What are god's powers?

[Ðanisty]

Excluding, for the moment, God's supposed powers of creation in Genesis, what can God do? I mean God alone and not Christ. It seems that the only thing he really does is destruction. I have a point, but I'd like some resonses first.

[Alarum]

The power to be the greatest arsehole of all time lol? I'm assuming you mean the Christian God.
If so then he's a good liar too, destruction is also high up there... but then he's meant to be the God of love and forgivness... which kind of gives him super hypocrite powers too lmao. Oh, and he knows just about everything... even the number of hairs on your head. He gives and takes life whenever he feels like it, and he does things randomly and without pattern which means heis followers believe he works in mysterious ways. He's one brainy guy.

[Amur]

Well if we scrap the xtian god and look at Hunab Ku the Supreme Creator god, of the mayan civilization, they have quite alot in common with Genesis in "Popol Vuh" and read somewhere that the Supreme was for the mayans too complex/massive/small/out-of-reach to even start to understand or grasp, so they concentrated on lesser gods which were closer to humans :) But then again the source might be a fluke also....

Looking at this dream world I would say that if one attaints godhood, one can do whatever the imagination allows..

[Arcadios]

The power to be the greatest arsehole of all time lol? I'm assuming you mean the Christian God.


I have to say that I hate it when people say stuff like that. It could be because you're implying that something exists that I don't believe in, but I think it's just because you sound immature.

If so then he's a good liar too, destruction is also high up there... but then he's meant to be the God of love and forgivness... which kind of gives him super hypocrite powers too lmao. Oh, and he knows just about everything... even the number of hairs on your head. He gives and takes life whenever he feels like it, and he does things randomly and without pattern which means heis followers believe he works in mysterious ways. He's one brainy guy.

As far as the Bible goes, I wouldn't say God ever did anything I really disagreed with. He laid down one rule and it was broken, so humans were punished. He was forced to lay down more, which were broken, and humans were again punished. As far as that pattern goes, I wouldn't say he's done anything a good parent wouldn't do, but he did it on a grander scale.

I guess you could say, my problem never has been with God. It's always been his followers.

Anyway, the Bible describes Him as being omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. That is, all-knowing, all-powerful, and everywhere. Biblically, there was nothing he couldn't do. (That is, besides fail. I don't want to hear that "Can he create a stone he couldn't lift?" bullshit because it's been played out.)

[TLF]

As far as the Bible goes, I wouldn't say God ever did anything I really disagreed with. He laid down one rule and it was broken, so humans were punished. He was forced to lay down more, which were broken, and humans were again punished. As far as that pattern goes, I wouldn't say he's done anything a good parent wouldn't do, but he did it on a grander scale.

Except that his rule, in Genesis, is that Adam and Eve should stay away from the Tree of Knowledge ... That's like forbidding your children to go to school and learn anything. That's a core problem in fanatical Moslem societies and certainly not something I agree with.

[Ðanisty]

As far as that pattern goes, I wouldn't say he's done anything a good parent wouldn't do, but he did it on a grander scale.

I guess you could say, my problem never has been with God. It's always been his followers.Wow, I've always seen God as a terrible parent. Plus, my problem has always been with him rather than Christ.

[m1thr0s]

I see no reason to accept the idea of god at all personally. Not as any kind of person at least. Viewed as a principle it has more value by far, yet even then it's a tricky sort of definition. god really seems to me to be more of a projection point in human consciousness itself...something always ahead of us or beyond us in some way. We seem to require this as a matter of personal striving but any time it has come into a distinct definition it has promptly proceeded to turn sour.

Those who believe in god strongly cannot be dissuaded from this belief, nor is there any reason to do so necessarily. Kids believe in fairies and we let them...it does no harm really. Belief in god in itself does no real harm either save only when it seeks to restrict the lives of others who do not share this belief. But god has never been proved and I think it never will be. People have invented it for reasons of their own and i think the reason is that we need this "projection point", by whatever name we give it, to complete ourselves in some way.

So for me, "god" and the "tao-teh" point are essentially the same thing and all the rest is an embellishment...a fabrication, straight up, defended with violence and aggression in most cases which ultimately defeats it's truest purpose.

m1thr0s

[Ðanisty]

Belief in god in itself does no real harm either save only when it seeks to restrict the lives of others who do not share this belief.I agree. I think believing serves a purpose for some people and I'm fine with that. Maybe it doesn't bother me as much because I'm a theistic Luciferian.

[m1thr0s]

Maybe it doesn't bother me as much because I'm a theistic Luciferian.Ok, so as a theistic Luciferian, when you ask what god can do...I take it you must essentially be referring to the biblical "god", with the exception that you would logically be rejecting substantial portions of his presumed authority...

In such a case, isn't the answer to your question already essentially answered in advance? In other words, if this god is not "true god" in any sense relevant to human beings (or other sentient beings such as Lucifer for instance), then all it really amounts to is an obstacle and an obstruction nes pas? So all it really has the power to do is to confound and confuse all issues relating to "true god" whatever this may be...even if that truth reveals no god at all in the end.

