New Mirror: The Flower of Life [Archive]

m1thr0s

12-31-2006, 04:21 AM

Just added this one although it still needs some detail finishing. The math is fine though and the line work moves well (ie, it scribes nicely)... I'm screwing around with a few basic effects, so this one might change appearance until it settles down...this image looks a little better against a grey background which you can view here: http://www.abrahadabra.com/fol001.htm

http://abrahadabra.com/images/fol01.jpg

I'm leaving the grid out of this one as well as the cross-hairs because they obstruct the flow of the crescent and just generally muddy the image. The crescent is very important...it's actually a technical "proof" in its own right but I am not entirely up to speed on it. We see references to it all over the place and it was Shiva's symbol and shows up in Islam and various places. Crowley makes a big to-do about it in his work as well.

I just can't get over what a perfect match the Flower is with the TwinStar. We don't really know how old the image is but the oldest known use of it is in the Temple of Osiris dating back about 6000 years, which means it was already considered a sacred image at that time...so who knows how old it really is.

There's a bit of confusion as to where to place the center & ground actions and what I have been doing is applying the final closing to the outermost circle which means that the center point drops just below where it would be in the TwinStar. That just seems to feel right to me right now but I also don't think it's absolutely critical how you deal with this. Either way you go you will be getting a reciprocal "ripple" effect on all other relevant gridlines, so I would say just go with whatever feels right. I don't think anybody is going to get cheated out of anything important either way.

m1thr0s

silentjohn

12-31-2006, 04:33 AM

You know I've considered spending some time in macromedia Flash to design a flower of life, where the threads so to speak move freely based on mouse movement.. yet the points stay stationary, just to add some "life" to it...

m1thr0s

12-31-2006, 04:49 AM

meaning that you would be scribing with the mouse? I'm not quite following you on that. I never actually do weaving work with my mouse, although lately I have been doing a lot more scrying against the computer screen itself. I can't help but wonder what havoc this is wreaking on the web...lol...

you get that effect when buiding vector graphics in Illustrator (and others) by the way so I have examined it...it's a pretty trippy effect...maybe if there was some kind of wireless pointer that held like a pen or something it would feel more natural.

m1thr0s

silentjohn

12-31-2006, 06:02 AM

aaaaa no

it would be like a website
and it would just be a trippy visual effect

silentjohn

12-31-2006, 06:16 AM

80

link: http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/images/flower-of-life-symbol-big.gif

Alright so.. basically all the "end points" in the image you see here would remain station ary, yet all the lines, would react with visual motion when the mouse cursor moved over them.. they would expand and have physics and be reactionary and after the inertia of movement would settle back down to apparant stillness again. I also thought one that reacted to sound would be cool..

m1thr0s

12-31-2006, 12:43 PM

Note: Since technical images are the focus of this forum I am going to clamp down on competing or oversized images being posted here. It creates the general feeling of graffitti and is counter-productive to useful discussion of the intended topics.

It's an interesting idea and would probably look great silentjohn. Images like these always seem to give rise to a lot of great ideas, it's part of their "magick". Right here I want to try to stick to technical weaving/scrying applications and questions for those who have any...

m1thr0s

silentjohn

12-31-2006, 06:41 PM

right on!

imagenerator

01-01-2007, 10:52 PM

I recieved word of this relationship before I noted the flower-twinstar marriage in the Nutshell 003 glyph. When I was looking at the Elemental Worlds mirror, I threw together this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45622324/?qo=7&q=by%3Aimagenerator&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps. Kind of makes me wonder: what came first, the star or the flower ?

imagenerator

01-01-2007, 11:28 PM

Can you explain the significance of where the centre of the outer bounding circle lies ?

m1thr0s

01-01-2007, 11:38 PM

amazing...the images are networking all by themselves...most excellent...

it is hard to say "which comes first" but in linear time at least we have good reason to suppose that the flower predates the TwinStar itself...it may not predate Abrahadabra...we don't really know that for sure. The facts simply aren't all in yet on that one. Certainly the pyramids have been around a very long time. We don't really know all the reasons they were deemed sacred to ancient people's.

