Waking up the Kings and Queens of the Earth

[Okazaki Castle]

the slaves shall serve. we have discussed this before. they actually serve already anyhow...they just don't think of it as slavery and they are serving all the wrong masters...that's what has to change.


Yeah, I recall... it's just that I can't quite see how this one will be brought to pass - whereas normally, ie with most things, I see a clear 'strategic path to destination'. When I don't see such a path clearly, for me it usually means that there's some pieces left to place, some things to figure out still. *shrugs* I guess this is prbbly one of those areas which you've got figured out from beforehand in some way, certainly it seems like you're sure about this side of things... so I'll just trust you and leave it to your past workings or w/e. Still don't fully understand it tho... A mystery/surprise for me there I guess :D

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

It's not my job to dampen your enthusiasm Oazaki...heaven forbid. We each of us has to do whatever we think is best. My whole thing is geared to "ignition" as I have said before...the Kings of Earth are already here...the Secret Chiefs are all about us...sleepwalking as it were but in the saddle nevertheless...my whole thing is figuring out how to wake them up and empower them as befits their rank. Then things automatically get very interesting...

Cuz they're plenty pissed off already...I know they are...that's why most of them are here at all...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Man, and I thought I was the Awakaner!! I am sooo glad I'm spared that task, I actually found it really damn annoying. Kewlness, that means I can ignore most people then, which has always been my preference. And, come to think of it, is sorta where my life's been going anyway these last few years, what with Inner Circles to restrict access, becoming more demanding and less sociable with the mediocrities, and so on...

The Kings of The Earth and The Secret Chiefs sound cool. It'd be fun to get them up, running and awake, wreaking thier havoc. Then we'd also have more cool, interesting, worthy people to hang with. Let me know if I can help you with that in any way, if you want any such help that is...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Pagan39]

My whole thing is geared to "ignition" as I have said before...the Kings of Earth are already here...the Secret Chiefs are all about us...sleepwalking as it were but in the saddle nevertheless...my whole thing is figuring out how to wake them up and empower them as befits their rank. Then things automatically get very interesting...

Cuz they're plenty pissed off already...I know they are...that's why most of them are here at all...

m1thr0s

Now this is fascinating! I would really like to know more about this subject if you wouldn't mind...
Namaste
Pagan

[m1thr0s]

we need a different thread for this particular shop-talk...this is getting WAY off the beaten path here and it's an important topic...

m1thr0s

[Pagan39]

OK...so what are you going to call the thread and where is it going to go?I would like very much to follow this thread.
Regards
Pagan

[hitman777]

Not to intrude, but maybe the best way to wake up the Kings is to attack them, meaning, to forcibly rip their masks off and make them look at themselves, appreciate what they really are, and come to terms with the crazy shit they have at their disposal.

[m1thr0s]

Not to intrude, but maybe the best way to wake up the Kings is to attack them, meaning, to forcibly rip their masks off and make them look at themselves, appreciate what they really are, and come to terms with the crazy shit they have at their disposal.There are many ways to shatter illusions. The most effective ways have to do with advancing real solutions.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

I personally kinda like hitman's solution. Maybe we could run that thru thru the abra grids as part of thier mind-control usage? Wd certainly be fast, which is kinda a favourite property of mine in all areas except one, obviously...

Oaz.

[m1thr0s]

this all just sounds like a fettish to me to tell you the truth. I prefer to bust heads with recognition itself wherever possible. It's hard for me to imagine getting in people's faces with something they just flat out don't understand. Better to open up those pathways and let nature take its course in my opinion. I have no idea what kind of attack you guys have in mind but you will do what you have to do I guess. Can't say it makes any sense to me though...

Now...for the last time...take all of this to another thread please....

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

OK, thx and 'pologies for the intrusion. Will bear in mind your advice/position in terms of my motion there then :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Anibis]

Mind control, mind control, mind control... Silly really. Much better to gain self control... I believe the business about 'kings of the earth', is better read in the metaphoric vein than the prophetic. Same with this business about whose mystical 'role' is whose. Who gives a shit? The world is suffering with all sorts of problems that effect all of us (which are actually FUN to go about solving). Let's pool our geniuses to finding innovate solutions that advance the actual narrative rather than mucking around with poetic thought as if it was 'truth'... The 'kings' of the earth... Okay, then, just appeal to people's centre of consciousness. Address and deal with people respectfully, that ought to awaken the 'kings'... Anyhow. Killing and attacking the kings to evoke their glory? Well you'd be hard pressed to compete with the crap that's poured into the human subconscious as we speak, or the lamentable fact that we are in a terribly tedious 'perpetual war', wage on precisely these folks. Pissing them off is NOT the best way to wake people up. Also, if they are truly kings, they will eat you for breakast lunch and dinner. I know Crowley was all for the ethics of agression, and Nietzsche before hime, but, frankly, Fred and Al's Aesthetics are questionable at best. The idea of Peace may not be as titilating as the idea of War, but the reality of peace is a hell of alot better... lets sublimate our psychoses, and create artworks...

