batting average, or one could decide that it was pointless to persist in trying to extrapolate linear answers to circular sorts of questions...outcomes that actually boil down to will itself in some ways or patterns of change too turbulent or too fluid to call the shot from a distance. In a case like that I don't know that there is a right or wrong decision. I ultimately opted for the latter since, in the final analysis, I had a more important agenda to explore with the I Ching than answering these kinds of questions.

It is said that the I Ching cannot give a wrong answer, that it is impossible for it to do so, yet interpretations can certainly prove innacurate. Moreover I don't think a person's relationship to the oracle will be the same in all cases. My relationship to the I Ching turned out to be about something completely different than predicting future events, so my success in this area was never especially good. Someone else might experience a complete other results since their own relationship would be different to begin with. My own I Ching "reception" is actually very good, but it wasn't very good until I figured out which way to point it.

m1thr0s

[Pagan39]

Before you move this threadtail, I just wanted to say that
Pagan39 and I (and others) are not intentionally conspiring when
we each prompt you to produce some physical documents (i.e. book/dvd)...


MM

You mean I was a member of a conspiracy and I didnt even know it....now that is too out there...even David Icke couldnt see that coming....lol
Whats that shonky new age quote about once being an accident,twice being a coincidence and three times a......I forget that bit.....
and I dont want to give anyone an x complex...only because I dont know what it is.

[fr.novumorganum]

Sorry to go back to here but what about receiving infomation in lucid dreams? Anotherwords I summon in my lucid dreams.. which gives me received infomation pretty quickly I think. I'm not sure if this counts though? Maybe you's could give a quick example of what you's do to get your received infomation or insights of a spiritual nature etc. Just so I can understand alittle more and catch up.

:)

Sorry for the late reply. This thread seems best if focused on information recieved from a contact established with an inteligence of some sort. As a result of this contact, voices, visions, inspiration, automatic writing etc occurs.

Very happy with how this thread has taken off btw

[Pagan39]

This thread seems best if focused on information recieved from a contact established with an inteligence of some sort. As a result of this contact, voices, visions, inspiration, automatic writing etc occurs.

Very happy with how this thread has taken off btw

So it was my take that the messages Jung received from Philemon was as a separate 'intelligence'.As was Rose and Aleister Crowley's 'Aiwass'.Is this how its generally understood?

[fr.novumorganum]

Yes, I would agree, except that the source could also be a part of the brain/consciousness that has abstracted itself from the whole to appear seperate.

[Kuroyagi]

It's a little like why I don't do Tarot readings though. I'm one of the best natural readers I ever met...
A nice discussion and a good topic! This sentence really sums up some of my relation to received material or to visions in general. I obviously had had them all my life but didn’t think about them nor did I put any special attention to them cause I somehow took them for granted and suffered by being a strange person, or too sensitive or a bit weird or impulsive or however ones surroundings will call those things- yet at the same time also had benefits like premonition, some very high intuition or good ol' luck (or however people will call those things). Now a few years ago I found out that lots of things about me just make more sense when they are explained by this somehow dated model of visions. We have lost this form of shamanic/magical way of solving one anothers problems. Instead of saying: if that ghost pesters you imagine an astral club and concentrate your frustration into it while threatening it to go away- we say: ghost aren’t real, you need medicine, you are crazy, you need to be "analyzed" (how true, but…)….unfortunately such things aren’t helpful to one who has those problems- "I don’t give a damn whether they are real or not when I suffer under them."…

But returning to myself, I have somehow always taken this stuff very much for granted, -Of course I have seen them…I heard an interesting theory (by some occult author or psychologist?) that said: the less someone believes in "hokus-pokus" of that kind and the more "realistic" (consensus-reality) centred one is the more dramatic the rebound-effect of all he has turned away from will be. (look at Paulus and other life-shattering mystical experiences)…one friend of mine who knew of my interest in the occult confided in me that he had seen a ghost when he stayed at an old monastery and that it made him freak out and stuff; his interest is somehow much more sensationalist than mine and he was awed and afraid like so many. In contrast to this I personally don’t give a damn for some ghost (or the same as I give to any passer-by on the street), if anyone of them turns to me for help then maybe I would give it to them, or if they have some interesting things to say- then: fair enough. But an unusual form of communication or contact doesn’t excuse a banal content at all. Im very much with m1thr0s and pagan39 there: I get very very angry if some"thing" does that…be they human friends or some god. (not to understand me wrong: I enjoy casual conversation and fooling around too, but what I cant abide of is hubris (making yourself important) and hypocrisy! (clouding ones intent to beg for a boon or energy or whatever by wasting my time: so please ask me straight, and expect nothing: that’s how I operate- then the chance of getting something from me is greatest ;).)

[Naomi]

Heh heh here's another one. I have a whole library full of fun surprise stories.

But the goatman wasn't a boogeyman, he was wise, smart and friendly, and I liked him alot after I got over the initial shock. Boogeymen don't scare me. Things much bigger older and deadlier than me scare me...and I rarely meet new ones. He didn't come from MY head unless possible all of that goat milk my mom gave me when I was a baby seeped into my DNA like Spiderman.

So I was drifting off to sleep one night when something asked me to come with them and I said ok after I mentally asked a friend on the astral if this was a safe situation.

I find myself sitting with a beautiful girl (albeit bald, completely unhuman and with blackish purple eyes) who introduces herself to me as a Cassiopean. (I swear I really don't like alien crap and I had to look this one up the next day) anyways we are poring over all of this information and statistics and maps all while floating miles above the planet earth. And she's telling me all of their plans for some of the regions on the earth and I'm sort of nodding and commenting on things. I remember everything they said and I remember their technology was fabulous. I mean, I seriously want a laptop that has a display like that.

Anyways I went on google the next day (woke up with a huge stomache ache and felt like I hadn't slept all night) found cassiopea.org and go "THIS IS BULLSHIT!"

heh heh...

Anyways I want that laptop.

Ghosts are easy to recognize and usually dreams which have psychological significance feel like a part of you, and if you're honest with yourself you'll see the lesson there.

I dunno this thread is getting kind of boring like everyone is saying they're afraid of this or that or of going crazy.

If you're scared go to church!

If it's a good story it's worth telling....even if it is 'just a dream' if there's a chance it isn't it's worth telling, especially if it is suspect and unusual. For at least it's a good story.

I'm not really going to pick apart what the universe created because it's boring, useless and completely illogical in the long run because it has to be useful and it is sent by at least yourself.

Come on be brave now...

[Copuldaemon]

fr. nov. the only thing of significance I could relate in relation to this discussion is the visit of ghem that i had about 3 years ago in which i had posted on OF under my prior alias and everynow and then, I will get a visit from a demon but that's about it.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

In a nutshell, if I didn't invite it or create it, it's not likely to receive a warm welcome; and if it's part of the scenery at a certain location, I may or may not examine it, but such information is rarely of interest unless I'm actively looking for some object or information. I do instinctively pay more attention to signs and omens, though Im not overly interested generally, as I also "run a tight ship" (to quote m1thr0s). I can also turn it all off and wake up the next day as if I'd never dabbled in the occult at all, and allow other aspects of myself to take the reins for as long as may be necessary. Oh shit the sausages are burning...

[Naomi]

In a nutshell, if I didn't invite it or create it, it's not likely to receive a warm welcome

So if a neighbor dropped in to say hi, you'd turn them away? I love visitors, especially cute, pretty sparkly ones that just come to give a friendly nod to the people in the trenches...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

So if a neighbor dropped in to say hi, you'd turn them away? I love visitors, especially cute, pretty sparkly ones that just come to give a friendly nod to the people in the trenches...

I would indeed, especially the cute pretty sparkly ones! :yes:

[m1thr0s]

So if a neighbor dropped in to say hi, you'd turn them away?I think in my case at least I am pretty much open to any random or natural phenomena of any kind really. I just don't go out of my way to encourage things that have no real bearing on my actual practise. If it comes off as oppositional in any way, then I am obliged to test its metal...I owe that to myself and to the tools I work with really. What I have found is that very few things can handle the heat and that's ok with me...if they can't take the heat, they sure as hell don't belong in my kitchen...