And yet, even the TwinStar can be found encrypted in many ancient symbolisms. We never seem to find it spelled out clearly but we find TwinSerpents, TwinHawks, TwinPhoenixs and so on all over the place...many times you can trace the TwinStar right over these images with pinpoint accuracy...

so it's a mystery. right now it's one of the most puzzling mysteries I know of...

m1thr0s

m1thr0s

01-01-2007, 11:45 PM

Can you explain the significance of where the centre of the outer bounding circle lies ?I'm not quite sure what you are asking. The Outermost Circle is based upon the entire Abrahadabra Grid which forms a Triangle descending exactly one step lower than where the TwinStar naturally wants to reside if it is to coordinate properly with the Tree. So we get a circle within a circle when we are connecting lines point-to-point. The Cross-hairs (or Cross of Light) corresponding to the Outer Circle meet at a point just below the mid-point of the TwinStar itself...both roughly in the Solar Plexus area but the Outer Circle drops to what would more accurately be the belly button on the body itself.

But I don't want to go any further into that without being more sure of your question.

m1thr0s

Kain

01-02-2007, 09:29 AM

I recieved word of this relationship before I noted the flower-twinstar marriage in the Nutshell 003 glyph. When I was looking at the Elemental Worlds mirror, I threw together this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/...e+-in%3Ascraps (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45622324/?qo=7&q=by%3Aimagenerator&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps). This is a great image imagenerator. Also notice that the actual flowers created in the pattern above are 10...

Kain

MythMath

01-02-2007, 11:03 AM

This is what I meant by:
"We were waiting for you to get here..."

When I saw your graphs and how literally 'up-to-the-minute' they were,
I knew that our little cartography team had another mapmaker...

That is what I meant by:
"Let's collaborate...!"

MM

m1thr0s

01-03-2007, 12:50 AM

One of the interesting things to observe about the coordination between the Tetractys and the Flower of Life is that each of the 9 Chambers of the Tetractys is balanced by its own unique petal: What we have here is two very powerful and very well known sacred geometries confirming the same essential conclusions. In either case, Man fits the picture perfectly, so we are looking at a map of ouselves in conjunction to whole physical universe... The conclusion we are confronted with is the notion that Man is, as predicted, a balanced Microcosm of whole Universe (ie Macrocosm) itself. Another way to coin that conclusion is to say that the notion of human beings as "stars" appears to be a literal fact of nature, if mathematics is any guage of nature, which, in point of fact, we do know that it is.

http://abrahadabra.com/images/fol02.jpg

Geometric coordination of this kind doesn't come easy and means a great deal more than it would appear to at first glance. I'm not sure what it tells us about the Flower itself but it certainly confirms that the Tetractys, and subsequently the TwinStar, is a good marriage to the Flower of Life in general. One of the things to bear in mind when working with the image as a magickal mirror then is the great age of the Flower, as here we have a direct access key through time itself, whether we have resolved the mystery or not. At the level of the geometry, the mystery is already solved. These kinds of tools are one of the ways we have of accessing the so-called "akashic records", or "world-soul" as Pythagoras called it. In more modern terms we would be talking about "morphogenetic resonance", even if the scientific community is still stuck on the pot over that one.

The ability to slice through huge layers of time is very important because it goes to the matter of continuity. In a sense we already know that nothing about ourselves which can be regarded as universally true started just yesterday, even though our knowledge of these things may have only just yesterday been consciously activated. Whatever systems we devise that may be looking to assert a grand unified principle of one kind or another, must necessarily be able to trace themselves back very far indeed. So when we find things that seem to cut through time like a hot knife through butter, we can be reasonably confident that we are on to something big. Something that isn't going to just blow away at any time soon... We are presented with a mystery here that is going to be just as big a mystery 1000 years from now as it is today, possibly much, much longer still...

m1thr0s

Kain

01-03-2007, 09:04 AM

That's a very important observation you just brought up m1thr0s, I had not noticed this...also, I like the depiction very much, I resonate a lot with this mirror.

I agree on the subject of time. What we're looking to build here must innevitably span all across the know board, so such correlations that link things that at first glance seem apart and differentiated by large periods of time (while in fact depicting largely the same essential principle) are very important indications that we are in fact on the right track concerning the issue and work at hand...