Okay, there's my rant. In the next day or so, I'll make a new thread and move these posts into it. How does 'Waking up the Kings (and Queens) of the Earth' sound for a title? Cheers;
-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

wow. an entire post I agree with! sounds good to me Ibisis...
the real war in this world is against Restriction and Ignorance...not even the people who advance these things so much. They are a statistical constant. They have to be dealt with but they are most resolutely dealt with by removing the props they depend upon...

m1thr0s

[silentjohn]

Ho! Narrative advancement!

[Anibis]

Glad you like that one, sj, its a bit of a mantra for me. Stuck in a rut? Advance narrative... Works wonders...
-Ibisis

[silentjohn]

Glad you like that one, sj, its a bit of a mantra for me. Stuck in a rut? Advance narrative... Works wonders...
-Ibisis

Biggups, respek - Ibisis in da hoouusse... \x/estside, wah gwan!
:thuh:

[Anibis]

I have move this material from 'Mutational Alchemy in a Nutshell' into a new thread (this one). Cheers;
-Ibisis

[Okazaki Castle]

Ho! A new thread that I didn't even start!! I like that sort of stuff, save work for me, nice move Ibisis!

all da best,
Okazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

On this Im standing between the positions that Ibisis and hitman have brought fourth: I agree with later that attack is a very good method for understanding a thing, and I unfortunately use it too often myself. Why "unfortunately": Because its often not too effective. Sometimes you overdo it and crush something precious.

About the general ethics-thing Im with Ibisis, though I would like to put a bit less reality in the mix, like take the earth kings more literal as Oazaki does.

Its not clear to me what you meant by the term though: more secret adepts controlling earth or more lords of the nether regions. Generally speaking the earth kings or underworld lords are all very wise, they are philosophers of the first water to begin with and we should take them as an example. The question of who will serve is irrelevant- a children's question-, it has to be and will be answered ex post: those who in comparison turn out to be inferior or slaves will be- but to be frank: I myself do not want to be it like that, yet personal excellence and transcendence, progress and depth in the study of my art is what I aim for.

[Pagan39]

I too,like Oazaki and Kuroyagi,like to take the earth kings,queens and secret chiefs more literally.I believe many of them are 'sleeping' and only waiting for someone/something or actively trying to tear the veils of 'sleep' away to be awakened fully.I was wondering if anyone had read anything that is a reference for acknowledging that they (might) exist and how to recognise them.

[m1thr0s]

There are actually many references scattered all about...peppered through fairy tales and heroic epics and mystical and magickal classics. The idea is hardly new...it's been with us from the very beginning...

Lesser leaders fear this principle and they fear it greatly. It's the thing that brings their bully-bullshit down every time and they have never managed to second-guess it correctly, because it adapts to changing circumstances. This ability to spring from noplace...this element of surprize...is the hallmark of its legacy...it is its claim to fame.

m1thr0s

[hitman777]

Wow. Seems like I pissed a couple people off awhile back suggesting aggressive tactics in this situation.
Sorry, people, but that's just how I see it! I understand your position, though.

[m1thr0s]

well...you didn't piss me off at least hitman777...what's the point of thinking if you are afraid to look in all possible directions.

I just happen to think that methodology has too many holes in it to really work out. On the other hand, it's never really been executed from the vantage of the Magus himself (that I know of). It's not like I haven't considered it and I am still not sure it might not be the most efficient way to proceed. But without a legitimate Ipsissimus at the healm, you are just pushing another half-baked aristocracy in my view...

m1thr0s

[Pagan39]

My whole thing is geared to "ignition" as I have said before...the Kings of Earth are already here...the Secret Chiefs are all about us...sleepwalking as it were but in the saddle nevertheless...my whole thing is figuring out how to wake them up and empower them as befits their rank. Then things automatically get very interesting...

Cuz they're plenty pissed off already...I know they are...that's why most of them are here at all...

m1thr0s

This is a topic that you have obviously put much thought into.My thoughts are geared to ignition as well.I was interested in the "how"of it.Would you mind sharing your ideas on it?
And how do you know they are pissed off? There is an interesting story in that,I'm sure.
Pagan

[m1thr0s]

And how do you know they are pissed off? There is an interesting story in that, I'm sure.The short answer is: "The King and the Land are One"...

They cannot not be pissed off...an anger that runs deeper than marrow and has plotted its revenge from the foundations of time itself. But there is the Law to be equilibrated and the Harvest itself can only be achieved within a fairly strict parameters. The time is now in my view...sure, every generation has always thought that about its own time but now we have a nuclear world and it's balls-to-the-wall, make or break time bearing down fast. We've hit redline ladies and gents and there's no going back. If we will go forward we will go very very forward, if we stand still we're dead meat, if we go half-assedly we are dead and dumb at the very same tme...

