I'm in trouble. Please read.

[Lucian]

A group of magicians will soon be attacking me with the intention of killing me and possibly my family.

Long story short -

This past summer I met someone on OF. We started talking on IM, seemed to connect, and it wasn't long before he was proclaiming his love for me and I was falling in love with him. I didn't know that was possible to do without meeting the person face to face, but somehow it happened.

I've actually never been more in love with anyone. I thought I had found the kindred spirit I'd been waiting for without much hope of actually finding. I cared very, very much for this person and was very deeply in love.

But it started getting really difficult. I couldn't understand the reason for all the conflict at the time - but I do now.

Just a few days ago I discovered the truth:

This person had befriended me, had persuaded me to let down my guard and had formed a bond with me so that he could use me as a specimen on which to test one of his magical techniques. This technique was a seal binding me to him, supposedly to share power. However, I doubt I really know its true purpose.

It had all been lies. And I mean that quite literally - he'd even lied about little things like what his cat was doing in his room at that moment when in fact the cat was in another state with its real owner. It was all lies and I had no idea because I had allowed myself to fall so incredibly hard for this guy.

This is the greatest betrayal I've ever known, and the greatest heartbreak.

And I've never wanted revenge so much in my entire life. But that is for another thread.

Now that I'm no longer useful to him, and now that I have defied him and told him to go to hell, he intends to destroy me. He intends to kill me. He's made threats against my family, and is using his very tired old scare tactics of hunting my apartment address down via my IP address. He's going to have his other "disciples" (one of which is a well known OF member) with the same "seal" attack me magically, and failing that he'll come here personally.

Or so he says.

I'm not sure exactly how worried I should be. I'm taking a sort of wait-and-see stance, because I don't actually know who I'm dealing with anymore. It could all be talk. I could be in serious trouble. I just don't know.

But supposing he is the bad ass magician he thinks he is, and others think he is...

I don't know much about defending myself from magical attack. I'm pretty much completely open to attack at this moment. I'm now linked to him through this seal of his, which I have no way of removing. I wouldn't be worried about it or even consider it real except that I was sick and experiencing some pretty weird side effects for several days after he gave it to me. I don't think I can just dismiss it all as suggestion.

Anyway...

I would just like to discuss this situation with anyone who will talk to me about it here. Advice, suggestions, "What were you thinking?!", reassurance, "You are so totally fucked" - anything.

I just want to talk.

Thanks.

[feranaja]

Lucian please PM, or contact me at catlane@thepossiblecanine.com - I will call you asap. I've had my life threatened repeatedly by Internet people who insist - publicly - that its ME attacking THEM. I've had horrific, I mean unbelievable things happen to me via emial "relationships". NO ONE CAN HURT YOU MAGICKALLY if you know what you are doing, I mean they'll wear themsleves out trying.
And the rest, the affairs of the heart? Just - let's talk. YOu ownt believe the shit I've been through online. I can at least offer you a totally open hearted and non judgemental ear.


My heart breaks for you.
And I'm here.
<big cyber hug>
fera

[m1thr0s]

you should probably talk to fera about some of the logistics of dealing with any actual personal contact. I am not sure if a restraining order could be issued on him or not but alerting people in advance is usually a good idea. Let him know that people are watching.

As to the sigil...I don't know...I am a fairly skilled sigilist in my own right and I don't buy into all this mental masterbation crap about killing with sigils. Find a sigil of your own that can neutralize it...Anything which can be built can be neutralized at the level of its violent tendencies at least.

Not a godamm thing can assault the TwinStar, for instance...nadda...

good luck with this Lucian...I am only sorry to hear you were tricked in this way...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

Thank you fera, m1thr0s.

m1thr0s - I actually am revisiting the TwinStar. I do have doubts that he is capable of killing, which only pissed him off more. He's possibly done things like manifest serious car accidents and so forth, but killing me with the seal is probably mental masturbation as you said.

The magical aspects of this are probably not worth worrying about that much.

[m1thr0s]

m1thr0s - I actually am revisiting the TwinStar.I'm not trying to peddle it off on you.
Use it if it resonates and don't if it doesn't. There's a time and place for everything so I am never in a hurry in this regard.

The thing to understand about sigil magick is that it is highly sympathetic...and this can be used to good advantage...but you have to find something that you can pour your own strength into...it can't just be something somebody hands you per se. It has to have a strong resonance already. Tantric Sigils are very powerful because people work with them on a regular basis to build and balance energy. Solomonic or Enochian sigils are less powerful than these but can also be very potent but here you begin to enter into the realm of mental instability and I really don't care what anybody says...that stuff is mostly psycho-babble. It can all be made to work but if you are intent on defending yourself, look to tools that you can easily impart a lot of personal energy into and set that all ablaze.

Sometimes these things are just a wake-up call to things you already needed to be attending to but weren't motivated enough to deal with. Nothing like the threat of being attacked to get the juices flowing.