Kain

m1thr0s

01-03-2007, 11:46 AM

Exploratory science and clinical science follow different kinds of rules, each according to their function. The same is true of occultism and magick. Tantric technologies have made remarkable gains over time but also suffer from stagnation at the level of their various doctrines. I keep trying to coin those things that distinguish theoretical magick, alchemy and tantricism (in particular) since I think it is often observed how starkly different they seem to be, and I think this probably confuses many. I am not always convinced it's even worth the effort since a great deal of this stuff people either seem to instinctively grasp or not anyway. But there are certain "rules" we follow when pushing the envelope with experimental, or theoretical alchemy and magickal science in general. Adherence to those rules can make all the difference between breakthrough science and gimmickry, which also seems to have its attractions to many people.

So occasionally I may wander off a bit trying to clarify those differences, although there are a lot of subtle variables, so it's a bit tricky. For some, much of what I do and have done in terms of Body of Light technology bears little resemblance at all to expected norms and it's not even all that certain that it can or should be regarded as "magick" at all. It depends, I think, on what we mean by the term itself. This is actually one of the reasons I have largely abandoned the term and opted for the term "alchemy", and "hermetic alchemy" in general, which has always been the exploratory arm of magick (historically) anyway...

I will only commit just so much time to the Flower of Life since there are a lot of other things yet to be attended to, but I have definitely been impressed with it thus far as it has a great deal of depth. When I am working with it I get that *impending* feeling you get with certain symbols...like a dam about to burst open or something...there's a lot of *hidden* content in this thing.

m1thr0s

Kain

01-03-2007, 02:11 PM

I will only commit just so much time to the Flower of Life since there are a lot of other things yet to be attended to, but I have definitely been impressed with it thus far as it has a great deal of depth. When I am working with it I get that *impending* feeling you get with certain symbols...like a dam about to burst open or something...there's a lot of *hidden* content in this thing.I get this too...lots of potential in it...

Kain

m1thr0s

01-04-2007, 06:06 AM

that "pressure" is very important, obviously, and not easy to find in just any symbol. A lot of things look great but are nowhere near going into supernova...it's the stuff that's right about to blow up in your face that denotes the "pressing" matters.

I don't supose many people can tell the difference somehow and in that case there's no sense holding it against anybody either. Some of it can be explained, some of it just cannot. I think that at the end of the day a continuing action is the only thing that really matters. That's one of the reasons why it really doesn't matter if I give all this stuff away. The maps in themselves don't make it all a reality and no amount of explanation will amount to actual ignition. That ultimately boils down to a very small handful (at least at the beginning) and nobody knows or can know who that handful might actually be. Could be anybody...might be me...might not be...it doesn't really matter.

In the end any legitimate physics will find its own way to the top in due course. Necessity itself is forcing its hand so this will happen if and when it must. Once that actually happens...once...twice...three times maybe, then we have a whole other ballgame going on since by then we will have an actual bona fide future science...so long as it happens by the numbers, we will have it by the numbers. In the meantime I have mostly discovered you can only really convey the matter to people who already have it gnawing at them already. Nor is it important to reach anyone on any level uncomfortable with this particular modus operandus. The time isn't right for them and that's all it is. What I convey, I mainly convey to people who sort of have a clue already but may be fuzzy on many details, or are perhaps not sure if it's even ok to think along such lines etc...

m1thr0s

Kain

01-04-2007, 08:36 AM

that "pressure" is very important, obviously, and not easy to find in just any symbol. A lot of things look great but are nowhere near going into supernova...it's the stuff that's right about to blow up in your face that denotes the "pressing" matters. Indeed. Also, it is more pronounced when the Seed is combined with a masculine figure like the Tetractys or TwinStar...sort of giving it a germ of possible actual manifestation of that potential that the Flower alone could hold only in a latent form, it being part of the mechanism/key.
In the meantime I have mostly discovered you can only really convey the matter to people who already have it gnawing at them already. Nor is it important to reach anyone on any level uncomfortable with this particular modus operandus. The time isn't right for them and that's all it is. What I convey, I mainly convey to people who sort of have a clue already but may be fuzzy on many details, or are perhaps not sure if it's even ok to think along such lines etc...Yeah, I think that's the only way any of this can be really conveyed, and it is in fact pointless to rush it in all other cases. The instructions and illustrations are always there to be given although the true driving force behind most of this buisness is an innate and intuitive understanding that has "already" awakened on it's own accord, the rest of the instructions only serving as a faster briefing at what has already started occuring internally....they do not initiate the procedure by themselves. However simply looking at them and pondering on them may just trigger someone in those lines, since the images are quite powerful and inclusive.