So I believe they are right here and we are them and the reason they are pissed off is because stupidity itself always pisses genius off...it has no legitimate excuse in the end...nature doesn't produce this crap...people do. People who don't give a damn about anything at all but protecting their petty little fears and perpetrating their miserable little disease...

power to the few (who actually give a damn),

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

OK, so I think a lot of the Kings and Queens of this Earth are awake now. Now, as I understand that process, waking them up in the first place was one of the things abrahadabra and the whole mutations thing thru it was designed for. As m1thr0s led that process I think, and so helped us all wake up, I'd like to ask him/you specifically - and others more generally - What do we do now that we're awake? Like, where to next?

That is to say, what do we do with that awakeness? How do you advise/propose that we go about taking over the world or whatever it is we're supposed to be doing here? It's all very well being awake, but then comes the day's (or night's) work. So what do we do there, what are your recommendations? Or do we just do as we incline to?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

I'm not really so convinced I can accept such a prestigious honor but thanks for the vote of confidence at least. If every man and every woman is a star, and if we might be so bold as to take this assertion literally, then apparently there will be several critical layers to awakening this whole potential.

Stars, to the best of my knowledge, pack a substantially bigger punch than humanoids...

I can be a little more specific than this however. Trigrammaton predicts the eventual discovery of another Life Code, similar to the DNA code in some respects but infinitely more expanded in its reach. We have not truly mastered the Binary yet...let alone the Ternary...

Perseverance Furthers,

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

I'm not really so convinced I can accept such a prestigious honor but thanks for the vote of confidence at least. If every man and every woman is a star, and if we might be so bold as to take this assertion literally, then apparently there will be several critical layers to awakening this whole potential.


Mmm, yes, agreed, but all we really need to do World Domination is enough of the layers active to practically do so. Going out on a bit of a limb perhaps, but enables a faster resolution than would be possible if we waited for the whole package to be in place and fully active.


Stars, to the best of my knowledge, pack a substantially bigger punch than humanoids...


Yes. And I know stars are a big part of your Work, but I do tend to think, having experienced it, that Dark Matter makes short work of stars and all other 'shiny', sparkly, ie visible or light phenomena. In terms of pure destructive power, or 'punch', that is. This is a bit similar and connected to using wormholes for attack purposes, as you've referenced that practice in the past I think.


I can be a little more specific than this however. Trigrammaton predicts the eventual discovery of another Life Code, similar to the DNA code in some respects but infinitely more expanded in its reach. We have not truly mastered the Binary yet...let alone the Ternary...


I have to admit I don't come anywhere near to fully (or even partially really) understanding the DNA code yet and how it works and is set up, in its full detail. However, I do suspect that such conscious knowledge of the 'next step' in a Life Code is not necessary to actually implement that code (or have it implemented for you) in practice. Indeed, I think that something precisely like that is already in the process of fitting into place for some people already. As I don't fully understand the processes involved from a technical perspective, just going with what I'm given on intuition, applying it, and then seeing what the results are, I would look forward to whatever comments are forthcoming on the ratios and technicalities for 'expanding beyond' DNA that I was given - and implemented - as part of the Immortality Process which was the first step I took in this whole 'world domination things. The logic being, if you're immortal, you can simply wait for all other 'players' to die -and programme all the newer-borns. Something like that anyway. Will release fuller details there in near future, as time feels right for it.

The point being, once the awakening feels to be in place for some, and seems to be in place for them to their experience, how then do you go about actually practically applying that to RULE here - as Kings and Queens of Earth are supposed to do. I ask for your advice and position there primarily because you seem more responsible and down-to-Earth than me, and the humans can therefore respect you more and feel more 'secure' with you, and your position / advice. Me, I just do what I was contracted for regarding this system, and as a rule am quite irresponsible nowadays wherever possible...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

when we say the word *star* in this context, we really should try to read *universe*...not so much the twinkly bits in the night sky per se... Crowley did stipulate this right in Magick in Theory & Practise...

I really don't know about running ahead of the clock Oazaki. I understand your impatience though. Historically, Qabbalists have defined the Great Work as "Raising the Foundation" on the Tree of Life to accomodate a greater energy/consciousness abundance than we typically enjoy as "grounded" humans. So it may not be necessary to go the entire distance just to conquer the world, which is such a miniscule little spec in space really one would hardly expect it to warrant quite that demanding a price tag to conquer.

But I do not see any compelling evidence to suggest that anyone has actually raised that foundation yet...I realize people claim all kinds of crap. I think they are deluded...I think we will surely know beyond all reasonable doubt when any real human being has accomplished this task.