But you know...even Tinkerbell is free to pop in without necessarily getting blasted right off the bat. If she comes at me fangs bared and claws extended she'll probably wind up dusted but I'm not going out of my way to terrorize anybody any more than I am going out of my way to invite them in... It's a little different when you have a fairly specific focus going on. This tends to make you not so keen on "dabbling" in everything that wiggles... But I've had a few very cool "surprize visits" on rare occasions, so I'm ok with that. Mostly things that come around need to have some sort of business with me or they aren't likely to get through my screens. That's just sort of how it is and if it gets a little lonely sometimes...it's also ferociously sane. So sane it's almost spooky even, which I need in order to take on really huge kinds of problems.

This is all about battle-mode though really. Some will get that and some won't. I had to take a lot of crap out at the knees just to reach level ground in this thing, let alone get seriously airborn. It's a little difficult to set all of that aside considering that it has been very successful in its own right. In general, any extremes...even successful ones...are still a handicap at some point.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

So if a neighbor dropped in to say hi, you'd turn them away?.

Animals are usually welcome, but they count as friends. If I was one of the Istari I'd definately be Radagast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radagast_%28Middle-earth%29)

[Little Billy]

I would like to start a discussion of “received information”. I’ll define this as information which is communicated to an individual from outside or below the conscious, every day mind. I strongly believe that one of the major purposes of magickal and transformative practice is to establish this circuit of communication with the *A*, where the integer stands for one’s definition of the “Other” in a big sense (HGA, aliens, spirits, the higher self, gods…) This communication is often the source of new or altered rituals or practice, new spirits, or insights of a spiritual or personal matter.

Although the end result of many workings, this experience is rarely mentioned in the books. I’d love to have a discussion about the nature/purpose/source of these experiences, or share war stories


Okay, question: How do you know this recieved information is accurate? How can you tell if whatever you're talking to isn't feeding you a line of crap, or manipulating you for its own ends?

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Okay, question: How do you know this recieved information is accurate? How can you tell if whatever you're talking to isn't feeding you a line of crap, or manipulating you for its own ends?

This depends on the information, where it's coming from, and who's receiving the information.

[Little Billy]

This depends on the information, where it's coming from, and who's receiving the information.


And that begs the question, how do you know who or what you are dealing with is actually who or what they say they are.

For example, what many "Christians" worship might not actually be Christ. It might be something we haven't even had nightmares about yet (after all, I doubt the Jesus of the new testament would tell Bush to invade Iraq). But people who do rotten crap sometimes say Jesus told them to.

So how can you tell that a given entity is who it says it is?

[Ci Celli Ddu]

And that begs the question, how do you know who or what you are dealing with is actually who or what they say they are.

For example, what many "Christians" worship might not actually be Christ. It might be something we haven't even had nightmares about yet (after all, I doubt the Jesus of the new testament would tell Bush to invade Iraq). But people who do rotten crap sometimes say Jesus told them to.

So how can you tell that a given entity is who it says it is?

Well if you've created the entity yourself you can be pretty sure of what it is. Otherwise it's up to your own discernment and terminology. We're not talking about religion founding beings that set fire to bushes and grow big beards here. Have you read through the thread?

[Little Billy]

Well if you've created the entity yourself you can be pretty sure of what it is. Otherwise it's up to your own discernment and terminology. We're not talking about religion founding beings that set fire to bushes and grow big beards here. Have you read through the thread?

Some of it. Now, could you please take the time to explain your second sentence? I am an utter noob on this subject, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

ETA: I was just using Christianity as an example.

[m1thr0s]

there are tests LB...some magicians use tests to validate their "subject's" authenticity but it isn't always necessary depending on how you have invoked/evoked whatever... There are different methods of dealing in these waters. One method is called "assuming the godform"...but it doesn't have to be a godform...it could be anybody...Pythagoras...Bugs Bunny...whatever. And again there are subtle tests but mostly in this kind of operation you are the one in control of the invokation from the outset and you are also the filter that these transmissions are going to be coming through. So that means you will usually know when you are pulling your own chain or not. In cases like this we are dealing with receptivity parameters and you are pretty much in the groove or you aren't. Your focus will usually be your guide in such cases. If I am trying to connect through Pythagoras but all I get is a bunch of Bugs Bunny routines I will know I am not paying good attention to what I am doing.

So it really does depend on a number of factors...but devising tests to verify a subject's authenticity is at least one way to approach things.

The problem with ANY tests however is whether or not to believe the results of the tests themselves. These can be faked. Where do you draw the line? Should you ask 20 questions or 100? Does passing a stupid test make a thing true? Sooner or later reality validation boils down to a personal judgment call no matter what. The surest guide in that case is to "Know Thyself", and that is really what many magicians will tend to rely upon the most. We might invoke the 3-fold Art of War standard here as well (1) Know Thyself (2) Know Thy Enemy (read Subject) (3) Know the Terrain...

But no matter which way you go, there will always be some element of risk involved...there's no "sure" deal with any of this. I don't really know that there is any "sure" deal in life, for that matter. Maybe death.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Some of it. Now, could you please take the time to explain your second sentence? I am an utter noob on this subject, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

ETA: I was just using Christianity as an example.

If the entity is not one of your own creation, and equally if it is one you have evoked, what it is and what it has to say (assuming it has something to say) is qualified by your own "reality tunnel" (to use Wilson's term). This is what I mean with discernment, though perception is an equaly viable word. By terminology I refer to the fact that there are a myriad of forms of magic, different frameworks, using different terminologies.
The entirety of this thread is a clear example of individual perceptions and reactions to those perceptions.

[Radiant Star]

Leaving aside all the overkill on attacks and spells and those kinds of evidential results, I know of at least a couple of magickians that aim to get information to fill in gaps in knowledge or to work on long term projects, often secret projects that you will rarely see discussed in books or online; these could be centred around anything really, ie: wanting to experience ritual as it would have been from a particular time in history.

Personally, I had no idea what I wanted to do with my practice, but I soon found that working with a certain collection of beings was helping me get to know myself, faults laid bare, strengths highlighted and so on.

Other kinds of information, upon polite request, have helped in sorting out problems with others, telling me things about them that have often prevented serious misunderstanding and enabled a more compassionate outlook. It also works the other way round too, when people are trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Most useful.

One interesting experience was when a fellow magickian asked me to see if I could find out a few things to help him out. I agreed and made contact and was told the most unbelievable nonsense, so I went back and apologized and said that my mission had not produced much. To my amazement, my friend was delighted with the little I had gleaned and to this day I am still puzzled by it. I have searched the internet high and low for these results to see if I can backtrack on the received information and have found nothing.

A similar thing happened last summer, another occultist wanted me to comment on a project he had been working on. I didn’t really understand the project, so I decided to cheat and ask some entities about it; they were very forthcoming and showed me an entire ritual, which was some kind of confirmation for him.

It is in these situations that received information is verified even though you may not quite trust it yourself. Though it seems over time you become more discerning and get a feel for good information.

[Little Billy]

there are tests LB...some magicians use tests to validate their "subject's" authenticity but it isn't always necessary depending on how you have invoked/evoked whatever...

If I am trying to connect through Pythagoras but all I get is a bunch of Bugs Bunny routines I will know I am not paying good attention to what I am doing.

So it really does depend on a number of factors...but devising tests to verify a subject's authenticity is at least one way to approach things.

But no matter which way you go, there will always be some element of risk involved...there's no "sure" deal with any of this. I don't really know that there is any "sure" deal in life, for that matter. Maybe death.

m1thr0s

1-3: That makes things much clearer. Thanks. The people I know are generally bliss ninnies (some exceptions), and spout on and on about how this is never a problem because everything you could possibly meet is some sort of "ascended being" that is above all that. Me? I think that if there ARE other dimensions, at least SOME of them probably look like South Tucson at 2AM.