The most threatening thing to worry about is the personal contact thing. That has to be avoided and if it cannot be then you have to have other people involved so that nothing can happen without everybody knowing about it. That will almost always be enough to ward off anything of that nature. People who attack others with magick are cowards to the core. They don't want to risk being caught and jailed etc.

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Once, a fellow took advantage of a particularly unballanced phase of my life to hit me with a spell. He made physical contact with me at my heart chakra, when I was fairly vulnerable. Intead of resisting it, I accepted it totally, and stepped back from the whole exchange until both the perpetrator and the victim (him and me) were seen from outside, and contained within a field. I was able to let him succeed without hinderance in such a way that his 'victory' fell into my hands on a much larger scale than he was working at. Sometimes, 'to die' just means to change. If you 'die well' you can reincarnate in such a way that you are way way way more adept than buddy with the jerkoff-spells... THis is not a suggestion or anything, you will find the right way to handle the situation for yourself, I just thought I'd mention a strategy that has from time to time come in handy. However, if you are more of the 'block the spell', rather than run with it and steal its momentum approach then I have good things to say about the Twinstar and the BaGua... Heck 'Abrahadabra' itself would do a pretty good job at cracking that link, I'd wager... Recall how it used to be employed by uttering the word and then diminishing it to 0? Just a thought or two. Fear not. Most of this is psychology; stay centered, don't do anything you wouldn't do... Also, there are a billion and one clever ways to block, re-route, reflect, neutralize, or profit from the the energy 'given to you' by someone foolish enough to launch such an attack. His seal could well be used to reverse the whole thing on him, I would expect... Good luck, you have my support.
-Ibisis

[fr.novumorganum]

Deal with the legal issues first. There are many resources available for victims of cyber-stalking, and issuing threats on-line, especially if through a psuedonym, is taken very seriously these days. If he has threatened physical violence don't hesistate to contact the police, NOW, and other groups to protect yourself.

I'm very doubtful about anyone haveing disciples on OF; my guess is just a couple of self aggrandizing fools, but fools can be dangerous. He's prolly just using your attention (0f any sort, love fear manipulation) to boost his own ego, and any such astral construct involving you can be dealt with, magickally and not.

[Phoenix]

For magik protection try this,


• The power hand is the hand you write with.

• The power finger is the finger after the thumb on your power hand.

• When waking in the morning, or before a spell, you can do an instant blessing. Start at your third eye, above your nose between your eye brows, go to the right nipple, the left shoulder, the right shoulder, the left nipple and then back to the third eye.

• Making a pramid with your index fingers up and your thumbs overlapping, places on the third eye chakra, or or fourth chest chakra grounds your protective aura.

• A cross made with your index fingers wards away evil and prevents rebound.

• Making horns, by closing your fingers and putting up your index and pinky fingers, you can ward away evil and negativity.

• Putting down your pink and ring fingers and holding them down with your thumb, and making an oval with your index finger and pointer finger, pointer being ontop, you make a blessing mantra. (Index is the finger after the thumb, the pointer finger is the finger after the finger after the thumb.)

• Making an 'ok symbol' with your thumb and finger after your thumb, and placing up all your other fingers forms a deer symbol. This adds energy to your magickal workings,especially three times over a talisman, and can deflect unwanted magickal energies.

• Making a fist and extending th finger after the thumb and the finger after the finger after the thumb is a blessing symbol and directs energy, Can be used instead of a wand or athame.


• Remember to keep a pentagram with you or try drawing this with the respective vocal appel for protection remenber not to show this to anyone

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My simpathy is with you, remenber too block any so call atempt of contact from him

Edit: sorry m1thr0s (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/member.php?u=20) vbmenu_register("postmenu_8350", true);

[Naomi]

Well in this case I'd draw down the energy of Saturn's north pole in the form of the six pointed star (Star of David) to surround yourself. Thereby affording yourself perfect and swift justice.


Do you want help? I would usually just send buttloads of help without asking but I don't really know you well and if you would not like that.

Being a member of abrahadabra.com affords you some measure of protection, doesn't it....:dull::mtongue:


I wondered about you since you've seemed a little down and out in your banter on this forum.

Sounds like a big weirdo....

[Okazaki Castle]

Yeah, well, give the word and we'll take him our for you babes, np. Stuff like he's been doing also puts him in the position to return that karma to him and hit his family with Hand of God (ie karmic attack). Or if you want him restrained, or bound mentally so he can't move or simply loses interest that works too. Just let me know.

As for any real threat, don't worry, the whole load of us are under Kain of Kobe's protection if it really comes to the crunch. He's got scalar tech based with Aum Shinrikyo and can do things like take out countries or individual personnel in bunkers. And does when things get too tight to maneuvre out of it ourselves on the basis of our own relatively comfortable expression of our own strength (on training principles, like hardcore pushes you the psychopathic motherfucker). I made it clear that you were to be covered by him in that way also, cuz you're fetching thru gates and stuff for us, and so for him too. This high-level stuff works too in practice: tried it out on both the Israeli embassy and the Dutch police (back during the period when I was sending ultimatums to govts and stuff).