Or if not...then the whole thing is a sham in my view, which I do not believe to be the case.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

But I do not see any compelling evidence to suggest that anyone has actually raised that foundation yet...

Could you tell me what you'd view as evidence there and what precisely you mean by 'raising the foundation'?

Thank-you for the clarification on the other points btw, eg about stars.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

Well I am a transhumanist and never said I wasn't. All of the evidence I have at my disposal suggests that the expanded human nervous system is capable of channeling thousands...perhaps even millions of times more energy than it typically does. We would normally think of this as being some sort of "god", and indeed, from Sumer on down this has been the general prediction for where humankind ultimately resolves. I am of this same opinion...I believe we are born of the gods and return to ultimately transcend them...

I do listen to other points of view but they ultimately wind up boring me to tears. I'll stick with the data I have and can rely upon I think...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

So evidence of such an ability to carry and transmit a superior - or massively enhanced - biolectric charge would be something tangibly provable and measurable by scientific instruments or by demonstration in terms of applied results?

Like, on a more subtle level mind control of large crowds would count? And on a more dramatic physical level, something like the reputed Shaolin arts of dropping people at a distance by pointing at them and emmitting Chi at them from afar would be too lowly, but perhaps something like shooting lightning bolts (which I am in fact working on ifnding a way to do)?

Would the more subtle, more easily-managed (incorporated into one's own physical form) count for evidence here, or would more dramatic and forceful abilities be required? I just ask so that I know at what point in procedings to move other plans I formulate forward, as I do like to plan ahead (most especially here as regards Turkey and a state I want to get going there. It is for sometime in the future though, but it is useful to lay such poatterns ahead of time I find, like 'writing a script' almost). Also, I am curious as to what you'd consider 'due evidence' here, and such an indication would also give me a good pointer as to what this system would consider 'due evidence' in such a sphere.

all the best, and thanks,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

One of the reasons that the whole "star" language might be especially relevant is that the energy we are talking about may actually be more nuclear in scope than electrical...*bionuclear* is a reasonable language I think...capable of manifesting via an electrical charge but not ultimately rooted as such.

I do not think that this is anything like Chi per se. I think it is something we have only ever really hit upon in deep transcendental states...or even certain drug states, to be frank.

I will have to return to this later though...urgent matters need my immediate attention.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

I can be a little more specific than this however. Trigrammaton predicts the eventual discovery of another Life Code, similar to the DNA code in some respects but infinitely more expanded in its reach. We have not truly mastered the Binary yet...let alone the Ternary...


OK, so on this point let me quote an excerpt from today's International Herald Tribune:

Recovering Ancient Protein

Until now, when it has come to dinosaurs, our imagination ahs always turned to stone.
Nearly everything we know about their fleshly contours, their life habits and their inner workings has been the result of studying their fossilized skeletal remains. But scientists have recently recovered a protein from the femur of a Tyrannosaurus rex.
Before this, the oldest protein came from 300,000 year-old mammoth remains. These T.rex molecules are 68 million years old.


So, from proteins of this sort you can recover the full DNA - or other life code - sequence I think. Given the historical, mythological or Edgar Cayce record on Atlantis, it would simply be a matter of recovering such molecules from Man as he was in Atlantean times.

Evolution is a relatively recent theory. Before that, a belief in devolution was the norm, for example in Ancient Greece, with a fall from a prior 'Golden Age' Likewise in Hindu metaphysics where we are now in Kali yuga. Now, whether that 'Golden Age' DNA (or other life sequence) is the hoped-for Super Life Code to come or not, it remains the case that it is probably a great advancement on the current human DNA structure and code. So it could serve as a useful 'first stepping stone' towards that at least.

Of course, to be able in practice to consider this as a feasible possibility, research it, and then apply those researches scientists would need to abandon their attachment and insistence on humans being basically glorified monkeys. Personally, I think that's Hideyoshi Toyotomi (Saru-san - Mr Monkey) just being sneaky and prevailing throughout histpry myself, like a poetic vengeance on his part. But westerners prbbly don't see that side of it, as they're not allowed to. Still, to begin a project one has to conceive of it as being possible in the first place - hence why it is useful to control and limit people's minds to boxes of your choosing. Which boxes they then fight to defend, view as thier own and tend not to even see clearly anywayz.

So yeah, that'd be one way to do it anyway.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

It is possible that earlier epochs had greater access to this over-code network due primarily to a substantialy lower degree of pollutions I think as well as differences in diet and the possibility of certain environmental differences (the plasmic theory for instance). But the code itself is the same as it ever was as near as I can determine at least. Since we are describing a physical mechanism, it would require a reasonably exact understanding and correct technical procedures to manipulate its properties, just as it does with any other natural mechanism. My feeling is that we have been bumping into this thing for centuries without really knowing what it is or how it works. Some have called it God, others have called it the Mind, the Tao, or various other things. In Abrahadabra we have a number of clues working as to its exact mathematical property but we aren't really in a position yet to say we have confirmed its existence in concrete terms that will allow us to harness it in articulate kinds of ways.