4. Yep. But in most areas of life, one risk isn't getting your face eaten by some trans-dimensional soul-sucker.

[Little Billy]

It is in these situations that received information is verified even though you may not quite trust it yourself. Though it seems over time you become more discerning and get a feel for good information.


Yeah, I imagine so. I usually know when some scumbag is lying to me in everyday life.

Problem is, this is a whole new street for me. I think I'm gonna watch you guys for a long time before I try any of this stuff out.

[fr.novumorganum]

This depends on the information, where it's coming from, and who's receiving the information.

Hail Bob!

That's actually a very good, and very important question. I'd love to see a discussion of this in depth.

Traditionally, the most common method revolves around the various ways to test entities and information; the most common are testing by signs, symbolic interface, and testing by qabalah. Generally, the information can be taken more credibly the more the information, the symbols, and the numerology align.

Of course, skepticism in the primary tool here...

[Little Billy]

Hail Bob!

That's actually a very good, and very important question. I'd love to see a discussion of this in depth.

Traditionally, the most common method revolves around the various ways to test entities and information; the most common are testing by signs, symbolic interface, and testing by qabalah. Generally, the information can be taken more credibly the more the information, the symbols, and the numerology align.

Of course, skepticism in the primary tool here...

Absolutely. Skepticism is always the primary tool. I'm still not sure any of this stuff actually exists/occurs.

But, on the other hand, I find the philosophy behind it pretty cool (from what I've seen), just like I don't have to believe that some hippie from Nazareth walked on water to know that he said some things worth listening to (which, unfortunately, were immediately buried by some guy samed Paul of Tarsus).

[m1thr0s]

well...it should also be included that being able to attack as needed is an important deterrant as well...might even be the most important in some ways. You are much less likely to be toyed with if you have the capability of slamming the crap out of your would-be assailant or trickster. This is not unlike handling yourself in any potentially dangerous situation. Awareness itself is always your best defense on a minute-to-minute sort of basis, but being able to defend yourself if you should happen to get blind-sided is important as well...

m1thr0s

[Little Billy]

well...it should also be included that being able to attack as needed is an important deterrant as well...might even be the most important in some ways. You are much less likely to be toyed with if you have the capability of slamming the crap out of your would-be assailant or trickster. This is not unlike handling yourself in any potentially dangerous situation. Awareness itself is always your best defense on a minute-to-minute sort of basis, but being able to defend yourself if you should happen to get blind-sided is important as well...

m1thr0s


Oh, absolutely. I made that point in Lucian's thread.

And like I said there, you look like you can handle yourself, most people/entities/etc will find an easier target.

[Naomi]

I could just cry. This thread is supposed to be about cool stories and outside information, but instead all I see everytime the thread is bumped is:

"Omg"

"What if it isn't..."

"Are we all crazy?"

Doesn't anyone have a story instead of a boring disclaimer about the fact that it might all be in our heads?

I can't remember exactly all of the information I've recieved, but there have been significant turning points. Maybe we could all describe turning points in our life accompanied by a vision (in our heads or without is irrelevant) that corresponded with learning new and useful techs...

[Lucian]

Well, now that I think of it everything I know about who and what I am and my own cosmology is "received information".

I'm constantly being taught things, shown things, visited, warned, etc. I have about four journals worth of things like this.

Here's an early one:

When I was sixteen I met Leviathan.

The world was scorched, the earth blackened, the sky blood red. I was surrounded by the mountains I know so well, only now they were barren, desolate - nothing but gray stone and black earth and the empty red sky. Utterly devoid of life except me and... it. I saw it in one of the valleys, half buried in what looked like a dry lake bed or rock field - a monstrous, massive skeleton of a whale-like creature. Even though this corpse was ancient and its bones petrified, it lived. It's consciousness was still alive, and it send a stream of thoughts and impressions into my mind -

It was called Leviathan. It was ancient. Timeless. It had existed long before mankind and would continue to exist long after his extinction. Then Leviathan told me that there would soon come a time of great strife and misery when all Life would struggle to survive. It told me I must survive. It was imperative that I survive. I must do everything, anything I can to ensure that I survive this until Leviathan returned. It had been dormant for ages, but the time would soon come for it to return and it said I needed to survive until then. It showed me what it was seeing in our future and I wept in despair.

For some reason I never could remember exactly what Leviathan had shown me, or what would bring on this time of great misery or why I needed to make it through until Leviathan returned again or what would happen after it had returned. I woke up, said "That's odd" and went back to being a pissed off sixteen year old.

It was a pretty intense, intrusive "dream" though, so I never could forget it. I have a lot of questions about it that I know will never be answered, but I got that an intelligence as old as the universe itself if not older was telling me "Survive!". So, I said "Can do!" and started watching for chunks of falling sky.:eek:

Heh.

[m1thr0s]

Well, now that I think of it everything I know about who and what I am and my own cosmology is "received information".yeah, I agree with that...and I also don't much feel like going into all of it...

but that's an interesting dream Lucian...I can't imagine what a biblical sea-monster would have meant to a 16 year old girl. It would seem to have simply been the vehicle for that particular transmission...useful because it was stark enough to leave a lasting impression. I think the real question going on here is who the hell is actually speaking...and why...

the mind is so weird. I had a brief encounter with Aleister Crowley many years ago...actual audio hallucination and at that time I dismissed it because his voice was so high-pitched and cackly I figured it had to be some sort of distortion...I was high anyway at the time. It was probably about 12 or 13 years later I had occasion to actually hear his voice via some recording he had made that I found on the web. It was eerie to realize the voice was identical to the one I had heard in my head. No explanation for it of course...there almost never is with these things.

And he didn't really communicate anything of any value to anybody else...he made some approving comment on some kind of work I was doing at that time...can't even remember what it was now. I have no idea what the point of it was...I think maybe just to let me know there were people "out there" watching. Not that it's ever done me any actual good or anything...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

but that's an interesting dream Lucian...I can't imagine what a biblical sea-monster would have meant to a 16 year old girl. It would seem to have simply been the vehicle for that particular transmission...useful because it was stark enough to leave a lasting impression. I think the real question going on here is who the hell is actually speaking...and why...
Agreed. I think it's likely that the source of this transmission and most other transmissions I've received is the same thing I was talking about on my other selves thread.

At the time I dreamt this I was barely aware of any Leviathan myth. Leviathan was the name of a spaceship on 'Farscape' as far as I cared. It is interesting.

Velly intellestink.

I've been looking around at world events for hints of the dire circumstances on the scale of what was described to me and the only place I really find it is on websites run by hysterical conspiracy theorists. If "survive" was the only point to it, I have to wonder - why bother transmitting? My will to survive has always been strong. Seems pretty unnecessary.

:dunno:

lol - maybe it was just really really oppressive so that when Armageddon does hit I'll be like "Hey... this isn't so bad..." Or it will be over and I'll be saying "What... that was it?!?!"

lol
the mind is so weird. I had a brief encounter with Aleister Crowley many years ago...

What did he say?

[Little Billy]

Doesn't anyone have a story instead of a boring disclaimer about the fact that it might all be in our heads?


I certainly don't think it's all in our heads.

I was just questioning the source in general.

Sorry. :(

[m1thr0s]

What did he say?Honestly, it would make no sense to anyone but me because he was echoing something I myself had said. It was it's volume and the whole character of its voice that sort of stuck with me, which I immediately connected to Crowley and then thought...no way...that voice is too ridiculous...he even lisped, which I am now informed Crowley actually did do!

I have no idea what to make of it...like I said...it's never really done me any damn good. It's not like he's ever told me what lottery numbers to play or anything like that. We don't have conversations about Abrahadabra. We don't discuss what the f*ck went wrong with the OTO etc...nadda...

I suppose I could always use this as some sort of validation that I am really the illegitimate grandson of Uncle Al. Me and about 10,000 other dweebs out there who have entertained the same damn thought. So even this is completely useless.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I certainly don't think it's all in our heads.

I was just questioning the source in general.

Sorry. :(

Don't be. In fact, according to how I personally would define things, it is all in our heads, because that's where everything happens, magickal or not.

