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Little Billy
01-16-2007, 01:22 PM
"It is a great shock to discover that, in a world of Gary Coopers, you are the Indian."
--James Baldwin

"I have the horror of death with the still greater horror of living."
--Oscar Wilde (In reading gaol (prison), March 10, 1896)

"Monkey wants the food pellet, monkey pushes the button."
--The Good Reverend Roger, during a vicious drunk, 2003

Brothers and Sisters, sinners and mutants, freaks and walking glitches, I bid you a good evening. This evening, we are gonna talk about prisons.
Now, there are a few different kinds of prisons...there is The Big House, The Prison of Toil, and the Prison of Your Frickin' Head.

The Big House, as we all know, is the prison they send you to when you get caught breaking one of their rules (Which, as Kafka noted, you can't help doing. The rules are so complex, you WILL break them, every day). We aren't gonna talk too much about this type of prison, because you can see that on any network, though not so much now as the last couple of years...save for this: All of those prison TV shows, "Inside reports", "OZ", "The Big House", ad infinitum, ad nauseum, are there for a reason. The lesson they impart, my friends, is this: If you get out of line, we'll put you in a cell with people like THESE!

The Prison of Toil, however, is a prison they put you into starting at age 5. You are placed in an unnatural state for a juvenile primate; you are forced to wear clothes, sit in an uncomfortable position, and stay still for HOURS while they teach ya the proper art of the Fnord. You are told that you must excel, so you can go to college, where presumably, the Fnords can't get you. Once you get to college, however, you are told that you must continue to toil, so that you can get a good job...you STILL aren't safe from the Fnords. Then, one day, you graduate to the supposed "real world", where you are told that you must now work hard for your parole at 65...becaus if you don't the Fnords will make you eat dog-food in your retirement...WHAT A SUPRISE! The Fnords don't eat children, they eat senior citizens. They lied AGAIN!

The problem is, even if you DO follow their advice, you are still screwed. By the time you are paroled, you are too old to enjoy it, and just like real prison, most inmates don't LIVE long enough to GET parole. What can you do about this? How can you escape THIS prison, which has no bars (though many inmates DO have cells, or cubes as we call them)? Well first, you have to escape the REAL prison, The Prison of Your Frickin' Head.

The Prison of Your Frickin' Head is the worst jail of all...As G.G. Gordon once said, "Where can you run, where can you hide, when the man in blue is on the INSIDE?" This is the prison from which very few people get out alive. There is NO parole, and you will spend all the days of your life inside it, should you not escape. This is the prison built for you by those around you, wih your willing help. It is done in the following fashion:

1. You are convinced by society that you are not good enough, and that all of your accomplishments so far have been GOOD LUCK. You will be found out for (as RAW said) the "no good shit" you are. The only escape from this is ego-training, or stupidity. Most talented people think, deep down inside, that they are frauds. Most utter fools consider themselves gawd-like. Go figure.

2. You are told by society that they are watching. Just who they are is never made clear; but it IS made clear that they had better not catch you in any funny-business, or you are screwed. (Of course, they are the Fnords)

3. You are taught to "fit in", one way or the other. Either you fit in to the mold the establishment sets up for you, or you rebel...and most rebels tend to fit into one group or another (Goth, Punker, New-age bliss zombie, Discordian, Subgenius, etc)...and if you aren't careful you fall into the conformity of non-conformists. If you don't dress a certain way, or mouth the correct ritual sayings, you are obviously a "normal" or a "grayface"...Despite the fact that the weirdest freaks, the truest Yeti, usually BLEND RIGHT IN!

So what do we do about it? How do we escape? We escape SYSTEMATICALLY. You don't saw each bar a little at a time, you whack each bar out, methodically...thus:

1. For the ingrained failure complex, use ego-training. Not that "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough" affirmation shit, either. No, you are superior. This is proven by the fact that you even noticed the cage in your head at all! When you look in the mirror, don't THINK there are no flaws, KNOW there are no flaws. When you screw up, screw up catastophically! ROLL IN YOUR MISTAKES! WALLOW IN THEM, AND LEARN FROM THEM. Embrace omnifallibility! Most "normals" will start wars to avoid admitting they made a mistake. Don't fall into that trap. When you are no longer afraid of mistakes, you will make less of them, and you WON'T CARE about the ones you still DO make.

2. There is no they. You've been lied to, all these years. THERE ARE NO FNORDS! There never have been. The cage is only in your head, there is no warden, and we are all free, should we realize it. It's all a collosal LIE. Now, most people are afraid of freedom. They might make a mistake...for that, see #1. As far as getting caught and going to The Big House, well, if you can't outwit the morons who run the system, then you aren't much of a Yeti after all, are you? LIE to them, SMILE in their face, and KEEP YOUR BOBDAMNED MOUTH SHUT AFTER PRANKS! He who kicks society in the crotch and shuts his mouth, usually lives to kick it again tomorrow.