Trigrammal Field Theory is one such attempt in this direction but these things ultimately require a certain amount of cooperation to perfect. We are dealing with higher consciousness anatomical issues and it would be prudent to anticipate a few barriers to really securing it properly. Individuals acting on their own isolated initiative can certainly make some progress and we can never discount the possibility of an occult einstein or something somehow able to nail the whole thing down unassisted in any way. But moreover I think that this will probably require a group effort since it is both very subtle and very very big. As is the case with many other breakthrough technologies, I think we have to build up to it fairly systematically or it just slips through our fingers as it has been doing for thousands of years already. I have absolutely no reason to suspect that anyone has ever really nailed it clean. If they had, I think we would be living in a very different kind of world already. I don't think something like this can be stopped once it has been correctly accessed even once by someone consciously intending to do so.

I understand that many people in occultism like to imagine themselves "there already" but this way of thinking doesn't really take charge of anything in the real world. Having this network on tap would enable an individual to do virtually anything in terms of energy from the information I can gather on it. Such a person or persons would literally rule the world if they chose to do so and would at any rate be in control of things secretly even if they didn't choose to make a big public splash of things. We really are talking about a technology of Omnipotence here as near as I can determine. I can't honestly say that I have ever met any genuinely omnipotent beings in this world yet. So I think we still have a certain amount of work cut out for us on this and simply acknowledging the possibilities does not render them whole-on realities...it is a good start though...better than being completely oblivious at least. I happen to think we are very close to nailing this thing but it hasn't really happened yet. Whatever this thing is, it is a property of humankind in total and that's partly why nobody has mastered it individually. Certain things belonging to us all have to be approached in very meticulous kinds of ways to be revealed for what they really are and what they really have to offer us, collectively. I use "flight" as an example of this since it is a very similar kind of situation. We can always say...big deal...the Shamans mastered flight 10,000 years ago and perhaps they did. Fat lot of good it did the rest of us though. Their systems were too exclusive to apply straight across the board so the knowledge ultimately died off. Same thing here I think.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

It is possible...[snip]...here I think.

Man, I love posts like that... :yes:

[m1thr0s]

Tim Leary used to assert that the whole nuclear situation was way bigger than anyone really expected it was. For humans to have access to nuclear power scares the crap out of nature itself since this is the one thing capable of bringing the whole house down (well, that and pollution actually...). He used to say that the only solution to this situation politically and economically was to arm every man woman and child with their own atomic bomb! People laughed at this of course but laughing does not resolve the problem.

It may be that nature itself has just such an ace up its sleeve in the form of this "over-code". If even one person were (practically) omnipotent in this world, this would completely change everything. If nuclear warheads were suddenly loaded with graham crackers one day without any explanation or reason...well...it's easy to imagine the possibilities I think. I don't actually think that having such power would be as disruptive as people might think though. I seriously doubt it would be paraded about in any kind of grandiose fashion at all...but even if it were...oh well...that's just how the ball bounces sometimes.

Look at how things are right now! Any godamm lunatic with a couple of nuclear weapons can take out the whole damn world. We know this and simply choose to ignore it. I don't think nature can afford to ignore it...it's not going to go away all by itself. Something equally as hard to imagine is going to have to happen to balance out the books in my view or they simply won't get balanced at all. And that's not good news for anybody. So it's not about some kind of nuclear "hysteria" per se. I am simply assessing the equation itself here and I think that there does have to come a solution and it does have to fall within the jurisdiction of technology. Nuclear arms is only one such hazardous manifestation we are dealing with...there's going to come a whole ensemble of these including genetics science, robotics and many others...

We have entered into an extremely dangerous waters to which only an extremely provocative counter-weight is ever likely to make it all pan out right. If no such counter-weight can be found...fine...we move onto the next thing...but the idea that humans may be destined to be as gods wasn't just invented...this theme has been around since civilization began, actually. I believe our own technology is forcing our final playing card into action. We are quickly approaching a major evolutionary precipice here.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Having this network on tap would enable an individual to do virtually anything in terms of energy from the information I can gather on it. Such a person or persons would literally rule the world if they chose to do so and would at any rate be in control of things secretly even if they didn't choose to make a big public splash of things. We really are talking about a technology of Omnipotence here as near as I can determine.