[fr.novumorganum]

Absolutely. Skepticism is always the primary tool. I'm still not sure any of this stuff actually exists/occurs.

But, on the other hand, I find the philosophy behind it pretty cool (from what I've seen), just like I don't have to believe that some hippie from Nazareth walked on water to know that he said some things worth listening to (which, unfortunately, were immediately buried by some guy samed Paul of Tarsus).

actually, i agree. sometimes i think this exists, sometimes i don't. i tend to pick the model that best works for the moment, as even 'objective reality' is itself just another construct.

IMHO Wilson's model in Cosmic Trigger is the most useful here in the weird sciences.

[fr.novumorganum]

I could just cry. This thread is supposed to be about cool stories and outside information, but instead all I see everytime the thread is bumped is:

"Omg"

"What if it isn't..."

"Are we all crazy?"

Doesn't anyone have a story instead of a boring disclaimer about the fact that it might all be in our heads?

I can't remember exactly all of the information I've recieved, but there have been significant turning points. Maybe we could all describe turning points in our life accompanied by a vision (in our heads or without is irrelevant) that corresponded with learning new and useful techs...

Well, one example that I can give is as follows:

I was doing extensive elemental working, basically to balance and create the pentagram below 5=6. I was doing all types of symbol meditations, and also contacting various elemental forms, all under the aegis of the relevant quadrant arch-angles from the LBRP. However, at the same time I was also dabbling in enochian, which now I can see was undermining my goal of elemental balance. In the middle of one meditation on the pentagram, my entire field of vision was filled with the brightest of bright lights--the light seemed to come from behind me, and an outline of the brightest angel I had ever seen (brigher than metatron) formed. I heard the clearest, most harmonious voice in my head say "close the path of enochian until after you have fully seen me". I guess I regesterd a 'huh' and it went on "you shall see me after the pentagram is complete around you" and "enochain elements are only for those who have mastered the lower". And it all ended just as quickly.

I'm convinced, or at least as one can be convinced in these things, that this was a vision/voice of my HGA.

[Little Billy]

actually, i agree. sometimes i think this exists, sometimes i don't. i tend to pick the model that best works for the moment, as even 'objective reality' is itself just another construct.


Until you smash your thumb with a hammer, for example. The objective reality is real as hell.

[fr.novumorganum]

what if I've numbed myself with around 1200mg of percs...

but a discussion of objective reality would better fit another thread---feel free to start one:coffee:

[Little Billy]

what if I've numbed myself with around 1200mg of percs...

but a discussion of objective reality would better fit another thread---feel free to start one:coffee:


...then objective reality will catch up with you in 8 hours. ;)

[fr.novumorganum]

besides this (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=10505&postcount=59) post I can say that I have recieved life altering information from Thoth on three seperate occasions.

I was working with him via invocation and devotional work, and I made contact. After that, he pretty much intruded into my BoL workings when ever he felt like it.

Each working was tested by number and symbol. Gods do not like being tested by sign.

I've also noted that each class of being 'sounds' and 'feels' different. Elementals are very different from angels; arch-angels are like a 1000watt bulb next to an angel; gods are like plugging into the god-damn power station.

In a nut shell:

1. He instructed me to use an ankh istead of a wand, and as my primary magickal tool.
2. He delievered a series of symbolic messages that directly lead to a secret center within me. Both quotes in my signature were part of the proof work of the message. (sorry can't share more right now).



ok, sorry for the x-stain imagery, but I think ole Mr. Cash got the feel of the thing right:

Well my goodness gracious let me tell you the news
My head's been wet with the midnight dew
I've been down on bended knee talkin' to the man from Galilee
He spoke to me in the voice so sweet
I thought I heard the shuffle of the angel's feet
He called my name and my heart stood still
When he said, "John go do My will!"

Go tell that long tongue liar
Go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down

[Fio Praeter Humanus]

I have been and am currently in contact with a number of angelic and otherwise non-physical beings which have taught me a host of useful and some not so useful tidbits, factoids, and various rites for different uses.

One interesting thing that comes to mind that I have never seen repeated anywhere pertains to good ol' Qabalah.

Everyone is used to the various Spheres having associated divine names but I was surprised to discover that the pillars themselves also have divine names that cover their energies as a whole.

Further more the pillars themselves have certain polarities for lack of a better word which are represented by certain hebrew letters. Hmmm less polarities and more one represents the potential and the other the manifestation.

[fr.novumorganum]

That is very interesting...I dont recall ever hearing that before. Are you able to share the names?

[Naomi]

2002

I woke up from a dream into another dream one morning to find myself in a blue twilight colored version of my room, and very lucidly and sexually found myself straddling a giant black goat man with an intelligence that was not my own.

Yay

I didn't know what Baphomet was at the time nor was I remotely interested in Satanism. (In fact I wouldn't become interested in Satanism for a good couple of years, after reading M1thr0's work.) He had a head like the Baphomet but the body of a man except covered in hair and with black skin (not peachy colored like in some depictions of Pan)

This was definately Satan, I just "knew it" somehow, right thenand it made me very nervous. The energy coming off of the guy was extremely powerful and irresistable. After a few seconds of me panicking a little bit I heard a voice in my mind (from the goat man) saying "Calm down." followed by a wave of intense love. Then I hear the same voice go "Say you belong to me and I'll let you go." I resisted the idea at first. Then he said it again, impatiently. I could feel myself trying to climax yet there was another force holding me back (it felt fantastic, better than anything since then). Then after a few seconds I relented. The energy was way too strong to resist.

I remember after I shouted "Yes, I belong to you." the communication ended and I woke up at the tail end of an orgasm. (I do this in my sleep quite often, sometimes for no apparent dream reason)

So I looked around and thought "Wtf how did that happen?!! I just said I belong to Satan!" and I remember my stomache was killing me. The dream continued to disturb me for the rest of the week. Later I dismissed it and said to myself "Who cares." as it really wasn't a bad dream i just felt manipulated.

Now in retrospect I'm sure I know why it happened and what it achieved. So there you have it, one of my many weird stories...

Oh about a month after this incident I had a beautiful huge white viper with glittering diamond skin appear in the bushes outside of my home (Again, one of those dream waking into a dream lucid visions) I approached it and it jumped towards my forehead and bit me there and dissapeared. Well, maybe it jumped in me. I woke up to that one with my entire spinal cord tingling like...well nothing I can compare it to. Felt great....weird, but great.

Since no one responded to tell me wtf this is, I want answers now....:mad:

Because I just got that feeling again, it's been 6 years now....this time I wasn't scared at all...I want to keep that feeling...

pretty please with sugar on top...Feranaja maybe? :yes:

thoughts: could have to do with massive amounts of white light being bombarded at me over past few days? something else? WHAT?!

[Okazaki Castle]

So you're having sex with Satan and it's, like, the best sex you've ever had and blows the top of your head off. What exactly did you need explaining about that scenario, like what it means or something?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

Let's establish this right now:

I did not have sex with Satan last night. ....:laugh::cool:... <3 Sebastian

In fact I was literally curled up in a ball on the floor of my shower for an hour or two... did this again into bed for the rest of the night...No bliss feeling or orgasm...

:coffee:

Having trouble finding words to convey the meaning.

Do you feel that thing where everything feels like it's connected? Like you're part of a computer? All tingly?

Sorry for being weird,

Naomi

[Kain]

Do you feel that thing where everything feels like it's connected? Like you're part of a computer? All tingly?Absolutely. So far I am following you completely...go on...

Kain

[Naomi]

<3 Kain!! Thank you for being so receptive!!!

Last Tuesday I wrote, in response to a question being asked:

"I don't know. In fact I can't remember a lot of what I have been writing here lately...like I'm split up. I feel weird."

For the past three 1/2 days I had been following a "lightworker" thread, just going with the flow of chaos pretty much. Felt like I was being turned on and off and on and off. Like someone was flipping a switch in my head (perhaps the lotus crown). Found one guy in the thread I could relate to and we seemed to be engaging on a deep level of communication, pure love and good vibes, etc, while everyone else was just scratching their heads at him (the well known and accepted healer/mystic) and me (the newcomer untrustworthy "souleater" as they dubbed me). Still with me?