3. Don't worry about fitting in. Just because you LIKE to dress like a Goth, for example, doesn't make you a conformist...provided that's REALLY why you do it (as opposed to seeking acceptance from Goths). If you say to yourself, "Is my image perfect today", you are probably screwing up. If you say, "Cool" when you look in the mirror, you're probably ok...the best rule is, if you are BEING YOURSELF, don't sweat it.

Or kill me.

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 01:42 PM
Good advice for teenagers. Personally I can't even remember the time when what other people think or what so-called society wishes was of any import to me, and none of the people I consider my closest friends (spread across Europe) are worried about it either.

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Good advice for teenagers. Personally I can't even remember the time when what other people think or what so-called society wishes was of any import to me, and none of the people I consider my closest friends (spread across Europe) are worried about it either.

Wow. That's the best backhanded "compliment" I've ever seen.

Note to other perfect beings: Please disregard this thread. It's only for teenagers.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 01:50 PM
There is, however cage-dancing in bars, from what I gather. This does sortof sound like dogma, and every rule has its escape clause... Some would say that form itself is a prison, while others would say that such restriction opens up possibility itself. Take the game of chess. Peices on said board can do whatever they like, and it remains an 8x8 checkered board with a bunch of cared peices of wood. And when you restrict these peices by giving them rules, all of a sudden it becomes a window into infinity (albeit of a particular sort). As it is said: "All these things are True in some Sense, False in another, Meaningless in yet another, and True False and Meaningless still." And I say to this 'Mu'.
-Ibisis
And I consider what I look like to others, because I know that 'being me' means being in the world, and being in the world means being a composite of perceptions, and being a composite of perceptions means that I am, more or less what I appear to be. Its just that the observer itself appears to be somewhat aloof.

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 01:54 PM
And I consider what I look like to others, because I know that 'being me' means being in the world, and being in the world means being a composite of perceptions, and being a composite of perceptions means that I am, more or less what I appear to be. Its just that the observer itself appears to be somewhat aloof.

Yes, but do you let that consideration dictate how you behave?

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 01:58 PM
Wow. That's the best backhanded "compliment" I've ever seen.

Note to other perfect beings: Please disregard this thread. It's only for teenagers.

I don't mean any disrespect, I'm not questioning the validity of your rant, but in truth if you were to meet me in a bar and tell me these things I'd consider you to be grossly underestimating my own experience of life and inferring that I was in someway a retard. ;)

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:02 PM
I certainly adjust my behavior in regards to what I know other people will dig. You must understand, this is out of respect. It's all po-mo and stuff to consider freedom to be 'breaking free' of convention and the prison of expectation, but to tell you the truth it's just as vital to know when not to excercise said freedom. True freedom is paradoxical that way. It's just about speaking the language of the locals, if you catch my drift. I appreciate absurdism as much as the next guy, but as a wise clown once told me: 'I am more careful with these levels of irony nowadays, they are like a lilly-pad that I tickle." As opposed to stomping upon, as it were. You can guess who was stomping at the time.
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:05 PM
I don't mean any disrespect, I'm not questioning the validity of your rant, but in truth if you were to meet me in a bar and tell me these things I'd consider you to be grossly underestimating my own experience of life and inferring that I was in someway a retard. ;)

Well, I can't control your reactions. Sorry. But what I DO know is that I have so far posted 2 pieces, and you made sure to tell me how juvenile both were. If you feel that way, great. Hell, I've seen one or two threads here that I found ridiculous as hell...but I felt no need to puff up my chest, run in, and say so.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to check my options inre: board functions.

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:08 PM
I certainly adjust my behavior in regards to what I know other people will dig. You must understand, this is out of respect. It's all po-mo and stuff to consider freedom to be 'breaking free' of convention and the prison of expectation, but to tell you the truth it's just as vital to know when not to excercise said freedom. True freedom is paradoxical that way. It's just about speaking the language of the locals, if you catch my drift. I appreciate absurdism as much as the next guy, but as a wise clown once told me: 'I am more careful with these levels of irony nowadays, they are like a lilly-pad that I tickle." As opposed to stomping upon, as it were. You can guess who was stomping at the time.
-Ibisis


Well, sure. I'm not suggesting that anyone go to a job interview in clown shoes (hence the "blending in" comment near the end). What I am saying is that clothing is one example of how people associate themselves with a herd.

Dressing appropriately for work = basic survival.

Dressing a certain way because all of your friends do, or because it's how the teevee told you everyone is dressing = another cage.

