Superheros

[Kuroyagi]

Lets talk about superheros. I quite like this post-atomic age American conept. What superhero are you?- or have you invoked any? or are you- like myself- the creator of your own life and reality and thereby the creator of a new one-? (the concept of the superhero is also about creation, and also about very strong emotions...with a pinch of antique tragedy mixed into it.)

I myself am a typical superhero- ive been born wealthy like Bruce Wayne and ended up as poor as peter parker ;), ive got knowledge as "large" as Xavier and Im as hypersensitive as spiderman. I suffer like all of them but I am also somehow an idealist: like Odin I consider it my duty to carry on the fight against what I perceive as injustice even though I know of the impending Ragnarök- the inadvertible doom, trying to build walls of sand against the eternal waves of time...

On mag.catastrophe some of us talked about this in connection with "x-magic" and I proposed that we are all x-men. We neednt be that cheesy in name, though- maybe we could simply be the new heros of a new mythical age.

[hitman777]

Well, Jason Voorhees is probably my favorite superhero.
I also like Moon Knight, and the Punisher. Spiderman is cool, I just wish he'd kill the badguys once in awhile.
And I have to say, not really a big Dr. Strange fan.

[Okazaki Castle]

By Zeus Kuroyagi, I like your style!! This is exactly the sort of thing I like!

So I have two basic superheros I used to take the piss out of the world's governments and cops and stuff with: Buddha Superman and Ninja Spiderman. Had limited costumes to them too... And they came with real live superpowers, which however I didnt push or demonstrate too much, but was walking along ledges 8 stories above street level and stuff... as if just out for a casual stroll. My attitude was 'If I fall, I can't die, cuz that woudl violate The Zhedhi chart, so that's a paradox lock on this creation, so I want to have some fun with it'.

Of course, those two superheros were rather crap. I personally prefer the more developed characters of Wolverine, but that only works with claws. So Jon from Watchmen is one I do a fair bit: he's all detached and can see the subatomic level.

You can't fully do a superhero persona till your physical body can handle or express their superpowers of course. That's what's annoying about incarnation here and why I first got into mutational alchemy...

Interestingly enough, Morgellons, the pathogen-like 'disease', originally came about due to Chinese research into developing a virus-like supersoldier disease which would however kill unappropriate characters - and make the others ultra-hardcore, eg non-tiring muslces which also are pretty inpenetratable to bulletts and stuff.

The most interesting characters I met last year were League of Shadows personnel. Their genetics are very, very hardcore and they cruise on this state being arrogant about doing what they like and knowing they can always 'switch to the shadow' (no explanation) and that bulletts mean squat to them. In a way that organization and how they work is featured in the film 'Batman Begins', which is what makes it kinda funny. they do exist though, and have a distinct aura about them and even all look kinda similar. Oh and they all like to wear black too, for some reason, never suits, and turn up in the most unlikely of places, like expensive hotels which they really look too scruffy to ordinarily be sitting there talking to suits, embassies, and other places following me around. They're one gourp of people I think it would be fun to meet though, but they're a bit cowardly I think there, or moving to some purposes of thier own as they view it...

I want to develop the ability to shapeshift into full Dragon (not reptilian, think 20 feet long with wings) form. m1thr0s said this was possible with ABRAHDABRA back on magicatastrophe, and I tend to believe everything he says cuz I know he can usually back it up, and if he can't I want to try it anyway. So I'm going for that and similar now.

I firmly believe that superpowers are essential to being a proper superhero.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

My favourite of course is my fellow karateka, the Batman. Unfortunately Im nightblind, so I guess that makes me the Blindasabatman :o_O:

[Okazaki Castle]

Some Indian yogis have real-life superpowers. They call them siddhis. These are known to exist, because they still demontsrate them on occasion. The Aghori sect is the most obvious example here. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali do in fact tell us how to go about attaining/developing such powers. It's a religious text. Here's a quote from it:



By performing samyama on the form of the bodyto suspend receptive power, the contact between the eye of an observer and the light from the body is broken, and the body becomes invisible.
This principle also explains the disappearance of sound.
By performing samyama on the two types of karma, active and dormant, or upon omens and portents, the exact time of death can be predicted.
By performing samyama on friendliness, or any other attribute, great strength in that quality is obtained.
By performing samyama on the strength of an elephant, the strength of an elephant is obtained.

