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Zaii
01-18-2007, 08:57 AM
The day after christmas I was struck by a vehicle while walking alongside the road. My head slammed into the windshield and my arm was damaged on the grill/hood and in the subsequent 15 or so feet the car flung me.

I've been told by multiple health care professionals that I'm lucky to be alive. The only solution that's been posed so far was great bone density, which if nothing else says good things about healthy diet and healthy living. http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

My left arm was fractured in 6 places, one of which protruded through the skin. I will be wearing a cast for 3 months, and participating in therapy for an undetermined amount of time. Other than that, the only other lasting injury is some tissue damage in my right knee that's getting further inspection.

At first in the immediate wake of the crash and the first surgery I was told that my injuries were "very bad", and depending on how the therapy goes, I may never restore my arm to being fully functioning. Two days ago when I went in for a follow up surgery, the doctor said my arm was healing "unusually fast" and I might only have to spend half the time in a cast that was originally predicted.

I -will- get my arm back to 100%.

If anyone has any stories of overcoming a bad diagnosis, feel free to share.

EDIT: Forgot to add, this is the multivitamin I use - http://www17.netrition.com/now_adam_page.html

My questions are these:
-What do I need to be eating/supplementing to help the healing process?

-Are there any foods I should avoid right now, and if so, what and why?

Anibis
01-18-2007, 09:26 AM
Wow, well congrats. I have little to offer you on advice, but I'm glad you are okay. I know about this (http://www.kitsummers.com/aboutkit.htm) guy, who was one of the top jugglers in the world until he got in an accident, was told he would never walk again and yet managed to do so in spite of the diagnosis. Now he's a motivational speaker. A slightly cheezy site but the guy is pretty solid. I know that Naomi Chan and Feranaja have nutritional expertise, I bet they can help you out...

Okazaki Castle
01-18-2007, 10:05 AM
Good to see your recovery goes fast. Vinegar has always helped with broken bones and ripped tissues I find: prevents infection and speeds up cure. Red wine vinegar being the best, more or less.

Also, This Stuff (http://www.itmonline.org/jintu/zhenggushui.htm) is fantastic at healing body damaged cauysed by blows and accidents and such like. It was developed for use by Chinese martial artists who are not weak and sickly (which is the product market most chinese medicine therapies are designed for, being consequently of low potency), and so is strong stuff. Works really fast too. Designed to quickly heal what would happen if you were hit with an energyu-packed punch at close to full power and you had only partial iron shirt. For example. But that's why it works so well. Check it out, if think it would help in your case/situation further....

Have a swift recovery!

all the best,
Oazaki.

Naomi
01-18-2007, 10:16 AM
Once when I was chatting with Takamatsu Sensei, it must have been thirty years ago, he talked about radiation; “They say radiation affects the bones. Vinegar is probably a good way to counteract this. It is said that vinegar causes radiation to disappear. Ninja often used ‘Tsune no Mizu’ , made by boiling a cloth in Umezu (apricot vinegar), right? I feel radiation might disappear quite well with Umeza”. - Hatsumi



http://www.amatsu-medicine.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/1504?opendocument∂=2 (http://www.amatsu-medicine.com/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/1504?opendocument&part=2)

Also the Tengu will help you but in your case...I think you will have to perform puja to them. Kappa are also well known bone setters, offer them cucumber. (do this by going to a pond or lake and throwing cucumbers into the lake for the turtle people.

m1thr0s
01-18-2007, 01:16 PM
cripes...nice work on the surviving thing Zaii...damn...that's got to rattle your cage a notch. I also am not your nutrition expert here but I am pretty sure somebody will jump in...although you seem to be doing pretty good on your own! An amazing story in its own right Zaii...I'm quite certain that would have punched my ticket for good.

m1thr0s

Okazaki Castle
01-18-2007, 01:23 PM
No, sorry I've put Dark Matter in your fascia structure... :p

That's where martial artists normally pack chi. This is better, but less noticeable. Did it to all my people, in fact, just to be on the safe side. Not sure how that one works yet but am pretty sure it means you can't be killed in any way, or significantly injured...

all the best,
Oazaki.