In that case it has the power to perpetrate a hoax even all the way to the throne of god itself...no more or less than this really. It appears to accomplish this primarily by pretending to be god incarnate which allows it maximum exposure over the minds of the unsuspecting, its principle feeding ground apparently. That would seem to make it roughly equivalent to the vedic Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)) in that case and is something that exists primarily to be overcome.

m1thr0s

[Ðanisty]

That would seem to make it roughly equivalent to the vedic Maya in that case and is something that exists primarily to be overcome.That makes sense to me (from what I just read of it...never heard of it before). So would you say that "god" has an uncanny "ability" to make people believe whatever he wants? I don't necessarily mean literally.

[m1thr0s]

So would you say that "god" has an uncanny "ability" to make people believe whatever he wants? I don't necessarily mean literally.In the strictest possible sense, Maya has no center of its own. It is essentially an abheration of the subconscious mind itself which is why it seems so powerful. It links to fear and loathing at the subconscious levels of mind and also links to what the ascetics termed the 5 Deadly Passions. In the world as we experience it normally, these areas of mind are hidden from us but as soon as we step up a notch in energy they have the power to come forward and assume shape. If we have not developed the wisdom and discipline to recognize and control these aspects of mind, they have the power to overcome us and thereby limit our advancement.

edit: since it roots in the "collective unconscious" and not just our own individual unconscious minds, it has the power to seem "universal" - and in a sense it really is - but we still have the ability to rise above it on a personal level...it's just not an especially easy thing to do...so it basically has the power to play out our worst fears and it also has access to all of our hidden thoughts and passions, giving it a potent advantage that would seem "godlike" if we did not understand its own inherent mechanism. Recognizing it for what it is is the first step in overcoming it...this is essentially what Lucifer does when he stands up to it...he calls its "bluff" which then sends it into rampage mode...but the bluff is ultimately just a bluff...it has no actual power over us that we do not ourselves give it.

m1thr0s

[Ðanisty]

edit: since it roots in the "collective unconscious" and not just our own individual unconscious minds, it has the power to seem "universal" - and in a sense it really is - but we still have the ability to rise above it on a personal level...it's just not an especially easy thing to do...so it basically has the power to play out our worst fears and it also has access to all of our hidden thoughts and passions, giving it a potent advantage that would seem "godlike" if we did not understand its own inherent mechanism. Recognizing it for what it is is the first step in overcoming it...this is essentially what Lucifer does when he stands up to it...he calls its "bluff" which then sends it into rampage mode...but the bluff is ultimately just a bluff...it has no actual power over us that we do not ourselves give it.I understand everything you've said here, but I've never considered it under this context (as being a "power of god"). It makes sense though.

[m1thr0s]

I'll let you in a little chemognosis insight...although I don't recommend trying it necessarily. If you want to meet the "god" in question, all you have to do is ingest any of a number of scientifically classified "deleriants"...before you know it you'll have wrath and judgment slathered all over the walls. Now it happens that "delerium" is the same essential state of mind you will slide into if you were to get lost in the desert without adequate food and water for a prolonged period of time...not Sammadhi...not the Hindu "Soma" state...nor "Moksha"...but technical Delerium...big difference.

The mind is a powerful machine and it is an innately visual (or holographic) one as well...

m1thr0s

[Crucible]

I think that we should explore the question..."Who is this god?" first and foremost. From a theistic view he's THE supreme ruler of heaven (the skies according to the actual meaning of this word), and only heaven since Lucifer (Haylel, Enkil, Enqi, etc) is the supposed ruler of this earth, and Satan (Samael) is the ruler of hell. If this is the case then his omnipotent power seems to be that he is able to trespass upon one's property without apology. From some we have this as being a part of your mental being, thus he is the one who controls your thoughts, and from others he is Yahweh, Jehova, Enlil, Anu, Amon Re, and whoever else had control for a time and is no more powerful than the Mornigstar or even Satan.

Maybe to explore his power we may need to acknowledge the hold that he may have upon us individually, or maybe we need to ask, "Why do we care that he isn't worth a damned?"

[Shadow]

Excluding, for the moment, God's supposed powers of creation in Genesis, what can God do? I mean God alone and not Christ. It seems that the only thing he really does is destruction. I have a point, but I'd like some resonses first.
I use large type so I see. LOL
Those bibles are political corruptions for the sole purpose to enslave. (mind control for power via warfare) I do not believe for one second that the deia of biblical lore created anything? The bible is nothing but a political edited mishmashing of twisted histories, different deias "real and fabricated" all rolled into one. What else can I say?
Satsurn

[Ðanisty]

I use large type so I see. LOL
Those bibles are political corruptions for the sole purpose to enslave. (mind control for power via warfare) I do not believe for one second that the deia of biblical lore created anything? The bible is nothing but a political edited mishmashing of twisted histories, different deias "real and fabricated" all rolled into one. What else can I say?
SatsurnHere's the deal though. Whether or not we think it's baloney, they believe it and I think it would be helpful to understand where they are coming from.

[Shadow]

Here's the deal though. Whether or not we think it's baloney, they believe it and I think it would be helpful to understand where they are coming from.

