Lbrp

[YsetEternal]

When perfoming the LBRP are you likely to commune with one of the arch angels? if so which one seems to get priority most often and why.

I know when I perform the LBRP I usually commune most often with Uriel, as I am more rooted at this time in my life in the physical again...

Perhaps this thread will lead to others on the LBRP which in my opinion is a great ritual, it serves its purpose well and can be performed in the blink of an eye if done enough...

[Aodh]

I've never actually communed with the archangels during an LBRP casting; in fact, most times I don't even really feel as if they show up.

I think I need to put my acting skills to the test and finally memorize the damn thing completely, and maybe then I'll have better results.

I always seem to raise a bunch of energy doing it, and not much else.

[YsetEternal]

I've never actually communed with the archangels during an LBRP casting; in fact, most times I don't even really feel as if they show up.

I think I need to put my acting skills to the test and finally memorize the damn thing completely, and maybe then I'll have better results.

I always seem to raise a bunch of energy doing it, and not much else.


It took a while for me to see them as well, and its not so much acting skill as it is practicing your visualization techniques, at least thats what it came down to for me.

remember there is always one step, and then another. ( somewhat vague I know )

Sometimes they still dont physically or psychically appear, though the knowledge they are there is enough for me.

[feranaja]

Gabriel. My next puppy is going to be named Gabriel.

but not usually during the LBRP, Im with Aodh on that one, this is more active imagination as I see it...

[Aodh]

Well when I referenced acting skills, I was talking about skills I've picked up from acting- like memorization skills. The biggest problem I've had with GD rituals is memorizing all the blocking and phrasing in them. I've recently begun doing my owns elf-made rituals using things like elemental pentagrams and specific mantras but I memorize them much easier than I can the well-known GD ones.

I think maybe I should do some more research behind why each thing is done the way it is and maybe that'll boost my ability to memorize the actions.

[YsetEternal]

I think that will help...

as for it being more active imagination, I have to say yes and no to a point on that one.

At first it was all that way for me, then things started falling into place easier and visualization came instantaneous which isnt bad, though the energy built in the performance of the ritual is real.

Its funny, when I commune with Uriel, he tends to get his point accross (at least to me) with facial expressions when Im able to see him... And some of them are absolutely what you wouldnt expect... Thats why I tend to agree to a point about it being a bit of imagination as well...

[fr.novumorganum]

Yes, I have communicated with all for of these 'angels". I speak with them all, and I wouldn't clarify in terms of one speaking more than the other, just in terms of the nature of the chats, which has a lot to do with the nature of the entity. Raphael, howver, for me at elast, seems to always be hinting that he holds all the keys to my particular doors at this moment.

I've always strongly felt the LBRP is the place to begin establishing contact with entities...not just becasue this ritual offers a design. for that but b/c of the nature of the info they ahve to give.

break down the LBRp in a theoretical ay one has sparkplugs for lots of invocatory and evocatory work.

[Radiant Star]

I am always glad I learned this ritual. I probably don't fully understand it even now, but it is versatile and forgiving and I need that with a memory like mine lol

The LBRP and LIRP for me is a place of responsibility; we stand at the centre and take full responsibility for who we are, what we call and anything we do within it. I have found it to be a place where, if I am open to it, I can communicate with Archangels, either separately or by going to each direction and individually invoking each one with the appropriate elemental direction - its a group conference if you like.

It has been in this group situation that it was made known that I would lose a loved one; that I first met my dragon and many other things like being shown who were the adepts or at least more advanced practitioners if I needed to ask for guidance as a beginner in magick.

This group setting has also been a place where I have been shown aspects of myself and shed many tears too.

It was within this ritual setting that before I knew anything very much at all that I was given tools and shown a space that I later found I could make into my own personal work temple.

Such a great ritual.

[hitman777]

Probably Raphael, though I plan on hopefully establishing much greater contact with Michael.

[Sibylle]

Uriel. But I don't do the LBRP anymore. While it was good for discipline and learning, it was one of those things where I was following instructions. I had to alter things to make it work for me, and be beneficial.

Here's an interesting link on the subject of the angels: http://www.jhom.com/topics/angels/talmud_fourangels.htm

[m1thr0s]

I actually NEVER did the LBRP personally...I studied it and didn't like the religiousy overtones...so I extrapolated it's principles and applied them in another context...one that suited me better...

I'm not saying that's necessarily right for everybody but I never regretted it myself...

but then...for me...hexagrams are "entities"...so I am dealing in a whole other class of angels I guess...though I think maybe "aeons" is a better description actually...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I actually NEVER did the LBRP personally...I studied it and didn't like the religiousy overtones...so I extrapolated it's principles and applied them in another context...one that suited me better...

I'm not saying that's necessarily right for everybody but I never regretted it myself...

but then...for me...hexagrams are "entities"...so I am dealing in a whole other class of angels I guess...though I think maybe "aeons" is a better description actually...

m1thr0sMe too actually...I built a less "religious" variation of it very soon after studying it, one that fit better with my personal approach and intense weight put on weaving/energy manipulation. I guess it all depends on the individual practitioner in question though, like many things do in this field.

Kain

[m1thr0s]

I hope I didn't put a damper on this discussion though...my feeling is that people will have different reactions to nearly everything under the sun. Something that seems too "religiousy" to me may not seem that way at all to the next person. I can live with that because I am not really interested in a world full of people who all have exactly the same ideas at exactly the same time anyway...

I only really brought it up because it was a way I dealt with the LBRP in general that, in my case at least, seems to have worked. I have often found that it is very possible to extract principles from one modality and place them into another...particularly when going from a ritual magick context to a tantric one and vice-versa...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

I did actually do it, as well as the LRH and the middle pillar rituals. It was very invigorating... BUT, it didn't suit my take on things spiritually, so, like Kain and M1thr0s I started to develop my own taylor made ritual. Many were so bloody elaborate it took forever to do them. Nothing has ever made me 'shine' quite like those GD rituals, then again, I do not regret the choice to personalize, since I think it has taken my farther than an orthodox method could...
-Ibisis

[Radiant Star]

I also was a bit put off by the religious sounding aspects, but over time the way I understand some of these concepts has changed and rather than picking out little bits and pieces that I wasn't so comfortable with, I tried to get into the principle behind the ritual and attend to my reason for using it and the results.

Though I did read in Lisiewski something about not being able to completely shed oneself of our history and that we might have to incorporate or accept some parts of that and carry them with us into our magickal life.