The Sith

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, it happened to Chthulhu and co, and there's a hell of a lot of self-proclaimed Jedi out there, so is it just a matter of time before The Sith gain entry to the world of Chaos Magick, or has this already happened?

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, Sith-like Modus Operandi is very akin to ninjutsu's 'Mind and Eyes of God', what they call levels 7-9 in their system/hierarchy.

Me and Jacob, who are the Stratigos's of The Zhedhi and The Seijuro Orders respectively, though we do interchange those roles at times, have said for a while that Palpatine's modus operandi of 'moving events form behind the scenes in manipulative, strategic ways which nobody really understands or can properly identify', was very Stratigos-like. 'Stratigos' means 'strategist' btw, and also 'General'. A humourous aside there is that when you lay the generalities, or principles of the system (to use Aristotle's terminology/system) the specifics then follow from them, the specifics being the manifestation in physicality of the generalities (principles) as they combine thru the Creation process.

Interestingly enough, we have two more orders (The Hiko Order and The Jedi Order) which we primarily use, and the Stratigos of The Jedi Order (well, George Lucas though he talked of it never formally founded a Jedi Order, whereas we did) is a young man called Dimitry Sarkis, son of the Lebanese politician/businessman who has his hand in many affairs lebanese and is known by name to nearly all native Lebanese (he's a friend of mine from Cyprus, international school scene), who was Subedai in a previous life. An examination of Subedai's battle/war strategy is also very Sith-like one will find I think, and it is a fine a historical example in this. Subedai's strategic modus operandi is in fact what I based the Oazaki Name/Identity work on... Why? Well, it was gentler (though admittedly more annoying for me) than my normal approach to system decomission which basically sums up as 'Kill everybody then discuss it on the astral'. In Hindu scripture that's called a Grand Dissolution, or simply a Dissolution, dependent on the cycles involed. Hence, I'd postulate that the Sith approach / Modus is actually gentler and more benign from humans' and other incarnated lifeforms' perspectives than the traditional Hand of God approach to this point in the precessional cycle.

all the best,
Oazaki / Okazaki Castle.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Interesting, although to be perfectly honest I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about on some points. Have you come across the Sith Code?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

[Kain]

Well, I think there's already a large amount of practitioners drawing down on the "Sith" archetype (or the Sith archetype drawing from the more universal "passionate sovereign" type of archetype out there) consciously or unconsciously. It's also heavily connected with some well mentioned outsets of the LHP and Satanism and I've been looking things this way in the past myself. I think the Sith code is a wonderful example of this outset and point of view towards life. Later on, I disengaged myself from passion as a primary energy source however. It's powerful, but addictive and a Karma -generating sucker and that is most often it's own downfall. Unless we're talking about primal Creative Passion (which is a different story altogether), I feel passion should *follow* rather than lead a personal campaign, adding it's strength to what has been already and independantly decided and set as a target goal. However, despite my personal feelings, this is a well documented and very popular approach although under different names.

Kain

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Personally I'd interpret Peace and Passion as Passive vs Active, and as a result the code doesn't seem dark at all. Practising Chaos Magick would lend being a Sith the necessary darkness, along with the behind-the-scenes-shadow-warfare of such Sith as Darth Sideous (as Okazaki mentioned). I always imagine both Sith and Jedi as being paths closely tied to Martial Arts (or Moving Zen as some like to call it), another form of Magick that I'm personally fond of (I use Shotokan Katas as banishing rituals myself). You can't get a lightsaber of course, but you can get some quality Sith robes on ebay for more reasonable prices than your avarage Dark-Magick-Robe costs (got one myself).

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Heh heh. I just came across some Star Wars fans called the Sith Order who atre already contemplating world domination, though they haven't made the link to Magick yet

http://www.sithorder.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1108

[Kain]

Heh heh. I just came across some Star Wars fans called the Sith Order who atre already contemplating world domination, though they haven't made the link to Magick yet

http://www.sithorder.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1108That's what I'm talking about...hehe...

Kain

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I found it funny reading their threads that the first association they made when correlating The Sith with the real world was with lawyers, not the occult or even ninjas lol

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Talking of ninjas, I came across askaninja.com (http://askaninja.com/episodes) while visiting youtube, hehe

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Back to the subject though, Here's the Sith Philosophy that I got off wikipedia:

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hatred leads to power.
Power leads to victory.
Let your anger flow through you.
Your hate will make you strong.
True power is only achieved through
testing the limits of one's anger,
passing through unscathed.
Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
The dark side of the Force
offers unimaginable power.
The dark side is stronger than the light.
The weak deserve their fate.
–tenets of Sith philosophy

Sith Lords are devoted to the dark side of the Force and are expected to draw on their anger, fear, and hatred in order to gain power. The Sith therefore maintain a certain psychological isolation where they continue to hold themselves above all others.

