Who here has cursed or hexxed anyone?

[Copuldaemon]

I don't want to ask why, who was the target, or how I just want to know if you had succeeded and from that success what have you learned and or how do you feel about your cast in hindsight?

[Kain]

Well, it was all the trend for me in my teens although I thankfully grew out of that one fairly fast. Although it mostly worked, even though it was badly misdirected (from my current, more technically proficient point of view) this stuff was unnecessary and in most, if not all cases, an "overkill" of sorts based on rash and unfiltered emotional reactions and lack of self-discipline...in fact creating more bonds than those bonds it actually resolved by it's application. Sure, some cases needed some nudges, but I have come to see that the "nudges" that need to be brought about are brought about even unconsciously (and much more precicely) if one's subtle system is functioning with sufficient alignment, so what I have eventually learned is that so-called "curses" do of course work if one knows how to handle them, although in most cases one should know better than employ them.

The Left Hand Path is based on the premise of Self Deification, thus I have come to feel that one's main effort should be directed on internal development rather than revenge, because the things that need to be settled, will be settled out of the potency of sheer alignment if one attends to it.

This is just my personal viewpoint concerning curses however...

Kain

[m1thr0s]

yeah...same here. these days I channel everything through the TwinStar or anything of approximate altitude and intelligence. Too many of these "targets" only really serve to drag your own ass down with them if you let yourself be drawn into their spheres of influence. Before you attack a target it's a good idea to stop and visualize it as standing roughly 2 centimeters tall (about an inch), since this is very often the way it actually is on any kind of higher plane of energy. If you still really feel like it's especially urgent to crack out your heavy guns to deal with it, then do whatever you have to do. In most cases you will conclude that it's actually not quite that important.

But there is a lot to be said for attacking from your highest house and then walking clean away from it after that. In this way, if it really is a threat, something is almost sure to happen, but if it has been weighed and found insignificant at that level of your own being, then probably nothing will really come of it. It's too bad really that more people aren't keyed into this way of doing business. It's actually an extremely efficient modus operandus and totally cost-effective.

The old adage "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" is actually a technical instruction, but it has been misinterpreted to mean that you should just forgive and forget and leave all the dirty stuff to God. That wasn't what it was supposed to impart at all...it's all about attacking from your highest vantage point...your highest "house" as I have called it. Only in this way can you really assess your target clearly.

m1thr0s

[Copuldaemon]

M1thros, I like the 2 centimeter point and kain, speak more on this allignment, I never heard of that one but it do sound interesting.

[Kain]

Well, m1thr0s has already breached the subject of alignment a bit deeper in the above post. I love the technical instruction "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" and it is indeed rarely identified as such although it is so true... also, attacking from one's highest vantage point, or "house" as m1thr0s prefers, is in fact the same essential concept with maintaining and always functioning through alignment with "God". I have been writing an article on this one for months, although I simply never like it enough and always revise it. Anyway...

Now, a little more on all that. The LHP approach, despite it's various and multiformed approaches, essentially boils down in the utilization of the Divine Nature within Man. Also, despite what may be said, this guideline can also be taken like a very literal technical instruction in one's work, namely that an alignment with and connection to Divinity can be established from Man Himself, through the tapping of one's inner, and in fact inherent, potential. This higher correspondance of oneself is indeed Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent, and the manifestation of such a force depends purely on our ability to trace, link with and convey this deeper Intelligence to the lower planes successfully. It is the root of all Power, and alignment with it is the key to such Power and Knowledge. Being higher, and being a deeper level of Personal Intelligence, it also possesses a more clear and informed view towards Life in general, being able to identify the important things and to act swiftly and powerfully upon Necessity, always tending towards self betterment and functioning through the "Motivated Self-Interest" principle, which is in fact everywhere we look within the LHP. Thus, this deeper aspect of our consciousness and intelligence, in fact possesses both the knowledge and the means to carrying out immense acts of Power if we successfully attend to it's better realization, mutual resonance, and correct conveyance to the lower planes and everyday consciousness mode. It acts where it needs to act, and lets things go when they are in fact too insignificant for the greater Being (that oneself aspires to becoming and incorporating) to be concerned with. Thus, by attending to one's own Godhead at all times, and keeping a good alignment with it, one can always see and act from that highest of vantage points, providing deep discerning Vision which cuts through the trivial imbalances the lower everyday consciousness mode may be experiencing, and simultaneously all-accomplishing Power towards all actual instances that one needs to act against.

Thus, "Man is God" is taken as a foundational fact in this approach. And a Man that is God should also behave like one, not taking offence in stupid and time-consuming quarrels that in fact manage to only drag oneself down with them rather than elevate the person engaging in them. So it's all a matter of economy in the end, or "Maximum Inertia-Minimum Stress" as has been previously said. By adhering to the Alignment itself and by taking action and always seeing things through the viewpoint of the highest vantage point or "house", one can never go wrong and also has innumerable more chances of success in all life endeavors. Thus, knowing when to Fight and when to Ignore is also a factor...in fact a factor relating deeply to both Power and Divinity...

Kain

[m1thr0s]

another factor in this...one difficult to convey...is that we are all on the same essential hook which means we all share the same essential responsibility. We can deal with that however we please at whatever rate we please but we are all on the same hook nevertheless. Magickal self-defense invokes higher laws of Nature itself and there are laws of Balance and of Imbalance...both accessable to human beings. It is only the laws of Balance that allow you to assert retribution without setting you behind in your path but you have to remain unattached to specific outcomes for them to work correctly. The laws of Imbalance allow for a higher degree of specificity, but they will also take their pound of flesh come hell or high water and this is non-negotiable.

The Magus is entitled to defend himself on the basis of his work, moreover. That which obstructs him in his work has no Universal license to do so and since all people are on the same "hook", we are all supposed to be attending to the same work as he is...not the same form necessarily...but the same essential work itself. Thus the Magus can evoke the Rule of Equilibrium, he can call down the same heat upon himself and his enemy and whoever is left standing is the one who had any right to be standing in the first place.

m1thr0s

[Kain]

another factor in this...one difficult to convey...is that we are all on the same essential hook which means we all share the same essential responsibility. We can deal with that however we please at whatever rate we please but we are all on the same hook nevertheless. Magickal self-defense invokes higher laws of Nature itself and there are laws of Balance and of Imbalance...both accessable to human beings. It is only the laws of Balance that allow you to assert retribution without setting you behind in your path but you have to remain unattached to specific outcomes for them to work correctly. The laws of Imbalance allow for a higher degree of specificity, but they will also take their pound of flesh come hell or high water and this is non-negotiable.

The Magus is entitled to defend himself on the basis of his work, moreover. That which obstructs him in his work has no Universal license to do so and since all people are on the same "hook", we are all supposed to be attending to the same work as he is...not the same form necessarily...but the same essential work itself. Thus the Magus can evoke the Rule of Equilibrium, he can call down the same heat upon himself and his enemy and whoever is left standing is the one who had any right to be standing in the first place. A great description and one I couldn't agree more. Thanks m1thr0s, to the point as always.

Kain

[Radiant Star]

Never cursed or hexed but there was someone rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way a while back; kept shooting off from the mouth and I thought I might ask for a little help from an entity with dealing with it.

By some coincidence, the next day it was dealt with. Of course, I really wanted to believe I had caused it but actually, no I didn't, this would have happened quite naturally without any interference from anyone. Which brings me to the point that most of what concerns us doesn't need any hexing or cursing; events will take their course and we have little need to waste our time and energy on this kind of activity.

The other thing is that it hasn't changed this person much at all and that seems to me to be another good reason why hexing and the like is a waste of time; what we often want is for someone else to change and I think probably that a minor blip or inconvenience caused by a hex or something is usually short-lived unless you go over the top and kill them.

[VenusSatanas]

Yes it is entirely possible to bring the downfall, or at least bring hardship into another persons life using black magicks.

I have used several different methods to be rid of an enemy in my life. One particular method involved creating a psychic link between a person who was normally self restained but who had the potential to be reactionary, and my enemy target. The tension built between the two until my enemy finally got her ass beat and then got fired. The whole process took 2 weeks. I enticed someone else to do my dirty work using a psychic link, empathy and bolstering thier weaknesses until it caused a reaction!! And i sat by and watched the whole thing unfold before my eyes like magick.

Then Kain Mentions this, which is an excelent point to bring up :
Thus, by attending to one's own Godhead at all times, and keeping a good alignment with it, one can always see and act from that highest of vantage points, providing deep discerning Vision which cuts through the trivial imbalances the lower everyday consciousness mode may be experiencing, and simultaneously all-accomplishing Power towards all actual instances that one needs to act against.


And how is this state of awareness and being achieved? Mostly through a process of self-introspection, and a detachment from the things that do not allow (spiritual) progress. Kain mentons "trivial imbalences"..this means to me that there are things like emotions (jealousy, anger) and motivations (greed, desire) that impede the spiritual progress of one's life. Yeah, these things are a part of human nature. To a magickan, they are tools.

Reaching this state comes only with time, self-realisation and Focus. A determination to seperate your emotions from your intent may be necessary as well. (If you involve personal emotion and reasoning into black magick spellcasting its easy to get caught up in it, obsessed, and be weakened).

This seperation between what you cast, and your true intent, is what allows
you to rise above the mundane consciousness of the world around you. I avoid the trap by removing things in my way that hinder my progress or upset the balence of what I am trying to achieve. My personal interests are hardly ever considered, beyond the maintenence of balance.

Look into the weaknesses of your enemy. This includes drug habits, personality flaws and disorders, mental issues, ect. "I am my own worst enemy" is the classic axiom which describes this situation, and as a magickan, these tools are readily available to you, for your use. I have an article that I wrote, describing a method of extracting details of an enemy's life, using a regular tarot deck. By using a tool like divination, more layers can be peeled back revealing secrets on how to manipulate someone like never before.. Let me know if you would like me to post that article.



VenusSatanas

[Sibylle]

Great answers and explanations, Kain and m1thr0s! And of course you are right, Radiant Star, that things take care of themselves. In the end, I believe that what happens is exactly what is supposed to happen.

[feranaja]

At some point, isnt a vigorous defense a form of attack anyway? The idea of sending back whats been thrown at you, but intensified, seems like a way of attacking but still being able to say you're not. This is something thats been bugging me a lot lately. I think when youre being attacked, you HAVE to throw it back extra hard and get it to stop. Otherwise you get worn out defending (at the same time they get worn out trying to hurt you) and nobody wins.