Danisty very well said! As a Luciferian we accept all paradigms, as each and almost any knowledge structures, or (belief structures) have a place in the greater scheme with in the light of spacial time. I am not sure whether or not if Luciferianism is something that can be taught or dragooned into someone, rather Luciferianism is an awakening, a realization that there is so much more than even the imagination can dream up. It is the busting out of some boundary condition shell that we are born into, not knowing that such greater ideas, greater structures, greater truths, and even greater feelings/experiences await beyond the boundary, and when we experience all that is beyond, there we see yet more boundary conditions to go beyond. The problem I ran into last year was that religious clergy attempted to convert me to their belief structure using the great bishop Lucifer Caglieri as a sort of bait and switch. I seen a great pagan knowledge structure reduced to automation, deceit, and deception, and they called it religion and wanted me to worship with them. In the end, I seen it for what it is or was, (something of no life) and I think that really turned me off for a long time. I could no more kneel to some so called deity than I could walk using the hair on my head as my legs. I put this in my favs and will clarify and discern what I have learned as soon as I get a little more time to do so, which should be in about ten days. I have never wanted or desired any to convert to the Luciferian paradigm as I do not believe that is even possible. The individual must awaken from the deep death sleep of the angelic sandmen of enslavement. And Danisty I know I am probably off topic, in the wrong thread, and posting incorrectly, but I just found this site again and it will take time for me to get used to it. I just wanted you all to know that I am still around and I really missed you all.

[Ðanisty]

You're doing fine Shadow. It sounds like you've been through a lot in the last year. I look forward to hearing about it (if you choose to share).

[Shadow]

You're doing fine Shadow. It sounds like you've been through a lot in the last year. I look forward to hearing about it (if you choose to share).
I will definitely share what happened so others can avoid those traps. I only have a about an hour a day at the moment to interact, but I will be here and also am looking forward to seeing you all (mind's eye) and conversing. I really want to demostrate that many people are luciferian without their knowing it. Also women like yourself are the most potent Luciferians in the realm of communications. I know many women shy away from the paradigm solely because they are afraid that their is something sinister about the occult, that is not true! In fact women have the most to gain in the paradigm since there is no evil, no sin, however there are mistakes, of which (since there is no guilt) is a paradigm of liberation. Of course we learn from mistakes. I think a thread dealing with why women need luciferianism as a survival tool in evolution. Women are equal, if not above, (sorry dudes) the evolutionary curve.
I often wonder if I was always luciferian through out my entire life without knowing it? Luciferianism is not a religion, (has little to do with the edited bible) it is a paradigm where any individual in endowed with special talents and are respected for what they do. "regardless."
A wiccan I know here who paints and raises a family is just as skilled as a scientist, because that is who she is! and her carrying out what she does actually is her luciferian paradigm. So regardless of state religions or politic, in the end, We are all deities!
I know I am rambling on here.
But the message does need to
get out to our sisters in bondage.
In the next few years I am going to sponsor scholarships, we have been held down for too long by those who are ignorant. I have already started!
Thanks Again.
Wishing You and Yours, My Very Best*
Shadow/RedStar
Forgive spelling spell check is not working yet.

[Crucible]

I will definitely share what happened so others can avoid those traps. I only have a about an hour a day at the moment to interact, but I will be here and also am looking forward to seeing you all (mind's eye) and conversing. I really want to demostrate that many people are luciferian without their knowing it. Also women like yourself are the most potent Luciferians in the realm of communications. I know many women shy away from the paradigm solely because they are afraid that their is something sinister about the occult, that is not true! In fact women have the most to gain in the paradigm since there is no evil, no sin, however there are mistakes, of which (since there is no guilt) is a paradigm of liberation. Of course we learn from mistakes. I think a thread dealing with why women need luciferianism as a survival tool in evolution. Women are equal, if not above, (sorry dudes) the evolutionary curve.
I often wonder if I was always luciferian through out my entire life without knowing it? Luciferianism is not a religion, (has little to do with the edited bible) it is a paradigm where any individual in endowed with special talents and are respected for what they do. "regardless."
A wiccan I know here who paints and raises a family is just as skilled as a scientist, because that is who she is! and her carrying out what she does actually is her luciferian paradigm. So regardless of state religions or politic, in the end, We are all deities!
I know I am rambling on here.
But the message does need to
get out to our sisters in bondage.
In the next few years I am going to sponsor scholarships, we have been held down for too long by those who are ignorant. I have already started!
Thanks Again.
Wishing You and Yours, My Very Best*
Shadow/RedStar
Forgive spelling spell check is not working yet.


Actually Shadow, I wholeheartedly agree with you on women being better Luciferians. In fact my fiance may be a Luciferian and just fearful. She actually came from the Nuwabian community founded by Malachi York and has many sound beliefs where Sumerian legendry and Gnosticism seem to combine along with much paranoia. They were taught that we Luciferians are behind sinister plots all over. I know that the greatest number of us could care less about these things, but it is already deep within her. I honestly believe that her views are much like aligned with my own, but at times she seems nervous about "hell" or sinning. I've seen several other women go through this pain as well. My sister only recently admitted to the fact that she too is Luciferian as well as my best friend and his wife (his wife first). This goes back to the propaganda that is written in the KJV. Maybe, and just maybe the whole Adam and Eve bit was to try and keep these logical people (women) in check.