Zaii
01-18-2007, 01:45 PM
For those of you recommending vinegar, are you talking about ingesting it or applying it to the site?

fr.novumorganum
01-18-2007, 02:49 PM
Damn dude, glad you're ok. Kinda takes you're whole fight club thing to a much higher level.

Edit; I would make sure to take SamE, and really super-dose on Omegas especially 3 (for cell regeneration).

feranaja
01-18-2007, 04:50 PM
First, diet: I'd recommend ensuring adequate protein from varied sources to ensure a good range of amino acids; in other words, if you are vegan/vegetarian, which I seem to recall you are? Use whey protein isolate (Immunocal is excellent)...and try to use as many sources as possible - tofu nuts seeds dairy eggs (if you eat them ) and so on.
http://www.immunocal.com/
Seacure is an excellent product as well:
http://www.naturedoc.com/products/seacure.html

Try to eat regularly and more frequent smaller meals that are easily digested, thus sparing energy for healing and reducing stress on the digestive system.

I'd add spirulina for its nutritional support and GLA (gamma linelonic acid) which is an anti inflammatory FA found in concentration only in a few sources naturally, you might even consider a GLA supplement - borage or evening primrose oil.


Overall keep the nutrient composition of your diet in balance, for omnivores this means around 40:30:30 (carb/protein/fat) but remember these are extremely general categories, all carbs are not created equal and some fats heal, others harm. Limit saturated fats and eliminate trans fats and all heated vegetable oil products. Thats right, nothing fried at all.

I'd use a calcium/magnesium/VitaminD/boron supplement for bone strength;if you increase Omega3 fatty acids in the form of fish body oils I'd add a top quality Vitamin E but be very careful in your selection, pay the extra bucks and get a full spectrum natural source E like this one:
http://www.newrootsherbal.com/pages/product_detail.php?prod_class=303&prod_recipe=V316

Topically you might consider something like this:
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=NOW-03283


I'd also use some glucosamine/chondroitin and bromelain to reduce residual swelling, Ester-c with biofalvonoids and grapeseed extract to strengthn and tonify blood vessels; and gotu kola (centrella asiatica) to speed healing in general.
http://www.supplementwatch.com/suplib/supplement.asp?DocId=1151
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=NOW-04880

If you've been on any kind of medications, I'd consider probiotics (espeically if you've had antibiotics) chlorella, milk thistle and/or lipoic acid if you feel you need liver detox.

If you decide to use any of these add them individually as a few can cause digestive upset and if you dump them all in at once you will never know which one caused it.

I'd also use Star of Bethlehem from the Bach Flower Remedies to offset residual effects of the shock.

I'm so very sorry to hear about this zaii, but if anyone I know can overcome it, I trust you can. Any questions about this little rant above, fire away. Anything i can do to help I'm all yours.
<hugs> fera

Talkingfox
01-18-2007, 06:30 PM
I'd also add whole oats to help with neural healing to the marvelous list of goodies that fera recomended. Oatstraw tea is a good one for that as well.

As an overall nutrional support and as a help with replacing blood volume I would suggest Nettle. I've found them to be the magic elixir when my system is under stress and/or doing extra hard work.

I hope your healing goes well and speedily, Zaii!

Naomi
01-18-2007, 07:22 PM
Well I think you apply the cloth to your injury.

Can you imagine eating a cloth soaked in vinegar?

That would be horrific....

Zaii
01-18-2007, 08:28 PM
Well I think you apply the cloth to your injury.

Can you imagine eating a cloth soaked in vinegar?

That would be horrific....

Yours was kinda obvious but thanks for clarifying regardless. I was more aiming the question at Okazaki.

m1thr0s
01-18-2007, 11:33 PM
you guys have obviously never done a gall-bladder flush...
vinegar rag munchies comes off like a culinary delight compared to the stuff you have to injest for that...

m1thr0s

MythMath
01-19-2007, 01:20 AM
Have you considered bionic implants...?
________________________

We can rebuild him. We have the technology. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Sixmilliondollar1.jpg

Heal well, Zaii...