I hope I dont sound "holier-than-thou" on this topic because I dont want to attack or aggress at all, ever, especially not over trivial things. BUt if there is cause, I mean if someone breaks in my house I WILL give the dogs room to roam, you know? If someone was attacking my loved ones physically of course I'd shoot to stop them. But when being attacked if you hurl it all back three fold, tenfold, isnt that a backhanded attack? Thats more like shooting the burlglar and then taking out his family, too...

It may be deserved and all - Im not questioning that, just whether 'Im being a hypocrite to say "I dont attack" when I mean, I dont attack first.


fera

[Sibylle]

Ordinarily I'd say that defense is not attack, but when you mention throwing it back intensified, there's room for interpretation. A person could be the type to just wait for an opportunity to attack - the kind of person who is looking for trouble. If such a person says, "I don't attack", I think they have a bigger problem than being a hypocrite.

A strong defense may be necessary, but if the aim is justice and protection, I don't see it as an attack.

Retaliation is a different matter. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

[Pagan39]

Remind me not to get on your bad side,Venus....
I only attack when attacked but I dont even like the amount of energy that takes....I am trying for the vedic pinnacle of letting it all pass through but I still get triggered...just havent reached that everest yet...the day I do is the day I am free so I guess in some ways I must like my chains....

[Ratatosk]

Just to add my 2 cents:

In my view (indeed, in the Norse world view) the action of curse, retribution, vengeance, etc, is not necessarily "bad" (counter-productive, backwards-moving, growth-stunting, etc) - nor is the act of blessing, kindness, forgiveness necessarily "good" (productive, advancing, growth-inducing, etc). In every instance there are any number of factors which must be weighed.

Would the slaying of Adolph Hitler in 1932 have been a "good" thing or a "bad" thing? Well, the perpetrator would certainly have gone to prison for murder and it would (no doubt) have been viewed by society at that time as being a "bad" thing. But if that person knew what we know now, and was willing to "pay the price" I think the greater good done by this act would certainly have to outweigh any negative backlash.

I think most times I would have to agree with m1thr0s and Kain: it just isn't usually worth bothering with. Sometimes, however, you just have to cull the herd for the good of everyone else (including yourself.)


On a specific instance: our daughter was barely 14 when an adult male (can you say pedophile?) had helped her to run away by taking her out of state. As soon as we found out who it was she was with, and where she was located, we both threw a bind-rune at him. I won't go into specifics of the sigil, but it couldn't be seen as anything but a curse. We both threw the same sigil at the same time, without consulting the other (that was a laugh afterword - in unison "guess what I did?!") and invoked the justice of Tyr (which is not recommended unless your own shit is in order!). Results: a gang of bikers found out he was a "baby raper" and "took care of him" out in the desert. That's the last we heard of him, and our daughter was returned safely to us. Backlash? none.

[Pagan39]

Ratatosk,that was clean work and when you think of the power of not one but two enraged parents working individually yet simultaneously (how was that!) that is an enormous amount of thrust.I like it and that is one thing that is definitely worth the energy.
And yes he is a paedophile legally...underage sex with a minor its called over here.Ethically too in my books.

[feranaja]

I just wonder how much of this is so cut and dried.

I've been in the situation of being lied about, attacked, vilified and made into some sort of a monster because I inadvertantly pushed someones buttons just by being me. I may not be perfect but hey, I'm not a bad person.
I've put up with tihs until a line was crossed and then I said; ok, enough is enough and I struck back. Returning the hate that had been sent. These were not people I hated, but who hated me. Does this make me somehow culpable?

Its a serious question. I wanted these people off my back, but I didnt want to regress to some lower level of evolution in the process of setting them straight.

fera

[Kazahel]

I hope I dont sound "holier-than-thou" on this topic because I dont want to attack or aggress at all, ever, especially not over trivial things. BUt if there is cause, I mean if someone breaks in my house I WILL give the dogs room to roam, you know? If someone was attacking my loved ones physically of course I'd shoot to stop them. But when being attacked if you hurl it all back three fold, tenfold, isnt that a backhanded attack? Thats more like shooting the burlglar and then taking out his family, too...

It may be deserved and all - Im not questioning that,
But why dont you question that? Like.. how do you know for sure your being attacked in the first place? Especially if your saying its in deserve of 'taking out his family too'.. if thats what you meant?.. I wasnt sure.


Its a serious question. I wanted these people off my back, but I didnt want to regress to some lower level of evolution in the process of setting them straight.
fera But what is setting them straight? Like setting them correct in your opinion.. is that what you mean?

I've been in the situation of being lied about, attacked, vilified and made into some sort of a monster because I inadvertantly pushed someones buttons just by being me. I may not be perfect but hey, I'm not a bad person. I've seen people glorying, I mean reveling like pigs in shit, over my personal pain because they had the self righteous arrogance to think I deserved unendurable pain on the grounds: they dont personally like me.

I've put up with tihs until a line was crossed and then I said; ok, enough is enough and I struck back. Returning the hate that had been sent. These were not people I hated, but who hated me. Does this make me somehow culpable?
Hey you sound just like me. Like honestly.

[feranaja]

Hi Kazahel...Well in answer to your thoughtful questions, I think that... 1) who deserves what is so subjective. People can do all sorts of shit and then cross a line. That line is a different one for you and for me, but we all have things we hold sacred.

EDIT: I prefer not to discuss actual examples here.

fera

[feranaja]

" But what is setting them straight? Like setting them correct in your opinion.. is that what you mean?"


Sorry Kaz I meant to address this too in my original post.

Opinion/subjectivity is a scary, nebulous thing. I dont like to deal in that arena. I like the expression "You're entitled to you own opinion, but youre not entitled to your own facts".

If someone launched a campaign of aggression aagisnt me, then said I did it it to them? theyre a fucking liar, simple as that. Theres opinion, sweetie - and then there's fact.

We may not like that facts exist but...they do.

fera

[Ratatosk]

Ratatosk,that was clean work and when you think of the power of not one but two enraged parents working individually yet simultaneously (how was that!) that is an enormous amount of thrust.I like it and that is one thing that is definitely worth the energy.
And yes he is a paedophile legally...underage sex with a minor its called over here.Ethically too in my books.

Actually, we didn't undertake any action until after the rage had passed and we had settled into a careful and thoughtful action. As I mentioned before, one doesn't invoke that sort of energy unless one is certain that his or her own house is absolutely in order. And yes, it was clean.

[Kazahel]

If someone launched a campaign of aggression aagisnt me, then said I did it it to them? theyre a fucking liar, simple as that. Theres opinion, sweetie - and then there's fact.Is that really a fact though or just something you think is a fact? Like if someone 'launched a campaign of aggression' against you then they mustve had reason or something.. which maybe you are over looking because they dont fit in with what you claim as 'facts'. I like this quote though.. "You're entitled to you own opinion, but youre not entitled to your own facts". I like that. :)

Also please dont call me sweetie in the way that you have... I found it all came across as quite aggressive... But that might be because I am usually hypervigilant and Im trying to deal with that issue. :dull: *sigh* So I'm like that..

If you decide you have no moral center, no dignity - no restraint, then dont expect to be treated with any back. Clear enough? Well kinda clear... but I dont understand how you can think you can understand others as well as you seem to assume you do. How can you say one decided to have no moral center, no dignity and no restraint, as if you actually know that person? It's that which I find strange. And I also find it strange to set the example so to speak in that way. So to teach these things you value you treat them the opposite or teach them what they already know. Which seperates you?..


We may not like that facts exist but...they do.

feraBut what are the actual facts in this regard?.. How do you know they are 'facts' and not just yours or others opinions? Like if you dont have the full story how can you have all the facts?

Which is why I rarely use magick against others. If I do, I send it to God to work out and if He wills it, so be it.

[feranaja]

I dont intend to defend myself here Kazahel. We're discussing curses and hexes and I think its fair to say when one has been on the receiving end one can become defensive. Did my attackers have a reason? Well one person attacked me years ago because I refused to go out with him. I dont think thats a valid reason. Not liking what I do for a living or the fact I'm Canadian isnt good reason either. Trying to ruin someones' life over trivia like a message board disagreement is just psychotic in my opinion. End of story.
feranaja

[Kazahel]

I dont intend to defend myself here Kazahel. We're discussing curses and hexes and I think its fair to say when one has been on the receiving end one can become defensive. I'm sorry if you feel on the defensive.. I was just kinda going along with your question earlier.. about being culpable...
I just wonder how much of this is so cut and dried.

I've been in the situation of being lied about, attacked, vilified and made into some sort of a monster because I inadvertantly pushed someones buttons just by being me. I may not be perfect but hey, I'm not a bad person.
I've put up with tihs until a line was crossed and then I said; ok, enough is enough and I struck back. Returning the hate that had been sent. These were not people I hated, but who hated me. Does this make me somehow culpable?

Its a serious question. I wanted these people off my back, but I didnt want to regress to some lower level of evolution in the process of setting them straight.

fera Which is why I asked about setting them straight and what exactly that was. To see if it makes you culpable.

Did my attackers have a reason? Well one person attacked me years ago because I refused to go out with him. I dont think thats a valid reason. Not liking what I do for a living or the fact I'm Canadian isnt good reason either. Trying to ruin someones' life over trivia like a message board disagreement is just psychotic in my opinion. End of story.
feranaja Did your attackers give you their reasons on why they attacked you... Did you actually talk to them? Anotherwords it might be a different story to those you have just used as your examples. They might have different 'facts'.. which is why your quote is pretty cool "You're entitled to you own opinion, but youre not entitled to your own facts".

But when being attacked if you hurl it all back three fold, tenfold, isnt that a backhanded attack? Thats more like shooting the burlglar and then taking out his family, too...
It may be deserved and all - Im not questioning that,
And this was why I wondered 'how do you know for sure your being attacked in the first place? Especially if your saying its in deserve of 'taking out his family too'.. if thats what you meant?.. I wasnt sure'.

I mean you have just said that someone deserves to have their family taken out and I was wondering what could be so bad as to think that is justified. And I was wondering if that then makes you any better for doing so?

[Pagan39]

Trying to ruin someones' life over trivia like a message board disagreement is just psychotic in my opinion. End of story.
feranaja

People who send hexes or curse people over a message board disagreement are complete losers.They actually do that...unbelievable.I'd better watch out then......lol
And whoevers sending that penguin can nick off

[Kazahel]

People who send hexes or curse people over a message board disagreement are complete losers.They actually do that...unbelievable.I'd better watch out then......lolIn away you have just done that.. you have kinda cursed 'those' people by calling them 'losers'.. Because you disagreed.. with what you read on a message board... If that makes any sense. I look at curse words and words of that effect as cursing.