Kain

Okazaki Castle

01-04-2007, 12:38 PM

lately I have been doing a lot more scrying against the computer screen itself. I can't help but wonder what havoc this is wreaking on the web...lol...

Haha, I do that too!! Also use the web to moe alonmg pre-established physical grids and connections thru to targets... vampyric draws and impositions sorta thing, kinda useful that nearly everyone uses the web nowadays... Plus google, interesting stuff bound/expressing there if anyone feels like checking into that...

Very cool mix this one btw m1thr0s, like it :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

m1thr0s

01-04-2007, 02:51 PM

Indeed. Also, it is more pronounced when the Seed is combined with a masculine figure like the Tetractys or TwinStarNow that's an interesting *freudian-slip*, considering that (1) we are talking about symbols here and (2) they are either of them technically heterogeneous...yet it is very hard to escape the conclusion that between the Flower and the TwinStar (or Tetractys), the latter is the more "yang" of the two...

Does that make us some sort of symbolic chauvinists? lol...

well, let's see...women are round...men have pointy things...rofl...

I think it's probably and active-passive thing though mostly...

m1thr0s

Kain

01-04-2007, 04:22 PM

Now that's an interesting *freudian-slip*, considering that (1) we are talking about symbols here and (2) they are either of them technically heterogeneous...yet it is very hard to escape the conclusion that between the Flower and the TwinStar (or Tetractys), the latter is the more "yang" of the two...

Does that make us some sort of symbolic chauvinists? lol...

well, let's see...women are round...men have pointy things...rofl...Yeah, pretty much :laugh: . You know we've been having this discussion about "symbolic chauvinism" with my brother for years and it's connection with even-based alchemical systems compared to the odd-based...you know, the whole "2 compared to 3, round to 'pointy' " analogy. Despite the fact that the two are essentially complementary to each other, my brother declares himsels an open "chauvinist" in the symbolism department, considering the utilization of the odd numbers the only way to approach transcendentalism squarely...lol...
I think it's probably and active-passive thing though mostly...Yeah...I think it's obviously a more 'yang' influence on a more 'yin' that brings this about, thus making the pressure of the Flower's potential ever more immediate and urgent, bringing it into the foreground as the portal to it's manifestation is close at hand, Shiva and Shakti having met.

Kain

m1thr0s

01-04-2007, 04:30 PM

Yeah...I think it's obviously a more 'yang' influence on a more 'yin' that brings this about, thus making the pressure of the Flower's potential ever more immediate and urgent, bringing it into the foreground as the portal to it's manifestation is close at hand, Shiva and Shakti having met.definitely...and whereas the circle itself also provides that kind of functionality, I have to say, that flower is really kinda *cute*...lol...

hey...beauty is important...it amounts to the force of "charm" without which every jack is a very dull boy indeed...

m1thr0s

Ci Celli Ddu

01-25-2007, 11:16 AM

Kain

01-25-2007, 01:45 PM

I don't know if this has any relevance, but it is a circle that contains what is essentialy a triangle:

Knotwork Medallion (http://www.geocities.com/shadowoftheeagle_2000/images/celtic_medallion.jpg)Interesting image Ci Celli Ddu. A very obvious Tetractys in it, among other associations.

Kain

Naomi

01-26-2007, 10:58 AM

Alright, I just want to say I think that this would work better as a 3-D model. I put a lot of thought into this. Maybe you could look at this as an example:

http://www.thetengu.com/Abrahadabraforumsposts/Kuiper_oort.jpg

Naomi

02-01-2007, 10:56 PM

Nevermind, Silentjohn found an actual 3D model someone built out of...sticks or something. Amazing.

I have had some dreams lately about the flower of life appearing or being revealed as the Abrahadabra triangle overlays the circle or...sphere, as I would prefer of the circle of life or the ourourboros.