As I engaged the lightworkers in conversation over the next 50 pages a cool vibe developed as I shared my experiences and perspectives, etc. watched as a more playful and positive vibe emerged from the mostly timid and muddled one...

It felt like we were "calibrating" an engine or something, and felt connected elsewhere to other places, and a sense of knowing what to do or where to go - how to talk to each other - and I felt not just intuition, but a drive to do things (like post to an abusive thread forum I normally avoid)

So then last night I felt the need to end it as I was recieving extreme hostility from an elderly couple (actually outsiders to the group) who told me to "get out and.... take Lucifer with me"...they had been doing this sort of thing for some time. Group dynamics was very split. Was glad to leave, and hit the "back to forum" thread, noticed the post count as I left the thread "4444" thought "hmmm nice combo".

Stood up as I hit the power off button on my computer and heard a ringing sound and a tingling/pressure on my crown chakra and felt presence of some sort of entity, high level entity within, as I walked into the kitchen for water (no concrete guesses on who it was it had wings though, or rather, I was sprouting wings, not one of my normal modes)

Then I went upstairs, crawled into bed, and I was hit with a pain in my hara, right in my navel and allover energy buzz. Then I started seeing all sorta of weird things (cool stuff though) like outerspace or symbols, don't remember all of them. Then I was thinking "Crap am I under attack or what?" but then I heard this voice in my head that told me to get in the shower. So I did and put the plug in and just laid there, just getting crazy visions and felt two thick energy...threads..I don't know what to call them reaching up out of my crown. Then started seeing outerspace tantra images, also gigantic goats in outerspace.

Also had tears flowing all during most of it but not all, seemed to be hitting in waves. After returning to bed I continued to have less intense stuff going on visually, then remember asking "Why is this happening" then I saw/remembered I had absorbed one of m1's mirrors, the one with the swirly background. So I wondered if that was it...

Pretty intense, not unpleasant though....

I feel sorta jittery this morning, my system cleaned itself out and had just a nibble to eat and some green tea...

Still feel the connectedness I think, not as intense (dissapointing) but lots of love and embracing everything from cosmic perspective though feel connected again to that perspective, and not just living by it.

Also tingly feeling feels like it could stretch out across the whole cosmos, not just a house or city....

bacci

Naomi Chan

[m1thr0s]

That's a lot of Crown activity Naomi...sounds like something is being reworked upstairs. You'll want to supplement that by doing whatever you can do to maintain a strong connectivity between Crown & Kingdom, using the Tree of Life language...the main thing being that you don't want that stuff siphened off or running off the map in any way. Centering & Grounding all of that will actually tend to return you to what may seem like a less spectacular energy status when what is really going on is that it is all being dispersed more evenly so you're not so "glued to the ceiling" as I call it...

Always remember your feet...they are as much a part of things as your head...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I seee.....very wise advice

will sleep now and use this...

N

[Kain]

That's great Naomi...that's some serious activity indeed. Very interesting. Things are getting re-wired as we speak, it seems. A most auspicious situation, and with a very conscious description too. <3 Kain!! Thank you for being so receptive!!! You're welcome, I'm glad to help and that you can describe your sensations to a sufficient degree so that intelligent and fitting advice can be given.

Stood up as I hit the power off button on my computer and heard a ringing sound and a tingling/pressure on my crown chakra and felt presence of some sort of entity, high level entity within, as I walked into the kitchen for water (no concrete guesses on who it was it had wings though, or rather, I was sprouting wings, not one of my normal modes)Most auspicious activity. In what direction was the sound heard? Also, can you recreate it in your head and if so can you break it down in letters perhaps? If you observe such internal sounds, they usually have a basic but important letter anatomy, usually two or three letters but sometimes more.
Then I went upstairs, crawled into bed, and I was hit with a pain in my hara, right in my navel and allover energy buzz. Then I started seeing all sorta of weird things (cool stuff though) like outerspace or symbols, don't remember all of them. Then I was thinking "Crap am I under attack or what?" but then I heard this voice in my head that told me to get in the shower. So I did and put the plug in and just laid there, just getting crazy visions and felt two thick energy...threads..I don't know what to call them reaching up out of my crown. Then started seeing outerspace tantra images, also gigantic goats in outerspace.Hmm...sounds like an all-around re-wiring process. The pain was most likely due to increased intensity of the local currents. It's funny that after such major re-wirings, one is extremely sensitive for one or two days, experiencing life in a constant semi-trance state, seeing visions and hearing sounds etc. . I would second m1thr0s's advice in balancing out Crown with Kingdom, just don't get too carried away and crystalize Crown too much. The upgrade experienced upstairs is trying to find a suitable way to integrate itself with the rest of the bodily vessel. Be relaxed and try to allow it to reach Kingdom successfully, infusing it with it's qualities but also providing you with stability.

Also had tears flowing all during most of it but not all, seemed to be hitting in waves. After returning to bed I continued to have less intense stuff going on visually, then remember asking "Why is this happening" then I saw/remembered I had absorbed one of m1's mirrors, the one with the swirly background. So I wondered if that was it...It could be, that mirror is quite powerful and actively influencial. It usually does hit in waves, and if it is so strong to induce tears they should be allowed to come freely. This usually also gets rid of certain blockages in the forhead, Ajna and nose area in a subtle context. Pretty intense, not unpleasant though....Yeah, pretty much. If you follow it all the way, once you hit the "other side" of the experience tunnel and successfully allow it to infuse your whole body, you will find a pleasant sensation of a different caliber, not previously attainable.

You also mentioned that you spent the time mostly curled up like a ball. That tendency exists, especially in the earlier periods, and allows for a hard and solid stability to meet the loftiness of the sensation. However, since integration (and thus dynamic balance) needs to be established, and not just a static equalizing of pressures, a more appropriate physical stance will allow it to be more easily infused in the rest of your body, and also reach Kingdom. I'd personal suggest the closest to a lotus posture you can comfortably assume, or something equally auspicious. Stance can be important in such experiences.

I feel sorta jittery this morning, my system cleaned itself out and had just a nibble to eat and some green tea...

Still feel the connectedness I think, not as intense (dissapointing) but lots of love and embracing everything from cosmic perspective though feel connected again to that perspective, and not just living by it.

Also tingly feeling feels like it could stretch out across the whole cosmos, not just a house or city....I know precicely the feeling and sensation. Very well described, well done. It sounds like a major re-wiring process. I'm very glad you get this sort of feedback, Naomi. Such feedback is often the hardest to describe to someone who does not directly experience it, but is also the basis of all high-level energy work, and the state of consciousness behind it.

If it resurfaces by itself, or you re-approach it consciously, try to have it naturally infuse you corporeally as well. This will allow it to maintain it's possitive characteristics while also giving you a more squarely placed state of mind to approach it from. Giving it a comfortable sense of volume...

Kain

[Naomi]

ah, owe you so much giri for this m1, advice worked great

In the first few minutes of the tree of life meditations heard a *ping* like a tight wire being plucked, quite distinctly and felt some of the enrgy shift into proper balance, followed after about 20 minutes by another similar sound.

As I slept I felt the light influx beginning to pool at my feet instead of seep about me like tentacles. Here are some random thoughts, for those curious

Mythmath saying "We are all scarabs waiting to unfold our wings"

(sorry MythMath don't know why you were in my dreams? :confused:)

also

"On grey rainy days at least there is more of a chance of getting struck by lightning"

Also sense that we are all connected, and in a dream I sat there floating above this grid of cells which represented people, and felt that no matter how hard I tried and how many I could awaken, it could never happen swiftly enough. Though there was an admonition from the grid itself to me:

"Please be patient while many of us try to find our place."

Maybe not spectacular, but what important to me is that I was able to consciously hang onto them, whereas before I would get this rush of great ideas and thoughts every night but not remember a bit when I woke up, and too lazy to write in my stack of dusty and blank journals.