But in regards to what you quoted...

Trying to ruin someones' life over trivia like a message board disagreement is just psychotic in my opinion. End of story.
feranaja'

I agree.

[Pagan39]

In away you have just done that.. you have kinda cursed 'those' people by calling them 'losers'.. Because you disagreed.. with what you read on a message board... If that makes any sense. I look at curse words and words of that effect as cursing.


Thats a very salient point you make,Kazahel,and one I wasn't sure to bring up because I thought the thread was about hexes\curses based on intent and ritual.
However you are right,calling a person a 'loser' or another negative epithet has the same energetic effect as a curse...maybe not as strong...it depends on the intent.
A lot of people get away with some very ugly behaviour because they do not want to understand this basic premise.The work of Masuro Emoto on the effect of negativity and positivity on water molecules bears this out.
Namaste
Pagan

[feranaja]

my vet feels that if his intent isn't clearly focused when he is administering a drug, the effects are likely not to be as potent. Interesting to see a man of science who understands this. He uses something called neural therapy which involves injecting homeopathics into the spinal area and he focuses deeply while doing it, often with remarkable results. This isn't a hex or curse type siutation of course but it shows the value of intent and I've tried to apply it in my own life, even when i take my supplements I stop and think about that they do.

A person who was staying with me a while ago was driving me fairly crazy with certain attitudes and behaviours and I found myself thinking judgemental and negative things - not actually saying them, but they were in there, affecting me. I decided to either ask him to leave or adjust my attitude to see his better aspects more emphatically. I focused on various things I liked and let the dislikes go...I didnt notice a change in his behaviour...but I sure felt better...
:)
fera
PS - my apologies if I came off as strident last night. Nothing angers me more than seeing anyone - not just myself - ganged up on or bullied, astrally, materially, anyway. If I sounded angry, I apologize. I am angry, but these incidents are in my past and what concerns me is not understanding my attackers, but disciplining myself to respond with dignity and self assurance, not anger outbursts. My main point was that I've never launched an assault, but I've fired back and fired hard when the need arose, and that may or may not be construed as an attack.

Normally I'm pretty laid back actually...lol
Plus, I had 2 bottles of bubbly egging me on...

[Kain]

Returning to the point about defensive and offensive approaches made a while back, I should point out that attending to Alignment as a first priority is not a defensive stance by any means. In fact, it is a stance that manages to pull the strongest of attacks and sturdiest of defenses in a single action, and that is due to it directly tapping to the abilities and nature of a higher aspect of oneself, and thus to the attributes of a higher Plane as well. It is purely defensive or "inactive" only in the eyes of very narrow "action-reaction" perspective, and that is in fact due to the fact that this maneuver dwells outside of this scope of interraction, dealing with situations and "equalizing" them in a much broader and universal sense. Like always, the effects will vary depending on the direct resonance one can maintain with such a principle, however the important and very interesting thing that occurs is that this principle acts back without an actual "reaction" of sorts on the practitioner's case, functioning in the level of evoking and applying the "Rule of Equilibrium" that m1thr0s mentioned earlier, a "paradox" of sorts (from a "lower" physical perspective) that acts, while remaining non-oscillatory in itself. This is due to the fact that we are approaching underlying Unity through a setting of apparent Differentiation (or Duality) although that's for another time I think.

Kain

[Copuldaemon]

"The old adage "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" is actually a technical instruction, but it has been misinterpreted to mean that you should just forgive and forget and leave all the dirty stuff to God. That wasn't what it was supposed to impart at all...it's all about attacking from your highest vantage point...your highest "house" as I have called it. Only in this way can you really assess your target clearly."
-M1thros, I see what you mean and like it.

Venus, I love your posts as always and yes, I would like for you to post it if it's not already on your site in which I will find out in six.

As for anybody else, I really don't want to sound like a dick but I had specifically wanted to hear from people who had gotten dirty doing a curse, not add their personal thoughts of right or wrong or to compliment another person who fancy a like view or to have verbal jousting.

I only want to hear from people who have done it, what they had learned and that's it. Not why or who, where or how unless they want to share that.
Why? Why not.

And now my thoughts on the subject: Frankly, I don't give a damn if my target get's gangraped and or dies which is the same attitude into action I'd have for justifying trying to kill someone physically. That is the crede, that is my way so that is to say if I want to hurt you within my reason, and the route is through my artes, then so be it. I wouldn't look back, I wouldn't have a change of heart and I wouldn't consider the outcome. No Mercy! But i can also say that all the time I would like to think about taking out of my life to ponder such a deed because in most cases, it's easier to go and blatantly argue with a person then to perform magick which is wrisky and dangerous. So you had to of done something really wrong to me and be in a position that jeopardizes my well being or health or somebody elses for me to not confront you directly and I'm a laid back person.
As for believing in it not being worth it, I DISAGREE. It seems to me that some of you have been disciplined in a path that is beyond human consciousness bordering outer god-like consciousness where human emotion is all trivial. So is taking a crap or cumming on a fine piece of ______ but there's heaven within each.
Does it work, or have I done it; YES. Directly and indirectly. I think ritual is way of focusing what is already inherent in I to bring about what I want which is to Destroy the f--ker.
But for the most part, I'm just like the rest of you, just a joe on the go, trying to get mines, have a good time, drink, laugh, flirt, unwind.

Oh, I posted this question because I'm curious to know about the ones weathered in this.
Also another thing, I've read somewhere on here from someone about not being emotional or to separate oneself from being emotional to the intent. I disagree, because unless I don't understand, emotion is the fuel to the fire and the oxygen that spreads it. Speaking for myself, without emotion any ritual work is just dead and I can't be impotent in any working.

M1thros, how does one align themselves with their god?-this is interesting.

[Kazahel]

Well I have cursed only a few times because it just seemed like what to do at the time. I'll share one because its a cool story.. The first time I was about 18 and I was in the doctors getting a test done. Anyway he asked if it was hurting(which it was)but I said no because I figured it was almost over.. anyway he then made it hurt even more and as he did he gave a very slight smile and kept doing it. Now that really made me mad and it was just so wrong and I couldnt move or do anything, so I focused on him and thought about my angels over my shoulders. I wished the black one to get him if what he did was for his own fun.. like I basically asked God to send my angel to get him if it was deliberate. Like I really thought it hey and pushed it into him kinda. I know that sounds silly maybe but anyway, when I went back to get my test results only about 4 days later I had to get them from a different doctor, because the one that I had seen had been shot during a house call by an old guy who went crazy and thought he was cheating on his wife. So he shot him twice and killed the doctor. I had seen it on the news the night before but I wasnt sure it was the same doctor until I went to get my results.

So yeah that one felt very successful and I guess what I learned was alittle more faith... and that God thought he was being a sly doctor too. Or something like that. So I've never felt bad about it.

[Amur]

Did make a curse on Mcdonalds when in a special Solar Child state. The interesting part was what it learned lol. Next time at McDonalds I got a very shitty treatment along with a very shitty meal lol and started wondering about it. Now later on I've come to the conclusion that cursing someone is atleast for me like shooting myself in the leg, especially if I am Pure Consciousness, which is also everything in this existence lol. So I started thinking that instead of cursing, one could make somekind of love-agreement where one manifests the needed lessons to the entity to learn from. This way both will evolve.

[Kuroyagi]

There is only one thing that I resent: those human beings that just cant realize that they themselves are not the most intelligent persons, that there are others who are simply less stupid than themselves. (Thereby I mean any form of intelligence also social and physical and creative): I mean really understanding ones inferiority and not only more or less hypocritically or grudgingly admit it while not believing it at all. But this is impossible, for only the fairly intelligent can have this insight, the really stupid can never never have it- else they would be intelligent.

I know it may be an imaginative stretch to connect above paragraph to this topic but if you succeed in doing this you will understand why anyone would attack another and why attack and revenge is potentially and actually never necessary at all. Maybe its arrogant but consider it a koan or something…

(To answer the question: never. I have only done what was necessary and am too busy or have better things to do (ike: doing nothing) than to curse anyone.)

[Copuldaemon]

I started thinking that instead of cursing, one could make somekind of love-agreement where one manifests the needed lessons to the entity to learn from.

Amur, I think I understand because I've made those kind of arrangements with the daemonic throughout my life but unlike them and with humans, unfortunately, I'd have to say that some people just take-take-take and hand out bad stuff because either they think you're weak, or they just don't give a damn and they're bad and sometimes, you have run them over with your caddy-F tooting your horn but different things for different peoples.

[Copuldaemon]

There is only one thing that I resent: those human beings that just cant realize that they themselves are not the most intelligent persons, that there are others who are simply less stupid than themselves. (Thereby I mean any form of intelligence also social and physical and creative): I mean really understanding ones inferiority and not only more or less hypocritically or grudgingly admit it while not believing it at all. But this is impossible, for only the fairly intelligent can have this insight, the really stupid can never never have it- else they would be intelligent.

I know it may be an imaginative stretch to connect above paragraph to this topic but if you succeed in doing this you will understand why anyone would attack another and why attack and revenge is potentially and actually never necessary at all. Maybe its arrogant but consider it a koan or something…

(To answer the question: never. I have only done what was necessary and am too busy or have better things to do (ike: doing nothing) than to curse anyone.)

Well, I am more earthly and here in the "do for self, do now to ensure alter" sense than striving to be the highest of the high or one with my divine consciousness. I know I'm intelligent (for lack of better word) but idle intelligence is dangerous and useless. That's probably not why you'd put the above paragraph above but that's my take on it. I don't know what a koan is.

Thanks for answering.


Perhaps, I wasn't fully aware of what I was asking days ago for me to state now, cursing or hexxing is something serious and perhaps when I was typing this out, I had the traditional, ceremonial, parchment paper, familiar carrying task to the four winds scenario which had died when learning of these easier, mental and sly way of being deadly wiht instantaneous results but none the less, the reason for doing something like that is serious and therefore not EVERYBODY has done it or have it in them to want to do it.

Believe me, a while back, I scoffed at the idea, upholding my sense of right or wrong but even when I learned that right and wrong is totally subjective for the most part, I learned that I was holding on to such concepts to keep myself together, not to let the beast out, that what I had worked hard to find, carve and sculpt would be destroyed by the beast and I would loss myself by the wayside but then I had to discover that I like samael and lilith, must unite, confront and not conquer my bestial self but learn and work together in order to SURVIVE.
Some of you have high morals, or high theories or theories back with techniques, some of you I respect, some I envy and others I ignore but for me, I say that some people may think it's worthless and what not while their enemies who don't will succeed if going that route because they're dilligent in doing so.