So he's as good as dead, if you want it. Or if you'd prefer a more clement, milder approach, that works too. All you gotta do is decide... Fun that way isn't it? :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

an astral slice-o-matic...that's what you need...slices and dices and rinses clean with simple tap-water...no magician should be without one...

there's a lot to be said for high explosives as well...but that's an R-rated movie ill-suited to most viewing audiences...

picture an astral smart-bomb cruise missile thingy targeting his muladhara chakra...oh man...that's just plain karmic...lol

we could call it a Lam-Bomb...gotta nice ring to it...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

Thank you so much for your support, everyone.

I knew that by coming here and talking about it with you all I would be able to calm down, see things for what they are, and start thinking more rationally.

He's done this sort of thing before to other girls. His reputation for being this kind of asshole is all over the internet - I just didn't find out until it was too late. When I did find out it caused quite a row but he assured me that he would never, ever do something like that to me - someone he actually loved. Since it had been years since the incident in question and since he'd been pretty much just a kid at the time, I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Point is, this is almost exactly the same thing: He used the girl, manipulated her, did all kinds of things, then when she tried to get away from him he got "scary" and showed all the personal info he could get from her IP address, etc. All pretty lame.

He's a 25 year old still living with his mother. I mean... come on.:rolleyes:

It was all talk then, and it's all talk now.

I think he's already done his worst.

I was only even remotely concerned about magical attack because he showed me some things this summer that I had never seen before, like actually showing up in my room one night on the "astral" or whatever and even touching me. That made a pretty big impression, so I assumed if he could do that he could probably do more.

But I think his bluff has been called.

He wasn't going to stalk me, but he warned me that I would be hearing from his other followers (the one supposed to be killing me right now). I haven't heard anything from her, so I'm assuming that is more bullshit.

Yeah... LAME.

[Pagan39]

Oh this loser just deserves pride of place on Dont date Him Girl.com....he really deserves the humiliation....big bad magician getting tucked in bed every night by his mummy......lol....rofl
The celts always knew the best revenge was a heavy dose of ridicule.......

[Lucian]

Oh this loser just deserves pride of place on Dont date Him Girl.com....he really deserves the humiliation....big bad magician getting tucked in bed every night by his mummy......lol....rofl
The celts always knew the best revenge was a heavy dose of ridicule.......

LOL!! I should absolutely do that.

He always told me he hated how... well... hated... he was and how people always spoke badly of him, yet he loves, loves, loves to tell everyone about his reputation and how bad he is.

Now he can be like "Yeah, I was kicked out of the Church of Satan because I was too evil... AND I have a profile on DontDateHimGirl. com. Be afraid."

LOL

[m1thr0s]

hmmm...I get the distinct impression his astral appearance was actually your doing, not his Lucian. He may have synchronized it. I think you actually pulled the Rabbit itself. My antennas are seldom wrong. You must have a pretty strong Priestess thing going on... Consider if that might not have actually been the case...go over all the actual events etc... If it is as I suspect, he really doesn't want to lock horns with you...you're the one who has actual materialization skills. If he knew that in advance, it's no wonder he might have latched onto you with a vengeance. Momma's little boy never had it so good...but then...he never really will I think.

Oh well...it's my place in the scheme of things to breech the uncomfortable and/or the psychologically inconvenient.

CoS doesn't kick people out for being "bad" by the way. They kick people out for being "stupid". It tops the list of the 9 Satanic Sins. They usually allow quite a lot of leeway though...he must have really distinguished himself.

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

I have found that an overblown egotistical hate and fear mongering magus type is a form of parasite... a vampire of the lowest order; they feed off of the fear they generate in others. One can shield, or retaliate, or, or, or.....any of the other things that would be expected as a classic response to such an attack. But let me offer this. (Legal stuff first of course...the FBI is veeeery intersted in online threats, and there are laws to protect you in that regard.) And I like the fantasy of somehow getting a letter to his mom...hehehe...wouldn't THAT be a fly on the wall conversation!

But I digress. Like some of the ancient demons that require sacrifices...this type feeds on what is given to it, in whatever energy form it takes. So the conclusion to me is simple. starve it to death. give it no more attention magicklly than is its due. It can struggle, it can scream, it can stomp about the house in pink undies for all that it matters. If it is not given any energy, then it cannot survive in your circle.

Piff...Make it laughable..Make it ridiculous...for that is what it is...at least on an astral level.

Bad dog...No biscuit.....do you see?

Love and strength. You have allies.

~D~

[Lucian]

hmmm...I get the distinct impression his astral appearance was actually your doing, not his Lucian. He may have synchronized it. I think you actually pulled the Rabbit itself. My antennas are seldom wrong. You must have a pretty strong Priestess thing going on... Consider if that might not have actually been the case...go over all the actual events etc... If it is as I suspect, he really doesn't want to lock horns with you...you're the one who has actual materialization skills. If he knew that in advance, it's no wonder he might have latched onto you with a vengeance. Momma's little boy never had it so good...but then...he never really will I think.