From book 3...

Regards all,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

what siddhis have you got at some time Oazaki? cause they come and go in my experience. maybe some are more stable. I eg have -differently to ci celliDdu- very good nightvision that developed when I started to practice western magic(k)...I for example didnt feel like turning on the lights in my house anymore when walking around, preparing food etc in the dark..I have not perfect eyessight though- its based on intuition. also I have good pre-cognition, direct magical mind controll and sometimes if I train qi, I sometimes had a very effective repellent strike ("force push" ;))...also healing and maiming by indirect effect I have experienced: meaning ppl tended to suffer "cuts" when they got on my nerves- I have a bit more control on that now though...Im very ethical you know...hitman777, we seem to be very different i cant relate to Jason- in my view hes simply a lunatic who is to be pitied. maybe thats why I like spiderman not killing bad guys- cause hes better and nobler than them. the normal pattern of american movies is: good guy doesnt want to kill bad one and shows mercy- then bad guy tries to backstab him, and then-finally!- he can brutally slay the bad guy. oh sancta simplicitas! in fact the people want to see someone being morally justified (so they dont have to feel bad about it) who is utterly merciless in a certain situation- this is sublimated instinct. I myself am not a histrio- my acting skills are quite under par, though I enjoy watching others' thespic talents....

as for becoming a dragon- I wouldnt like it- more like a demon: I would like to physically grow wings, breath fire and grow fangs (this- the fangs- is already possible (by implants etc.) but least important to me so I dont bother with all the fuss.)

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, I used to be in hardcore Chi Kung training back before all the zhedhi stuff and had some pretty funky abilities then: would firewalk quite casually, eg at parties on the beach just rake a line of embers out, could take strikes to the throat with no damage, not even soreness, didn't get cold or sick, power in my strikes, ability to stand motionaless for hours, literally, if that one counts. Stuff like that.

Then lost all that on the down cycle of this design, which didn't trough till september 2006 in and of itself, though my lowest down was in July of 2005. Figured it was the sacrifice, as in what you do in magickal workings.

I also did Reiki Mastership and Sekhem and like disciplines. Does work, used it on everything from teeth to computers. Skin's the hardest to fix in my experience, cuz is the most superficial. Deeper it goes, easier it is to move.

Perhaps the best one I've got currently is Mind Control abilities. but in a very powerful sense. I can do the 'Seize your opponents minds and scatter them all!!' that Ueshiba talked of, and can also turn a room around my will, or any scenario I choose to focus on in practice. Takes about 30 seconds usually, unless I'm being harsh about things. Generally in terms of combat situations I've taken things to the stage where the external physiclaly-occurring scenario is just a reflection/projection of the esoetric mind and energy factors moving behind the scenes. Following the Fate/Karma stream which procede from this, much is possible. But, the physicla body gets tired and one is lazy, also.

I can live without food or water, which is a siddhi to most people. I do, however, find it quite unpleasant to live without smoke, especiallu ganga smoke, for more than three days straight. I've done it for months in a row though, just to do it and to have that karmic pattern to 'export' to others should I wish to, karmically, in relation to their main source of comfort and nourishment. It is factors like this which enable me to cause people's souls to move their own physical bodies and ego personalities out of my way.

However, none of that is really impressive in my own view, though some of it can certainly be pushed. I want to be able to materialize things out of thin air, dematerialize other things, become phsyically invisible not just not not noticed, fly like superman, teleport, do the Darth Vader choke technique, walk on water, turn water into liquid gold, shapeshift, and things of that nature. Showy, impressive stuff which can be used to rob banks with in an easy and stylish way, for example. Or take over Parliaments. Or be completely free and independent of the established societal status quo in a manner which involves no hassle. Also, such things are completely unambiguous and do not depend on a oppurtune situation to come about before you can exercise them. So, for example, you can use them to show off to girls with. Or win arguments, should the need arise. Showy siddhis such as these would make life a lot easier. It is my personal decision to not 'go out on a limb' or push things personally with the world's governments and the established public external reality, anymore until I have such showy, powerful abilities in a place. They do come closer though, and rapidly at that, so I don't mind waiting. Though I like it not, for I am impatient...