[Shadow]

Actually Shadow, I wholeheartedly agree with you on women being better Luciferians. In fact my fiance may be a Luciferian and just fearful. She actually came from the Nuwabian community founded by Malachi York and has many sound beliefs where Sumerian legendry and Gnosticism seem to combine along with much paranoia. They were taught that we Luciferians are behind sinister plots all over. I know that the greatest number of us could care less about these things, but it is already deep within her. I honestly believe that her views are much like aligned with my own, but at times she seems nervous about "hell" or sinning. I've seen several other women go through this pain as well. My sister only recently admitted to the fact that she too is Luciferian as well as my best friend and his wife (his wife first). This goes back to the propaganda that is written in the KJV. Maybe, and just maybe the whole Adam and Eve bit was to try and keep these logical people (women) in check.
kkkkk
Adam and Eve were bio fabricated for the sole purpose of enslavement. Adam actually had two wives, one being Lilith who was brought forth as an equal, this did not sit well with Adam, and so a lessor intelligent mate was needed, hence the Eve stories. But even that did not work out as Eve was even more intelligent than Adam and Lilith put together. Ea and Ninmah used their very own dna, and this caused a big stink as slaves being more intelligent than their masters. It is thought that Ninmah Annunaki donated her Mitochrondrial DNA, (a circle of 37) You know the spiral or ladder type nuclear dna and gives you your physical appearance, and Ea used his spiral/ladder nuclear dna. The super longevity genes (in her mitochrondrial dna) are passed down from mother to child only. The female thus donates both nuclear dna and passes on her mito-dna, a man donates only nuclear dna. The female has two differing dna's hence the 2/3 or .666 and yes that number is tide to reproduction also. We note that Eve got Ninmah's mito-dna which means eve was 2/3 or .666 deity, she was a Goddess. Adam on the other hand could only pass nuclear dna, 1/3 or .333 deity even though Ea probably was the father. Eve possessed the longevity genes and if she made it with adam, guess what? Her long annunaki life span (Ninmah) would endow her to be as a god, with long life, wisdom. she was more intelligent than most of the so called gods, thus to nip this in the bud, they poisoned both of them just to shorten their lives so they could never be a threat, nor more intelligent. The age of Slavery Begins?

The churches know exactly who is who, this game has been going on for thousands of years. Science is loaded with 666 value for this or that.
The churches have all these wonderful, brilliant, luciferian women, and they control them by use of fear and intimidation. However, one can still be Luciferian and Christian, one could even argue that Marduk rose from the dead too, centuries before and so did many others.

I will write a bit on that next time, shut eye for me.
Thanks and it was a pleasure.
Shadow

[Arcadios]

Saying that Eve was more intelligent was giving a gullible person the credit of being a genius. Saying that is dumb in the sense that she didn't look at the tree and say, "Hmm, God's telling me not to eat it, so it must be for a good reason. I bet I would be enlightened by eating it." No, she was duped, and that makes her relatively less intelligent than Adam and Eve.

What your talking about it something like a Marvel Comics telling of the beginning of humanity; a fight between gods of separate pantheons. To me, it sounds like some of the Mesoptamian Gods made Adam and Eve, and Jehovah sent Lucifer to force them into submission. I just wanna know where you got the information from this, and I'm hoping it's something credible.

[Anibis]

Just thought I'd throw in my perspective. I like the notion of 'projection point', which M1thr0s brings up. It reminds me of Emmanuel Kant's concept that 'God' is a regulative idea. In other words it's primary reason for existing as an idea, is that is forges a 'trancendental unity' among all the various other ideas in a persons understanding. It is the crown of the pyramid, so to speak, and it's function is to organize and coordinate the multiplicity it governs. This brings to mind the concept of the Demiurge, which I am very suprised has not already come up in this thread, but what the hell: The Demiurge is supposed to emerge from the limitless 'sofia' (wisdom) and then create the world. In Plato, he is the Agathodaimon' "Good Creator", and later in some forms of Christian gnosticism (which got supressed), he becomes this egomaniacal power fiend (tetragrammaton) that demands worship only for himself. There is a cross fertiliztion of the Greek/Platonic notion of a "good" which is the source of all that is intelligible, and the Hebraic Tetragrammaton, which as far as I can tell is is a type of social organization code, loaded into number, letter, and figure and then anthropomorphized and worshiped, such that the dynamic becomes buried in the automatic workings of the social body, witout being really consciously understood. 'God' is like an operating system. From what I can tell this is a technology which was in particular dispute in the Abrahamic faiths, which is why you see such different (and yet all too similar) applications of it in the Greek, the Hebrew, and the Arabic. God, in this sense, really IS a word/Logos.