Naomi
01-16-2007, 02:09 PM
I think that they are good reminders, and even after a few million years...

especially after a few million years

and even after only a few years or a few days....

everyone needs reminders.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:13 PM
I'd go to a job interview in clown shoes. Doubtlessly.
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:15 PM
I think that they are good reminders, and even after a few million years...

especially after a few million years

and even after only a few years or a few days....

everyone needs reminders.

Thanks. I realize that this, in particular, was simple common sense to many people, but I thought of what I viewed as a fresh approach to it, and just spewed a rant.

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 02:15 PM
I'd go to a job interview in clown shoes. Doubtlessly.
-Ibisis

All I need to remember for a job interview is: "Pants first, THEN trousers" :D

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:15 PM
I'd go to a job interview in clown shoes. Doubtlessly.
-Ibisis

:laugh:

LB,
Would pay top dollar to see that.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:17 PM
I am a professional clown, after all.
-Ibisis

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:19 PM
Are you the Good Reverend Roger, by the way?
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:21 PM
Are you the Good Reverend Roger, by the way?
-Ibisis

Yes, at a few boards (PD, EB&G, a couple of others). Why do you ask?

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:25 PM
Just checking... I'm an old Friend of Eris. Met her a few times. She always took me for a ride. Intro'd me to magic. Your rants remind me of alot of old times...
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:26 PM
Just checking... I'm an old Friend of Eris. Met her a few times. She always took me for a ride. Intro'd me to magic. Your rants remind me of alot of old times...
-Ibisis


Who were you on PD?

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:32 PM
Oh no I wasn't there. I just google HIMEOBS and found your posts...
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-16-2007, 02:33 PM
Oh no I wasn't there. I just google HIMEOBS and found your posts...
-Ibisis


Har har!

I was a founding member of HIMEOBS. I left when they stopped bashing pedo & racist boards, and started bashing everyone they could find.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:35 PM
Wasn't sure, had to do recon. I assume you are here for the right reasons, so no problem.
-Ibisis

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 02:35 PM
Oh no I wasn't there. I just google HIMEOBS and found your posts...
-Ibisis

What the hell is HIMEOBS anyway?

Anibis
01-16-2007, 02:40 PM
Har har!

I was a founding member of HIMEOBS. I left when they stopped bashing pedo & racist boards, and started bashing everyone they could find.

Sort of like an out of control covert ops style giant amoeba thing?
-Ibisis

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 02:57 PM
What the hell is HIMEOBS anyway?

Come on someone. Enlighten me.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 03:08 PM
It appears to be team of 'crack trolls' that hit up boards to cause havoc. Tied in with Operation Mindfuck, the Principia Discordia and that sort of thing. Beyond this I know little. Little Billy is the man in the know here.
-Ibisis
I actually rather like this line: "However, the Terrible Eye of HIMEOBS is upon yuo." It is very Saurony. Mind you, the typo hurts it. Hehe It's kindof fun, but I must say that it is strange that they would see fit to attack these boards. Like I said, out of control radioactive Ameoba effect, must be.

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 03:19 PM
It appears to be team of 'crack trolls' that hit up boards to cause havoc. Tied in with Operation Mindfuck, the Principia Discordia and that sort of thing. Beyond this I know little. Little Billy is the man in the know here.
-Ibisis
I actually rather like this line: "However, the Terrible Eye of HIMEOBS is upon yuo." It is very Saurony. Mind you, the typo hurts it. Hehe It's kindof fun, but I must say that it is strange that they would see fit to attack these boards. Like I said, out of control radioactive Ameoba effect, must be.

A-ha. "His Imperial Majesty"? Strange title, or are they fans of HIM Akihito? :D

Anibis
01-16-2007, 03:25 PM
Who is that?
-Ibisis
A Subgenius Reverend once share with me this Latin motto: "Recidite Plebes, Gero Rem Imperialis."; Stand aside Plebians, I'm on Imperial business... heh heh don't use it much, never was big on empires, unless they're Norton's that is...

Ci Celli Ddu
01-16-2007, 03:27 PM
Who is that?
-Ibisis
A Subgenius Reverend once share with me this Latin motto: "Recidite Plebes, Gero Rem Imperialis."; Stand aside Plebians, I'm on Imperial business... heh heh don't use it much, never was big on empires, unless they're Norton's that is...

The only Imperial Majesty that I know of. The Emperor of Japan.

Anibis
01-16-2007, 03:31 PM
Oh, fair enough. I guess that one was obvious. I would say this thread is getting off topic, but somehow I'd say this one qualifies as a free for all. With your permission Little Billy? Tell us more about Himeobs!
-Ibisis

Okazaki Castle
01-16-2007, 06:24 PM
Or kill me.

Far better to kill others for your beliefs than being willing to die for them...

Regards,
Oazaki.

fr.novumorganum
01-16-2007, 06:25 PM
Far better to kill others for your beliefs than being willing to die for them...