It's like being in a well guarded fortress with state of the art weaponry, and you might have somebody who's in a loincloth and a pocket knife trying to get you. You don't fret because you think you have all the corners covered but do you? Don't be surprised if mr. loincloth sneaks in and cut your throat when you're sleep. I guess in some cases, knowledge and ideology isn't enough when compared to the blunt simplicity of will, no matter for life or death.
But enough of this post midnight banter.
I would love to hear from anyone else who's willing to share.

-I got gas:eek:

[Ci Celli Ddu]

A couple of notes:
Karma The best way to hex someone whilst maintaining as it were a karmic objectivity is to "speed up" the target's own karma rather than make a personal attack
Personal attacks I once made the mistake of hexing a third person party, someone I had never met and could therefore not visualize. The result was that the second person party (a friend) received the full effects of the hex, which i subsequently had to remove. In the words of Homer Simpson: Doh!

On the whole I think that contemplating hexing someone is indicative that it's the time to take five and do something else, whether that be contemplation of the self or engrossing oneself in another activity.

[Kain]

A couple of notes:
Karma The best way to hex someone whilst maintaining as it were a karmic objectivity is to "speed up" the target's own karma rather than make a personal attack.This is a great point Ci Celli Ddu...very much connected with the evocation of the "Law of Equilibrium" and also with what has been relatively recently discussed elsewhere about bringing objects or people in direct contact with the Void (the "Eye of God" approach). The incineratory effect caused by this process brings about "reactionless" action, i.e. not adhering to the mechanical action-reaction of karma. A very interesting practice.

Kain

[Kuroyagi]

Well, I am more earthly and here in the "do for self, do now to ensure alter" sense than striving to be the highest of the high or one with my divine consciousness. I know I'm intelligent (for lack of better word) but idle intelligence is dangerous and useless. That's probably not why you'd put the above paragraph above but that's my take on it. I don't know what a koan is.Then dont be idle and look it up! (only would take you 5minutes...). No, youre basically right thats probably another topic, Im just not interested in cursing right now...but the accelerated karma approach that m1thr0s pointed me to, some time ago, seems quite efficient indeed. Of course I aim for the highest, but Im not prejudiced towards it: its just a fact that if you (in ACs terms) have found your true will (I dont like set-phrases but am too lazy to circumscribe it now), you will be able to tap into some power nothing can stand up to: I dont care if its called God or self or whatever and you wont be hit by lightning if you blaspheme against it. For me its a manifestation of my path or my art itself: Those who interfere with "me" in this respect will be "dealt" with (I have experienced this often). Its just an instrument one can "use" under specific conditions, one neednt even judge it ethically in any way. I suspect that this is some sort of ability everyone has and that comes into the light more and more frequently as our accelerated evolution carries us forth. (as an anology: if youre merely hungry or think: a burger would be nice right now then you better get one yourself but if you would otherwise starve then this power can be accessed more easily...thats what I meant but 'twas maybe OT...)...given certain situations cursing is neither bad nor evil. Yet very often its merely stupid and feeble (as Socrates put it: would you initiate a lawsuit against a donkey that kicked you?). Thats just my honest opinion based on my self-created morality...

[Naomi]

I'm a really nice person,...and I'm bad as shit. I 'm also good....good for the people around me because I destroy. It's what they need if I'm around. And maybe you think that I'm crazy or psychopathic saying that but afterwards people are smiling and laughing and feeling like themselves for the first time since they were a kid or even a baby.

And my god it's so gauche to just come out and say that. People will be like "What you are so arrogant and you know REAL gurus wouldn't say stuff like that!"

:rofl:

But it's true...because anyone has that ability! Originally everyone has it. Maybe they lose it or cut themselves off from it through self defeat or creation of blockades that shut down access to that power but it's there for everyone with a half a nano of the source left in them. ;)

:D

It's just the laws of the jungle.

And how does it feel? It's like the first time I went fishing and felt that fish bite the line. Those amazing threads that reach deep down into the waters of the abyss to ensnare the unaware and the unseeing and perhaps teach them a lesson they will value for the rest of eternity....


But you know, beings of light seem a bit more cold and ruthless than beings of darkness, in retrospect. So it's not a matter of morality. Death is a universal constant, everywhere.

We're all going to die though. It's so easy to create more misery without lifting a anatomical finger. Who can give back life though, and heal? That's a tough one too!

On a side not Copuldaemon it makes sense to me what you did to that women and the aftereffects....

You 'hollowed' her out and inserted a new meme into her, making her into a zombie sort of. Which is why she died when you left. She was totally qlippothic perhaps!

Kind of a guy thing, that, the insertion of new intellect. Us babes sort of just throw shit around. It's our ocean, and our playground after all. The guys just provide the sunshine filtering down.

[Lucian]

Well, the only thing really that bothers me about the woman cursed is this:

Copuldaemon didn't know who she was. Not really. He assumed he knew who she was, assumed he knew what she was thinking, and what her hang ups were. He cursed her based on his own perceptions, which might be and probably are totally skewed.

He saw her as this stuck up bitch who looked at him funny and wasn't nice to him. For me this would not justify a curse resulting in eventual death.

Maybe people that looked like Copuldaemon bullied her as a kid. Maybe she was brutally raped by someone when she was younger, and Copuldaemon reminded her of her rapist enough that she couldn't get over it. Maybe a family member beat it into her head that he was the sort of person she shouldn't trust. Or, maybe she wasn't really looking at him funny at all, and he's just ultra freaking sensitive about anyone maybe looking at him the wrong way.

I mean - people think I'm glaring hatefully at them all the time when I'm actually just deep in thought and not even paying attention to them.

There were all sorts of things that could have been going on with this woman.

Personally I think this particular curse was inappropriate. But I'm sure we live by different codes. I just would have done things differently.

(Probably by actually pulling her aside and talking with her like adults and asking her what her problem was - or if there even was one.)

My own thoughts on cursing in general?

There are times when it's absolutely called for. If I should ever find myself in such a situation I will do everything in my power to destroy my enemy and see to it that he/she suffers.

There are times when cursing someone over something petty only demonstrates your own emotional retardation or complete lack of perspective and understanding. Most of the people I know who like to talk about the bad ass curses they've cast are in many ways lacking real self awareness.

For instance: a guy creates a bad situation at the place where he is living through his own neurotic behaviour, which he projects onto his room mates, who become his scapegoats for everything bad in his life and who are out to get him, who he then curses into oblivion for not treating him well.

Now for what Copuldaemon is actually looking for: I've not made a conscious effort to curse anyone yet. I've never seen the need. No stories here.:dunno:

edit: This could, of course, be changing over the course of this year.

[feranaja]

I really agree with what Lucian has written here although we are venturing into an area of discussion somewhat different from what Copuldaemon is looking for. I just have to say I don't know what situation would really "call for" cursing someone? Going back to my original question; if you are the victim of repeated, vicious attacks - and they dont cause serious harm but they are sensed and present - are you justified in throwing it back so hard the other person gets seriously injured? I dont know. When I've been attacked - and nothing I've ever done in my entire life warrants some of the attacks I've survived - I usually just defend until they find a new scapegoat for their unresolved issues. In some cases I've had to step up the level so to speak so they HAD to stop.

but I like the sped-up karma thing, a lot. Recently someone did something to me SO vile, so low, that it had not only the desired effect on me, which was to incite me to hurl wrath their way - thus revealing my "true nature" - but that also had the effect of causing a ripple of disgust to go through the occult community and, ironically, reveal that person for what THEY really are. All I had to do was sit back and let them destroy themselves and as soon as I reacted I put myself on their level which assuredly, I am not. So what concerns me is, if any of us react when attacked, we put ourselves on the same level as the person who attacks US.

The Magus must be feared, fair enough -but if the Magus flips out over minor stuff, day to day stuff, or even the nasty stuff, are we really that powerful? Isn't self control and vision part of what makes one wise?

Now I don't waste time or energy attacking people for small things. I do however agree there may be places attack is warranted and I am thinking of a discussion Naomi and I had a while back regarding herbicide use in my rural environment- how do we decide? What's the criteria? I'm not about to attack anyone magickally for small things, I like white wine, they like red...or even, they think I'm a freak because I'm holistic and I love canines. But what if they are causing serious harm to others over greed? THREE children in my little community are facing cancer now - THREE, and there's like 50 people here in total. I don't know. This farmer has destroyed the local habitat in order to kill off some dreaded burdock and oatstraw. I believe he directly caused my beloved dog to die from a cancer that is documented to relate to herbicide exposure. Should I use reason, compassion, discussion first? And if that fails? STart a local group to ban herbicides? And THEN resort to magick?

The lower part of me wants to blow his head off, but that's my emotions, and I need to balance and control that with the intellect. Not easy when one is enflamed, but still - it's a goal worth striving for...

I'm asking these questions because they are important ethical issues and I really, truly do not know the answers.
Should I start a new thread?
fera

[Okazaki Castle]

I want to make you an aspect of God Fera, are you interested? Then you could design people's next incarnations for them... a neat way to teach them lessons and deliver payback or retribution... or rewards even, or mix the two...

What planes would interest you? I think you'd be pretty good on the astral plane for certain, plus w/e else draws your fancy...

bacci,
Seb/Oz.

[feranaja]

Oazaki, I just want to live and let live!! Seriously! Im a child of the sixties, I want to feed people, drink wine and jam, make music - and talk everything through! Can you help with that?

I'd really just like to not be so torn between wanting to blow people up and wishing I could enlighten or forgive them. It's the old Chesed/ Geburah thing. It's not easy for me to punish, I mean I'm a dog trainer and I NEVER use punishment! Can't people learn through positive reinforcement? Dogs sure as hell can! I NEVER punish my dogs and they can't wait to do what i ask them...

love, f

[Kazahel]

Kazahel, that was DOPE man/woman?-sorry, I didn't check the gender of your profilia but that is ...I like reading that. THank you for sharing that for real. I'm glad you liked it. I never had anyone to tell really because of the nature of the story and the test done. It seems like the best curses so far for me are the ones I cant really speak about.

I did another one once though.. maybe.. not that long ago when I was finding 'love' was being thrown in my face and used as like a weapon(I felt this person was using being married as his way to attack me).. Which I thought was pretty unloving basically. So I asked God to take away his wife alittle earlier so that he would understand and not attack me anymore(this was also after months of general harassment which I guess got to me).. Anyway she happened to die about four months later I think it was but I dont know any of the details. But it seemed timely considering. And after that he didnt throw his 'love' in my face again... in fact I dont know whats happened to him now. :dull: zzzzz

But yeah I agree with alittle of what Lucian said in that you never really know whats what(in regards to the situation of the other person), which is why I go through God if I do 'curse'... because He knows.. Which means there is no Karma for me.. because its all gone through God. And Gods laws are higher than the laws of Karma.