I was also having problems with my energy burning at my throat chakra, I forgot Glenn Morris's admonitions in this: "Keep your tongue up!" so my tongue is up now too, creating a circuit. I look at a bronze cast of Bhairav on my front door everyday who is depicted with his tongue touching the roof of his mouth - yet I forgot this!!!

So at the end of it, I felt like i had gone from being:

http://images.neopets.com/items/blackmound.gif to http://images.neopets.com/items/fur_tree_ice.gif

Now I think I will go outside and garden for a while. I have a sudden and inexplicable desire to practice yoga hardcore too...:dull:

Naomi


EDit: Kain, lol you responded already! will read your response after garden duty, have to pace myself you guys are a hard act to follow...

[m1thr0s]

Throat = Daath. I have heard this report from others with respect to Abrahadabra. I haven't actually experienced it myself for some reason...possibly because I developed this whole system from the ground up so that things had a lot of time to acclimate. People coming upon it more or less complete are sort of going from battery power to nuclear power all at once. Since the lights don't usually come on right away anyway, and since I know that the system itself is very good at mediating these things internally, I haven't worried too much about it.

What has been reported to me in the past is like a very deep sore throat...more of an aching sensation. One thing to be aware of is that emotions can create this kind of thing. Moreover, the solution is to continue working with the whole Centering & Grounding practise and not take on too much more until things begin to even out of their own accord.

The centering & grounding method I outlined here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=781) really is a very good one...probably the best in my my whole "six-demon bag"... but in general, circles and triangles work very effectively no matter how you deploy them. You should attend to both directions to reap the greatest benefit...

Wow...this is kinda big Naomi...sounds like you are on your way to becoming an Abrahadabra energy worker! Powerful stuff...welcome to the big league my dear...there's a whole lot more where that came from...all things in their proper time and place...but not too "proper" (of course)...

And it's all highly customizable as well...none of us are carbon copies of each other or anything stupid like that...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

In the first few minutes of the tree of life meditations heard a *ping* like a tight wire being plucked, quite distinctly and felt some of the enrgy shift into proper balance, followed after about 20 minutes by another similar sound.Yes, that also ties with the rest of your experience very well. Letter anatomy by any chance? Did it feel "Rin..."-like or "Pin..."-like? High pitch, medium pitch? Sorry, I just love that stuff and I pay attention to it. The body is full with them at such experiences...

Very interesting quotes too...
Maybe not spectacular, but what important to me is that I was able to consciously hang onto them, whereas before I would get this rush of great ideas and thoughts every night but not remember a bit when I woke up, and too lazy to write in my stack of dusty and blank journals. This is also a very common enhancement, the conscious recollection of a lot more of what went on in that state. You know, a lot of beginners in meditation actually doze off during the experience. So it all has to do with our programming and in what altitudes have we become accustomed to remain conscious...over time, this sort of work hones one's abilities of directly feeling and perceiving loftier sutrroundings.
I was also having problems with my energy burning at my throat chakra, I forgot Glenn Morris's admonitions in this: "Keep your tongue up!" so my tongue is up now too, creating a circuit. I look at a bronze cast of Bhairav on my front door everyday who is depicted with his tongue touching the roof of his mouth - yet I forgot this!!! Try bringing your tongue all the way to the deepest part of your mouth's roof that it can reach, right at the entrance to the nasal channels. This is a powerful mudra for such occasions.

Also, the burning throat sensation is very serious buisness, it signifies self-redefinition in a big way, and in a "self-to-Self" change of priorities more importantly. It could be said that when realizing a major discord between ourselves and our Higher Genius, through coming into contact with the higher and appropriate value, the downward movement of manifestation of the Above innevitably violently relocates the Below. Thus the pain. It is microcosmic subtle anatomy Karmic action-reaction issues that bring this about, signifying a discord being slowly amended. A couple of years ago, I went through such a period so intensely I could hardly talk by the burning for a couple of days.
I have a sudden and inexplicable desire to practice yoga hardcore too...:dull:Actually, that's when I went overboard with yoga practice personally...after such an experience, so I certainly feel you Naomi. Judging from my experience at least, it was a most accurate choice for me and I never regreted it as the progress it brought was amazing and so 'to the point' with what I needed. EDit: Kain, lol you responded already! will read your response after garden duty, have to pace myself you guys are a hard act to follow...Added another response for you then...sure, whenever you find the appropriate time...

Kain

[Naomi]

Yes, auspiciously the back of my chair fell off a month ago so I have space now to sit in semi-lotus at my computer.

That's great Naomi...that's some serious activity indeed. Very interesting. Things are getting re-wired as we speak, it seems. A most auspicious situation, and with a very conscious description too. You're welcome, I'm glad to help and that you can describe your sensations to a sufficient degree so that intelligent and fitting advice can be given.

Most auspicious activity. In what direction was the sound heard? Also, can you recreate it in your head and if so can you break it down in letters perhaps? If you observe such internal sounds, they usually have a basic but important letter anatomy, usually two or three letters but sometimes more. [

Yes thank you for sharing your experience and time, it is greatly appreciated.

The sound was in or near my left side, and sounded like Iiiiiiiiiiiooooo (Japanese pronunciation guide)

Hmm...sounds like an all-around re-wiring process. The pain was most likely due to increased intensity of the local currents. It's funny that after such major re-wirings, one is extremely sensitive for one or two days, experiencing life in a constant semi-trance state, seeing visions and hearing sounds etc. . I would second m1thr0s's advice in balancing out Crown with Kingdom, just don't get too carried away and crystalize Crown too much. The upgrade experienced upstairs is trying to find a suitable way to integrate itself with the rest of the bodily vessel. Be relaxed and try to allow it to reach Kingdom successfully, infusing it with it's qualities but also providing you with stability. Great advice, I would have never thought of that on my own in time. :no: I feel like I have an edge this time now talking to you both. This sort of thing has happened three times before...is it supposed to be a repeat process or one that needs to be managed correctly to manage long term benefit?

It could be, that mirror is quite powerful and actively influencial. It usually does hit in waves, and if it is so strong to induce tears they should be allowed to come freely. This usually also gets rid of certain blockages in the forhead, Ajna and nose area in a subtle context. Yeah, pretty much. If you follow it all the way, once you hit the "other side" of the experience tunnel and successfully allow it to infuse your whole body, you will find a pleasant sensation of a different caliber, not previously attainable. After putting my tongue up, for an hour, my burning throat sensation is gone replaced by an intense feeling of burning sinus pressure and an allover cranium throbbing feeling. As I let energy flow into my third eye I can hear the ringing inside of my head again, though fainter. Then when the energy subsides, ringing dissapears...Huh, weird...


You also mentioned that you spent the time mostly curled up like a ball. That tendency exists, especially in the earlier periods, and allows for a hard and solid stability to meet the loftiness of the sensation. However, since integration (and thus dynamic balance) needs to be established, and not just a static equalizing of pressures, a more appropriate physical stance will allow it to be more easily infused in the rest of your body, and also reach Kingdom. I'd personal suggest the closest to a lotus posture you can comfortably assume, or something equally auspicious. Stance can be important in such experiences.
Yeah all night, and in fact, when I was napping with the tree of life meditations M1 mentioned, was curled up into a ball, then periodically I would wake up, and would stretch out a little bit at a time, until I felt like stretching out all of the way, then I got out of bed.


I know precicely the feeling and sensation. Very well described, well done. It sounds like a major re-wiring process. I'm very glad you get this sort of feedback, Naomi. Such feedback is often the hardest to describe to someone who does not directly experience it, but is also the basis of all high-level energy work, and the state of consciousness behind it.cool high five:tsmug: could not have done it without everyone's help, I am integrating posture now and it feels much better...


If it resurfaces by itself, or you re-approach it consciously, try to have it naturally infuse you corporeally as well. This will allow it to maintain it's possitive characteristics while also giving you a more squarely placed state of mind to approach it from. Giving it a comfortable sense of volume...

Note sure what you mean by this? DO you mean give it room...by corporeal you mean the fleshy body right, not the light body?

love and flesh eating dakinis,:coffee:

Naomi

edit: will add as I read above additions


Yes, that also ties with the rest of your experience very well. Letter anatomy by any chance? Did it feel "Rin..."-like or "Pin..."-like? High pitch, medium pitch? Sorry, I just love that stuff and I pay attention to it. The body is full with them at such experiences...

First one sounded like Pin, one was high pitch, second was medium pitch...

Very interesting quotes too...
This is also a very common enhancement, the conscious recollection of a lot more of what went on in that state. You know, a lot of beginners in meditation actually doze off during the experience. So it all has to do with our programming and in what altitudes have we become accustomed to remain conscious...over time, this sort of work hones one's abilities of directly feeling and perceiving loftier sutrroundings.
Try bringing your tongue all the way to the deepest part of your mouth's roof that it can reach, right at the entrance to the nasal channels. This is a powerful mudra for such occasions. Holding my tongue that way relieved some of the nasal pressure, also my appetite came back and so am cooking some vegetarian ma-po tofu. With fresh purple white garlic from China, I think this will help purify somewhat, doing the vegan thing for now.

Also, the burning throat sensation is very serious buisness, it signifies self-redefinition in a big way, and in a "self-to-Self" change of priorities more importantly. It could be said that when realizing a major discord between ourselves and our Higher Genius, through coming into contact with the higher and appropriate value, the downward movement of manifestation of the Above innevitably violently relocates the Below. Thus the pain. It is microcosmic subtle anatomy Karmic action-reaction issues that bring this about, signifying a discord being slowly amended. A couple of years ago, I went through such a period so intensely I could hardly talk by the burning for a couple of days.
Actually, that's when I went overboard with yoga practice personally...after such an experience, so I certainly feel you Naomi. Judging from my experience at least, it was a most accurate choice for me and I never regreted it as the progress it brought was amazing and so 'to the point' with what I needed. Added another response for you then...sure, whenever you find the appropriate time...Hmmm, fascinating. I can definately relay to this. Perhaps this is why I was attracted to the light worker thread inexplicably.

If I had to guess it would be a paradigm shift in light and dark within, played out in the context of the stories of Niguma and Sukkhasiddhi. In the living myth that was playing out on the forums, it felt like I was being forced into the role of Niguma "Cannabilisitc Flesh Eating Dakini" and the leader of the thread was playing the role of Sukkhasiddhi "She Who Posessesses The Skills of Great Bliss." as I used to actively practice Tibetan Chod so may have tapped into Niguma when I asked for the initial chod initiation a few years ago.

I hope I can discipline myself enough to begin yoga more actively, might be a while before I can actually afford lessons however. No matter, usually can find enough to get by on the internets...


m1 am looking over all techniques, funny somehow they all seem to be a bit more decypherable to me now...hopefully now I can stop asking so many stupid questions...

Thank you for all words of encouragement and support, it is making a big difference.

[Kain]

Yes, auspiciously the back of my chair fell off a month ago so I have space now to sit in semi-lotus at my computer.This will do I think...if not even a mat at the floor would do.
The sound was in or near my left side, and sounded like Iiiiiiiiiiiooooo (Japanese pronunciation guide) Very interesting. Any tendencies of it to fade into the background, like a nasalized ending perhaps? The "I" ones usually avoid this sort of behaviour, being too active to settle with a nasalized ending, but "O" is right at home with that, and it is connected with such experiences very strongly. You may find that in time the over-eagerness and pent-up activity of "I" will lessen, allowing for a nasalized ground to be established.

You may also find that over time it will move to the center, covering both of your sides equally. Perhaps even emanate from Crown, or Ajna, directly. For now, your left side seems largely dominant though.
This sort of thing has happened three times before...is it supposed to be a repeat process or one that needs to be managed correctly to manage long term benefit?A bit of both, I'd say. It is an essential step for conscious perception to be successfully expanded in subtler and loftier altitudes. You could think of it as a sort of inter-plane breathing process. Over time, one finds oneself in similar and familiar relations with what lies Above, awaiting to be infused in the Below. So it is a recurrent process, but it also becomes better and more accurate over time, as by conducting it over and over again the process is all the more *trained in* as an autonomous habit/function of your system. So it's never 'the same', and yet it is ever-recurrent. Present in various cycles of your processes, some infinitely small and largely unconscious, some readily perceptible, some so large and all-encompassing they seem imobile. Long term benefit is achieved through learning how to handle this sort of process though, even though they are always unique in a sense when they appear. Consciously training in the right way to handle such cases both frees your mind from directing them every time and also allows them to be conducted in the background, a prerequisite for maintaining uninterrupted awareness and concentration in really lofty surroundings.
After putting my tongue up, for an hour, my burning throat sensation is gone replaced by an intense feeling of burning sinus pressure and an allover cranium throbbing feeling. As I let energy flow into my third eye I can hear the ringing inside of my head again, though fainter. Then when the energy subsides, ringing dissapears...Huh, weird...It's a perfectly normal occurance I think. You're approaching it very well. You might also want to couple it with staring at the space between your eyebrows until your eyes begin to become tired, it usually helps with the procedure of conveying the charge to the Ajna area more directly and moving through the sinus area more freely, avoiding the lapse back at the throat chakra. Try to breath slowly and from the abdomen. As for the sound, that's quite perceptive. It is directly related with the charges moving around the area, and also fades with them. Over time, you may find it to become more distinct and profound in your sense-spectrum.

Note sure what you mean by this? DO you mean give it room...by corporeal you mean the fleshy body right, not the light body?Both. Even the light body is formulated, it is just so in a subtler context. Much like a thought or feeling is formulated and thus different from another, but still too subtle to be physically groped. What is entering your system is doing so in a manifesting fashion, moving from non-corporeality into form. This process occurs largely in a subtle level, and this means that what we could class as unmanifest charge/energy is coming down and manifesting in your subtle body's structure, and also your physical body. By aiding this manifestational process of the Above, you allow it to acquire volume, and slowly reform the Below in it's own image and assorted characteristics, thus finding it's match in *form*. All this is directly related with grounding and centering, and with allowing the input of Crown to reach Kingdom. It is a process that influences both the physical and subtle body, however the initial motivator is in neither, and could be termed "causal" and unmanifest. It's first sign of manifestation is usually indistinct light that bathes your subtle body and energises it, and a passively expanding sound, in my experience resembling "O" more than anything else, accompanied by a nasalized background.

In a nutshell, allow it to naturally manifest it's attributes in your subtle and physical vessel, imbuing them with those properties. love and flesh eating dakinis,:coffee:Lol...I will have both...

Kain

[Naomi]

This will do I think...if not even a mat at the floor would do.
Very interesting. Any tendencies of it to fade into the background, like a nasalized ending perhaps? The "I" ones usually avoid this sort of behaviour, being too active to settle with a nasalized ending, but "O" is right at home with that, and it is connected with such experiences very strongly. You may find that in time the over-eagerness and pent-up activity of "I" will lessen, allowing for a nasalized ground to be established.

No, but now the sound overall has seemed to just hover around me, after I did expansion it dissapeared and then came back as just a very light background noise above crown.

I am going to try those new exercises while building lego castles with my kids. bbl



:p

[Okazaki Castle]

This too shall pass. Then it leaves you with cool abilities. Check out the steel within now, the new colour, and how it turns and is composed of many fibres.

Threads of fate rewired and forged I guess... say if feels right, sounds very similar to how that process has been for some of the others I've talked to there.

Anyway, hope you ride it well and that it's not too painful and reasonably fun in its own way. Keep us updated on how it goes, we interested.