All this is true when we are talking about a transcendental 'creator god' demiurge sort of character. The story is a little different when we speak of an immanent god. Anyhow, I tend to 'identify' as a pantheist, just in the sense that I figure all which IS, is the body of the divine, playing itself out. The demiurge is like a strange, regulative ideological subset of this infinite body, that governs some of its dynamics, for a time. Give 'em respect when they are keeping things healthy, re-interpret them when they start to cause problems, I say. M1thr0s' 'projection point' rings true here.

Anyhow, my knowledge of these matters IS a little cursory, so mabye someone with more expertize could fill in the details?

-Ibisis-

[Anibis]

Oh, I almost forgot. God has the power to create a MEAN tuna casserole!

-Ib-

[Ðanisty]

I started this thread quite awhile ago on my old forum, but I think what I was getting at was specifically how to approach the Christian idea of God. I must admit that what Christians think of God baffles me and I want to try to understand what they're thinking. When I look at the Christian idea of God, I see something pretty powerless overall.

[Oroc]

Well, if I should talk about God and since you are all very interested in the Creation stuff in Genesis about Adam and Eve here it goes:
Read it all so u can understand why I think that this Story is only hiding the real story behind our creation (please note it's only my speculation):

1. There is actually 2 "special" trees in The Eden: Tree of Life (TOL), Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE) wich is in the middle. And there is Four rivers that comes from Eden. Gods create Adam from their own image.
2. God forbids Adam of eating the TKGE fruits (not an apple, please!!! damn that DaVinci Code) but not the TOL fruits (obviously intended to give them LIFE)
3. God says: if u eat the TKGE fruits, u will certainly die.
4. God creates Eve from Adam. (can someone please tell me where did Lilith came from?it's not biblical)
5. They were both naked and weren't ashamed
6. The serpent tempted Eve to eat the fruit. She eats it and give it to Adam.
7. There eyes r opened and now they see that they r naked and r ashamed of it.
8. The serpent is cursed to always crawl down on the floor.
9. Adam and Eve r now equal to God (god's words) expelled from Eden so that they can't eat The TOL and be immortal.
10. When God speaks he is always speaking to others "They r now equal to us"
11. God puts Cherubins (querubins) guarding the entrance and a flaming sword wich moved to all sides to guard the way to the TOL.

Conclusions:
Let's now combine Oriental knowledge with this Occidental knowledge:
It seems to me that this story is the story of the evolution of man to how we know it today, or in Qabalah perspective the descent in the tree of life from the Crown to Malkuth (the realm):

- Man is created at Gods's image, being the first "body" of man, Eden(Kether?)
- The Rivers are four that comes from one (4 elements from 1 primordial element...sounds familiar? Fire, Water, Air, Earth, and the Spirit, Akasha)
- Eve represents a descent on the tree of life where u loose a rib to give birth to Eve, an evolution of Man...u loose a rib to gain something in return. Notice that Adam still exists like if it was another body in the same consciousness, (like fisical and astral body)
- Now we have the Adam-Eve being, (lost a rib but gained new things) that eats the forbidden fruit, giving him the power to be equal to the Gods. That fruit is not an apple but the serpent (yes, he ate the serpent...). Starts to make sense? Not yet? Adam-Eve are 2-in-1 they take 2 Serpents as well. Ringing a bell? Yepe! Kundalini indeed...the sexual energy.
- Now that their eyes (third eye!) are opened the gods fear that they take the TOL fruit and become imortal (crown chakra) and put Querubins guarding the Eden (our body, in fact) and a flaming sword which guards all the path to the TOL...i suppose the Querubins are in fact the Chakras (guarding the energy) and that the "flaming sword that moves" is the ultimate barrier to attain Godhood Immortality (since we r already like Gods but mortals) or simply the representation of our energy. (But I dont understand why they r guarding the Oriental side of Eden.)
- As a punishment the serpent now lies down in the floor (unraised kundalini) and is anti-Eve as Eve is anti-serpent (genesis 3:14,15) wich suggest a difficulty on raising the Eve-serpent...
- Another punishment is Eve giving birth with pain (suggesting somehow dificulty in creating new things).
- Punishment to Adam is Phisical pain and the birth of "unwanted plants" in the earth wich I think, may be the Fisical diseases.
- Being expelled from Eden, is being expelled from their Spiritual body.

So after this, u can now speculate with me and help me with this for I have little knowledge of the Qabalah, and even less of the Oriental wisdom. Now about God:
- God, in a scheme of cause-effect can be easily understood as the 1st cause, and must be Infinite, Omniscient and Everything or in another word, simply IS (or we dont exist as an effect).
- Genesis talk about Gods, not God...just read the Genesis chapter 1, 2 and 3...
- So God is the creator and is the creation, the spark that scientists want so badly to discover and/or understand.
- We are only divided because of our "Bodies" (Adam body, Adam-Eve body, Adam-Eve-Serpents body...).

This opens a hell out of questions and I sincerly don't have the arrogance of saying that I really understand this. I just joined some pieces of different Knowledge after I read the "Livro da Serpente" (book of the serpent), a portuguese intriging book.
Please comment...if necessary open a new tread just to discuss this or put it where it should be...
Last but not least, if we look at this very directly (and talking about the Left hand Path), we can say that Gods doesn't want us to be like them (what purpose then, when they created us?) but that the Serpent wants us to become like Gods (what purpose also?). So who is the friend and the adversary (satan) now? Nice questions, han?