You would look cool in demon form I think. I can see you there now... A fine form to hang out in I'd say, may well want to join you there. Of course, Urutsukidoji style would be my preffered demonic haunts usually... And Dragon form tempts you not?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

depends on my mood I think and it does vary. More often than not I come home to Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)...

always admired the fact that everything he's got...all his super-powers are the result of his mastery of occult knowledge...

not your average radiation-blasted mutant, though these guys 'n gals have their merits too.

http://abrahadabra.com/images/doctor.strange01.jpg

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

yeah that dr. strange is prettty cool- checked him on wiki! Im so uneducated when it comes to this stuff- I havent even read the Invisbles- and surely those "tomes" would contain some great ideas. Im looking forward to reading more American comics...any recomends would be nice..-

no, Dragon form would be great but not for this "ens" that Im now incorporating. I would open up a parallel incarnation for it if I will get the grip on the technic (for now Im not studying it- but if you suceed in being a fully encorporated one, lets be good friends ok. ::))

Oazaki: i also got the impresion that your mind controlling skills are quite good, and also sophistic ones (in the best archaic sense). though I never tried your breatharinan thing...Im much more interested in youth-techniques and am quite good actually- (though not in theory- thinking about this would be very taxing [good excuse btw if youre ignorant of some thing!- but honestly, in this case Im also just too lazy to write "books" on it right now...:laugh:] poetry is much more fulfilling.)

[Kuroyagi]

p.s. I also always felt that the radiantion-mutant-type is somehow "cheating"...yet a good point at the same time: cause so many developments have happened by mere chance...(I always think of marzipan...check it out.)

[Kazahel]

I guess some of my lucid dreams could be classed as invoking the superhero in me. Spiderman seems to be one of the main ones I've been.. only because I wanted to know what it was like to be able to walk upside down in a dream. I thought that would be cool so I figured that if I was like spidey.. my mind would help me to stick to walls. So I thought spidey thoughts and learned to crawl upside down during lucid dreams. Which is pretty cool fun because its really easy to just crawl straight up walls... its trickier to crawl upside down though because for me it made me feel alittle sick and you have to kinda turn around to see the ground and where you are. So you can crawl but you lose where you are unless you look down. I've also done the full spidey swing technique.. where you swing from building to building shooting webs from your wrists.. Thats really fun but I tended to hit the buildings and then have to crawl back up them inorder to continue along. Which killed the speed and swing of it all alittle which was a bummer. I did look to see what my wrists were like when I was in spidey mode in a lucid dream. That was weird... I had a hole in my wrists where little tiny white spiders were making the webs and were spinning it inside me. I saw some crawling in and out of the hole and I could see webs inside where the blood should be. So I didnt look again. So I guess it feels like I've invoked the spidey in me once or twice but that was mainly to learn to crawl.. I do tend to follow my spidey senses more now though.

So spidey is the only typical 'superhero' I've.. invoked to test out during lucid dreams. And learning to crawl is like riding a bike.

I've shapeshifted lots in lucid dreams but they dont really come under superheros I guess.

I want to be able to materialize things out of thin air, dematerialize other things, become phsyically invisible not just not not noticed, fly like superman, teleport, do the Darth Vader choke technique, walk on water, turn water into liquid gold, shapeshift, and things of that nature. Showy, impressive stuff which can be used to rob banks with in an easy and stylish way, for example. If you really want this then the best way is through lucid dreaming. Then you dont really feel the need to have it happen in 'real' life because it felt just as real in the dream you know. It's just all these things that you have listed are things which I've done during lucid dreams(not the gold or vader choke though, I might try that one next time). And it is pretty 'real' feeling hey... like if it wasnt so real then why dont we always know when we are dreaming.