Oh well...it's my place in the scheme of things to breech the uncomfortable and/or the psychologically inconvenient.

m1thr0s

lol - I had actually considered that. And the case for it is strong considering he never was able to pull off anything like that again. Even with his "seal".

He supposedly gave me the seal one evening and I was sick, fatigued, dizzy, sore as hell and hallucinating for about three days afterward. He thought this was fantastic. Obviously his technique had been a success. But after these "symptoms" went away, nothing ever happened with the seal. The bastard waited until AFTER it was done to say "Oh yeah... by the way... not that this would ever happen... but don't ever piss me off now. Because that could get really bad for you.":dull:

So he kept talking about it, kept threatening me when we fought, but never actually did anything. So after a while I began wondering if this so called seal was there at all. This could have been a case of very bad scientific...aah... method I guess.

Not only did he insist I take a specific drug to "knock out the psychic censor so that wouldn't fight the seal", but we had discussed at length what to expect. So... I was expecting. And I was drugged with a sleep aide I'd never taken before.

Pretty sloppy, no?

Weeks later I decided to test the same dosage of the sleep aide as he'd instructed me to take to see if I experienced the same symptoms and could write it all off as just my reaction to the drug. Some of the things I knew could be attributed to the drug of course happened, but I wasn't sick, sore, and seeing things for days after. I was just drowsy. So I concluded it hadn't all been the drug.

This left me with the possibility that I had created these symptoms myself somehow. Unfortunately I don't understand the mechanics of such a thing and knew of no way I could test it properly. So I had to just leave it at that.

Since I'm not dead, and since he's not been able to use this seal for anything since he gave it to me, and it might as well not be there, I guess the only conclusion I can come to is that it really isn't there.

If it was, he'd have used it by now. Once again, I've called his bluff.

The astral thing was most likely me again, though I've never done that before, made no effort to at all, and was pretty damn surprised to be seeing it. With my eyes wide open and blinking several times. It was really[I] there and I was so psyched! I told Jason about it and he was shocked he'd manifested like that and then was very very pleased with himself.

lol.

It's a really good learning experience I guess. I can't be called a fool if I didn't know I was capable of manifesting things like this, right?

eeesh.

edit: Okay, well, I have to be some kind of fool. He certainly played me for one, so... eh.

[m1thr0s]

how amusing...that makes him a Boggart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggart_%28Harry_Potter%29) of the Harry Potter variety...not even a true Boggart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggart) from Celtic tradition...

yeah..."Ridikulus", dismantles it...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

I think the mental image of him running around in pink undies with his tattoos and long black hair should do it...

*RIDIKULUS!!*

[m1thr0s]

It's a really good learning experience I guess. I can't be called a fool if I didn't know I was capable of manifesting things like this, right?Pardon me for sounding "parental" Lucian but the Fool is a whole other card and everything...what typically hounds the Priestess is a kind of naiivette born of innocence, preserved deliberately and usually at great cost. Over time you learn to negotiate this better. It's not so different with the Magus by the way...they both suffer from this "problem"...which is only a problem due to people's relative psychological filth which they commonly roll in about like pigs like to roll in shit.

The astral thing was most likely me again, though I've never done that before, made no effort to at all, and was pretty damn surprised to be seeing it. With my eyes wide open and blinking several times. It was really there and I was so psyched! I told Jason about it and he was shocked he'd manifested like that and then was very very pleased with himself.yeah...he was surprized alright. It was you Lucian...you wanted this so bad you made it happen. But you have learned something about your own abilities. Just think of the possibilities to honing this puppy. You're going to need a real Magus at some point. Too damn bad I'm old enough to be your father or I might apply myself...I really am a Satanist and I really do have dangerous magickal weapons...oh well...we can exchange notes anyhow...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

I have found that an overblown egotistical hate and fear mongering magus type is a form of parasite... a vampire of the lowest order; they feed off of the fear they generate in others. One can shield, or retaliate, or, or, or.....any of the other things that would be expected as a classic response to such an attack. But let me offer this. (Legal stuff first of course...the FBI is veeeery intersted in online threats, and there are laws to protect you in that regard.) And I like the fantasy of somehow getting a letter to his mom...hehehe...wouldn't THAT be a fly on the wall conversation!

But I digress. Like some of the ancient demons that require sacrifices...this type feeds on what is given to it, in whatever energy form it takes. So the conclusion to me is simple. starve it to death. give it no more attention magicklly than is its due. It can struggle, it can scream, it can stomp about the house in pink undies for all that it matters. If it is not given any energy, then it cannot survive in your circle.

Piff...Make it laughable..Make it ridiculous...for that is what it is...at least on an astral level.

Bad dog...No biscuit.....do you see?

Love and strength. You have allies.

