Doppelgangers and unpattened ideas

[Copuldaemon]

I am not sure if this belongs here but I'm sure it'll end up where it's suppose to be if not.

Okay, real briefly cuz I'm tired, I don't know about you but I am very familiar with doppelgangers, FVCK-well all got them.
Another thing is, I HATE when you have an idea of something but because for whatever reason you don't use it, some one else will come up with it because sitting on it flushed the thought back to or just to the collective conscious and bang,
so could it speculated that in the long run, in the big picture, our thoughts are truly not our own or that, our heads are breechproof, that there's no such thing as privacy?

[Radiant Star]

I think this is something that has crossed a lot of peoples minds, that sounds like I am joking with you and I am but it happens a lot. I believe that we are all connected at some levels and more connected with specific people than others.

Though it can be coincidence because of the sheer amount of people on the planet doing the same kinds of things; the same kinds of thought patterns are bound to occur and come up with similar ideas, that is inevitable.

[Copuldaemon]

Okay:) then check this out. There have been countless times where people in my travels have told me that they'd just seen me OR a person who looks just like me and I'm always just missing them. THat could be my doppelganger, and i wonder if when or if i meet this doppelganger of mine, will the universe implode or something?

as for the ideas, yeah yo, don't that suck?

[Copuldaemon]

I was theorizing based on HP Lovecraft's 'From Beyond' that we all have cerain archetypical intermentional beings that can release or create and or manipulate a number of different variations of itself. If you can kill the archetype you kill the fleshly emanations for all time. Thoughts.

[Anibis]

Seen 'The Prestige'?
-Ibisis

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

In reply to your initial post: Have you ever considered that your "idea of something" may not even be your original idea in the first place but something implanted into the collective mind, like a virus, by some alien intelligence to be activated in some members of the hive simultaneously? Maybe every idea is thought of or realized by two or more minds at the same time. Though I think the Hundreth Monkey story is completely fabricated, I do think the basic idea of it is spot on. This theme was hinted at in Kubrick's movie 2001: A Space Odyssey when the monolith implants a spark into the collective mind of those early humans to use a bone as a weapon which causes the evolutionary leap pushing forward to eventual escape from Earth Prime. If we throw up enough bones eventually one will carry us with it. Or perhaps we just don't pay attention, i.e. we think we have come up with something original and then start to notice, or interpret, our idea everywhere we look because it has been there all along but it took us thinking it up to begin noticing it.

[Copuldaemon]

nalyd...that's interesting. I don't know though cuz although that may be so, I say that it doesn't matter if an idea is floating around in a collective conscious, it's original when it's realized into this world. But I guess you're right and so using the word 'original' isn't the best term but then again it can be for others who never could even concieve of an idea or product outside the scope of this conversation; I guess they could be called consumers.
also, a satanist/person of the LHP's goal is to seperate themselves from the universal consciousness or "one", do you think that's possible?
I do, but only if one who desires to be separate is always aware and takes the necessary little steps.

And Ibisis no, I haven't seen the prestige, is it related to the subject?

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

...do you think that's possible?Of course. Have a thread with a related discussion going on already?

[Copuldaemon]

I do?

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

I do?Maybe your doppelganger does.:) But no, what I was asking was if you have or know of a thread already started that is discussing the topic you brought up about breaking from the hive. That way we can take that tangent there. If not then you or I can start one.

[fr.novumorganum]

oooohhh lets start one!!!

[Anibis]

And Ibisis no, I haven't seen the prestige, is it related to the subject?

Yes. I don't want to give away anything more, but I think you'd like it. It is VERY much related. And it's got Tesla in it!
-Ibisis

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Yes. I don't want to give away anything more, but I think you'd like it. It is VERY much related. And it's got Tesla in it!
-Ibisis

Who's Tesla? Is she hot?