The tenets to me sound pretty much like a recipe for a migraine

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, your Dark Fury is fuelled by Justice's violation: makes you furious that, to see it. Hence, with that ki placed, the Sith are a Dark Force for Virtue.

As regards what I was talking about, I founded The Zhedhi Order, which is the world's largest 666 gate in a way that can't be argued with: geometric hexagrams around the Earth. Yet, when you include the centrepoint in that, who is a Sith Lord and called a Stratigos (or Strategist) you get a 777 gate, ie God's number or w/e it stands for in numerology.

I also founded an organisation called The Seijuro Order slightly after The Zhehdi Order, but I did that on Timeline Divergence Split, one of my more mystical abilities which I don't talk about or explain very often, if at all. Then, I combined the Zhedhi and Seijuro Orders into one, towards the end of May 2005, that one being called The Jedi Order.

Told George Lucas all of this too. He didn't seem to mind but wasn't willing to help yet, too dangerous he said. Micheline Chau had more fire though...

Incidentally, it may interest you to know that according to pythagorean numerology The Jedi Order works out at 616, the original number of The Beast in Revelations before Iraneus changed it at the conference of Nicea. The Zhedhi Order works out at 666.

And yes indeed, since the start our aim has been world domination.

Now then, with the evident Japanese connections, how does The Emperor fit in? Well, we have plans...

There's a diagram of those hexagrams on this thread btw: Keeping it Real (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=783). We include the fictional references because westerners' minds are controlled and they are mentally unable to respond to something they can't understand on the basis of thier own mind grid locks: this is true and real, whereas this is fiction. Hence, they were unable to act against us until we freed them from those mind grid locks. Which we're not going to do really till they yield their illuminati hierarchies to us, where illuminati I define here as those of their populace who are already freed of those locks and allowed to think freely for themselves. In the UK for example that would apply to MI6 and an associated agency called The League of Albion. Both exist, the latter being based in the town of Selby. Both do lots of role playing, and say so too... Again, most people can't understand this or relate to it, as Tenacious D said: "We know you're all programmed robots [but we just don't care]".

The ninjas also talk of life being conditioned and unfree and needing to see how things truly are to become oneself. Mental prisons are usually built from self-righteousness, legal controls, seriousness and focus controls, incidentally.

So you see, The Jedi Path is quite real and hardcore and has a strong future. Incidentally, it is 8-fold too:

http://www.posterplanet.net/new/images/sithjedicollage.jpg

To quote Hannibal: I love it when a plan comes together!

all the best,
Oazaki.
ps more on the 8-fold sometime later if you like or are interested. Others here get it already...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, your Dark Fury is fuelled by Justice's violation: makes you furious that, to see it. Hence, with that ki placed, the Sith are a Dark Force for Virtue.


Sure, but basing your whole philosophy and course of action in fear and hatred still sounds like a good way to get a migraine.

[Kuroyagi]

Haha, I think so too- too unbalanced. But still that Sith code doesnt look that bad actually...other good points are eg the "one on one" teacher pupil relation and the beyond good and evil take on the Force which seems very "mystic": instead of the "narrow minded view of the Jedi". Naturally as much as I do love SW, some of it is a bit unfulfilling and incomplete...(Empire is the best reference Id say...or also good Vader in ANH: the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. (is also good, yet I also think: the ability to destroy a planet might be insignificant but still not bad huh? ;))

Anyway, maybe as a chaos magician you could join those Sith-guys and since you said that they havent found out about magic yet you could "uplift" them or somehting- could be fun!

[Naomi]

Hatred is a powerful weapon. It's dangerous because it can turn against you. So that is why I always tell people...you must be justified. Perfect justice is needed for revenge.

Fluffy light bunny forgiveness is for fluffy light bunnies.

So you really have to be a special kind of person to base your belief structures on this philosophy, or you will get a headache. Those energies will eat you alive without mercy if you so much as stray one bit from the straight and narrow. But you get to be hardcore, gruesome and brutal and vicious and do it without being a bad person.

tis why Saturn is so dangerous, both gating through its north pole, meeting the creatures in Saturn's atmosphere or dealing with Saturnian energy...and why even Virgil couldn't walk into the deepest part of hell without the help of an archangel at the gates of Persephone's city.

But women should figure more prominently as Sith just as men figure prominently as Jedi in the Star Wars crap, and they should work together, and fuck lots, twould be more realistic...

:D

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Haha, I think so too- too unbalanced. But still that Sith code doesnt look that bad actually!

yeah, the code holds up to scrutiny, whereas the tenets weren't thought out that well. I know they wanted to emphasize on turning negative emotions into powerful weapons, but what you get in the tenets is a description of a bad trip rather than a path to dark power.

[Okazaki Castle]

Sure, but basing your whole philosophy and course of action in fear and hatred still sounds like a good way to get a migraine.

This is true but those are always the two main areas of imbalance in any system that you would want to redirect. For a very long [period of time I would indeed get very, very intense migraine headaches. *shrugs* you just do it anyway, for it needs to be done. But yes, when dealing with factors of such intensity it is to be expected that the physicla body takes some cuts...

Smoking ganga is about the only way I foudn to get that pain moving and on out. Conventional painkillers, even the most powerful, did little to no good, and things like acupressure and meditation weren't physically strong enough for the intensity of the blasts being redirected in this. Another reason why this world's position on da holy 'erb irritated me...

So it hurts, cuts you and is intense. Who cares, it is responsible and the way to true power. Does it make you evil? Sure, but you also have other aspects to your character. And is not the evil a part of The Source too? How could you have power over it, moving it with the dominion of your will, if you did not accept it?

all the best,
Okazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

But women should figure more prominently as Sith just as men figure prominently as Jedi in the Star Wars crap, and they should work together, and fuck lots, twould be more realistic...



Yes, we must always keep it real :yes: :yes:

Have you gussed one of the surprises / offers / gifts I've got planned for you then, should you want it?

kisses,
Oazaki / Sebastian.

[Okazaki Castle]

Guess the Sith (http://www.lucasfilm.com/inside/bio/)

Funny that George's Board is on Council of Seven...

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

A Sith Telephone Call

[Kain]

A Sith Telephone Call (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5395083952125133994&q=robot+chicken)This was hilarious Ci Celli Ddu! :mlaugh:

Kain

[Dragon]

...omfg....I had to practically suffocate myself to keep from waking up my son...jeeeeez...It's hard at the top.

[Zaii]

I used to genuinely loathe star wars, and I'm still not a big fan by any means, but the character of Darth Maul actually caught and held my attention. In fact I foolishly paid to see the last two films hoping for his return (I figured since there was all this cloning going on.....you know).

The dynamic between Palpatine (who still reads to me as one dimensional, but I guess that's the point) and his apprentice interested me greatly, and while I'm not sure if George Lucas gave Maul no dialogue to save money - Ray Park is more of a martial artist and stunt man than an actor admittedly - or to maintain a certain atmosphere around the character, I was vastly dissapointed he wasn't explored in greater depth as it was the only character in the entire series who really stood out as original to me (although I know that there was a large deal of mythological archetype incorporated into the films and that accounts for some degree of predictability).

Maul appeared as a character who existed in physical and mental isolation predominantly, the latter even amongst other beings. This, to me, seemed to be the source of his power, and appealed to me given that this form of mental isolation of a sort I believe to be the same many powerful figures in history harnessed.

Even and especially in the combat scene between maul and the two jedi his contempt for and isolation from them was displayed clearly and expertly in his body language and overall movement (props to ray park), and the scene where the forcefield erects between the older jedi and maul is a perfect dichotomy of the two very similar yet vastly different forces.

So I guess my question to those of you who are more on the up and up in regards to star wars is, is there more on this character floating around somewhere?

[Kuroyagi]

did you try wookiepedia?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I like SW but especially the older 3 films. To me Maul also stood out cause his "design" (makeup etc) was a bit un-star wars like. he reminded me of traditional chinese theater (or also kabuki) with some popular devil references tbh.

But the fight was ok at points- I like it when Maul and Qi Gon (the good jedi) got interrupted in their fight by that energy barrier and had to wait for a time. will the light jedi sat down (meditated) to calm himself maul was pacing up and down like a predator and tried to stare his opponent down.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Yes I agree totally with what you're saying regarding Maul and isolation, Zaii. Spot on.


Darth Maul, the most popular Sith in the SW series, despite having only two lines...
Yes outside of the films there are novels on Maul's life before and after becoming Palpatine's apprentice-assassin. As kuroyagi says, try Wookiepedia, there is a lot about him on the internet.

To return to my original question on opening this thread :
Well, it happened to Chthulhu and co, and there's a hell of a lot of self-proclaimed Jedi out there, so is it just a matter of time before The Sith gain entry to the world of Chaos Magick, or has this already happened?

Despite clearly being aligned to the LHP, the "Way of the Sith" is not really suited to practical CM. It is magick, but it's magick through Mind with no props other than the practice of Martial Arts and Moving Zen combined with (to stick with the script) the harnessing of raw emotions.

[Drakonach]

I've adopted a similar code for my own personal magickal philosophy. I like to draw upon the Star Wars paradigm for very interesting Octarine magicks.