OK, that's cool. The standard legal clause I use to avoid hassle is that Religious Freedom on Japanese terms: we want to be free to view The Emperor as a God. With the Japanese the only ones who paid the price for nukes, karmically speaking, that gives good initial grounds to work on. A more compassionate approach would prbbly be to do lots of benevolent healing-type miracles. cuz rational argument's not going to get you anywhere with this one, and humans generally tend to be stuck in a very Jesus Christ mindset of:

Can do miracles = God

But the preffered approach in this department from what I can gather of the general sentiment and vibe in Japan is to simply hurt the westerners till they yield. They don't like pain you see, and are very bad at it. You just have to make that pain naturally-caused, eg thru disease, and people will believe whatever you tell them to, because they'll want the pain to stop. It's useful if you target their children for this. After all, that's what the Americans did in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki to force their version of what is god through onto the Japanese. So it's fair karmic backpay. And it's not like they can say they learnt any 'lesson' since then, look they've been trying to do the same in Iraq contemporarily, in practice, yep. So wed think we should use empathy on them, let them experience what the experience is like. we wonder how long it will take them to yield their religious viewpoint to us...

And people wonder what the Japanese were doing with all those biotech companies funded by Mitsubishi UFJ. Developing weapons obviously, it's what the Japanese do with everything big they're involved in. Pretty much really...

In practice belief creates Reality. Personal pain creates personal belief, sooner or later, in anyone... you've just got to apply it skilfully enough, and enough of it.

Anibis: if you hold this to be threatening in some way, I'll hold you to that. You choose your own perspective, but I ain't covering for you anymore (as I was before, luckily for you; disbelieve and test if you like).

Regards,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

People can believe whatever the hell they want to! That has nothing to do with what I am talking about at least.

I realize that my language is right up there with science fiction or whatever but you have to remember that everything I am saying can be demonstrated in the numbers. We can't really say for sure what it all means but a certain amount of brainstorming is justified in lieu of these remarkable finds.

None of this has anything to do with affecting pain on anybody. I think it needs to be understood that the only way this kind of thing works is through a rather radical self-transformation process. The Godman does not very much resemble the Man from which he sprang...all the old predjudices and fears are gone and a whole new (universal) mentality has replaced them. This is the "failsafe" I have alluded to before. We have to be willing to take a huge leap to becoming something quite other than what we are for any of this to work.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Oh yeah, and obviously we hold that The Emperor of Japan rules the world, and always has done, because he's got ninja, and Aum Shinrikyo scalar tech (which you can cause earthquakes with), and that's just the publicly-released, confirmed minimum (there's lots of nastier stuff behind the scenes to pull out of the hats if needed). But what you gonna do, kill the baka deshi arrogant westerners before they have understood why you hate them so much, and why they are so inferior to you (their lack of ethicality and courage, in practice)? That would not be the sort of Godhead we wish to promote, as that's irresponsible. So, we were patient and restrained. But, y'know, just cuz you don't use power, don't mean you don't have it. Westerners are incredibly curious, even at the expense of thier own pain and destruction. And they encourage this pain unto them, out of their curiosity and thier delusion (and so need to be educated, to see things as they really are, hence this come under this System's own terms, viz as a place for enfreedoment from moksha. Hence, with their minds set up in that way, they go like lemmings to thier Fate, drawing their own sufferring unto them. Of course, they can't see that...

But they'll believe what The Emperor wants them to believe, in due time, people tend to when you know what you're doing. As Gods tend to. It's why they can do what they like...(not what the humans think they should do)

As for the meaning of Omnipotence, this is one of the characteristics of God, and the Japanese mystics do know God, cuz they're not weak, and meditate. It's not merely custom and tradition, it's practical. That's why we call levels 8 and 9 in ninjutsu 'Mind and Eyes of God'. There's a Hands and Feet part too... Generally, all parts of it are a weapon, and kill people. Power over Life and Death by esoteric means. Is this not enough to be God, in practice, physically, on Earth? Well, Westerners tend to hold it's Power of Creation which define God. We hold it's Powers of Destruction. After all, destruction's easier, so faster, which is the real concern here for us (qua the Japanese).

Regards,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

you appear to be blathering (again) Oazaki...everything you are saying is based on some "belief". Who cares what the Japanese believe? They certainly have a right to believe whatever they want but it doesn't mean shit to beans at the end of the day.

I am not talking about belief at all and I don't think you have the vaguest idea how to approach the reality of these kinds of issues. Japanese Shmapanese...this whole limited way of thinking has never done anybody any real good at all...not even the Japanese.

A "god" is defined anatomically or not at all. The emperor of Japan is just a man. The emperor of China was just a man. The queen of England is just a woman. There was never anything legitimately godlike about any of them in anatomical reality. Just because these people can command murder and mayhem doesn't make them gods. It technically makes them monsters (environmental pollutions, icons of ignorance, bastians of restriction, all the same thing really)...