Something tells me that the Abrahadabra works as a battery on the wheel - injecting both itself as consciousness and directives/purpose which unfolds as the flower motif.

Random thoughts, hopefully not just stupid questions are accepted but stupid random thoughts as well ;)

Naturally I'm also inclined to attribute the Abrahadabra triangle to the siva lingam but as more of a pyramidical shape...just a gigantic penis really....only one we're looking at head on.

Thought I'd balance out all of the boys talk earlier that seemed rather freudian.

m1thr0s

02-19-2007, 02:15 AM

I always assume the pyramidal shape as well Naomi...just seems obvious really.

The Shiva-Shakti correlation between Star & Flower is about as blatant as it gets in plane geometry I think. Prior to the Flower I sort of had this worked out between the TwinStar and the Abrahadabra Grid, which still works, just nowhere near as elegantly as this does...

m1thr0s

Kain

02-19-2007, 11:14 AM

The Shiva-Shakti correlation between Star & Flower is about as blatant as it gets in plane geometry I think. Prior to the Flower I sort of had this worked out between the TwinStar and the Abrahadabra Grid, which still works, just nowhere near as elegantly as this does...Yeah, I'd have to agree. This setting is unmistakably portraying such a relationship, much more clearly than the Grid and TwinStar managed to do...

Kain

Naomi

05-27-2007, 08:06 PM

Here's the 3D version of the Flower of Life SJ found for me, just in case anyone else wanted to see it.

http://www.canadiandowsers.org/Flower%20of%20life.JPG

(I call fair use!!!)

I'd imagine this is also probably somewhat related to the King's Orb....(in regards to royal jewels)

MythMath

05-27-2007, 09:41 PM

That concept is cool, something about the execution here, though...

I wish that the FoLgrid didn't have to contract like that at the poles...

Anibis

05-28-2007, 06:23 PM

Pretty darn cool, I'd say.... I wonder if perhaps a Torus would be a better shape for this, even.... I had a vision when I was very young that came as a direct and vibrant flash while I was in gym class... Anyhow it was a Torus, which was rendered as a sort of grid, or mesh... It would be fascinating if the flower of life could be used to form one seamlessly... Mayhaps we are witnessing the Shape of Time to come?!
-A-

m1thr0s

05-29-2007, 02:57 AM

Time...yeah. I've sort of been holding this whole idea in check for the most part...just keeping an eye on things. But I begin to conclude that's exactly what's going on here...that the Binaries are defining Space but the Ternaries are defining Time...

The Flower seems to have a unique relationship to the Ternaries. I've been reworking this (http://www.abrahadabra.com/root.ternaries.htm) whole image in my mind lately and it's really out there...In part the Flower seems to be playing at the 4th dimension just by its very construction and the nearest way we can approach the 4th is via Time.

m1thr0s

Apopheros

05-30-2007, 07:23 PM

I've been reworking this (http://www.abrahadabra.com/root.ternaries.htm) whole image in my mind lately and it's really out there...In part the Flower seems to be playing at the 4th dimension just by its very construction and the nearest way we can approach the 4th is via Time.
m1thr0s

Hey m1thr0s,

Seeing the ternaries pic reminded me of a very interesting article about rhysmonic cosmology. The orbits reminded me of those on the root ternaries. Have a look at this: Rhysmonic Cosmology (http://www.rexresearch.com/hodowane/rhysmo~1.htm)

It sounds and looks quite fundamental and I wish I could integrate this a bit more into my thinking.

m1thr0s

05-31-2007, 01:37 AM

I'm not really sure how fundamental it is, if by that term we mean to imply basic or self-evident, or even just common sense...but I do suspect it's a profitable area of research for those with the time and inclination to go there. I am constantly fascinated with the fundamentally mystical paths science is always somehow embarking on despite its insistence that it is doing no such thing...but physics is as much an art form as it is a science at the end of the day and requires skilled visionaries to make it all go someplace useful...

Given another spin around the wheel I might very well be inclined to go that way myself...

m1thr0s

andymonk

06-06-2007, 07:49 PM

m1thr0s

06-06-2007, 08:26 PM

there's a lot of flower designs out there andymonk...some of them very ornate indeed. for the moment, my own interest in this design is limited to the symmetry of Abrahadabra and how those two great symmetries interact...with special emphasis on the TwinStar, since I believe this to be an important governing dynamic in Abrahadabra and the Body of Light generally.