[feranaja]

This kind of crap turns my stomach and makes me question anything related to the "occult" - someone was in love with you kazahel so youre taking credit for killing his wife? God - deliver us all. Please.

you think you have God's special ear, do you?

Whjat scares me is people with so little understanding of anything thinking they "caused" this or that to happen.


fera

[Naomi]

Ok. I was taught by older and more experienced magicians to trust your instincts first and never try to get down on the level of someone beneath you. After all, I have had a hard life too but I am not so shallow that I judge the actions of one person just because they share a physical feature with a person who wronged me.

In fact what I was told verbatim when I questioned an elder on this matter was "Too bad...they crossed you. That's just how it is."

And Oazaki also has some words about this which are very good I think. Though at the moment I can't remember exactly what it was that he said about it that was interesting.

It's like cockroaches that eat your food. You don't say "Aww the poor little roaches are just hungry and trying to eat so they can lay their eggs." you put out glue traps or repellant.

In the grand scheme of things, one life of a person's is of very little consequence and a great deal of the time we are being beneficial when we destroy. Think about it. If someone is midway through their life and is actually degenerating and sinking into a place their soul doesn't want to go...who's to say we are not helping them by resetting their life? There are many other things you can do a to a person's true self that are really really terrible and far beyond the inconveniences of what many view as a horrible curse. These kinds of things are out of the reach of those who would use them in the wrong way.

For instance the counterweight measure comes to mind...or there's some really awful things you can set up with demons.

[Kazahel]

This kind of crap turns my stomach and makes me question anything related to the "occult" - someone was in love with you kazahel so youre taking credit for killing his wife? God - deliver us all. Please

Did I say that someone was in love with me? And did I say I was taking the credit? If I did I didnt mean to... I meant to make it clear that it all goes through God, so He really gets the 'credit' not me. :)


you think you have God's special ear, do you? I feel I'm pretty close to God if thats what your asking. I think I've even dreamt about walking with Him, but thats another story.


Whjat scares me is people with so little understanding of anything thinking they "caused" this ir that to happen. Pardon? Oh I see... I know nothing right? Is that what your trying to say? :rolleyes:

[feranaja]

You are saying you can make God do was you see fit. If thats a misunderstanding then ok, but it sure sounds like that.

A little theological sophistication will show that "God" doesnt pander to the needs or wishes of one individual. Are we in a monotheistic discussion here?

[Lucian]

NaomiChan - I do see your point.

Someone could have gotten so far from their path and failed to be what they were here to be, and crossed you precisely because you would curse them for it. I could see how such a thing would be likened to a mercy killing.

Hmm.

[Kazahel]

You are saying you can make God do was you see fit. If thats a misunderstanding then ok, but it sure sounds like that.


Yes you have misunderstood. I have not said anywhere that I can make God do what I see fit. I said I asked God, and I felt that He later had agreed with me because of the outcome.

So please try not to be so rude to me(meaning it wasnt needed).

[feranaja]

It isnt a question of rudeness Kazahel its an indignant response to what sounds like total arrogance.

I thin just ignoring your posts is a better reaction, really... for me.

[Kazahel]

It isnt a question of rudeness Kazahel its an indignant response to what sounds like total arrogance. Hey I just shared my story... you were the one who miss read it.

And after you typed this..Whjat scares me is people with so little understanding of anything thinking..
And you try to use the words 'total arrogance' against me. :rolleyes:

Which is pretty rude imo.

[Radiant Star]

Could the next poster get this back on track.

[feranaja]

Ok sweetie -we agree to disagree then!
cheers, f

[Copuldaemon]

Naomi-I don't know what a meme is but I like your interpretation of what'd happened because I'd never thought of that and yes, the shell aspect is something that I am aware of now thanks to meeting an empty at a job that I'd used to work at.
So far you and venus have really caught my vfancy in regards of this.:yes:

LUCIAN-you're mistaken. I didn't curse this lady. I didn't go to bed that night thinking about her nor was I thinking about her when I had gotten up and to say the least whatever ill feeling I had of her was repressed until that unintened moment (I think I have mentioned this in one way or another). I appreciate your assumptions but knowing what I know about that situation, you are off.


To me, cursing or hexxing is a ritualistic way of sending harm to somebody. But a curse and a hexxs are two different things to me.
I like to think that a Hexx is when you make someone have a couple of bad weeks (i.e. diarrhea at the wrong time, tripping and spilling hot coffee in the crotch of the VP etc.,) and cursing someone (which is the more serious of the two) is making sure that person have a hellish life and it could last up to their next carnations and it can spread to their friends and family.

Going off what I have defined, I have defined both. It' snot something that I am proud of because I'm not malicious but it was something that had to of been done.

Naturally, it's a big operation and the price is great and so the reasons for it was greater and trust that before I go that, it must be something that I have pain stakingly weighed over and over and over and over again. But that's the thing, usually when we're upset and want to react, we consider our options and by weighing them vs. the worth of it, we usually cool off and go about our lives. where as the opposite is true if the offense is great.

So far, except for a few people, I've read many opinions that deem the act not being worth it and so forth. I don't look down on anybody's view but why is it really such a bad thing? -that question is rhetorical.

I'd like to think the aspects of cursing or hexing is a situation that is between the caster and the victim.
But I can't sit back and scoff at what's petty or the reasons for doing such is petty because what might be petty to me might be valued by another and so forth.

What I find that is wrong is those people who are aware of their power or the hidden viel of things but use their power to control people for their own motives be it racial, sexual, or just being a pure dog. I have known of such a person and he never messed in the arts but I do suspect his mother being a worker but that's for another thread.

But in summary of this, perhaps to curse or to hexx is low. Well, I have no problem with that, I never wanted to ascend to the empirical heights, I am not cellestrial in the least bit and I work low sorcery. I like alot of low-level things, my head is on the ground, I deal with what in front of me the best way I know how and I always root for the under dog.

[Copuldaemon]

wow, i'm over here farting and sneezing listening to incantation, taking my time to edit my post and come back and see many people joiniing the discussion. happy is the toad.

[Kazahel]

Ok sweetie -we agree to disagree then!
cheers, f I think this is twice now where I've asked you to please not call me sweetie like that. But I guess you cant teach.. ah forget it.

I'm not sure how you got to agree to disagree... but basically... try actually reading my post properly before responding to them in future. Otherwise dont bother.

Thanks.

[Lucian]

LUCIAN-you're mistaken. I didn't curse this lady. I didn't go to bed that night thinking about her nor was I thinking about her when I had gotten up and to say the least whatever ill feeling I had of her was repressed until that unintened moment (I think I have mentioned this in one way or another). I appreciate your assumptions but knowing what I know about that situation, you are off.

Ah. Okay. Fair enough. I did make a few assumptions based on what I knew from your post. I was actually thinking about this after I had posted.

It just sounded like you perhaps thought of this dream as a sort of unconscious curse that turned out to be pretty effective.

Sorry if I came across as being 'holier than thou'.

But in summary of this, perhaps to curse or to hex is low. Well, I have no problem with that, I never wanted to ascend to the empirical heights, I am not cellestrial in the least bit and I work low sorcery. I like alot of low-level things, my head is on the ground, I deal with what in front of me the best way I know how and I always root for the under dog.

I think curses are just tools. Like guns. A gun isn't inherently low. It just is.

And really, people can go back and forth about whether or not cursing is worth it, good, bad, etc. but ultimately it's the guy with the gun who decides for himself.

I can see how cursing - even a curse bringing death - could be used for LHP purposes in much the same way as a new Satanist with a Catholic background would use the Black Mass. For someone like me, cursing someone for the sake of cursing would be an act of antinomianism and separation from society, cementing the concept of being above good and evil in my own psyche, etc.

So I guess it's pretty pointless to argue for or against it. It depends on what it does for the gunman.

[Copuldaemon]

I'm not taking sides here but kahazel, I see your point on how you feel cuz feranja, it seems that you are more RHP geared which is not bad but if really favore peace and life over chaos and death, why post on a LHP thread? Not that I pose the right to ask that but I am none the less, but out of curiousity but it's rhetorical. But can the both of y'all stop arguing on my thread!:laugh:
Btw, Kaz, I like the alien egg head luciferian orb thing.

lucian-believe it or not, you wasn't coming off like holier than thou, i's just taken back that you thought i did that intentionally, you know? i had to rectify the situation (in both senses,:laugh: )

I'd never considered cursing for the sake of cursing, it's like running up to someone and beating them up for no reason but alas, that's my logic and not yours. I've taken this as far as I can. I've ate hot dogs and boiled eggs and the gass is so uncomfortable so I must be off.

[feranaja]

i dont really know that I'm RHP Copuldaemon - I've kicked some serious ass in my day, just not over trivia. That was my point, really - but I'll bow out now.
fera :)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

In ancient Celtic custom, hexing was done using hawthorn wands, The symbolism of hawthorn (to those that know the Ogham) clearly indicates that a hex is therefore considered both a 'cleansing' and an 'initiatory' experience for the person hexed.

[feranaja]

In ancient Celtic custom, hexing was done using hawthorn wands, The symbolism of hawthorn (to those that know the Ogham) clearly indicates that a hex is therefore considered both a 'cleansing' and an 'initiatory' experience for the person hexed.

ok..but, CCD - here's my problem - who appoints who the artbitrator/deliverer of thse initiations? I mean the last lot who cursed me did so because they dont like dogs and then justified it as they were teaching ME a lesson, rofl. I mean come on. Who gets to decide who needs a lesson? By that logic Id be "cursing" half the people I know in real life..no one here of course! but you see my point?
fera
PS I am only posting here to present food for thought, another way of looking at it...not to argue!

[Naomi]

They cursed you because they don't like dogs?!

You talked to these people? What happened?

[feranaja]

They cursed you because they don't like dogs?!

You talked to these people? What happened?

It's more a matter of they wanted to stop me talking about dogs. but you know, there is the stated intent and the real, underlying issue. the real issue is unfathomable, I mean - we can only guess. I'm not that hatable a person. but the rest should be discussed in PM...