The only interesting thing about human Kings is why people need them at all, particularly those kings that are supposed to be viceregents of God on Earth. This is all transference stuff. People need these icons because it reminds them of who they are, or who they would be if they were more liberated beings. But the whole thing is just a way of shifting the responsibility over to some symbol of power, rather than assuming that responsibility for themselves. It's a powerful instinct in people...this urge to duck their own innate godhood. Indeed, many people are simply not ready to take it on but that doesn't make these symbols of godhood real. Given enough time and understanding the habit dies out under its own weight and the very nature of Kingship has to be redefined from scratch. The symbol itself still means something even if the King is practically obsolete. Why is that? Why do people need these symbols at all if it weren't something latent in their own beings?

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

No, no, no, we're all gods anyway upon system entry, it's called being Spiritual, all the mystics say this. So why are physical bodies and even human souls weak in this system? It's a question of what you can ground physically. Degree of System Penetration. You do understand Penetration don't you? Well then, Earth's the problem, a Mother should provide for her Children, make them strong. Leatways till they're ready to be men and all...

Earth, she keeps the humans - and other lifeforms on her - weak. How do you penetrate a system like that to fetch through into it a Divinity which is already well established in terms of Universal Power? Easiest way in terms of Earth at this moment in history is to ground that through the Emperor of Japan.

As a legal case in terms of doing whatever you like in any country worldwide it's the best as well: "I do what I want, because I'm God. This is Freedom of Religion. It's what the Japanese believe, even though the Americans nuked them till they changed they agreed to externally change their mind their. But we consider nuking women and children unfair religious persecution. If you disagree then Hindu metaphysics states that karma returns where it belongs and to those who align with those group karmas. Given the Japanese natures, and that some rather nasty things seem to turn around us, prbbly, given that why else would intelligence agencies have large files on us, it's prbbly a wise idea to let us do what we want, or we'll arrange for your women and children to be nuked and get you on religious persecution and other nasty clauses. Hence you can't take this thru your law courts, and need to be courteous to us. In return, we'll be reasonably courteous to you."

Powerful people are polite, even to those who they view as inferior to them, perhaps especially there till they grow up. Usually.

So look, that makes you free to not pay taxes, kill people discreetly when you go on holiday, steal money and cars and things like that. Very MI6 image, which is another reason they can't touch this sort of thing. So does mind-control and nullification of the state apparatus count like a GodPower? Legally, close enough or a grey area which works as if it is the case at least. Esoterically... people like to have different ideas about what 'God' is, what divinity is, what constitutes Godhood. Such arguments, they are resolved under the Law of the Strong. And the rest of you, you're weak relative to the Japanese. Sorry if you thought different, but it's not the case. We can demonstrate this in any field you care to present a challenge in. Physically. We're through with empty words and arguing over airy concepts. Let's get the swords out, which are made of metal and drive peopel insane or cause them to yield. For example.

Oh and I don't blather. Don't be insulting, it's rude. You can do that to the monkeys if you like, but not to me. I think that's fair, don't you?

Regards,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

No, no, no, we're all gods anyway upon system entry, it's called being Spiritual, all the mystics say this.
well no...being a god and being spiritual are not the same thing, and no, "all the mystics" do not say that godhood is a function of birth in this world. In point of fact, nearly all the branches of mystic thought assert that godhood (typically defined as having become one with godhead) is a function of liberation from the constraints (or "wheel") of life and death. So liberation, not litigation is the issue here.


Earth, she keeps the humans - and other lifeforms on her - weak.
The earth provides an opportunity for either strength or weakness in all its species. If human beings were not powerfully motivated to transcend their mortal limitations they would not even be human beings as we know them, so it seems improbable and also a bit "impolite" to pin the blame for human weakness on Earth. Earth is what it is, rooted in Necessity and nothing more. Humans, because they have broken with natural Instinct, have to sort out strength and weakness for themselves. Humans are born as strong an animal as Earth can make them and are, according to their powerful brains, hands down, the strongest animal on Earth.

Your emphasis on legalities et al simply makes no rational sense that I can find. Your insistence that the Japanese people are somehow better than everyone else is literally one of the most ridiculous assertions I have ever heard, and I have heard many. I can only imagine that starting from the assumption that you are yourself some sort of finished product (as you seem to constantly assert) must create a great deal of confusion for you, but I am not so confused. All people, from all walks of life are an admixture of strength and weakness, nobility and frailty, bar none.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Oooooooh this is top secret stuff isn't it?

TNM ^_^

[m1thr0s]

The reality bubbles we occupy are typically our truest nemesis and most legitimate targets of mastery. getting outside of these bubbles and reprogramming our own perceptions of ourselves and everything and everybody accordingly is routinely the hardest task any of us will ever have to face. killing and/or enslaving morons by the millions is a walk in the park by comparison and nowhere near as militarily acute.

That's just how it really is...occultists should try to get straight with who and what their enemy actually is. All this badass posturing just wastes time and precious resources...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

You're right, that's real cool m1thr0s.

edit:

aesthetics, though

Kuroyagi?