Also maybe if you could do some of these things really well in lucid dreams it might be just a matter of connecting the dots back in 'real' life. Maybe.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

what siddhis have you got at some time Oazaki? cause they come and go in my experience. maybe some are more stable. I eg have -differently to ci celliDdu- very good nightvision that developed when I started to practice western magic(k)...I for example didnt feel like turning on the lights in my house anymore when walking around, preparing food etc in the dark...

Lucky you. In my case I have retinitis pigmentosa, so I cant see at night and I need the lights on during the day. Comes in handy for working with Darkness of the magickal kind though. As for surviving periods without sustenance, Ive done loads of that in the wilderness, but in that instance my genes are working to my advantage, as Im bloodgroup B, the Mountain Nomad from central Asia.

[Kuroyagi]

hey, ci celli, are you knowledgable of those blood type-characteristics? (in Japan they were very much en vogue at the end of the eg 80s). Im "O", btw...what would this mean? anyway- as I said I have no good "grassland-eyes" myself, Im very much working based on the feeling I get from my surroundings, too. Im a bit short sighted..."physically" ;)

Kazahel: thanks for mentioning dreams- cause for me the superhero image has never surfaced in dream actually (differently to you)- for me its rather a conscious "(day)-dream", a very assertive phenomenon: cool to "dream" of it and strive for it when awake I guess.- something very intentional. also its cool that you had so many indepth and very detailed experiences-was nice reading those!- you must have a very indulgent imagination!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

It's to do with ancestral diet, causing the blood to contain one, both or neither of the proteins A and B:
A is the agricultural farmer (chimpanzees are A)
B the mountain nomad (Gorillas are B)
O (O just means no A or B, unique among primates) is the hunter gatherer

Japanese blood type theory of personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_blood_type_theory_of_personality)

[Kuroyagi]

Thanks, I'll read that indepth (*kuwashiku!*, as they say in Japan) later...but somehow Im disappointed cause I thought that I actually had all the "positive" characteristics of the other types like creativity and conservative/introverted, too...maybe I should stick to astrology. :P

By the way, I somehow am attracted to Wales, dont know why- have never been there. but I somehow feel that I'll live there. When I was living in Aberdeen my landlord first thought me to be Welsh- when looking at my name (wont tell you my real name now, though...you know, superheros have to keep their identity secret and all that...)

[Jacob]

I'm like m1thr0s. Doctor Strange.

Also Spawn, without the limit to his power(like after he killed Malebolgia). In addition to being able to do conceivably anything, I like the chains and cape ^^

If it came down to shapeshifting, I agree with Kuro, demon form instead of dragon. A lot like Illidan Stormrage from Warcraft, complete with the blades and everything. The intro cinematic for World of Warcraft's expansion, Burning Crusade, shows some awesome CG animation with him, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html

He's the guy at the end.

[Kain]

Since I can't go for paramatma...hehe...

I'd say definitely Batman

http://www.themovieaddict.com/images/films/batman-begins-45.jpg

Kain

[Anibis]

I like Groo alot as far as combat goes, except I'm not quite as dumb (At least I think I'm not). Letsee, well, probably Dane McGowan from the Invisibles fits my profile most aptly, although Spiderman and I have an affinity... Cheers;
-Ibisis

At the end of the day... I will have to settle on Doctor Who... Doubtless.

[hitman777]

Kuroyagi, I can see how you might see Jason as a lunatic, but I disagree. He has classic superhero traits. He's avenging his mom (similar to Batman and others, avenging a loved one), he displays superhuman powers (ability to regenerate, superhuman strength, sometimes the way he moves around seems almost like teleportation, especially in Friday the 13th part 8), and he attacks those who can't seem to behave themselves (though granted, while he does occasionally kill criminals, like the junkies in 8, the bikers in 3, etc) he does usually seem to slaughter teenagers who can't seem to refrain from promiscuity, and annoying people as well. (He always kills a wannabe, a practical joker who is kind of a dork, etc, etc). While a lot of his killings might be seen as "wrong" he definetly operates on a thought out reasoning pattern, and even when he doesn't, at least it's usually funny. (Like when he kills that fat chick eating the banana on the side of the road in part 4.)
I would definetly count Jason as a superhero. He's got the powers, he's got a seeming strict code of morals that he operates from, and he's avenging a loved one (though granted, his mother was killed while on a killing spree of her own, but she was only on a killing spree in the first place to avenge the death of her son, Jason, who originally drowned because the counselers were too busy screwing to do their jobs and save a drowning retarded kid.)
So, yeah, Jason's a superhero.