Flowers are all very cool...they don't all yield any kind of core physics so far as I am concerned...others seemingly do.

m1thr0s

theocculture

11-23-2007, 02:42 AM

This is actually a few random thoughts I had posted on another forum but I feel inclined to post them here since this image is the one that had me really thinking about this in the first place and perhaps this would be the place to look for someone who could maybe finish this train of thought I am having trouble completing.

I may be a total noob at all this but does it strike anyone else how similar the flower of life is to the array of 221 gates used to make a golem and how the idea of creating life out of clay and the idea of the flower of life containing the blueprint for life are so damn similar? In my little copy of the Sefer Yetzirah with little notes by Aryeh Kaplan he talks about a 5 dimensional hypercube with 32 apexes and hyperquadrants and something about a Midrash I have never read where God's sword is said to have 16 edges making it essentially a teseract I believe. I haven't found a 32 (wtf is that called) hypercube but here is a link to a 24 folding in on itself.
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/FMar24.gif
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmi...w4DApplet.html (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Draw4DApplet.html) Try the 600 cell on the last link and pull the inner left scroll bar while looking at the left image folding in on itself.
Here is an intresting Torus that reminds me of this whole seed of life thing...
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/KQphys.html
Honestly all this has me thinking about aliens again and hyperspace travel again but I think if none of you have taken a tab of acid and shot off into space I am probably pretty safe.

All right a little edit here...
3 7 and 12 are obviously important numbers to consider... I am confident the Torus in the above link hits those three marks pretty well... Interestingly enough this is based on the 24 cell hypercube and some older Tree of Life symbols had 24 paths... damn my head exploded again.

All right I think its back together again... I happen to know a fellow who is much wiser than me that has been trying to convince me that the Pythagoreans invented the Tree anyway so the Greek tree of 24 paths is not so hard for me to take into account here... Intrestingly my friend has taken to using Elder Futhark runes as opposed to Greek on this account... but if you take the Tetracktys and fold it out into four triads with a single cord holding them together you would get 12 lines... Which speaks to the math my brain is chewing up right now.

m1thr0s

11-23-2007, 02:43 PM

I don't think it is quite accurate to say that the Greeks invented the Tree of Life per se. It is perfectly accurate to say they had their own variation on the Tree of Life but I don't specifically know where it originates historically. It is important to be careful about this because the Tree of Life has sprung up independently in various cultures with certain cosmetic variations on its theme. The one that we know today is especially geometrical and also rooted in a base 10 numerology, but Trees have existed in different forms tracing all the way to Sumer where Judaism presumably begins (Abrahaham's family came from Ur etc...). So we have to be careful about grand-sweeping generalizations regarding its true origins.

Be that as it may, I think it is very important to realize that the Greeks did have their own Tree of Life and I think we all need to know a little more about its actual roots. Pythagoras would be a good guess but I haven't seen any actual proofs of this...do you (or your knowledgeable friend) know of any?

We do know that the Flower of Life contains the Tree of Life as a matter of geometrical property. This is easily demonstrated, but we don't really have any historical evidence (that I know of) that this connection was consciously acknowledged in ancient times. The Flower of Life is a wellspring of an infinite range of important geometries, certainly not just the Tree of Life.

I'm not a huge proponent of arguments from history personally. I think it slows us down getting too wrapped up in who came up with what first etc. I am always willing to look at this kind of information but in almost all cases our *proofs* ground out at broken records or disputations at the level of translation. I am more interested in arguments from physics itself, since these do not slow us down and provide us a firm foundation for exploring complex mathematical constructs. The only real downside is that we may not accomplish any particular linkage to antiquity this way, although in a surprising number of instances, we still do.