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Interesting thread, though I have to say that Ive never felt a desire to enlighten the masses myself.

[Kuroyagi]

Naomi?

Im not sure what you mean. Maybe the "aesthetic justification of Creation"? [Theres war and artrocities and suffering but nature is beautiful in all its aspects.]

Thats connected to what m1thr0s said: You can only fully experience the beauty of a thing and judge it aesthetically if you are not substantially concerned by it. For example: Its hard or at least unwise to think about the aesthetic majesty of a tyrannosaur when being cased by it. edit: in order to aesthetically judge you need to get somehow out of system/change perspective...probably..

[Naomi]

Well you said something once about "the system is based on aesthetics now." not here but elsewhere. I took your word for it. And you know what, it works.

Aesthetics are not properly understood here. On earth. By humans.

[Kuroyagi]

Ah yes of course, it is isnt it? I have to look up my exact argumentation or retrace that a bit cause I remember you saying that it was a bit 'ard to follow...canta remember it myself now (being ME)...but I also act upon its principles as if it were so; and science, in its most modern expressions does so too- knowingly or not. I mean things like the fact that physicists first can decide ("aesthetically", as they "like") whether to consider a particle a wave or matter, or decide either upon location or time frame for its existence but not both and from there it will unfold...or genetics and selection/mutation is also very dependent on shapes, form- the "appearance" of things: so there are subjective elements of "taste" mingled with more "objective" processes based upon technique- consequences of those decisions- that will unfold differently depending on ones decision...

Yes but also on a bigger level this is applicable for sure...as I said recently in comparing big bang theories to mythography etc...this has a point- also in light of what Oazaki said: IF you were a god then youd be able to controll the system from the outside/from above and its not too far fetched to suppose that aesthetics would be one primary guideline for it..

[Naomi]

Seijuro Forums is dead by the looks of it, so no such luck. I'm sure it's up there in your head somewhere. In context it was rather random though, you just blurted it out suddenly I think. (never a dull moment amongst the Seijuro clan, it's all like rabid dogs or foxes having a party or something in the matrix)

What you are saying is the same but not different from Silentjohn's theory...that the small instance or particle will accrue and expand and retain the shape of the original miniscule particle or thought, snowballing. Or as I told him, in a nod towards his oceanic nature - like the shell layers of a pearl.

I believe one of the principals of being a god should, can and will be in fact controlling the parameters and flows of the earth from heaven itself. (In the eastern sense not in any kind of crap christian non-sense)

Yet that's all good....it's really really good for humans especially. It's not narcissistic to say that with proper application and dedication to a legal and just cause, one could really be a savior of humanity. Well, at least the planet. Maybe not though, we'll see who takes us up on our offer of divine guardianship.

[Kuroyagi]

Imagine you have to press the equivalent of several volumes with thousands of pages written by the finest minds of humankind into a one page post on a free of charge internet forum while using the modern form of a Franco-Germanic bastard language. If you do so then something like my Venus story [that I posted then] could come out which may consequently be a bit hard to understand...maybe I will write those books in the future, then but Im no damn Byzantine scholar.

This aesthetic foundation is part of the conclusions drawn from the cognitive frontier of expansion in human "reality" itself: to put it concisely- "from the fringe or shadow regions of reality" that is just dimly perceivable, looming in the twilight of consciousness. This does neither mean that the scientists who help define it yet have drawn those conclusions themselves nor that anyone is aware of them, and my story was- in a subjective but true depiction- meant to explain the way that led to todays state of affairs, to todays reality so to speak...

Yes, I agree: someone who could change the parameters of reality itself could be considered as a god..."From sawdust to stardust".."From nomad to monad"..could once be the synopsis of human history- if it isnt already.

[Naomi]

it's all about economics really...the only reasonable way to run things is via complete self sufficiency on the shoulders of every godamned individual. It's great really because it allows for a very cool creation without much friction or unnecessary pain and strife.

I wanted to speak a little about raising the foundation a little...if I remember correctly, the only way to completely raise it is if all beings achieve a unified field of consciousness above a certain level, upon which a reaction will happen in the fabric of reality itself that engages the whole species automatically. part of this enginery has been activated already, and the other half is just sloughing off the dead matter accumulated on the remains of the decayed fields, the all of creation begins to turn a new leaf and we get to start the new aeon....granted, no easy task at all, but at least it's something.

I can't seem to understand why I cannot remember everything, especially these most important bits and then it all comes back to me at once and I know there's no way to hang on to it all the time when rushing through the seam between the two worlds colliding...all I can do is place markers where I can see them and be reminded to come back to the place of power where I know all of my accumulated kingdom resides...and Ng of course...(I'm an extended version of that form, just so you can tell all of your friends)

I'm not going out tonight, something's up, I can feel it...