[Kuroyagi]

hey hitman, I didnt know all that stuff about Jason- nice info. I watched some of the movies when I was about 13 but havent thought bout them since. maybe I'll buy them just for the heck of it- (along with Zombie which somehow also impressed me then.- best was evil dead of course.), always willing to learn new things.

wow, Jacob- that was awesome- impressive horns, very "Kuro-yagic". nearly every character in that clip, is inspirational (apart from that Ogre-thing that got hit by arrows maybe). I also like the one sorerer guy with his incineration spell-!

Have never read Groo- but he seems to be more a character of caricature (of the warrior type) than a superhero, but looks like fun. I think that superheros- like caricatures- are also exaggerations of certain traits though- yet (in classical terms) are more tragedy than comedy.

yeah batmans quite good too of course!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

What about Condorman?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/357598876_c48bebaba5.jpg

[Kuroyagi]

Believe it or not (Condormans pathetic of course) but Condorman has a special place in my heart- one of the first movies I watched in a cinema as a kid. It was just sooo great- still remember that "fantastic" car-chase with the black and red Porsches---Condorman, banzai!

[m1thr0s]

CondorGirl is kinda cute though...:yes:

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

CondorGirl is kinda cute though...:yes:

m1thr0s

Well on that line of thought...Is there a Super-Bikini-Wearing-Nymphomaniac-Girl?

[MythMath]

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/64/138364.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/BarbarellaPoster.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Barbarella.jpg/150px-Barbarella.jpg

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Wow, fantastic! :laugh:

[fr.novumorganum]

http://www.lanfeust.com/media/archives/albums-watchmen.jpg

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/effect/images/pbone16.jpg

[Okazaki Castle]

Ah, Watchmen, one of the wisest of books. Various perspectives on the Nietzschean Superior Man... and a viable plan for world domination!

More people should learn from Comics. How to get the aliens involved, that's the question. Who'd prosecute such stuff though:

Person 1: 'Erm, sorry, you're taking over the world using a plan you got from a comic book?'
Person2: 'Of course not, aliens don't exist, the governments said so already.'

Dilemma: how come those targetted cases are drained of blood a la cattle mutilations of the 90's by what clearly seems off-planet tech? Well, it's in the script from watchmen. Of course, you're not supposed to take such things as flippantly as all that... but why waste a well psychologized plan when you find it? Make sthings funny also, as it reflects on the Military Generals' lack of strategic insight, being beaten by comic book stuff. They like to be all serious and self-justified you see...

Ah, gotta love the superhero culture: one man can make a difference. Sith Lords do that too: manipulating an anture system around a single will... Does that qualify as a form of Superpower? Mass mind manipulation or smtg...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[hitman777]

There were no cattle mutiliations in Watchmen. And the only "alien" was the fake one Ozymandias dropped in downtown Manhattan to kill everybody with the psychic backlash to make the world powers stop moving toward nuclear war and unite against a fake alien threat.

[fr.novumorganum]

yes, okazaki, i agree about the wisodom of mr. moore, and the need to find lessons in comic books.

reminds me off

it is hard to get the news from poems, but men lay dying in their bed everyday from lack of what is found there

---WCW

[Okazaki Castle]

True hitman but Ozymandias big masterplan to take over the world was to convince them that they were under attack by space aliens. He explains to Jon, Laurie and Rorschach at the end. It sounded like a good plan, so I thought I'd copy it, but make it real this time.