Regards,
Oazaki.

far better to get others to die for your beliefs:dogma: :bowdown:

Okazaki Castle
01-16-2007, 06:34 PM
Ah yes, of course, that's what I meant Fr N.O. ... ;)

So, the Japanese Imperial Family. Now they are interesting. We have Princess Masako, we have Masaaki Hatsumi. We have Princess Takamanstu too. We have Crown Prince Naruhito, who is an honorary fellow of Balliol College, Oxford, the original home of effortles superiority in anglo-saxon culture (of course, the Spartans did it first and prbbly most stylishly). And we have Akihito, who sponsors that well-known international terrorrist organisation whose headquarters are in his Imperial Compound in Kyoto, Aleph, fomerly known as Aum Shinrikyo, who do scalar tech with Hideo Murai's work etc.

My personal favourite at the moment is still 'Banzai!', ie '10, 000 years!'

I always found the way yakuza control everything form politics to finance to be very funny too. Here, we'll put a democratic government there for the westerners to talk to but we''ll keep doing Way of the Sword thank you very much....

all the best,
Oazaki.

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 01:04 AM
Oh, fair enough. I guess that one was obvious. I would say this thread is getting off topic, but somehow I'd say this one qualifies as a free for all. With your permission Little Billy? Tell us more about Himeobs!
-Ibisis


A once-fun trolling group given to hilarious graphic images and podcasts.

Since declined into standard trolling, but they still shut down a board a week.

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 01:05 AM
Far better to kill others for your beliefs than being willing to die for them...

Regards,
Oazaki.


Well, Or Kill Me is kind of hard to explain to non-Subgenius types.

MythMath
01-17-2007, 01:24 AM
Try...or kill me... :p

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 01:43 AM
Try...or kill me... :p

Well, it's loosely related to Patrick Henry's famous "...give me liberty or give me death." Obviously, Mr Henry was enthusiastic about liberty. Well, so are we, but we're enthusiastic about EVERYTHING, so we just stick the Or Kill Me on the end of any given rant. Or at least some of us do. I know I do.

Or...well, you know.

ETA: Also, sometimes it is used as an expression of exasperation. No, we don't say which it is in any given spouting.

Lucian
01-17-2007, 01:57 AM
I enjoyed thy rant, and found it useful.

I still struggle terribly with:

"
1. You are convinced by society that you are not good enough, and that all of your accomplishments so far have been GOOD LUCK. You will be found out for (as RAW said) the "no good shit" you are. The only escape from this is ego-training, or stupidity. Most talented people think, deep down inside, that they are frauds. Most utter fools consider themselves gawd-like. Go figure.
[...]
So what do we do about it? How do we escape? We escape SYSTEMATICALLY. You don't saw each bar a little at a time, you whack each bar out, methodically...thus:

1. For the ingrained failure complex, use ego-training. Not that "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough" affirmation shit, either. No, you are superior. This is proven by the fact that you even noticed the cage in your head at all! When you look in the mirror, don't THINK there are no flaws, KNOW there are no flaws. When you screw up, screw up catastophically! ROLL IN YOUR MISTAKES! WALLOW IN THEM, AND LEARN FROM THEM. Embrace omnifallibility! Most "normals" will start wars to avoid admitting they made a mistake. Don't fall into that trap. When you are no longer afraid of mistakes, you will make less of them, and you WON'T CARE about the ones you still DO make.

I will use this. Hell - I might frame this.

Good post.

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 02:04 AM
I enjoyed thy rant, and found it useful.

I still struggle terribly with:



I will use this. Hell - I might frame this.

Good post.


Thanks. Omnifallibilty is an idea whose time has come.

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 02:32 AM
A once-fun trolling group given to hilarious graphic images and podcasts.

Since declined into standard trolling, but they still shut down a board a week.


Example of HIMEOBS work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ut8U1_yX2w

Only work safe if you keep the volume really, really low.

Anibis
01-17-2007, 07:42 AM
Well, Or Kill Me is kind of hard to explain to non-Subgenius types.

The line goes like this 'Give me Slack, or give me food, or kill me'... a standard SubG tagline.
-Ibisis

Little Billy
01-17-2007, 12:56 PM
The line goes like this 'Give me Slack, or give me food, or kill me'... a standard SubG tagline.
-Ibisis


Actually, that's only one variation of the basic "Or Kill Me".

Anibis
01-17-2007, 02:00 PM
Okay, I didn't know that... Interesting...
-Ibisis

m1thr0s
01-17-2007, 04:34 PM
kinda sounds like a nervous twitch to me...but I can live with it...:cool:

m1thr0s

Little Billy
01-18-2007, 01:22 AM
kinda sounds like a nervous twitch to me...but I can live with it...:cool:

m1thr0s

Yeah, I'm working on that.