[Anibis]

Uh, really? Tesla, as in Nicola Tesla? He was an eccentric inventor, a contemporary of Edisons. I assume you are yanking my chain here, but in case you aren't. He played with lightning. Invented Alternating Current, I believe. Built Big old coils; 'Tesla-coils'... very interesting character. Bowie plays him in the film. IT's about two conjurers, 'stage magicians' who end up warring with one another...
-Ibisis

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Uh, really? Tesla, as in Nicola Tesla? He was an eccentric inventor, a contemporary of Edisons. I assume you are yanking my chain here, but in case you aren't. He played with lightning. Invented Alternating Current, I believe. Built Big old coils; 'Tesla-coils'... very interesting character. Bowie plays him in the film. IT's about two conjurers, 'stage magicians' who end up warring with one another...
-Ibisis

Nope, Im not yanking any chains here. Never heard of the guy.

[Anibis]

Well, he's pretty important... seriously...
-Ibisis

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, he's pretty important... seriously...
-Ibisis

A lot of people are :D

[Anibis]

:rolleyes: I think it's fair to say that Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla) is on the level of Freud, Jung, Einstein, Crowley, Reich, Ibisis, Edison, etc...

Ahem... excuse my excess of humility there :D... But yeah... he's a big name... and there are many others.... Probably should tone this down in The doppelganger thread though...
-Ibisis

[Ci Celli Ddu]

:rolleyes: I think it's fair to say that Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla) is on the level of Freud, Jung, Einstein, Crowley, Reich, Ibisis, Edison, etc...


Hey, I'm a pseudo-intellectual, not a doctor ;)

http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200303/tos-005-dr--mccoy2/320x240.jpg

[Naomi]

I first learned about Tesla after taking the Kiersey and MBIT tests. I share the same type with him and a few other unexciting choices. (ENTP: The Inventor)

"(Tesla)was widely respected as America's greatest electrical engineer. Much of his early work pioneered modern electrical engineering and many of his discoveries were of groundbreaking importance. In the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture but due to his eccentric personality and, at the time, unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developments, Tesla was ultimately ostracized and regarded as a mad scientist"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

Tech developed by Tesla, according to Wikipedia:


Various devices that use rotating magnetic fields (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_magnetic_field) (1882)
The Induction motor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor), rotary transformers, and "high" frequency alternators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator)
The Tesla coil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil), his magnifying transmitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnifying_transmitter), and other means for increasing the intensity of electrical oscillations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillation) (including condenser discharge transformations and the Tesla oscillator)
Alternating current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current) long-distance electrical transmission system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission)[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#_note-24) (1888) and other methods and devices for power transmission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_transmission)
Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System) for wireless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless) communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication) (prior art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art) for the invention of radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_of_radio)) and radio frequency oscillators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_oscillator)
Robotics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot) and the "AND" logic gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_gate)[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#_note-25)
Electrotherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrotherapy) Tesla currents
Tesla impedance phenonomena
Tesla electro static field
Tesla principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_principle)
Bifilar coil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil)
Telegeodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegeodynamics)
Tesla insulation
Forms of commutators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_%28electric%29) and methods of regulating third brushes
Tesla turbines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_turbine) (eg., bladeless turbines) for water, steam, and gas
Tesla pumps
Tesla igniter
Tesla compressor
X-rays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray) Tubes using the bremsstrahlung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung) process
Devices for ionized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion) gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas)
Devices for high field emission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field_gradient)
Devices for charged particle beams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charged_particle_beam)
Arc light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_light) systems
Methods for providing extremely low level of resistance to the passage of electrical current (predecessor to superconductivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity))
Voltage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage) multiplication circuitry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_circuit)
Devices for high voltage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage) discharges
Devices for lightning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning) protection
VTOL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTOL) aircraft
Dynamic theory of gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_theory_of_gravity)
Concepts for electric vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicles)
Polyphase systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphase_system)

[Okazaki Castle]

Haha, indeed. Question is, if Tesla was to be in reincarnated form already, how would we locate him? And what if he brought thru intact a lot of his ideas and designs also? From his Tesla lifetime I mean. Would be useful, no?

Anybody know how JP Morgan and Rockefeller connected to Tesla's material, and its suppresion? Now, how would that work in terms of karmic return motion?

