No Beginning and No End

[Logos]

I'm curious if anyone here has tried to wrap his or her head around the idea that space has no beginning and no end. I'm trying to wrap my head around this idea that the stuff that our bodies are made of has always existed, and that nothing created it because it's always been here. It's mind blowing to try to comprehend this physical aspect of eternity.

Edit: I think I'm finally convinced that I'm a walking, talking, alchemical conjunction of light and sound and that the fifth dimension is a cosmic orgasm of creative forces.

-Logos

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Quantum mechanics seems to do the job for me, I just look at all those mathematical equations and say: Okay okay, it's probability waves. But seriously, what get's me is the survival of the consciousness, because clearly it exists and all things that exist exist also outside of Time and Space, and cannot be made not to have existed. Articles on Quantum Consciousness kind of made the thing more graspable to me on a rational level. Still, existing fully outside of Time and Space is one I find hard to visualise.

[Logos]

I also follow along with a bit of quantum mechanics, especially the schools that theorize probability as a fifth dimension. And I guess what I was trying to say with the "light and sound" thing is that all matter is energy, which is what E=mc^2 is all about. And if you can neither create nor destroy energy (law of conservation of energy), then the energy has always been here, and if energy has always been here, then the stuff that matter is made of has always been here. And that's really where string theory wants to go--to the conclusion that matter is composed of tiny vibrating strings of energy. Anyway, I think it's finally starting to sink in and make perfect sense to me that I am nothing but energy and that I partially control that energy whenever I project out of my body. So maybe the afterlife, though not consciously observable in the sense that I am capable of observing my surroundings, is an energy field and that reincarnation is simply the idea that the energy that makes my body is used to make another body through which someone else can live their life. So the law of conservation of energy proves reincarnation if we consider the body a blob of energy in control of itself.

-Logos

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Yeah, though I wouldn't be completely shocked if some day Aliens of advanced science came along, shook their heads, and said "Look mankind, you know how to make pizza, we'll give you that, you win hands down, but you're model for the universe is frankly a piece of crap". Depends whether Sod's Law is universal or not, I suppose.

[m1thr0s]

I'm curious if anyone here has tried to wrap his or her head around the idea that space has no beginning and no end.I think that the only way I am really able to adjust to that idea is by way of resolving matter into consciousness. I have a difficult time visualizing matter as being infinite in itself...it just doesn't work for me...never quite adds up. But consciousness I can almost grasp as having no beginning and no end...it almost has to be that way, actually. What originates in oblivion resolves in oblivion where time and space are more or less the same as ideas themselves...variations on certain rhythmic themes in consciousness that forever begin and end and begin again...existence for existence's sake more or less...no further justifications required.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

hey nice approach logos like what you've done with the deeper levels of your soul and character too btw respect on that man ;)

all the best
oazaki.

[Anibis]

This is the ouroboros, it seems to me (or that to which the symbol points). I tend towards the belief that the primary existent is time iself: abidingness or prescence in flux. Since it exists all at once, it exists eternally. Things take form within it, and out of it's energy, and then chart contingent relationships with other things that have similarly arisen. Amongst these fluid forms, certain organism arise which host others. In our case the energy complex 'the body' hosts the energy complex 'the mind', which is a simple way of saying that we may well be composed of multiple organisms. The death which dissolves the structure of the body and recycles it into the continnuum may not necessarily be the death which dissolves the organisms composing our consciousness. It is likely, I think that though on one level they inhabit the physical, they also have more of a home in the higher dimensions. Logos, I'm not sure what you mean by the Fifth Dimension, because so many people use it to refer to the fourth. By definition, I'd say that the dimensions are Spatial, Time is not amongst them, but they are amongst it. They are it's measurable intervals, in a sense. So the fourth dimension would be one place that consciousness could exist without the complex of the body... and the fifth and the sixth... but in the end it would have other bodies and so on. I'm not sure there is even a difference, Ultimately...
-Ibisis

[Logos]

Probability is the fifth dimension in the sense that the astral plane is probabilistic and entirely energetic.

-Logos

[Anibis]

I assume you are familiar with hypercubes... the fifth dimension would be a hyper-hypercube. But yes, probabilistic as regards the lower dimensions, absolutely. I'd say that hyperdimensional objects and structures end up beccoming regions of probability of certain sorts of phenomena in the lower dimensions... a 4th dimensional object intersecting the third dimension at several points would be interpreted in the 3rd dimension as several separate events of a strangely resonant (synchronistic) character... Likewise with 5th dimensional structures... The astral continuum seem to consist of all the various higher dimensions than the ones we are used to. And yeah, it's about energy relationships. The 'visions' we get are generally semioticized (or 'rendered into an image/symbol') interpretations of these energies... That's what I think, at any rate...

-Ibisis