Okazaki Castle
01-19-2007, 07:30 AM
Ingesting it. I don't know what topical applicatioon would do, prbbly something similar. Like, a very generous serving in lentil soup is a good way, soup form helps digestion/assimilation and a good protein content there too. Or hot and sour soup, etc...

When it's really bad and possibly infected (bones) or bad bruising and swelling, combine some vinegar with honey and sweet sherry in a glass, add hot water, and drink. Make sure you put enough honey in the not upset the stomach too much... similar but with nettles boiled in the water beforehand is an improvement but more hassle.

Just personal experience though, which I got on intuition in the first place. I have no medical training and have no idea how or why this stuff seems to work. So try it out only if it feels right/good to you... ;)

all the best,
Oazaki.

Zaii
01-29-2007, 07:28 AM
Update: The doc said my arm is healing so fast I don't have to spend a single day in a hard cast, and they're going to put me in an adjustable brace to start restoring mobility in my elbow.

When I get in contact with the physical therapist I'll have a verdict on whether i can still train and compete with all this metal in my arm, and honestly I'll probably do it anyway regardless of what gets said, unless it's something like "you will lose your arm if you continue to train".

So for those of you sending me good vibes and advice thanks a ton, and do keep it up, cause I need a good diagnosis.

m1thr0s
01-29-2007, 07:57 AM
geez Zaii...what the hell has it been? just over a week?
that's flat-out amazing, man...whatever you're doing...you're doing it right...

thanks for the update!

m1thr0s

feranaja
01-29-2007, 10:54 AM
I'll keep the energy coming. I think you are doing all the right things, fwiw - healing has to occur on all the levels, and you have that covered...

keep us posted! I know a lot is at stake here, and Im rooting for you - as you know..:)
big hug, fera

Hairetikos
01-29-2007, 11:34 AM
You're a strong F'n person, man. I'd wish you luck, but it really doesn't sound like you need it. I always felt that a true occultist is he who real-izes all the potential available in his life. Sounds like that's you to the T. Congrats.

Naomi
01-29-2007, 11:59 AM
That's beautiful Zaii, good job :D

fr.novumorganum
01-29-2007, 01:20 PM
very glad to hear this

Anibis
01-29-2007, 05:39 PM
Likewize.
-Ibisis

Talkingfox
01-29-2007, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the update Zaii...I was going to post and ask . Impressive work on your part too!

Zaii
02-04-2007, 10:11 AM
So they've slapped this adjustable brace on me, and while it's good to be able to finally take my protection off of my arm and shower rather than sponge bathe, the thing is taking some getting used to.

I start therapy this week, so updates will be forthcoming. I'm going to pop the question to my therapist about training and fighting again, so wish me luck, and, hey, whatever else you think would help. :laugh:

Anibis
02-04-2007, 02:10 PM
I just talked to a woman who I am doing a show with who has had a similar experience. Years ago, she had a boating accident in which her arm went through a propellor. Doctors told her she would lose it, never have use of it again and such... She lost a finger. BUT she did actually keep her arm and get movement back to her hand. She practiced fire spinning, which helped her re-build the nerves... anyhow I thought of you, and mentioned your story to her... THought I'd drop that to you, for what it was worth... Also, I wonder if learning yo-yo, or playing with those excercise balls would be helpful... Hm... CHeers;
-Ibisis

feranaja
02-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Don't know why I didnt think of this before - this is the work that Tellington Touch is based on, and it's marvelous:
http://www.feldenkrais.com/

fera :)

Zaii
02-16-2007, 07:33 PM
Got the word from the therapist today.

I regained an additional 20 degrees of motion in just one session today. In the next 3-4 months I will get back 90% ROM, 10% over the next year, and this time next year I'm clear to fight again. Not to mention the surgical material will actually make my arm harder to break than it was before.

Thank you all so much for the encouragement, advice, and whatever else you might have sent me. :D