Since I've been so unjustly targeted, it tends to make me unsympathetic to the whole idea of casual cursing, you know?
f

[Ci Celli Ddu]

ok..but, CCD - here's my problem - who appoints who the artbitrator/deliverer of thse initiations? I mean the last lot who cursed me did so because they dont like dogs and then justified it as they were teaching ME a lesson, rofl. I mean come on. Who gets to decide who needs a lesson? By that logic Id be "cursing" half the people I know in real life..no one here of course! but you see my point?
fera
PS I am only posting here to present food for thought, another way of looking at it...not to argue!

Well, unless you have subjugated yourself to a hierarchy, only you can appoint yourself to be anything. The association here with initiation is that any occasion in life where you have to pass through the fire can be considered an initiation of sorts. As regards druidic symbolism, the key to symbolic associations are made not via some profound understanding but through superficial (especially visual) experience, eg X is the same colour as Y

[Copuldaemon]

CCD-I didn't know that hexxing was using for iniatory purposes within the celtic tradition (if I understood correctly) but interesting never the less.

Feran-at one point in my life, I had many a dog and my favorite was gino, he was a dobe and they poisoned him because at that time, in the early 80's they didn't want black and hispanic on their block, so i can understand the closeness to the canine affinity.

as for one wanting to curse you though, i can't see that but from what i do c is that you're an attractive female for your race and perhaps where you live, many a man and farmhand lust for you and theirhaged wives c that and so they want to start abunch of shit and try to poison your well.
what i mean is, you seem to be independant, with dogs, professional with dogs and with strength and beauty well...i bet you went through alot of problems with people. i dont' know what else to say.

[feranaja]

Feran-at one point in my life, I had many a dog and my favorite was gino, he was a dobe and they poisoned him because at that time, in the early 80's they didn't want black and hispanic on their block, so i can understand the closeness to the canine affinity.

Someone killed your dog? I would not be able to "rise above" in that case. I'd have to take them out, no matter how ethical I want to be. Some things are sacred and scum that can't respect that deserve what they get. I truly think that when lines of decency are crossed, its payback time.

I'm a nice person and I value fairness, but I pity the fool harmed my dogs, or anyone I know. I hope you blasted the piece of crap that did this straight to hell, CD.

Very sorry for this loss. Dobes are awesome dogs, if I couldn't have a Rhodesian, Dobes would be high on my (purebred) list.

as for one wanting to curse you though, i can't see that but from what i do c is that you're an attractive female for your race and perhaps where you live, many a man and farmhand lust for you and theirhaged wives c that and so they want to start abunch of shit and try to poison your well.
what i mean is, you seem to be independant, with dogs, professional with dogs and with strength and beauty well...i bet you went through alot of problems with people. i dont' know what else to say.

Funny you'd mention my well, I recently installed a heavy surveillance outfit around here in case anyone wanders near my property. :) Cost me a lot but I sleep betetr knowing it's there - world is full of raving lunatics isn't it?

I thank you for your many compliments. I AM very strong and independent, I'll agree with that, and I might be attractive but I've certainly paid my dues to be that way! I grew up chubby red haired and nerdy, so it took years of discipline to get the butterfly out of the cocoon, so to speak. Now Im 48 its a lot MORE work, lol. I dont think people attack me for physical beauty alone though. I think its this positive attitude and self assurance I have, it seems to irk insecure people. But you know, the world is full of idiots, and when they have a few books on magick its like children with loaded guns. People like that attack for next to no reason.

I think its all retarded, I mean why waste energy attacking over jealousy, if I was going to focus on someone it would be some evil SOB who deserves it, not someone who had more of whatever I lacked in life. If I lack something, I go get it. And hey - there'll always be someone prettier smarter whatever. I prefer co-operation to competition anyday.

Thanks again CD, that was really nice of you to say actually.
fera

[Copuldaemon]

To answer why people would attack out of jealousy is because in the previous mentioned scenario, perhaps their husbands wouldn't screw them as good as they'd imagine being with you or if they did get some good stuff, they'd guess it's because their husbands was imagining it was you, and it's something they'd never confirm, females are crazy like that.
also, why not. the world doesnt' go on rationality of what's right or wrong, it's fair game and yes it's retarded but that's why they have retarded olympics (for lack of better words)
as for gino, yeah, man he was my doggie but no i didn't blast people,lol. i was about 9 or something like that but you know, my mother was a witch and it's funny how after she did her thing, our neigbors mother had caught cancer really bad.
is that owl pissing?

[Copuldaemon]

Oh and the attraction that i'd mention was guessing from seeing your picture once and i do remember the red hair, yes. i understand discipline, i need it myself.lol. bye

[Ci Celli Ddu]

CCD-I didn't know that hexxing was using for iniatory purposes within the celtic tradition (if I understood correctly) but interesting never the less.


The Celtic Tradition is an antinomian one. Look anywhere in the Celtic mythos and you will see that every tale, every adventure, every use of magic, derives from a confrontation with the Otherworld and a transgression of its taboos, whether that be done unintentionally by the protagonist or not. It is significant that no one from the plethora of non-Celts who claim to follow the Celtic Tradition today has picked up on this essential element. Indeed the only place where I have found reference to this antinomianism was not in Neo-pagan literature at all, but in a book written not long ago in Welsh by a professor of Welsh about medieval Welsh literature.

[feranaja]

is that owl pissing?

My God you have good eyes - that's too funny! I think maybe he is...:laugh:

[Sibylle]

Haha, very observant. But I think it's just snowing over there :P

[Kazahel]

Someone killed your dog? I would not be able to "rise above" in that case. I'd have to take them out, no matter how ethical I want to be. Some things are sacred and scum that can't respect that deserve what they get. I truly think that when lines of decency are crossed, its payback time.

I'm a nice person and I value fairness, but I pity the fool harmed my dogs, or anyone I know. I hope you blasted the piece of crap that did this straight to hell, CD. Hey I just wanted to know where does fairness come into it when you wish death upon a human for a death upon an animal? I mean somethings are sacred and maybe the guy who killed the dog didnt think it was sacred you know... because its a dog. It's just I cant help but think its alittle crazy to think its normal to want to take out someone over an animal, but maybe thats just me. I mean you are basically saying that you hope this person who killed an animal goes straight to Hell... so if you could send them there you would... which I think is quite harsh. And I dont understand how you can then say that you value fairness.


Funny you'd mention my well, I recently installed a heavy surveillance outfit around here in case anyone wanders near my property. :) Cost me a lot but I sleep betetr knowing it's there - world is full of raving lunatics isn't it?I disagree. The world is full of those that are living in fear. Fear of the 'lunatic'... which is kinda worse imo.


I thank you for your many compliments. I AM very strong and independent, I'll agree with that, and I might be attractive but I've certainly paid my dues to be that way! I grew up chubby red haired and nerdy, so it took years of discipline to get the butterfly out of the cocoon, so to speak. Now Im 48 its a lot MORE work, lol. I dont think people attack me for physical beauty alone though. I think its this positive attitude and self assurance I have, it seems to irk insecure people. lol. Well to add my 2cents. I cant imagine people attacking you over physical beauty.. like no offence... but I just cant see why people would bother like that(maybe some of the older women might get jealous.. I dont know). I'm guessing its more to do with your attitude towards others.. and maybe the way you choose to word things.. they seem quite negative and attacking sometimes hey.

:dull:

Anyway I hope I didnt get off subject.

[feranaja]

Kaz, I have an idea. How about you stop singling me out for these tirades? Ive been very emotionally open here insofar as I am quite clear about the difference between what i want to be spiritually and what I currently am. I value my animal's" lives as highly as those of my human loved ones. They are my best friends and my family.
I simply stated that for me, murdering one of my dogs is the same as what another person would feel about murdering another human, a human child. I think it's despicable. you can disagree, thats fine. And if you'd been attacked by as many lunatics as I have you might well have some concerns about it too.

However I actually disagreed that people attack me because Im attractive. I thik it's my attitude people get wrong, as you clearly have in this post. My attitide toward others is suppoortive, tolerant, caring and respectful. I do have a temper and I've admitted that and I work
on it - guess what? I'm not perfect. But your continued singling me out to critcize is perhaps more what you need to look here.

I onve tried to help you out on another board with a situation involving adog, because that is my area of expertise. you twisted my words and carried on as if I was saying the exact opposite of what I was trying to convey . If you intend to carry this sort of tihng on here you wont get the same reaction. I simply wont answer you again and I highly doubt that members of this forum will follow you aroudn cheering you on. Please stop hassling me now. I have a very caring attitude toward others and if you think it's weird that I care as much for four legged animals as for two - I thikn its a bit ironic you're even ON an occult forums. I mean, we all have unorthodox beliefs here, who are you to judge me?

Please lets keep this OFF AF, allright?

Take care, fera

[Kazahel]

However I actually disagreed that people attack me because Im attractive. I thik it's my attitude people get wrong, as you clearly have in this post. My attitide toward others is suppoortive, tolerant, caring and respectful. I do have a temper and I've admitted that and I work
on it - guess what? I'm not perfect. But your continued singling me out to critcize is perhaps more what you need to look here. Well I guess maybe I single you out because of my reception so far by you, and yes because I've had the pleasure of knowing you before. So I dont think its that I'm getting your attitude wrong really. I'm going off what I've recieved from you so far. And you only have to look over this thread to see what I mean.


I onve tried to help you out on another board with a situation involving adog, because that is my area of expertise. you twisted my words and carried on as if I was saying the exact opposite of what I was trying to convey . If you intend to carry this sort of tihng on here you wont get the same reaction. I simply wont answer you again and I highly doubt that members of this forum will follow you aroudn cheering you on.
You are so full of it hey. You like to think and make out to others that thats the case and that its that simple.. but if you really want to bring up old forums where I've known you then so be it. The 'help' which you offered was all covered with your usual crap... You didnt try to actually help me... your 'help' was to make out that I was a lunatic basically for having fear that my son might get attacked by my ex's dog. So your 'help' was really just your twisted way to attack me as usual... but you like to try to coat it so that you can call it 'help'. I cant believe you actually are sitting here now and trying to say that you were actually trying to 'help' me with a dog problem. :rolleyes: OMG. But you can keep thinking that if you like and you can tell the whole world that but it wont make your lies a fact. ;)

Now some might ask... but why would fera do this??? Why wouldnt she just help you?? To which I would reply... because I never played her game like the other boys like to. So anotherwords.. I didnt give her my home phone number when she asked for it through a PM etc... which I think actually offended her... because I wasnt interested like that. And all I can say is that I am VERY glad that I never gave you my number. You never asked because you wanted to talk to me... you asked for other reasons which I thought was rude and immature. And now later when I come on this board you like to make things out to be so simple and that I must be all annoyed over some dog issue that I twisted. LOL... keep kidding yourself hey. The issues are alot deeper than the shallowness that you like to see and make out to others.