~D~

That makes complete sense. He can't stand anyone even suggesting it, but a parasite is exactly what he is. He would create these huge crisis and I'd pour all of this energy into him and smother him with love and affection and support and in return he would...

would... link me to something cool on youtube??

Lol.

You're absolutely right, Dragon.

I've fed him too much already. He's not coming here. He wouldn't dare - not with the record he says he has. Nor is he going to launch any attacks that anyone is going to even notice.

I need to just turn my back on the whole thing.

[Lucian]

Pardon me for sounding "parental" Lucian but the Fool is a whole other card and everything...what typically hounds the Priestess is a kind of naiivette born of innocence, preserved deliberately and usually at great cost. Over time you learn to negotiate this better. It's not so different with the Magus by the way...they both suffer from this "problem"...which is only a problem due to people's relative psychological filth which they commonly roll in about like pigs like to roll in shit.

You're right about being hounded by naiivette. Somehow they all seem to know this about me and it's like everyone that's ever gravitated towards me have done so just to take advantage of this. Just one after another. I can never figure out how they know.

So I meet Jason, he presents himself as a Magus, and I think "Finally! I've found it. Someone I'm safe with who will work with me". Then he does this to me and I can't believe how bad it is and I'm thinking "Not this! Not him, too! Not again!!"

yeah...he was surprized alright. It was you Lucian...you wanted this so bad you made it happen. But you have learned something about your own abilities. Just think of the possibilities to honing this puppy. You're going to need a real Magus at some point. Too damn bad I'm old enough to be your father or I might apply myself...I really am a Satanist and I really do have dangerous magickal weapons...oh well...we can exchange notes anyhow...


I would like that. I have no idea how to hone this, what to use it for, etc. It's just kind of there now.

I really did want this to be what it seemed. I needed it to be. I've been looking for someone - a Magus I guess - for a long time. That's part of why it's so devastating. I'm actually not at all surprised I tried to make it happen. But turns out - you can't transform a tick into a Magus. lol.

[m1thr0s]

I can never figure out how they know.It's a light thing my dear. The annoying thing is that moths can see it when others seemingly cannot...you don't want to hook up with any moths if you can avoid it...they're rather messy little buggers...slugs with wings essentially...cats are good at detecting it by the way...there's an actual light spectrum going on of some kind here. Mousers don't seem to be as good at this as Birders...something about being wired to birds seems to make these cats more receptive to these energies...color...motion...shadow...I'm not sure what it is.

I've been looking for someone - a Magus I guess - for a long time. Being in the right place is always good but you know...nothing is ever certain. Bear in mind that most real Magus's are too intelligent to call themselves this and may not even think of themselves in these terms at all. Look to "reality creationists" in general. Your odds of finding a real Magus who actually calls himself one drops about 10,000% automatically. There is a paradox in this...it's an unfortunate situation. A non-realized Magus may be a very legitimate "reality creationist" but is still cut off from his own calling to a large extent.

edit: I have a materialization skill as well but it works differently than yours. Mine is a little rare but not unheard of. It's usually refered to as "eidetic projection" and it has to do with being able to force very abstract concepts into physical manifestation, usually in the form of symbols or glyphs of some kind and typically rather intricate. Sound like me? It is...for better or for worse I was born with a supersized dose of the stuff... Many inventors have this skill, sometimes very dramatically.

You'll need to do some investigating. The better you understand the talent the more effectively you will be able to train it. Many artists have these abilities. Michelangelo was able to "see" whole sculptures embedded in marble and he said so and even proved it many times over. People never paid much attention to his explanation and just regarded him as a very gifted scupltor. Which he was...but he was also a skilled materializer. Sometimes writers have this...it helps them to track their characters properly but there exists a danger with any "talent" that is not really understood properly...writers run the risk of being devoured by their own creations...the worlds they create can spill over and they can sometimes get stuck in them. One has to learn how to mediate these things or they can sometimes get out of hand.

m1thr0s

[feranaja]

Lucian, you have entered into dialogue with some of THE most accomplished, intelligent and - most importantly - principled - people in the occult world that I've encountered in 30 years or more, of exploration and study.

It's so sad that the occult is full of psychopaths willing to attack others on the flimsiest of grounds, but - we've PMed about that. I have never attacked anyone with my considerable occult knowledge and though many think I'm a fool for this restraint, I will NOT be made into the very thing I am opposed to. If someone killed my dog, I'd attack them. If someone takes credit for it after the fact at the same time proclaimng they're the soul of innocence ? I just hope they get back on their meds, and soon. I can rest assured everytime they tear a stocking they'll be blaming me, becases paranoia is an illness, and bullies think everyone is on their level - how pathetic is that?

I personally - and feel free to disagree - think its craziness to engage in any sort of magickal aggression unless absolutely necessary. For most of the people who sit around obsessing and attacking, I think that just being them is punishment enough, you know..."there but for the grace of the gods go I"?? BUT -a s Ive been reminded so vigorously in times past, if someone was breaking down your door with intent to kill you and yours, what would you do? I'd shoot to maim, but I'd still shoot. At a certian point, refusal to stand up for yourself becomes a pathological self martyrdom. Chesed and Geburah must balance.