Have you heard of Aaron C Donahue's work on Aliens/Goetia?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

Ah, Watchmen, one of the wisest of books. Various perspectives on the Nietzschean Superior Man... and a viable plan for world domination! Thanks for the neat suggestions, fr novum and Okazaki! I quite agree: intellectual snobbery has been and will be the downfall of many. I myself dont care for "knowledge for its own sake" at all: thats why I throw it around as if it were rubbish (which in this context it also is). The keywords are integration and dispersion, integrate all to oneself, into oneself: reality, irreality, comics and literature or whatever its labelled-

Yesterday I watched the Sin City movie- now those were some superheros too: with their own sense of equality they fought for what they perceived as justice. I especially liked the "Bukowskian" one (the comic has a great cinematographic technic to it, too btw):
http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/filmbilder/sin-city/sin-city-2.jpg
(This ties in nicely with one of my new years resolutions: to start smoking again. :p )

[Okazaki Castle]

Nice resolution Kuroyagi!

On the knowledge thing I'm going to be turning to the principole of 'Ignorance is Power' in the next thread. Or at least acceleration....

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Drakonach]

i prefer uber villians, if you can't tell...oh and btw, The Joker holds a place in my black heart...heheheee

[Naomi]

Jack Nicholson was great in that first movie...

[deviadah]

Ever since the Übermensch, the superman, the world - or at least the western anyway - have been obsessed with this concept. The superhero is a 21st century thing, and before the modern age humans worshipped gods and idols instead of Captain America and American Idol. In a sense the superhero is another form of god!

Perhaps in 5000 years Batman will be viewed as some form of ancient god... if we are still around that is.

The good thing with the concept of the superhero is that is inspires the good deeds that lurk within, but on the other hand the negative aspects is that it puts this higher state of being on a pedestal - it makes it into something that we can never be - but in our dreams. This is wrong I think! Every woman and man is not only a star, but a superstar!

I strive to be:

http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/v655555.jpg

[Kuroyagi]

but on the other hand the negative aspects is that it puts this higher state of being on a pedestal - it makes it into something that we can never be - but in our dreams. This is wrong I think!

Thats absolutely correct I think, dev. and funnily enough those were the misgivings I had about the V movie (at least, since I didnt read the comic)...namely that an "idea" (in this case freedom) is elevated to an ideal which is pretty dangerous if you look at all the fanatic extremisms of esp. the 20th century ideologies (Marxism for example), BUT as with many things, there are very good and magically practical things that can be gleaned out of that too...yes the superhero is a form of bourgeois Übermensch, all the man-god concepts are the children of this age too...or just look at the Japanese Atom Boy [Testuwan Atom] by Tezuka Osamu: this -and (anti) heroes- like The Hulk, are some kind of avatars of nuclear power, as other heroes are incorporations of scientific discoveries like genetics...humans seem to have the need to personify those forces, so I think youre quite correct: "the superhero is the god of our age".

[deviadah]

I am actually, by pure Jungian Coincidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity), listening to the V for Vendetta soundtrack!

It does seem like our collective fears are the powers of so many heroes. For example:

Spiderman - spiders
Hulk - atomic
X-men - mutations, DNA, clones

I was really taken by the film Unbreakable as it took the superhero concept down into a more realistic level, yet kept it as it is supposed to be.

As for V there is a beauty in the concept of the power of ideas, and how they are bulletproof. Especially JUST ideas... and even though we can discuss what is good and what is just ad nauseum we - as intelligent human beings KNOW what is good and what is just - and what is right!

It doesn't matter how clouded one is with hate or greed, anger or lust: in the end - I truly believe - we KNOW what path should be walked upon. Of course it doesn't mean that we walk down this path... but we KNOW!

So in conclusion to my ramblings the Superhero walks the path, the human just looks at it!

:cool:

[Kuroyagi]

Or: Spiderman could also be about "Networks" like the Inter-Net or the large social systems of our societies...

Yes, that bullet-prove aspect of ideas is one of the advantages I alluded to...the mask that makes one anonymous can unify but it can also make fanatical by veiling ones evil deeds...

I do not think that the human can be seperated from the superhero though: the hero is the aware or even: the deluded, human, just as one wants to view it...this very well expresses the fine line we are walking here. I dont believe that all know the good, intuitively, yet maybe Most, as you said...