Prestige is very good btw. It is by the same director as Batman Begins. Cool in so many relevant ways then...

all the best,
OC.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I first learned about Tesla after taking the Kiersey and MBIT tests. I share the same type with him and a few other unexciting choices. (ENTP: The Inventor)


I got Rationalist too, but I don't care about it enough to pay money to find out if Im an Architect, Mastermind, Inventor or Field Marshall...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

In reply to your initial post: Have you ever considered that your "idea of something" may not even be your original idea in the first place but something implanted into the collective mind, like a virus, by some alien intelligence to be activated in some members of the hive simultaneously? Maybe every idea is thought of or realized by two or more minds at the same time. Though I think the Hundreth Monkey story is completely fabricated, I do think the basic idea of it is spot on. This theme was hinted at in Kubrick's movie 2001: A Space Odyssey when the monolith implants a spark into the collective mind of those early humans to use a bone as a weapon which causes the evolutionary leap pushing forward to eventual escape from Earth Prime. If we throw up enough bones eventually one will carry us with it. Or perhaps we just don't pay attention, i.e. we think we have come up with something original and then start to notice, or interpret, our idea everywhere we look because it has been there all along but it took us thinking it up to begin noticing it.

Yeah, I hate it when you have a really good idea only to find that someone has already thought of it :D

[Naomi]

Free test:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

Click on Jung's description of your type afterwards and it will tell you your type.

You may wish to take other free tests online, several times over, to make sure you are that type or to get alternative types. I usually find I am only 2-3 wrong questions away from INTP, The Dreamer.

Okazaki I think one or maybe even two parts of Tesla's origin soul have already reincarnated and are on this forum in fact.

After all, you don't get geniuses like that just taking a 'passing' interest in Earth. Usually we stick around and watch the project develop.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Hmm, Crafter Artisan. To be honest I find these questionaires extremely tedious, and the results equally so.

[Okazaki Castle]

Okazaki I think one or maybe even two parts of Tesla's origin soul have already reincarnated and are on this forum in fact.


Hmm, yes, naming no names sort of thing... ;)

all the best,
OC.

[Anibis]

Hmm, that's the same type they classed me as; 'the Inventor'. I wonder if that changes over time...
-Ibisis

[Anibis]

Okay I just did it again. I was 'the Inventor about two years ago, now I'm 'the Champion Idealist'. Interestingly in the same category as Buster Keaton and Doctor Seuss, and most significantly; Regis Philborne! Aha!.... Well this is silly, and fun.
-Ib

[Anibis]

We have just totally hijacked CP's thread. Let's get back on topic.
-Ib

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

...unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developmentsOne of those claims, coincidentally, was that he "received" his ideas via alien intelligence.:D EDIT: Also, did anyone start that other thread I suggested?

[Naomi]

I do believe in doppelgangers as described in the sense of other soul expressions. These are described quite succintly in Sebastian Heller's "Advanced Sexual Practices" vol I.

I didn't know Tesla claimed that. Interesting. What other thread?

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

What other thread?Hmmm, I will have to scroll around and see what it was I mentioned that might have deserved a separate discussion. I think fr.novumorganum thought it was a good idea... let's see... oh yes, Copuldaemon had said "a satanist/person of the LHP's goal is to seperate themselves from the universal consciousness or 'one', do you think that's possible?" and I agreed with the overall opinion because my own goal echoes that and thought it might make for an interesting separate discussion.
EDIT: Try THIS (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=11832#post11832).

[Naomi]

Hey! You're on top of me in the member's list! Did you know I can orbit backwards?


Doppelganger!

[Copuldaemon]

Personally i love fluxating milkyways in blackholes.

Oh yes, I am sorry Nalyd it'd be nice to see a separate discussion on it, but alas, i don't have the energy or care to divulge in it at this time.

[Copuldaemon]

I took the test and I'm a ENFJ. In other words, I'm a teacher idealist.

[Anibis]

As for separating oneself from the One. I have basically come to the conclusion that the One is not 'self-identical' but rather 'self different'. It is 'one' because it is different from itself at all points. It is thus my goal to perfect my own self difference (which is relative to that around me); the reason I can be picked out as an 'individual' and yet attune it (my individuality), and the trajectories of its becomming to the dynamics of the larger body of the environment around me, and ultimately the universe. Anyways that's my way around the 'merge or purge' dillema of universality... I'll move this to a more appropriate place presently, I figured I'd pick up on the ideas being discussed.
-Ibisis