Again - you have, as I said in PM, been very brave and open hearted in sharing this situation with us here. you couldnt come to a better place for support and mental clarity. If you've been wronged, you can rectify it but I stress, it must be with as little damage to your own integrity as possible. When my dog died unexpectedly last fall, some seriously ill "occult" individuals started rejoicing and claiming responsibility for my pain and the death of a good, innocent animal. My gut response was - OK! let's take these SOBS out. Then I relaized there is a vast difference between anyone who actually could kill my dog magickally and those who simply - disgustingly - enjoyed my pain. The fomer deserves my retribution and the latter, only my pity.

Claiminga thing is in now way the same as being able to do it. Please ground and center, and rememebr that. YOU, my reluctant Venusian friend, have far more ability than this prancing, phony, self aggrandizing, pathetic little person. BUllies are the lowest life forms of all in my opinion anid thats whats being done to you. Do not confuse magickal aggression with self defense! If you can actually do a thing you have no need at all to spew about it.

Get the job done and let 'em howl...

Discretion and discrimination, my dear - and keep yourself clean. I have a very good feeling that your hassles with Mr. Psycho are about to be greatly reversed. And dont even think about "teaching him a lesson" - people on that level cannot be taught, only restrained.

<more hugs - hugs are good>
fera

[Kuroyagi]

Yes, no need to worry too much. m1thr0s and Dragon analyzed it well: an efficient killer would never anounce his intention cause the element of surprise always outweighs any advantage one could gain from mental games and self-fulfilling prophecy and psycho- stuff (which is too fuzzy and inexact). Of course he hasnt killed anybody and if push comes to shove you are probably much better in this departement than he is, anyway. If you stay centred and relentlessly follow your goals/path or doing your thing then nothing can happen.

What he did was create some energy out of you, probably- but maybe you can reap what he has sown, yourself...if you are still worrying about it then one of the more inportant things is to transmute that worry into something beneficial: e.g. you could train your body or start new exercises, write a short story and "bend" it your way, or go to a doctor to fix some physical condition that you have worried about for some time, or even do something you perceive as good to an utter stranger...I know its a drag but if your worried you need to stay active for a time or at least to divert yourself: "ciao mamma guarda come mi diverto!", as Jovanotti sings ;).

But be that as it may since all has been said and good advice been given already, I can only add: good fortune to you! :)

[aniler]

Well if i understand the former postings correctly , and sigils are being used to attack you . Then for it to work you need to be informed . Let me explain , its actually a self fullfilling prophecy . You create a sigil and inform the target , which in this case would already feel bad . With its new knowledge of the sigil working in on them they would reinforce their bad feelings creating a downward spiral that can lead to disease or even suicide

This sort of magick is prevalent in Africa and also the south america's . As far as i know its not that well known in the western traditions . Last note i will add be glad to be rid of such a dweeb , sounds like someone ready for jail .

[Naomi]

[quote=Lucian;8450]You're right about being hounded by naiivette. Somehow they all seem to know this about me and it's like everyone that's ever gravitated towards me have done so just to take advantage of this. Just one after another. I can never figure out how they know.

Great insight there m1thr0s.

Umm Ever watch Inuyasha, the japanese series? Anyways there's this Shinto high priestess, Kikyo, and she dies and is reincarnated in the present day Tokyo as Kagome. Kagome, the reincarnation is naive, sweet and girlish and innocent, but still retains her powers which manifest strongly after she travels into the past and encounters Inuyasha, her infernal demonic lover from her lifetime as Kikyo. Kikyo, on the other hand, is strong, mature, jaded and capable and pretty ruthless, though also compassionate and wise.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

The most threatening thing to worry about is the personal contact thing. That has to be avoided and if it cannot be then you have to have other people involved so that nothing can happen without everybody knowing about it. That will almost always be enough to ward off anything of that nature. People who attack others with magick are cowards to the core. They don't want to risk being caught and jailed etc.

m1thr0s

I agree that this is the main threat. Magickal combat or attack falls under the rule "It takes two to tango" and so he can only succeed if you empower him to do so
I'd also say that this is as good a reason as any to begin practicing a martial art. I also agree about attackers being cowards. They do this because in reality they are weak and pathetic individuals who in reality get sand kicked in their faces, and rightly so.

[Copuldaemon]

Lucian, I have just discovered this thread and I do not have no advice to give or opinions about your situation.
All I want to say is:

A. this is one of the many reasons why I don't like to show my face in public.
B. I have had many a wierdo pm me at OF-Believe me, you wouldn't believe what some people have asked me.
C. This is typical of the occult/metaphysical community period.
D. Don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean no disrespect but although being on the computer seems safe, next time try going out you know. Look up get up groups and stuff you know.
the thing about mundane people is they are fun to mess with or poke fun at watching their limited lives because they don't know which end is up and ofcourse being the advaned person I'm assured you to be, they'd be razzle and dazzled by you-works for me kid.

