Delegate to ABRAHADABRA!

[Okazaki Castle]

So as most of you know, ABRAHADABRA is a magickal and alchemical system which produces changes, or results, in mind, feeling and physicality. Part of this process is that your desires (from the chakras) vibrate out into the DNA structure and, from there, manifest as 'occurring life scenarios' as per the dual factors of: 1) the unfoldment of Time / opening of Gates and 2) one's specific genetic condition. Karma is the mechanism which interpenetrates the process, descending thru appropriate Gates, or Times, when they open and fuelling the process of producing life experiences and results.

I've always viewed ABRAHADABRA as essentially an interface system between this physical reality and the higher laws and concepts of Creation. It is very tuned to Justice, for example. Something else I've always done is work on a problem or work area till I feel I've 'covered my part' in it. Then I simply hand the whole lot over to ABRAHADABRA to deal with. Basically it's like saying: 'This is the position, that's what I want, get it for me'. The usual repsonse is 'Fine. Give me everything, you get nothing, now wait.'. Then you wait, it runs thru the ABRAHADABRA system and comes to back to you with the solution, that solution of circumstances and factors expressing in your life as the flow of occurring reality. There's a definite 'Order of Progression' to it and lots of little steps fit together to produce the bigger goals. The bigger goals then in turn all fit together to produce yet larger goals, and so on until the overall end aimed for intially is attained.

Now, there's more than a few people and organisations out there working with both ABRAHADBRA and mutational alchemy. Wolf Productions, owners of The Abraxas coffeeshop in Amsterdam, for example. Magi Society also. Quite a few others. But m1thr0s's 'team' as it were is the strongest of the lot. Hence, it is his consciousness on some level which 'adjudicates' the whole process as it were.

Generally you get what you ask for. But you have to pay the requisite prices for it. You pay the price first, then when it's all in line you get the physical result. That's one reason why I work on the problem / issue myself FIRST before handing it to ABRAHADABRA to deal with. I like to move things to the position where it is in line with Celestial Justice that I get what I ask for, or have worked towards. Then the ABRAHADABRA system basically just fetches that thru into physicality by running thru whatever oppositions there may be to my attaining that end, goal or product: for example, the desire sets of other, less worthy persons who also want the same things, many times already have that role / position in mindgrid and who are undesirous of losing that glory and reward. Also resistance from close friends and family, mainly subconscious, due to their firmly held conception of what they want you to be is another very significant factor that also has to be gone thru.

Now, with this forum we have a very useful 'inside track' to the ABRAHADABRA alchemical system, allowing us to place what we want within it simply by writing about it. Very clearly stating the intention and what is aimed for, with great specificity in the phrasing, ensures a lack of mix-ups and clarity on Spirit's end about what it should work on manifesting into our lives. As most of us here have done most of our work, and received little to no physical rewards for it throughout all these years, the odds are heavily stacked in our favour from beforehand in terms of karmic weigth behind our 'getting our dues'. That is to say, it coalesces down thru the grids into physicality very quickly indeed at this stage in the procedings. A process which is only accelerating it seems.

So then. All you need to do is post what you want transmuted or brought about on this thread and then leave it to the ABRAHADABRA intelligences to bring it about for you. In practice this happens via the occurring scenarios which come into your life which you then live, following the Time and the flow of events with your overall goal clearly in your mind the whole time, albeit usually held in focus only in a relaxed, chilled sorta way....

Begin then... and... Have fun!!

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

I'd like to start this process / claims redress system with the following gentle introduction:

I want ABRAHADABRA to sort out my club membership for me at the QI members' club of Oxford.

http://www.oxfordinspires.org/images/QI-logo.jpg
www.qi.com

It's a private members' club with an attached bookshop, cafe open to the public for meeting girls, for example, and an associated/connected TV series. There are other connections also. I made my membership application in around March of last year. It's taking it's time as I applied for Special Membership of The Board, which you can do there by just paying a higher joining fee. They like to vet you lots for those though. Still, it is close to falling overdue by now...

Many thanks abrahadabara!
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

got a photo of the club's front door?

[Okazaki Castle]

And now on a more demanding note.

Both m1thr0s and I are leading experts in our own particular fields. As indeed are most people here in their own areas of specialty. Yet, despite this, and despite also our superior, clear and well-worded writing style other persons and institutions have seen fit to take the role of 'World's Leading Authority' in terms of the published word in relation to our own special and specific fields of enquiry. And these others, though doing a reasonable job of presenting the material, are at best amateurs compared to the insight, knowledge and expertise which we bring to the field. Thus, a relatively unskilled and less able 'professional' is lauded and rewarded in society at large at the expense of the more skilled and able which a purely meritocratic system would place there. As a consequence, those who suffer are both the truer experts in the field and the public at large who are fed second-rate and often more complex and confusing material. As a consequence, from all valid perspectives except perhaps that of the glory-seeking lesser esperts, a redress on these terms is required by the tenets of Ma'at and universal prosperity.

Specifically, I seek redress of the following book in m1thr0s's name:

http://www.speakingtree.co.uk/jpgmedium/28410.jpg

And of the following book in my own name:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1592332277.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V49817033_.jpg

Along with this one also which covers much of the same material:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1591792576.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Regarding the latter, I already have the manuscript good to go, have done since 2002 in fact, now entitled 'The Temple of Venus Priesthood Course', formerly called 'Advanced Sexual Practices'.

Now for the Special Demands: I have already covered the submission process on that manuscript. I refuse to cover it again. Yet even with that proviso this redress is in line with the demands of justice. That in turn creates a problem for the established publishing industry of this world. As they put me to a lot of hassle due to their own position previously, their now being placed under Ma'at's jurisdiction on appeal to ABRAHADABRA for redress is a very pleasing set of scenarios to me.

m1thr0s can fill in any conditions or provisos he wants to relative to his portion of these clauses by edit or as he chooses.