Peace and hard work,

Oroc

[Amur]

When the kundalini is raised, the Snake is anchored to it's proper place, which gives it the place it was originally meant to be. We quit the dualism state and just simply are, connected through the Earth up through our bodies up into the Stars. Whereas we become the Perfect Beings. This is also clearly seen in the relaxation of the body and how the whole complex gets 10x more beautiful when kundalini is araised. The mind is sharper, and more aware about every sense. There are practically no thoughts, nor energy, as it is all direct. No more jumping the brainhalf to the other. Everything is harmonized together.

I believe that the Serpent represents something tied to the Reptile Brain. I'm quite dumbfounded as how the Reptile has been given most possible energy in the whole complex. Literally it governs the rest as it can eat itself through all eternity lol. I've seen many women go crazy from this serpent. I've even seen how I've practically been able to mind-control with it and the sexual-power it gives.

In Castaneda's books he writes something akin to that the Sorcerers were frustrated at being slaves and food to reptiles. He indicated at the very same reptilian brain complex which lies at the bottom, governing our most primitive instincts. Generally 'reptilians' are governed by fear, and other 'low' spectrive emotions. In the end I think that we should worship the snake and offer ceremonies to the reptiles instead of being afraid of them. Well, that's how many native ppl go about it, and I think it would keep them satisfied.

The amount of pressure which comes from surrendering to the earth is amazing. It's like being tapped into a Megavolt electricity line which practically ignites the whole body. Like small fist ascending up through the spine like a train. So being able to surrender to intense sensation is good when wanting it to arise.

For me it's always wanting to rise, and everything I practically do is to help the process. Though it's a bit hard since I'm spiritually akin to being molested lol. Anyway, I believe that people will have their Kundalini awakened soon, as the Earth continues to Ascend in it's Cyclical Orbit. Atleast there are some spectackles coming to further help the process :D

The only thing which really is required to let the kundalini arise when awakened, is to surrender. Surrender the control to the earth itself and it will gladly help. It means to go back to a place of naturality and childhood where the breath went naturally.

[IceSoul]

All this becomes very confusing when we start of the principle that there's only one God..That there's only one religion..We keep on trapped on monotheist belief that God is something like the "supreme reality".
I, for once, believe that is a very confortable position!
Never forget that the simply existence of God exterminates all kind of free will as we think we know it. After all, if there's an attribute that is given to God in most religions is omniscience; so God's omniscience implies that he knows how free agents will choose to act. If he does know this, their apparent free will is illusory.
I'm not trying to discuss the existence of God...specially a Christian one..After all "god", as a name, descends from "gaut" which sometimes appears as a name for the north god Odin.
I'm really curious about all this: after all how can we explain that "our" so called "God" has something to do with Paganism?
Mith?...
A few years ago i read an amazing poem. It is called "The Dream of the Rood" it was in gaelic but the original is in old english. It's a conversation with the True cross. It's a suggestion of anglo-saxons which portrays Christ as a Germanic warrior-king.
So...in what point do we stand with this mix of religions and names?are they all one?is the one we are talking about the combination of all of them?Or are we all talking about the same, just givin it/him different names?

[Sibylle]

I look at God mostly as spiritual power, the power that is the source of all manifestation. I think it's okay to personify God, but I generally think of God as an It. While the bible isn't God, I like it very much for the insight into principles and the writers' minds. The god portrayed in Genesis is revealed to be a liar in that book, and claims the name of Jealous. If I try to personify God, an all-powerful source of everything that is valid, true and legitimate, I can't see It as a jealous liar. Those are not traits of power, and certainly not of truth.

I think many people let Christian evangelicals define what God is, to accept or reject, and that is a very bad thing. If God is Spirit, which I believe, building a wall against realizing It is counterproductive. We should be in tune with the Powers That Be.

I think the Truth and God both are, independent of whether they are grasped. And all of us are subject to both, in my opinion. What occurs to me is that some people believe or refuse to believe depending upon whether they can control the god(s) they affirm or deny. For a scientifically-inclined atheist, that would mean that since they cannot explain God/the spiritual in a concrete way, it cannot exist. For a follower of a church/religion, the god can be "controlled" by, for example, saying the Sinner's Prayer and thus making oneself "born again". I think whatever reality there is to God is irrelevant in such a case.

So, what can God do? Everything that is relevant to us, now and eternally. He is the Architect of the system of cause and effect that we are all subject to. He is our source and perhaps our destiny.

[Ðanisty]

I really don't think my question was ever understood in this thread, but there sure have been some interesting responses anyway!

[m1thr0s]

I get the distinct impression that God is actually a lot more powerless than people would like to admit. The only rational explanation I have ever been able to come up with is that God has invested its power in us! Possibly not the smartest idea ever concocted but certainly a boon for people if they would pull their heads out of their wazoos and actually do something with it...

but you know...war and greed and oppressing the weak and all of that is all so damn exhiliarating.
Who has any time to left to attend to the big stuff?

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Lol...so very true...I completely agree with you there m1thr0s...

Kain

[Sibylle]

That's a good explanation, m1thr0s, and illustrated by the stories of Jesus. Like Jesus the magician, we (all human beings) have the power of God at our disposal. You are right that most people don't have the time to attend to this nonsense.

[Ðanisty]

I get the distinct impression that God is actually a lot more powerless than people would like to admit. The only rational explanation I have ever been able to come up with is that God has invested its power in us! Possibly not the smartest idea ever concocted but certainly a boon for people if they would pull their heads out of their wazoos and actually do something with it...

but you know...war and greed and oppressing the weak and all of that is all so damn exhiliarating.
Who has any time to left to attend to the big stuff?

m1thr0s
I think this is finally the answer I was looking for. My point was pretty much that the Abrahamic god has very little power. Now, I'm looking for ways to explain this to other people, most notably Christians. I want to understand their point of view on God so I can better explain my point of view on God. Open discussion with Christians may not be of interest to many members of the LHP, but many also don't live in the Bible Belt. I frankly have no choice. I would do it anyway though because my father is a Christian and I find more joy in discussing religion with him than I have in any other aspect of our relationship. My father and I have never been close and I think to a great degree it is our inherent difference of belief (even though he doesn't know exactly what mine are...they have naturally shaped who I am). I think if I could help him see the world the way I see it (not converting him, mind you...but sharing my experience) we would get along so much better.

[M_Aiki]

May I suggest yet another possibility? That we only even HAVE a controversy about (a) god's powers because we think about deities in an anthropomorphical way. The way I see it (please assume a lot of emphasis on "I") god does not have any "powers", he simply "is". "Having" is attributive, and I don't feel very comfortable with the idea of attributing something (which means adding) to a deity who is supposed to be infinite/eternal...

From my point of view, god does not DO anything (the question about lifting stones or not being irrelevant), simply BEING the source and essence of, well, everything there is.

Cheers,

[m1thr0s]

This is an ancient thread so it's easy to overlook that it started out talking about the "biblical" god fairly clearly...

I don't actually take that god to be real personally, but it is unfortunately quite real to very many people. it's even extremely difficult to avoid the habit even if you have rejected the premise: in the above post you say:
god does not have any "powers", he simply "is".well...if god in non-anthropomorphic, why is he a "he"? I think it's just really hard to climb out of the box and get far away enough from the box not to keep being pulled back into it...

though I do think it's a great idea if you can manage it...

m1thr0s

[M_Aiki]

You are quite right about that, m1thr0s. This gender thing is one of my usual slips with the language :) though sometimes I remember even to use the annoying he/she thing...
It would be far better to use IT instead of HE and, again, sometimes I do.

You're right about the box... I don't even call it The Box, I call it The Maelstrom :D

I never meant to imply that a personified god couldn't or shouldn't be real to some people... I think I may have misunderstood the original focus of this thread. My bad.

[m1thr0s]

one can always start a new topic! ;)

Or in the same vein, sometimes you might want to pull a certain idea out from an existing topic and reframe it to be discussed by itself etc...

It's all good...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

I get the distinct impression that God is actually a lot more powerless than people would like to admit. The only rational explanation I have ever been able to come up with is that God has invested its power in us! Possibly not the smartest idea ever concocted but certainly a boon for people if they would pull their heads out of their wazoos and actually do something with it...


Well, what if God viewed humans, and Earth, and animals, trees and rocks as fundementally beneath him? What if this particular Creation was made by some lesser entity, such as a demon's plaything, or a higher civilisations Virtual Reality Chamber?

God doesn't want to talk to you, or be known by you, because you haven't earned tha privliedge yet, are too weak, slow and stupid for him to bother wanting to know you. So obviously, being God, he prevents you all from knowing about him. That way, you can't harrass him or try to copy him...


but you know...war and greed and oppressing the weak and all of that is all so damn exhiliarating.
Who has any time to left to attend to the big stuff?

m1thr0s

It's your system mortals, you were stupid enough to enter this Creation, you deal with it, get out of it, or go down with it. Your own levels of competence and focus will decide....

Why should God care about us? Why should he care if we live, die or make an utter mess of it all? What right do we have to demand anything of him? Why should the creator be responsible for the created?

And so on, and so forth....

More strategically, we could view this Creation as a system. The system moves according to certain properties. We discern those properties, and then apply them to produce tangible results. The Power of God, where it fits into the mass mind grids, is the power to do anything. That's a useful position to access and occupy, imo. And is not alchemy but the rearrangment of the properties and principles of a system?

This World could be viewed as Circle One. Moving on outwards you have the other spheres of the physical universe, and of the larger Creation. These are things which can be known, then understood, then applied. Thus, the Power of God is approached: how to make a Creation, how to Direct it (Preserve it) and also, of course, how to Destroy it. I'd say it's just a question of the appropriate mechanics skillfully applied.

The greatest charge to be laid at the feet of the xtian god, and other gods of this system, is that they were weak and incompetent. The Idea of God in the human mass mind is much larger and more powerful than that. To me, that's a track to be followed, or Target-locked if you will. Why? Because Power is fun, and useful, when you want ot get things done. It is also useful to bear in mind in that context that human mind is limited. Hence, what it hints at is but a small portion of the true extent of what is available for the plucking there.

There is much that could be used here, and further applied. That's all from me though, for now, I want to see where this one goes...

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Have a look at this, oh ye of little faith:


YouTube - Ricky - The Bible (animals)=

:-)

[Copuldaemon]

In respect to dansity's original question, my answer is to break the self down and to reprodcue smaller parts of itself until the scale of our size is reached. why does he/she/it/they/them do this, to experience things for himself. i can't say that god is evil persay but he's too impersonal beyond his own wants which is to experience everything.
all the stories of white light religion may vary in difference but they do share the same archetypical aptitude which tells me of a thing that was one, which for somereason was conscious of itself and broke itself apart and even the lucifer/satan or ahriman apsect originates from this source, and if thats true, even if it's in opposition, it is so that this "one" can keep sharp by a glaring reflection of it's antisetiments.

[m1thr0s]

Have a look at this, oh ye of little faith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXq...related&search=

:-)very funny routine...I love the bit about having made heaven in the dark...:laugh:

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Have a look at this, oh ye of little faith:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I&mode=related&search=

:-)

Here's that link again

[Monah]

kkkkk
Adam and Eve were bio fabricated for the sole purpose of enslavement. Adam actually had two wives, one being Lilith who was brought forth as an equal, this did not sit well with Adam, and so a lessor intelligent mate was needed, hence the Eve stories. But even that did not work out as Eve was even more intelligent than Adam and Lilith put together. Ea and Ninmah used their very own dna, and this caused a big stink as slaves being more intelligent than their masters. It is thought that Ninmah Annunaki donated her Mitochrondrial DNA, (a circle of 37) You know the spiral or ladder type nuclear dna and gives you your physical appearance, and Ea used his spiral/ladder nuclear dna. The super longevity genes (in her mitochrondrial dna) are passed down from mother to child only. The female thus donates both nuclear dna and passes on her mito-dna, a man donates only nuclear dna. The female has two differing dna's hence the 2/3 or .666 and yes that number is tide to reproduction also. We note that Eve got Ninmah's mito-dna which means eve was 2/3 or .666 deity, she was a Goddess. Adam on the other hand could only pass nuclear dna, 1/3 or .333 deity even though Ea probably was the father. Eve possessed the longevity genes and if she made it with adam, guess what? Her long annunaki life span (Ninmah) would endow her to be as a god, with long life, wisdom. she was more intelligent than most of the so called gods, thus to nip this in the bud, they poisoned both of them just to shorten their lives so they could never be a threat, nor more intelligent. The age of Slavery Begins?

The churches know exactly who is who, this game has been going on for thousands of years. Science is loaded with 666 value for this or that.
Shadow

Although this sounds like an elaborate Sitchin version of the creation I completely agree with it.I might go further than that to say that this is not all.I strongly believe not everything is being reveiled to us by the sumerian tablets,old tastement and other available to the general public sources.I cannot really back up my claims but you can think of it as an opinion only.What Ea created is the human being we see today but we existed long before annunaki upgraded/downgraded us.I believe we had the potential to ascend or reach god long before their intervention,but it would have taken us millions of years to reach the intellectual level required for this,instead of the mere several thousand from the first known civilisation to the present days.Basically we would be where we are now without the annunaki and we would probably not look the way we do now-it would have simply taken us more time and we definetely would not be as fragile as we are now.In the beginning we had access to to the tree of life but it was the tree of knowledge we were forbidden to touch. When Adam and Eve ate from it they became too powerful,even the annunaki were scared by the power of the being they created.I have a remote recollection of the cannibalism hymn in Ancient Egypt saying that man had the power to "eat" the gods-why would any god(creator) give the man such powers if they knew what they were doing(What the annunaki did next was take away the "benefits" of the tree of life and make sure we served the purpose we were created for-slavery)What I am implying is that annunaki were messing with something that was not their invention and over which they did not have full control.However there is nothing on the pre-Eden times,I believe this information is also available but we are simply given what we are wanted to figure out.Some sources indicate that the annunaki were not the true creators and they actually lead a war against the true crator which they had lost.I had a lot of hard time trying to work out if I am doing something wrong by practicing qabalah when I first started due to its obvious relations with the old testament,and the biblical symbology the snake,the tree of life etc which are merely there to remind us who is calling the shots.I was in a state of uncertainty until 2 years ago when I realised that qabalah is simply the means of ascention to level of the gods that created the human being we see nowdays,but not ascension to the true creator,therefore Kether is simply the starting point to another evolution process leading to the next dimension where the true creator actually is.The qabalah is also not neccesarily a means to ascending to Anu,it is simply an universal way of reaching the next dimension,a system that might have been used by equally developed civilizations that now reside there.I realise all of that might sound like a lot of fictional crap to you guys,but this is simply my own interpretation of the situation.