I said razzle and dazzled, wtf,lol!

[Okazaki Castle]

You're going to need a real Magus at some point. Too damn bad I'm old enough to be your father or I might apply myself...I really am a Satanist and I really do have dangerous magickal weapons...oh well...

Well, never give up the game when the lady might be interested I always say... If, of course, you are too...

Age really is no barrier... not when you do immortality practices properly. On being Timeless in mind and perspective, you've got that one down pat already methinketh. On the physical side of things, well, one of the sexiest women I had an affair with was around 48 when I was just 22 (taught me some tricks too, which was quite impressive I thought at the time) but leaving aside such considerations, if you look, and are, physically 24... then where is the problem? If there ever was one to start with... Maybe I should update the immortality details I've released sometime. I really am serious about it working and being easy too... But the mind has to move along with the process, which is the trick really. Reality creation, as you said...

Now as for the Father-Daughter thing. That's kinky, to most women's minds deeply, deeply satisfying and attractive - as long as they can do it in a way which looks realitively safe and respectable. And I happen to have a friend who brought through that very gateway into this system, as a karmic pattern that we can all copy in terms of roles if we like...

Now, I ain't trying to matchmake here and don't really know where you both stand on this one... but if it is a possibility that both would like to explore - well then, seriously, why not?

Consider the option at least I'd say...

all the best both of ya!
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

rofl...Oazaki..you little ole match-maker you...

well, experience has its qualities, that's for sure...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Yes :yes: And I think some aspects at least of the relationship could work very well indeed... Definitely worth a potential shot at least, to my mind anyways. You both respect each other too, like each other, similarities in outlook, satisfy areas of each others' psyche which have gone unsatisfied in other, past relationships... and so on...

Not to intrude of course, and maybe something to take to PM, but perhaps Lucian would like to comment around this stage? I know I'm curious to see how this one will pan out...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[vulnera]

my offer to "break knees" still stands, lucian...

-sister-in-support

vulnera

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Yes :yes: And I think some aspects at least of the relationship could work very well indeed... Definitely worth a potential shot at least, to my mind anyways. You both respect each other too, like each other, similarities in outlook, satisfy areas of each others' psyche which have gone unsatisfied in other, past relationships... and so on...

Not to intrude of course, and maybe something to take to PM, but perhaps Lucian would like to comment around this stage? I know I'm curious to see how this one will pan out...

all the best,
Oazaki.

We're going to have to start calling you the "Agony Uncle" (no idea if that term makes sense to non-Brits, but what the hell).

[Okazaki Castle]

Nah, I just like some people and am good with my friends. As for m1thr0s and Lucian, well, some things need to be experienced or at leats gone thru or decided upon I'd say... Tend to pick up on the subtler currents below the surface, espec as regards potential partners adn attraction scenarios...

Plus, y'know, like and respect them both, so I'm kinda curious...

Don't give a damn about most people's personal lives, or their problems, usually anymore though (other than in a general way of 'society needs an overhaul')

Regards,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

of course...I never date on the first fuck you know...

a guy's got to have a few standards at least...

silliness...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

of course...I never date on the first fuck you know...

That's odd... I'm the same way!! :laugh:

Maybe Oazaki's on to something here...

lol. Aye. Silliness.

Age never stopped me. I have dated men much older than myself. The father-daughter "kink" seemed to be mostly their thing, though. There's a lot I could say about my own personal experiences with such a relationship, but it's probably best if I just leave it at that.

my offer to "break knees" still stands, lucian...

-sister-in-support

vulnera


Thanks, vulnera. Yeah - this is the guy I was telling you about. *sigh*

I wish it had been as simple as listening to my intuition and severing all ties at the first hint of trouble. Problem is that while I sensed it would be this way, I also sensed that I had to do it and see it through. I felt compelled.

I found an old journal entry when I wrote about this feeling, and I remember the day. I wanted to stop it that day because I saw everything that was going to happen down the road. I knew. I wanted to run, not walk away. But I was compelled to stay. Not by him, or even the negative behaviour patterns in me that he was triggering all over the place by being a tragic addict needing to be saved etc.

(I know myself well enough to be able to counter those tendencies pretty well usually. That's the main reason I always had my foot out the door at first. Getting to that point of self awareness took work and suffering.)

It's difficult to explain now. I felt doomed and unable to escape this fate. It's the weirdest thing...

Not that it matters now.

Anyway, never heard from his supposed underlings. Why am I not surprised?

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Age never stopped me. I have dated men much older than myself.

I heard that the perfect match age-wise is for the girl to be half the man's age + 7 years . Sounds a bit male-orientated, but I like it



Anyway, never heard from his supposed underlings. Why am I not surprised?

You just can't get good underlings these days

[Little Billy]

You just can't get good underlings these days

Will Hench for food.