Also its funny how extreme rationalism or the extreme following of an idea, of any idea seems to convert its adherents into acts of extremes that are opposing that very same idea: like "I'll make humans good and if I have to kill each and everyone of them in that process"...this is very "I Ching" of course...

[deviadah]

"I'll make humans good and if I have to kill each and everyone of them in that process"
Yeah, and that kind of thinking proves we are not ready for deep space exploration!

Have a look at Death Note (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note) if you haven't yet!

:cool:

[Kuroyagi]

Yes absoluetly, "soulmate". I wanted to say that I dont know it yet but forgot it again in the process of writing that post...

[Drakonach]

I've always felt that these icons have always been in part the Jungian archetypes. Each one does in fact retain an inner place within those archetypes, even if it can not be readily seen. Although our superheroes and supervillains had attained godly status, over the years we have begun to take them off of the pedestal and put them into more human situations. Take for instance the love triangle between Wolverine, Jean Grey, and Cyclops, or better yet Tony Stark's suffering as a womanizing alcoholic. Our villain are not immune to these human conditions either. Magneto had gone from a somewhat nonviolent mutant activist into an extreme mutant zealot, to the extreme of being called a mutant terrorist. Of course my fave The Joker had gone from a jovial bank robbing prankster into a psychotic mass murder who blames Batman for his condition. Obsessive Compulsive anyone.. The immortal heroes are not even immune to mortal coil. Silver Surfer suffers from human heartache due to the loss of his wife and children, but more importantly he grieves for the genocide of his entire race at the hands of his former master Galactus. The greatest hero of all time, Superman, became humanized through the love he held for Louis Lane, but more importantly his death at the hands of Doomsday.

As our society has changed over the years, so to have the heroes and villains we have grown to love and hate. I'm interested to see what lies on the horizon for these legends of our times.

[Naomi]

I don't like comic books at all. They're fucking boring.

I like that Spiderman guy though he's cool in the movies, Peter Parker, aw he's so cute...

[frater luciferi]

only comic i could ever really get into was the sandman series..and maybe that from hell graphic novel. but i totally see where everyone is going with this train of thought...

[fr.novumorganum]

no way comics are boring they are r0x0r

[Naomi]

well when you put it like that...

[Kuroyagi]

Here are some comics/manga that I like/d:

Sin City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_city) by Frank Miller,

Sanctuary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_(manga)) by Ryouichi Ikegami,

Hi no Tori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_%28manga%29) [The Firebird] and Adolf ni tsugu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_%28manga%29) by Tezuka Osamu...

Interestingly I agree that most normal superhero comics are quite boring or not that well done, maybe Im more philosophically interested in the concept and the phenomenon itself...but some are good, yet I have looked into a few recommendations from this thread and bought both the first volumes of Promethea and of The Invisibles, they both were good but lacked a bit on the drawings, the aesthetics especially Invisibles that has a good story, moreso than Promethea it seems...last I read the new Conan comics [first four collected volumes written mainly by Busiek and drawn by Nord] from Dark Horse and it was actually quite good, too...

[Naomi]

Ok I did like the first four issues of Curse of Spawn and also Angela (of the Spawn series), Shi, WildC.A.T.S. 4.0 and lastly I was reading the new Spawn: GodSlayer thingie, just one issue though, I liked it, with the big wolf and the evil god. I bought it for my kids though, so, yeah...it's been a long time since I read anything besides my short affair with Neil Gaiman's Sandman series. I like the Sandman character he reminds me of Kangi Tanka, but Gaiman bored me after a while.

If I ever got into comic books again I would pick up Curse of the Spawn again. Seems like series get a good head start and then they taper off again.

My internal dialogue is much more exciting though so I gotta write a comic book or something...I guess...

[deviadah]

My internal dialogue is much more exciting though so I gotta write a comic book or something...
Having seen how you draw I really think you should!

:cool:

[Kuroyagi]

Having seen how you draw I really think you should!

:cool:I think she already did (some joking abra comic (also in cooperation with the infamous SJ), well being a fan of them both I must know ;))..thinking of it, comic would be a very good medium for Naomi, knowing what good a narrator she is...the comics you (Naomi) mentioned there all sound pretty shitty though...yet I cant say, havent read them only Chi...

Drakonach: good examples of what I said! (that humes and superheroes cannot be seperated)...yes, the gods change the heroes change with the ages...why is that? My answer to that is cause WE, also we who are here again and again create new molds for them, new examples and ways in that we lead our lives that are made into stories and myths, or even we ourselves-as artists- filter our experiences and generalize or exaggerate them into a story which again becomes part of the story of this life...

[Anibis]

Oh, I like comics alot. Jim Woodring's Frank is the best one, IMO. The Frank Book (http://www.jimwoodring.com/thefrankbook.html) is a dark and beautiful psychedelic dream. Truly masterful storytelling, bereft of written words. A universal language. Also, for those who enjoy lovecraftian Manga, THIS book (and its two sequels) are not to be missed. Very creepy and VERY cool...
-Anibis

Sandman is brilliant (SO brilliant!), and also I must mention Alan Moore's Promethea (Hermetic), Grant Morrison's Invisibles (Chaote), and Jodorowski and Moebius's Incal series... Jodorowski, by the way is the magus responsible for the cult films El Topo, The Holy Mountain, and Santa Sangre. He also was supposed to do the first adaptation of Dune for the screen, but it fell through. Nobody beats Jodorowski for sheerly perverted orgiastic occult mayhem... Well, maybe Naomi has a running chance, but we'll have to wait and see, there...

Beware the two mouthed fear cow.

:cool:

[Anibis]

If you read Scott Mcloud's Understanding Comics, you will gain a whole new level of respect for the medium, I think... It's very rich.
-A-

[Anibis]

And I would be the Borghal Rantipole, I think, if I needed to be a fiction. For now.

[Naomi]

I think she already did (some joking abra comic (also in cooperation with the infamous SJ), well being a fan of them both I must know ;))..thinking of it, comic would be a very good medium for Naomi, knowing what good a narrator she is...the comics you (Naomi) mentioned there all sound pretty shitty though...yet I cant say, havent read them only Chi...

Drakonach: good examples of what I said! (that humes and superheroes cannot be seperated)...yes, the gods change the heroes change with the ages...why is that? My answer to that is cause WE, also we who are here again and again create new molds for them, new examples and ways in that we lead our lives that are made into stories and myths, or even we ourselves-as artists- filter our experiences and generalize or exaggerate them into a story which again becomes part of the story of this life...


I actually started designing a comic when I was 14-17ish but soon realized I was so godamned tired of fake shit I had to find something real, this lead me eventually to Abrahadabra of course but not for a long time, in the meanwhile I've picked up some great ideas for stories but the thirst for knowledge and wisdom continues so good for me, I don't want to make comics, unless

it's a true story....

:D

[Naomi]

Oh, I like comics alot. Jim Woodring's Frank is the best one, IMO. The Frank Book (http://www.jimwoodring.com/thefrankbook.html) is a dark and beautiful psychedelic dream. Truly masterful storytelling, bereft of written words. A universal language. Also, for those who enjoy lovecraftian Manga, THIS (http://www.amazon.com/Uzumaki-1-Junji-Ito/dp/1569317143) book (and its two sequels) are not to be missed. Very creepy and VERY cool...
-Anibis

Sandman is brilliant (SO brilliant!), and also I must mention Alan Moore's Promethea (Hermetic), Grant Morrison's Invisibles (Chaote), and Jodorowski and Moebius's Incal series... Jodorowski, by the way is the magus responsible for the cult films El Topo, The Holy Mountain, and Santa Sangre. He also was supposed to do the first adaptation of Dune for the screen, but it fell through. Nobody beats Jodorowski for sheerly perverted orgiastic occult mayhem... Well, maybe Naomi has a running chance, but we'll have to wait and see, there...

Beware the two mouthed fear cow.

:cool:

What do you mean "we'll wait and see", just who will wait and see? are you videotaping me via cow???

I like Promethea but only got the first two issues the month they came out. I don't know what's been going on since then. I don't like chicks...chicks in comic books anyways...