Please stop hassling me now. I have a very caring attitude toward others and if you think it's weird that I care as much for four legged animals as for two Can I just quote you... ' world is full of raving lunatics isn't it? '... which is why I hassle you... because you have used that word against me before and now when you try to slip it in, in the way you have, I take offence because I understand how you work. Others might not and yes they may see me as in the wrong or whatever but thats only because they dont understand the whole situation in regards to the past. I also find it very strange to go around thinking that the world is full of 'lunatics' while at the same time you would kill anyone who killed your dog. To me that is most insane.. which is why I also spinout that you are afriad of.. 'lunatics'... and that you even try to use that word against others in the way that you do.

And if you'd been attacked by as many lunatics as I have you might well have some concerns about it too. Well in all honesty... you must be pushing someone's buttons to get people to attack... maybe you ran around alluding to others that they are 'lunatics'.. which eventully pissed them off? I dont know. It's like... I new a girl once... and she loved to play the princess role... and after she dropped her boyfriends she would then attempt to throw a restraining order on them, because then she could go around telling everyone that they loved her so much that she had to get orders on them.. you know... it was just like one big game so to make her seem more special and wanted. It really was quite sad. But anyway.. Im drifting and Im sorry.



- I thikn its a bit ironic you're even ON an occult forums. I mean, we all have unorthodox beliefs here, who are you to judge me? Why is it ironic that I'm on an occult forum? And what are my beliefs again?


Please lets keep this OFF AF, allright?

Take care, feraGladly but only after people actually know some of the facts and not just your telling of the past. Like what you did above in regards to that dog issue etc. But I think we have the story alittle more straight now hey. :)

Thanks.

[Radiant Star]

This is sounding personal now, so could you both discuss it in PM or agree to differ in your appreciation of each other and lets get back to the topic.

[feranaja]

WE dont actually have the story straight at all, we have your version of it. but this is OT and I hope a moderator will step in soon.

For the record, Kaz, you are really flattering yourself if you think I asked to talk on the phone for romantic reasons. I asked becasue I couldnt keep up with the volume of PMs and emails you were sending me and I thought you needed a shoulder. You dont rememebr that? I still have them if you'd like a reminder.Well - no good deed goes unpunished.


I did think you were acting loony in that thread, about dog attacks, but only because you seemed to not get what I was saying AT ALL. I was saying that there are ways to minimize dangers when it comes to children and dogs. I provided dozens of links and pages of information. all intended to empower you to help your child be safe I appreciated your concerns, but hysteria isnt the answer, information is. I posted alot of it and another of my detractors stepped in and said I know nothing about dogs. AT that point - I had to bow out. I mean really, it was obviously a set up to bait me.
This whole thing is entirely inappropriate for this forum and I hope you will leave it - and me -alone now.


fera

[Kazahel]

WE dont actually have the story straight at all, we have your version of it. but this is OT and I hope a moderator will step in soon. You want a moderator because you think its ok to bring up the past to support you, but when I do it in defence, you want a moderator. :rolleyes:


For the record, Kaz, you are really flattering yourself if you think I asked to talk on the phone for romantic reasons. I asked becasue I couldnt keep up with the volume of PMs and emails you were sending me and I thought you needed a shoulder. You dont rememebr that? I still have them if you'd like a reminder.Well - no good deed goes unpunished. For your last record you mean... and for the audience now. :rolleyes: Keep spinning.. Im not that sociable. But Im kinda curious why you would keep any PM's from me.. I guess I should be the one who is flattered? And remember... I told you before that I NEVER EVER thought that you asked for my home phone number for romantic reasons. So get it right ffs! So anotherwords I never fell for your bait... which is what I always saw it as.. which is why I was offended... that one should attempt it. So I played back alittle until you later showed your true colours. And here we are.


I did think you were acting loony in that thread, about dog attacks, but only because you seemed to not get what I was saying AT ALL. I was saying that there are ways to minimize dangers when it comes to children and dogs. I provided dozens of links and pages of information. all intended to empower you to help your child be safe I appreciated your concerns, but hysteria isnt the answer, information is. I posted alot of it and another of my detractors stepped in and said I know nothing about dogs. AT that point - I had to bow out. I mean really, it was obviously a set up to bait me.
This whole thing is entirely inappropriate for this forum and I hope you will leave it - and me -alone now. Hey thank you for that. You see you remind me of apart of what annoyed me. You were using that word too.. hysteria... which was just another one of those words you were using to attempt to paint me a certain way. Which I found was offensive. There was no hysteria and no need to make out that there was. You were the only one that used that word in the whole thread, and it wasnt to help me.

[m1thr0s]

stop...to your corners folks...I don't want to hear any more personal history on either side and no one else does either.

I'm going to try to repair this from my own reading on it and anything that veers too far off again is going to be deleted so keep that in mind please.

a person would not have to know another person at all to question the validity of sending another person "straight to hell" for attacking an animal...and yet many magickal attacks are just as rashly conceived as this if not moreso. I don't think it does this conversation any good to challenge the appropriateness of that feeling because it clearly is an emotional response moreso than a logical one...

But...in general...it does bring out an important point. How does any magician safeguard themselves against the possibility of personal distortion when they go about attacking another magickally? What if you're wrong? What if you got your facts completely wrong? How does one protect oneself against ones own limitations?

I have looked at this more than most I think because magickal self-defense is a big deal with me and I have studied this matter from every conceivable angle and probably spent hundreds of hours thinking about it, if not more. It's important to me because attack is one of the things I am invested in magickally...not just against other people...probably much less against other people than other imagined "forces" of opposition existing in the world and even in the universe at large. Banishing "garbage" has been a big part of the whole psychological drama I have allowed with respect to magick and at certain points one has to at least question one's own perceptions in relation to such things. Some of them may be well-founded...others are simply an emotional reaction to a "sense" of attack...whether or not any actual attack has in fact occured.

My own conclusions thus far have been that any *unguided* attack is inherently a *misguided* one...no matter how justified it may seem in the moment. I think this can only be resolved at the level of tactics themselves...how one actually goes about initiating one's counter-attack on a strategic level. No matter who we are, we are occasionally going to punch the wrong person for all the wrong reasons...it's just a natural part of being human I think.

m1thr0s

[feranaja]

a person would not have to know another person at all to question the validity of sending another person "straight to hell" for attacking an animal...and yet many magickal attacks are just as rashly conceived as this if not moreso. I don't think it does this conversation any good to challenge the appropriateness of that feeling because it clearly is an emotional response moreso than a logical one...


I have to question tihs though m1thr0s - the issue here is - for me and I may be wrong - not at all about some consensual value, I mean I can send you the addresses of 10,000 people who prefer dogs to humans right now and they will all support my feelings, but thats beside the point. Arguing instrinsic vlaue is useless here. What I think does matter is that your comments seem to be beside the point...which is, ANYTHING you take from someone constitutes a serious attack worthy of counter attack IF what has been taken is of utmost value to that person.

It could be a child - but there are human mothers who dont value their children, so we cant assume a child has the greatest value, only to an indivdual. It could be land - we can argue easily that a human life is worth more than a piece of land, but we can't presume to speak for the inidvidual. Id think its wrongful to value land over a child but there are people out there who do feel that way. I dont personally value dogs MORE than humans, but love and value them as much. SO to target what any inividual loves best - irrespective of what social consensus dictates has highest value - is to mount an attack of the lowest level.

Am I saying this clearly? The point for me is that when someone targets anothers most cherished and values possession - be it friendship, personal dignity a child a house a dog - they have acted with great malicious intent. And thus my point was I would strike back with appropriate action.

I hope that made sense, I think it's an important point of clarification.
fera

[m1thr0s]

no...not "beside the point" at all because I am actually addressing severity moreso than retribution per se, and I do think it was the severity of your initial statements that might have taken anybody aback.

I don't really care what the "object" in question may be. My whole issue is with balance itself. I have to question the validity of any eye-for-an-eye mentality, but particularly at the level of magick I think it becomes critical because if you go about these kinds of things all wrong, I think you wind up digging a hole for yourself that you may never be able to climb out of.

And my theory really is that...like it or not...the only valid magickal attack is a detached one. This is especially difficult to arrange when you are responding to a very specific attack situation but it can still be done. The thing is to confine your attack to your magickal practise as a whole in some way, and not allow yourself to be given over to any one set of circumstances.

This is one of the inherent flaws in "hexes" in general and one of the main reasons you will absolutely never find any experienced spiritual master advising their use. They are simply more trouble than they are worth. The only way to win at that particular game is simply not to play it. There are other ways...more powerful and more balanced ways of defending yourself or else exacting justice when the situation calls for that.

m1thr0s

[feranaja]

I hear you on all of that. Maybe a bit of confusion arose from the fact that I was reacting to Copuldaemon's story of his pet dog being physically poisoned, when he was a child. To kill a child's pet because of your own racism BS is pretty despicable to me and I did react strongly. This however wasnt magickal attack per se here. It's just a set of circumstances I find deplorable and yes - you are 100% right, my reaction to hearing it was emotional.

In terms of magickal attack you can't ever prove that a thing you did actually took effect. And when two parties start flinging curses back and forth the worst part is usually the paranoia and erosion of faith in humanity at large. Pretty soon everytime one or the other party cuts their finger it's the other ones fault and here we have the basis of so much escalating hatred. I agree 100% that detachment is the correct response - not always easy, but I think, necessary.

I also feel that being involved in any way with a battle like that erodes what's best in humanity, because - after all, here we all are wishing pain and suffering on another and the only time I even start to understand that is if there has been grave personal danger inflicted by someone. I've actually seen individuals threaten one another physically over a disagreement about which kind of dog food is best (you want to see loonies, welcome to my world - lol, I use that term half playfully by the way! Nuhad calls his website 'Occult Lunacy' so I odnt mean that as a total slam)

So if what youre saying is - we need to distance ourselves from all such behaviours just disengage - I totally agree, and also confess, it isnt always that easy, but it's worth the effort lest we dig that proverbial hole and nobody gets out. :(

I apologize for vehemence over killing dogs - I lost mine to cancer a while ago and was devastated as many of you know, and many years in animal welfare has sensitized me greatly to the injustices humans heap on other species, so this IS an emotional issue for me..I'll exercise more restraint if I post here again and all personal matters are offlist as of now.
fera

[m1thr0s]

I know...I could see all of that crashing into itself in my mind as I was reading your post...