We don't really need to know whether the Tree of Life was a recognized property of the Flower of Life (historically) to know that this relationship clearly does exist at the level of the physics itself, for instance. The fact that it has always been there makes the possibility of it's having been recognized pretty good...not guaranteed but probably more likely than not.

m1thr0s

Darkwater

11-24-2007, 05:33 AM

Hey Wow guys,am I in the right place at the right time!:rofl:

The Greek Key was just revealed to me a couple of weeks ago,as well has the heavy,heavy,heavy masonic implications which resound through the 3 degrees of freemasonry,in particular the 2nd Degree.:mad:

Same as calculating the size of the sun,the speed it travels at,the speed the earth revolves in relation to this,the size of the 3rd pebble & its dimensions can all be done with a "staff" (or 6foot pole)so the entire 360 degrees can be worked simply from the first 3 degrees.

mmmmmmmmmm

Darkwater

11-24-2007, 05:43 AM

Opinions please.

andymonk,I prefer it to be inverted(upside down) and the guy not to be kneeling but more like this,AKA the rune man,no.15 in the elder Futhark.

http://www.bec.bz/runecourse/rune%20magick15.html (got to scroll down a bit)

He is part of a bind-rune given to me at an Astral Degree I had in the Temple of Anubis on the boulevard.

Andymonk,have you had your journey from the nothing of void into your present form mapped for you?ridden GOAT Bro?

Awesome efforts,I'll read this thread now I have my knee jerk reactions out my system.:)

Namaste

Andy

MythMath

11-24-2007, 05:44 AM

My interest has been swimmingly piqued, Darkwater...

Can we see, this Key of 3...? :confused:

Darkwater

11-24-2007, 05:59 AM

My interest has been swimmingly piqued, Darkwater...

Can we see, this Key of 3...? :confused:

I am greatly honoured Myth math,the tongue of good report has been heard in your favour throughout cyberspace!

The first 3 degrees are given in due & ancient form by a Lodge only by a chartered ludge,in saying that I iniatiated a guy near Munich last week.His dad had his lodge closed and its charter renounced as it was a drinking club,so he would get more black balls than the borrom of a rabbit hutch even at my own(his having been asked the brethern of his mother ludge to seek elsewhere.lolz)

The Greek key is EVERYWHERE,maybe the most common pattern in the world?I was amazed to see it occur throughout southern Austria on my recent visit,only to come home & see it on a 2 bob plant pot round my back garden:eek:.

You know it,its a kinda interlocking z or zig zag.I'll try & get a link.Look for it & you will see it in all sorts of places

It was given to me at my most recent Astral Degree where I was turned & twisted through every joint in my body,starting with the Freeborn,in order to prove myself just regular & perfect.It was horrible what those Red ****** done to me,I would hate to imagine what would have happened were I not so.

It's the only way to pass onto the blue hq at the top of the Ziggurat,unfortunately.

The pattern http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/greekkey/index.htm

Here is a good description of the Meander & generator.

http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/greekkey/intro.htm

MythMath

11-24-2007, 06:15 AM

Ahhh, so that's what you were meandering about... :yes:

Tell us more, so we won't fret about this... ;)

Darkwater

11-24-2007, 06:28 AM

So myth math can you see where the greek key fits in the 2nd degree?

I now see this as the most important part of the most important part of the degree,forby the mapping of your journey from void & GOAT.

I was Phillistine,you know!

I'll lay off guys,I'm maybe too much for this thread & don't want to get into trouble in my first hour as member.

Namaste

Andy

MythMath

11-24-2007, 06:32 AM

Yeah, not sure I'm following all your lingo...

But, I've been checking out those samples
and they're very vibrant, lot's of hummmm...

It's 6:30am, I must go home and sleep...

Soon I'll be ZZZZZZigZZZZZagging in slumber... :laugh:

Darkwater

11-24-2007, 06:39 AM

heh heh,

get plenty of ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ'S M8! All perfect flower of life component parts(& vice versa)

Cross mirrored and square is my favvy!(hoping to keep on topic)

deviadah

09-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Perhaps a spin-off topic, but since this thread inspired it I'll start here...
And yet, even the TwinStar can be found encrypted in many ancient symbolisms. We never seem to find it spelled out clearly but we find TwinSerpents, TwinHawks, TwinPhoenixs and so on all over the place...many times you can trace the TwinStar right over these images with pinpoint accuracy...I am sure I've seen it (or read it somewhere), but what about the spiral?

How does the TwinStar fit on this ancient image found everywhere in nature?

:cool: