View Full Version : Professionalism and Luciferianism
AppleJack
10-09-2005, 10:16 PM
Luciferianism is a great path but one thing that seems to hold a lot of us back I think is the lack of professionalism that happens on boards such as occult forums. Example: poster 1 says christianity is a good mystical system. Instead of posting thoughtful questions to how poster 1 came to there conclusion poster 2 says " xiatainist christians suck !!!!!!!!!!". People listen to those who debate and talk with class not garbage. What type of doctor would you want operating on you? One who can fluently use 14 letter words or the one talking about getting in a fight at the local bar over a game of pool?
So in conclusion relax a bit on the emotion and put a little substance in the post. I myself and guilty of it and am trying to become a more professional poster. What are your thoughts on posting as a luciferian?
Ğanisty
10-10-2005, 09:44 AM
I agree with you. I've actually had quite a bit of success on other forums when talking about Luciferianism because I don't get defensive about it. When people make assumptions, I correct them. When people ask questions, I answer them. A few people have told me that I've completely changed their minds about Lucifer, etc.
I've found myself actually defending Christians on a few forums with a high percentage of atheists. Sticking up for other people's right to believe goes a long way in becoming 'accepted'.
frater luciferi
10-10-2005, 03:34 PM
their is three things i rever most-and would consider myself a charlatan and a poor occultist if i rejected or betrayed-
one is the truth, secondly i value the principles of logic and reason and basically the scientific method, if either logic and reason are defied by a principle it odviously cannot be the truth. I know its really simple but i have discovered that simple works best for the most part.
although i do admit to falling into a anti-christian mode when arguing about things sometimes, a fault i need to alieviate.
AppleJack
10-10-2005, 08:56 PM
I think as long as we watch ourself's from the start we can keep this forum proffesional.
although i do admit to falling into a anti-christian mode when arguing about things sometimes, a fault i need to alieviate.
I can say I have filled lots of forums with anti-christian rhetoric. Lately I have been able to go and talk about being a Luciferian and defend myself much more intelligentlly without directly attacking someone.
one is the truth, secondly i value the principles of logic and reason and basically the scientific method, if either logic and reason are defied by a principle it odviously cannot be the truth. I know its really simple but i have discovered that simple works best for the most part.
I agree :D :D :D .
AppleJack
10-10-2005, 09:01 PM
Sticking up for other people's right to believe goes a long way in becoming 'accepted'.
Yes, no matter who is posting Chrsitian ,Luciferian, Deist, or Satanist we should show respect to those who show it to us.
Arcadios
10-13-2005, 01:03 AM
Yes, but if they show it to me oppressively, I feel the need to rip it to shreds. It's an automatic thing; if they make me angry, I'm going to show it.
frater luciferi
10-13-2005, 03:15 PM
Yes, no matter who is posting Chrsitian ,Luciferian, Deist, or Satanist we should show respect to those who show it to us.
i think we'd be hypocrites if we did'nt.
I haven't seen many cases of a Luciferian exhibiting an unreasonable demeanor when in discussion. This is seen more in the behavior of neophyte Satanists.
Arcadios
10-14-2005, 01:49 PM
Are we talking like, Anton LeVay Satanists, or Zeena LeVay Satanists?
Crucible
10-17-2005, 11:04 AM
Luciferianism=The Gentleman's Path.......this means you too Ladies
Ğanisty
10-17-2005, 12:22 PM
Luciferianism=The Gentleman's Path.......this means you too LadiesLol...no problem. Apparently that's nothing new for me anyway. I was on an all-female forum last week and they were joking about how stupid they act when they're drunk. I responded with a lot of confusion because I usually just sit in my recliner and drink with my friends and discuss history, philosophy, politics, etc. They accused me of drinking like a gentleman...lol.
Luciferianism=The Gentleman's Path.......this means you too Ladies
Absolutely! I wish more people understood this. Luciferians should refine their ways and worship the beauty of the world. From one Gnostic viewpoint it is possible to consider this world as "Hell" (who will deny that evil happens all the time around us?), so by adding beauty, good manners, education and freedom to this world, we're actually making "Hell" a better place ... :rolleyes:
Agreed; the world is a dismal place, but this is not a result of the world itself. What makes the world so wretched is the human impulse for exploitation and conflict, and the strict adherence to constructed paradigms which often go against individual nature. The Luciferian, by his or her nature, has no problem with discarding a tired paradigm if he or she has found truth elsewhere, and most who have found evil in the human element of the world seek refuge in the innocence and goodness of the world outside of humanity. The nonhuman world is a temple to subtle beauty. The wise Gnostic understands that although the world was nailed together by the Demiurge, the latent design was forged in Pleroma itself.
Good manners are a matter of self-respect; how do you want to be seen? You may be presenting ideas contrary to the preference of the masses, but leave it to the masses to lose their composure. Then you represent your path well, no matter what kind of difference you have or have not made outside of the path. This is for your benefit and yours alone.
Naomi
02-10-2008, 04:09 PM
And what makes humans separate from the universe? are they not byproducts of this world? I don't buy it - I think the design is perfect - perfection is perfection or it's not. I think the inability to see perfection and beauty in all things is only a state of consciousness itself. Only after passing through the fire of the supreme brahman or pleroma does this become apparent though.
"In reality,
Know nothing as pure or impure."
- Siva
Nothing separates humans from the Universe. It's illusory...but within this illusion, quite a bit of damage can be done. The imperfections of the world stand out boldly, and they're often a product of whatever illusion a man or many men adopt as absolute.
frater luciferi
02-24-2008, 03:34 AM
Nothing separates humans from the Universe. It's illusory...but within this illusion, quite a bit of damage can be done. The imperfections of the world stand out boldly, and they're often a product of whatever illusion a man or many men adopt as absolute.
now that you realize that you probably will realize that even the smallest of our actions can make dramatic ripples throughout the fabric of the all..
Keyword there is "can"; not necessarily "will". A single man's idea can spark a massive revolution. The Butterfly Effect, in my opinion, is an indisputable reality, but it's not universal. Not every action causes a tsunami in the longrun...often, its energy is merely absorbed back into the body of the All.
But that doesn't alleviate individual responsibility for actions; one must always be cautious of the potential long-term outcome of a decision.
Out of curiosity, were you referring to anything in particular, or was this a general comment?
frater luciferi
02-25-2008, 03:22 PM
just a general statement..
yatesbsy23
05-23-2008, 02:53 AM
I feel incredibly fortunate to have found this forum.
As one who has recently discovered the Luciferian path I had begun to fear that I was alone in my beliefs. I'm tremendously relieved to find that there are learned others online who are not only likeminded but actually seem willing to offer a foundation of support for those such as myself who are seeking knowledge, instruction and friendship.
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