Anyway, sounds like the jackass was all talk.

[Lucian]

You just can't get good underlings these days

Will Hench for food.

:laugh: :rofl: :laugh: :rofl:

[Little Billy]

:laugh: :rofl: :laugh: :rofl:


Hehe...looked like you needed a laugh.

Anyway, I read through part of the thread, especially the first post, and I have a thought on the subject.

In my line of work, physical violence is a very real issue. However, I rarely need to actually DO anything, because I have absolute confidence in myself, and it shows. People tend to think twice if you don't look worried.

I don't know squat about this magic stuff (yet), but it seems to me that the same principle would apply. If you don't show fear, he can't do a damned thing to you...and if he tries, kick 'im in the psychic nads. Based on what you've said, he's a punk. Show him some spine, and he'll go find an easier target.

[Lucian]

In my line of work, physical violence is a very real issue. However, I rarely need to actually DO anything, because I have absolute confidence in myself, and it shows. People tend to think twice if you don't look worried.

I don't know squat about this magic stuff (yet), but it seems to me that the same principle would apply. If you don't show fear, he can't do a damned thing to you...and if he tries, kick 'im in the psychic nads. Based on what you've said, he's a punk. Show him some spine, and he'll go find an easier target.

I actually did stand up to him. Which made him all worried. :laugh:

He started stalling for time, asking me why I was suddenly suicidal, was I at the end of my rope? Was I depressed? Was I provoking him out of some desire to end it all? Was I sure I wanted to do this? etc.

Basically I told him "bring it" and I called his bluff. Then he disappeared.

What a tool.

[Lucian]

I heard that the perfect match age-wise is for the girl to be half the man's age + 7 years . Sounds a bit male-orientated, but I like it

Wow... these guys were really robbing the cradle with me, then. Yikes.:laugh:

[Little Billy]

I actually did stand up to him. Which made him all worried. :laugh:

He started stalling for time, asking me why I was suddenly suicidal, was I at the end of my rope? Was I depressed? Was I provoking him out of some desire to end it all? Was I sure I wanted to do this? etc.

Basically I told him "bring it" and I called his bluff. Then he disappeared.

What a tool.

Jebus. It must have been like hauling off Darth Vader's helmet and finding Don Knotts under it.

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Anyway, this isn't exactly unusual. Most times, the ones that do all the threatening are just plain full of shit. Call them on it, they fold right up.

I gotta say, I love the passive-aggressive bullshit.

Him: "I'm going to kill you with my magic."

You: "It didn't work."

Him: "Are you okay? You sound depressed, is everything all right?"

This is part and parcel of the wife-beater mentality. Once control is lost, ie, no further fear is shown, he attempts to make you dependent again, by acting like he really cares about your feelings. If you take that as he presents it, *pop* another metaphorical shot to the kisser, next time he needs to feel like a real man.

Keep laughing at him. It's the only appropriate response.

[Lucian]

How about this...

Him: What about everything I taught you!!! All the magical knowledge I shared!

Me: You didn't teach me anything, and you don't have any magical knowledge.

Him: Insolence!!! I will prove my magical superiority to you by sending my teenaged henchwoman to attack you for me!

Me: Okay then.

Him: Rue the day!!!!! (prances off indignantly)

lol

[m1thr0s]

I gotta say, I love the passive-aggressive bullshit.

Him: "I'm going to kill you with my magic."

You: "It didn't work."

Him: "Are you okay? You sound depressed, is everything all right?"

so true...perfect cameo on these clowns...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I just ran into said henchwoman tonight on another forum by the way...I didn't ask her about any of this but from her general tone I'd say she never got her mission-impossible packet...or maybe it self-destructed in the mail, but in any case I don't think she knows anything about any of this...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

I just ran into said henchwoman tonight on another forum by the way...I didn't ask her about any of this but from her general tone I'd say she never got her mission-impossible packet...or maybe it self-destructed in the mail, but in any case I don't think she knows anything about any of this...

m1thr0s

Yeah - I suspected as much. I'm glad she wasn't really dragged into this.

I think his mention of this particular girl was meant to drive me mad with jealousy. :rolleyes:

I just said "Whatever. She can have you."

How much more pathetic can this get?

[Little Billy]

How much more pathetic can this get?

Oh, I betcha he can slither under all of the above with further hilarity.

[Little Billy]

Him: Insolence!!! I will prove my magical superiority to you by sending my teenaged henchwoman to attack you for me!


Him: Rue the day!!!!! (prances off indignantly)



1. Do his henchpeople have to wear jumpsuits, like in James Bond flicks? :rofl:

2. He seems more like a mincer than a prancer.

[Anibis]

I would have wagered for a slitherer or an oozer, certainly a stinker...
-Ibisis
No offence meant to all the stinky oozy slithery things I may happen to like, of course. Di I mention we have huge slugs around here?
-Ibisis

[Okazaki Castle]

Ah, excellent! Both parties agrees. :)

happy hunting!
Oazaki.