"disengage" is a tricky word, but essentially, yes. You know, a general fighting a difficult battle has to do the same thing...you have to force yourself to "disengage" or you'll start doing stupid things that will cost you the whole battle. Professional fighters will all tell you the same thing...as soon as you get too personally involved you're toast.

m1thr0s

[Copuldaemon]

WTF is this? Why is there people fighting on my thread, go to someone elses thread and fight, damn.

[feranaja]

lol - sorry CD, no more fighting here, we promise.
fera

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Another thing that can occur -and is probably likely to happen if you go around hexing people willy-nilly with no regard to equilibrium- is that you come up against someone who is bigger and better than you and who'll cut your magickal feet from under you and leave you to bleed. Here's an example:

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Sobrarbe, Provincia Huesca, Spain


I'm an associate of (forgive the exageration) a small out-of-the-way Rivendell in the area of Sobrarbe in the Pyrenees. The society often holds small esoteric workshops, renting space to whoever is running the workshop and catering for them and their clients. One of the households often allows individuals to do "Karma Yoga" (work in exchange for lodging). One such individual was a rather stupid person who thought he could take advantage of that particular family's layed back and open natures by playing mind-games on other guests. The poor sap was so caught up in his own little world that he didn't notice for one minute that he was surrounded by an unusually high proportion of "special" individuals (an interesting astrological note is that none of the resident associates had fewer than four planets in their sun sign). However, I was the only person present able (on philosophical as well as esoteric grounds) to confront this individual (and subtlety is not my style), which I did on several occasions, each time before the others. This together with the fact that none of the others batted an eyelid (they were happy for me to do the dirty work) eroded his resolve and confidence, causing him to out himself and make even dumber mistakes.

When he went too far by threatening to rape a young woman also doing Karma Yoga in the same household, I consulted one of the senior associates and both were called in to relate the event before us. He denied having made such a threat, but when it was clear that his testimony was of no worth, he cursed the girl. Before he could even finish his verbal curse I destroyed it with laughter, a very useful tool for undermining the will of lesser magick users. You should have seen the look on his face, it was priceless.

A couple of days after he'd been shown the door, my astrologer and her family, who lived 40 minutes away (walking) brought to my attention the site of some strange ritual in the valley floor that lay between us. I discovered that this sorry individual had stolen my hair cuttings from my compost heap and layed them under positioned stones in order to curse me, no doubt after one of my confrontations. I undid and reversed the ritual back on its source, cleaned the site, performing my own magic (a Celtic number) and that was that. I don't know what became of the idiot, but I doubt very much that it invoved flowers and fluffy bunny rabbits.

[Okazaki Castle]

Yes it is entirely possible to bring the downfall, or at least bring hardship into another persons life using black magicks.

I have used several different methods to be rid of an enemy in my life.

Hey Venus!! What happned to that PSI vamp dude who was hassling you at work? Back two years ago now about... Kinda curious for a follow-up / update on that one...

How ya been btw?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Little Billy]

I don't want to ask why, who was the target, or how I just want to know if you had succeeded and from that success what have you learned and or how do you feel about your cast in hindsight?


I don't know how to do magic, but once upon a time I had a boss I really, really hated. One day, while doing some nasty scutwork he assigned me, I looked at him for a moment, and imagined all my hate going into his guts.

Whattaya know? I instantly felt better, and he called in the next day with agonizing gas and constipation.

It was probably only coincidence. I wouldn't know how to lay a whammy on someone if you put a gun to my head. I just thought it was kinda weird.

[m1thr0s]

rofl...hey, timing is 99% of the game Little Billy!

m1thr0s

[Little Billy]

rofl...hey, timing is 99% of the game Little Billy!

m1thr0s


Yeah, like when those Greek dudes attacked the US embassy over there. They aim at the eagle emblem, miss, the RPG round goes through the wall, through the lobby, down a hallway, through another wall, lands in the consul's toilet, and explodes.

You KNOW one of them looked at the other and said, "I bet you can't do THAT, again!"

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[m1thr0s]

You KNOW one of them looked at the other and said, "I bet you can't do THAT, again!"

:laugh: :rofl: :laugh:

m1thr0s

[VenusSatanas]

I had spent time analysing his methods and I had developed a solution to my situation. I open my palm chakras and begin gathering energy from the ether into them. They were glowing (through my astral sight!) and I forced the energy into his heart chakra...

All of a sudden he says "we better STOP! My heart is beating too fast"
Lesson here. Give a psivamp a taste of his 0wn medicine. They want energy, provide it for them in a massive way.. HAHA. Im sure he learned his lesson and it was a perfect ending for me. Im not into vampyrism but I learned an important lesson on how to deal with one.

In darkness
venus satanas

[Okazaki Castle]

In my line of work its my job to sit there and feign interest in other peoples stories, in order to make a sale for my time in the VIP room. Please dont judge me; I work as an exotic dancer part time and Ive done it for over 5 years. Its my job to sell my time in the VIP and nothing more. It involves psychology, enchantment, witchery... what else would a satanist do for work? sit behind a desk and work 9 to 5>>>? so.....


Awww, please, I wanna judge you... as pretty, mischievous fun, spirited, intelligent, hardcore, strong and so on... Heck, with a name like yours you should start your own religion to be worshipped. We've got one already set-up for you if you want: Temple of Venus (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=570). Both me and Feranaja has past lives there as Priest/Priestess, so you'd be in good company...

I always thought Temple of Venus was one of Aphrodite's best ideas: she sets up a religion to be worshipped in, get laid lots by the best in bed (the less skilled have to work their way thru her sisters...) and gets paid for it. She thought it was a good idea anyway... Me, I thought it was a fantastic idea, and wanted to join in the fun as soon as possible! So you see, why would I judge you negatively on this sort of stuff?


2hrs of talk and hes ready for a dance finally. We go to the vip and the world is swimming around me like a haze. I had spent time analysing his methods and I had developed a solution to my situation. He sits down and i start doing my dance...Then I open my palm chakras and begin gathering energy from the ether into them. They were glowing (through my astral sight!) and I forced the energy into his heart chakra...

All of a sudden he says "we better STOP! My heart is beating too fast" And im like "Okay dearie, whatever"... I

Haha!! Very cool. You could prbbly give someone a heart attack that way. Think I might try the technique on somebody at some point, see how it works for me and how long it takes to master in practical application thru my own energetic system. Neat idea btw. A very poetic way to deal with unwanted attention from PSI vamps.


Im not into vampyrism but I learned an important lesson on how to deal with one.
Well, fair enough if you don't want to get into it, but at least could you stay young forever please? You'd be great fun to hang out with for eternities I think :cool: . I'm looking for friends / Inner Circles like that... How old are you now btw, if I may ask? I'd say around 24-ish from general vibe...

In daylight, noon and night ;) :D,
Oazaki.

[Little Billy]

In my line of work its my job to sit there and feign interest in other peoples stories, in order to make a sale for my time in the VIP room. Please dont judge me; I work as an exotic dancer part time and Ive done it for over 5 years.


Why would anyone judge you?

And believe me, I know what you're talking about. I spent a lot of time tending bar...

[VenusSatanas]

OK great Little Billy, so you understand the atmosphere that Im involved in. People who are drunk who need thier wallets emptied. LOL

Oh yes, Ozaki I know Venus the goddess well.. Very well indeed.| Ive used her name for a while but I had not ventured into what she really represented. I was too involved with satanism. She came into my life when a new person came to work there at the club. My whole life changed in an instant. His name was Brian, he is gay, and he had worshipped Venus for a long time. I could not avoid her call; I began a friendship with brian and a service to Venus. This has been going on for a few months. Brian is very educated on the history of Rome, and he has given me confirmation that my link with Venus is true from the things he's told me about her in our discussions . Brian's theory is that Lucifer the Roman god is Venus' male counterpart....

I am 27 btw. This talk of Venus prompts me to write a new thread. A thread about how demons are hard to work with when you are in the service of such a powerful goddess as Venus. Arrgh.

[Little Billy]

OK great Little Billy, so you understand the atmosphere that Im involved in. People who are drunk who need thier wallets emptied. LOL


It is morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money.

[Okazaki Castle]

Lucifer the Morningstar and Venus the bright and morning star? Also, Venus does pentagrams:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3275/pent20driftxr2.gif

Now, apparently:


Five (http://www.lunarplanner.com/number.html#five) is the number of the incarnate human--making possible the ascension from the lower quarternary world--that is, from the cyclic and temporal boundaries of space and time.


That is to say, apparently it's Pentagram Power that you use to become a God/Godess beyond temporal limitation, ie immortal.

More on that (http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Venus.html)

So if Lucifer and Venus both have strong association with pentagrams, and as pentagrams are a gateway to something, can we not use them to give demons a place in the scheme of things if those demons behave and are useful to us, ie efficient? I look forward to your thread for more information on that one and what is involved :) .

27 eh? Well, the fact that you are a dancer with lots of exercise every day may well account for what I was picking up on there. eg bet you look about 24, physically...

all the bets,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

could you stay young forever please? You'd be great fun to hang out with for eternities I think :cool: . I'm looking for friends / Inner Circles like that... How old are you now btw, if I may ask? I'd say around 24-ish from general vibe...

In daylight, noon and night ;) :D,
Oazaki.

Smooth OC, very smooth :laugh:

[Okazaki Castle]

Like the swish of silk and velvet in the night...


All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed.Teppic examined himself critically. The outfit had cost him his last penny, and was heavy on the black silk. It whispered as he moved. It was pretty good


Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed.Teppic examined himself critically. The outfit had cost him his last penny, and was heavy on the black silk. It whispered as he moved. It was pretty good

Yes, Terry Pratchet is ace

[Copuldaemon]

Another thing that I want to touch on (if I haven't before) is knowing when to cast this way and when not to.
**Obviously I'm referring to the ones who have hexxed or worked this way with no qualms about it.
Okay what I've learned from my experience, is that total honesty is paramount although difficult. Due to the ego,things like this is near impossible.
We might want to get creative in how we effect them (which is not bad) but then I guess our ego's run away from ourselves convincing ourselves that we are really "this or that" and the target should get smited (10ft. wave style) for mocking thee and so being unrealistic this way will definately dillute the self of what's to be done and why it is being done.

Another thing that I've seen happen is those who have some sort of code of honor or ethics of right and wrong so they'll get idealistic on what's just and what is not. This is the people who want to do dirty things without getting smudged. Perhaps this is due to the fear of really hurting a person beyond what would be considered their just due.

That is understandable but the thing is what I've come to learn (after wearing such personality suits) is that life is chaotic and messy and seldom things happen according to one's will unless one's will is according seldon things in this chao