Personally what I really want to find out is what happens when this transitionary phase is over, ie how it leaves you changed and what tools / techniques / abilities come about for you as a result of that. I'm sure they'll be things like that with this for you... :D :cool:

So... what would happen if you internalized some of the rest of m1's mirrors?

all the best e bacci,
Oazaki

[Naomi]

Heeey Amadeus, great to see you over here. Abrahadabra has a unique constitution as you might find (both people and energy layers)

Feelings like water pretty much....energy after sundown has stopped pushing so much and begun to swirl around me like clouds, look forward to sleeping again to see what develops.Look at all of the wonderful aspects of Siva so willing to help, it is soooooo much connection and beauty not just love though, many different things...I wonder if some people think this is 'love'. If so, they have not read any Sappho. :laugh: I have not felt like this in a looong time...


Sebastian - purple, probably has everything to do with the cloak Cats is wearing....:yes:

went back to Vigyan Bhairav Tantra:

50.
Even remembering union,
Without the embrace,
Transformation.

[Naomi]

Yeah that's entirely cool...I see you do scalding water baths...

Greg wonders how I do it, but I don't know myself. Just can't stand to have the water temp at a tolerable level for anyone else...feels freezing to me.

I feel super ice cold today. I think I could walk on lava maybe...(ouch now that I think about it, maybe not) :dull:I have my heater on under my desk. Working with this though. I wonder what Kain knows about ice cold hands and heat endurance....:confused:

[MythMath]

Mythmath saying "We are all scarabs waiting to unfold our wings"

(sorry MythMath don't know why you were in my dreams? :confused:)



I was reading through the first few and the last few pages
of the lightworker thread late last night, and I was really thrown
by the weird, negative energy that erupted aroung pg. 48/49...

So I was thinking/feeling about you as my 'kid sister'
wishing that these people would stop attacking you...

But then I 'remembered' all of your formidible
powers, and I was convinced you'd fare well...

Granted this was all processed by
my '5am mind' (as Dragon calls it),
but it was very surreal and dreamlike...

One of the last things I did before logging off
was to briefly study Fr Yechidah's avatar, and I wondered,
"Are those 12 little scarabs? I'll ask him tomorrow..."

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Scarabs.jpg

:D MM :D
_________________

PS - Welcome Amadeus...

I don't think I'm understanding most of what you're typing...

Is it encrypted...?

[Amadeus]

Funny find myself thinking why site is constructed this way Quite pleasent thoughts.Seems assists construction ie. site knows best. Doenst censor what you put in but encourages the way you load it.

No sorry just settling into the surroundings. I will stop. ie stop talking about it.

[Amadeus]

Funny find myself thinking why site is constructed this way Quite pleasent thoughts.Seems assists construction ie. site knows best. Doenst censor what you put in but encourages the way you load it.

You have been in London three days now . It is appreciated. More I am grateful. Nobody has ever done that.Thank you.

[MythMath]

:confused:

[Amadeus]

:confused:

Hellow MythMath very pleased to meet you. My energies I have allowed to become femine and taken Noamies advise. Plunged into the depths. Nearly touched bottom fast. Stayed a while. Naomi quite right. Very good for me.. Thank you.




I am still getting used to being so feminine. Not sure how long I will stay feminine.

[m1thr0s]

Intro's belong in intro's people...nice to see new faces but this topic has a theme:
I would like to start a discussion of “received information”. I’ll define this as information which is communicated to an individual from outside or below the conscious, every day mind. I strongly believe that one of the major purposes of magickal and transformative practice is to establish this circuit of communication with the *A*, where the integer stands for one’s definition of the “Other” in a big sense (HGA, aliens, spirits, the higher self, gods…) This communication is often the source of new or altered rituals or practice, new spirits, or insights of a spiritual or personal matter.

Although the end result of many workings, this experience is rarely mentioned in the books. I’d love to have a discussion about the nature/purpose/source of these experiences, or share war stories.let's try not to hijack other people's threads...easy enough to start a new topic...:)

m1thr0s

[Amadeus]

Sorry m1thr0s point taken. Spirits, Higher self or Gods. I sure I can contribute.

[m1thr0s]

One of the interesting things I have observed about higher rungs of perception is that certain things will sort of start off with a bang (more like a supervolcanoe eruption actually) and then seem to peter out after awhile. Most recently this may have been real apparent for me when I hit onto Ningishzidda for instance...for a period of several weeks I was walking around in this haze with this constant sensation of the world about to blow up or something...intense urgency and lots of energy *surge* activity. And then *nothing*...everything just quieted down and fell back into routine.

But a difference had been established in my psyche that has persisted to the present and if I really scrutinize it I can tell that the rumblings are actually still going on...they've just evened out...spread out across my whole system so that these initial perceptions have now become integrated into my overall global perspective on things.

I have seen this happen many times in the course of my work. When I was younger it used to really throw me pretty hard. I've quit jobs over this kind of thing and everything...let whole opportunities hit the dirt in anticipation of some impending *thing* about to happen...and inevitably...nothing really ever did. For awhile it was difficult not to feel a little oppressed by all of this but I have finally come to recognize the pattern more or less for what it is...

Significant mutations of any kind are interpreted by our nervous systems as a kind of *crisis* as a rule. It's pretty much the only way the body knows how to interpret these kinds of things. god realization = a five-alarm fire, pretty much every time. As the dust begins to settle we may fall prey to the notion that we have been tricked in some way, but that's not usually the truth of it at all. Rather we have assumed the difference which has come into a seamless alliance with our psyches as a whole and is now become an integrated part of our sense of *normal* reality operations. It isn't until you have the opportunity to guage your state of mind against others who have yet to take these particular kinds of steps that you might even be able to clearly observe the difference that has occurred.

So I find that very intriguing and seems to be a regular feature of *accelerated* reception...when everything has gone as it should go I think...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

such wisdom

will watch for crisises....

[Amadeus]

Purpose.

The purpose of nature/god is to provide an enviroment which in itself creates a natural enviroment/reality sufficient in wonder that nature/god itself is comfortable/willing/wanting to surrender to/into it.

If you are nature/god the only goal is to allow your natural abilities the freedom to create something that eventually you are peacefull to view as eveything viewed you.

Nature/god always eventually surrenders willingly to its creation. It achieves peace and everything it has provided, is provide for it.

[Kain]

No, but now the sound overall has seemed to just hover around me, after I did expansion it dissapeared and then came back as just a very light background noise above crown.That sounds very good, you're approaching it very well so far I think.

I wonder what Kain knows about ice cold hands and heat endurance....Well, such redefinitional internal processes also bring about a series of mild side-effects as your body adjusts to the "shock" of change. Intense heat, intense cold in certain parts of the body, extreme lightness or heaviness etc. . The usual effects for me were extreme heat during the intense part of the experience and extreme cold, particularly around the hands and fingers, when the experience faded and "digestion" of the change begun. I don't see it as heat endurance but more like heat absorbance, there is a very unnatural feel of the cold which seems quite unwilling to go away no matter how much heat you provide it with...it seems to absorb it and retain it's coldness of temprature, at least as much as it can since that is physically not possible. So I think it is all natural side-effects of this change...you should try to not offer it heat, but try to get back to generating heat of your own. Allow the shocked flows to return to their work and to tend to your bodily needs of retaining internal balance. This will shorten the time of experienced temprature imbalance.

Kain

[Kain]

Amadeus, first of all welcome to Abrahadabra Forums.

I must ask you to try to more openly allow others to see the connection of your posts to the discussion at hand. A lot of what you write could be termed way off-topic. If this is not so and you consider your posts to be relevant, please try from now on to more directly relate your posts with the discussion at hand. Also, do not flood a thread with multiple posts before an answer can be given and refrain from quoting yourself.

Thank you for your co-operation. I hope you enjoy it here,

Kain

[Amadeus]

Very pleased to meet you Kain. Thank you for the welcome. You have my cooperation.

[Kain]

Thanks Amadeus...very good to have you with us. I hope you find the AF community helpful and constructive for your personal pursuits.

Kain

[Okazaki Castle]

Yeah that's entirely cool...I see you do scalding water baths...

Greg wonders how I do it, but I don't know myself. Just can't stand to have the water temp at a tolerable level for anyone else...feels freezing to me.



Hey, snap! I like really, really hot baths too. Then I sit in it medit