Now we sit back and wait and see what it comes up with.

ABRAHADABRA! as the magickian once said...

Regards all,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

got a photo of the club's front door?

http://www.qi.com/images/building.jpg

Bottom right hand corner in that image. Could take a clearer photo myself and post it I suppose. Will take a while though whilst I use up a roll of film.

Why? For magickal purposes?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Why? For magickal purposes?



Yup. To get in you have to open a door.

[Okazaki Castle]

Hmm, OK, I'll get Xander and Alex to do that for me as they work there...

Will also post that photo if it feels right/necessary. Thx for the assist man! :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

hey, thanks for bringing this guy's book to my attention Oazaki. I haven't read it (have you?) I suspect it must be the same old boring crap considering that neither his website or anything else I can find on him is willing to divulge so much as a drop of information unless you sign up for one his damn seminars etc...

god-code indeed...invented by unemployed telemarketers I suspect...:mad:

here's an interesting review (http://energygrid.com/science/2004/03ap-godcode.html)

I probably shouldn't be giving all this stuff away by conventional thinking at least but there is a new theory in information science that suggests that in today's environment information-networking is actually the only way to fly...the only way to really succeed at making significant change actually happen. It's all about concentrated information groups really...affecting other groups...affecting others and so on right to the top of the heap. It has to do with the enhanced diversification and accellerated evolution that comes from whole group netwoking or something...there's a number of important aspects to this. Anyway...the upshot is..."clan" is the way! I have already experienced this personally...as I give stuff away other stuff comes back and the model starts acquiring things at a much faster rate than I could have provided all by myself...and I'm pretty good...just not quite as good as all of us working together...nobody is that good! So that's sort of how this principle works...

"As Brothers Fight Ye"...(the wickedest man in the world)

m1thr0s

[silentjohn]

I love this thread!

It has gained enough energy so that we don't even have to post within it's matrix to utilize it's effects; yet doing so is certainly a means to an end!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

He then presents his theory that our DNA is a library of information (nothing new there… even orthodox scientists would agree with that), that each chromosome is a book (if you want to call it a book Gregg… that's fine) and that each gene-length is a sentence (yes… DNA is the language of our Biology so the analogy is obvious and has been made many times before). But his next step is to say that code is literally translatable into Hebrew!

:laugh:

[m1thr0s]

he appears to be (clumsily) referring to the Word of Perfection, which is true...it has an important role to play...but it is a mistake to think of this word as uniquely "Hebrew" and this is where his head gets strangely dislocated up his ass. He simply doesn't know "words of power"...doesn't get them...doesn't understand that they don't belong to any one group of people etc...The Word of Perfection is a mathematical matrix...it is a light-sound construct that has its roots in all language and it is perfectly possible to construct an infinite range of alternate words based upon its guidelines. It has a great deal more to do with the Vedic Purusha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha) than God, per se...

Anyway...this is trivial...these guys are like aphids or something...nothing a few good ladybugs can't handle...

I want to delegate the idea of an island of some kind to Abrahadabra. I think we need to form an independant nation as soon as humanly possible. This won't be an easy task, even for Abrahadabra, but it needs to be on the board...to some extent we are already doing this in cyberspace but eventually it needs to materialize in real space as well...it's going to need to be high-tech though...none of this Robinson Crusoe crapola...we've got serious business to deal with here...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Anyway...this is trivial...these guys are like aphids or something...nothing a few good ladybugs can't handle...

True. Authors of Arthurian stuff and esoteric books whose titles begin with the words "The Celtic..." are the ones that usually get me reaching for a loaded wand, but why waste time with cretins?

I want to delegate the idea of an island of some kind to Abrahadabra. I think we need to form an independant nation as soon as humanly possible. This won't be an easy task, even for Abrahadabra, but it needs to be on the board...to some extent we are already doing this in cyberspace but eventually it needs to materialize in real space as well...it's going to need to be high tech though...none of the Robinson Crusoe crapola...we've got serious business to deal with here...


The idea of creating online nations already exists...a guy made a programme for the BBC where he tried gaining sovereignty for his bedsit, visiting the UN to see if he could become a member...very entertaining. He got hundreds of people to become virtual citizens through the internet. Yeah, you can form an independent nation online.

[m1thr0s]

Yeah, you can form an independent nation online.yeah? diplomatic immunity and the whole nine yards? that would rock...even if only as a starting point...
then we could go after funding, being a displaced nation and all of that...

I would have no problem thinking of myself as an Abrahadabrian...slight toungue twister but who cares...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I've got some graphic ideas for the flag(s)... ;)

And I've already worked out the first few bars
of the national anthem, O, Abrahadabra... :p :laugh:

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I don't know about diplomatic immunity. I prefer just not getting caught :D
Personally in the Real World Ive always liked the Idea of a school for Wizards, ever since reading The Wizard of Earthsea (Harry Potter can't get the credit for that idea). If it was well organized and had a good curriculum it could work quite well.

I would have no problem thinking of myself as an Abrahadabrian...slight toungue twister but who cares...


Beats answering the question "Where you from" if you live in
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

[m1thr0s]

so long as it doesn't sound like O Canada it might work...

needs to be more rebellious than that I think...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

well, the Abrahadabra Institute goes down this year come hell or high water...

I used to think "school" but over time I have come to feel that an actual research institute is a better handle...which could then incorporate a college of some kind but would not be confined to this alone...

m1thr0s

[silentjohn]

Well, you could make everywhere Abrahadabria

[Ci Celli Ddu]

well, the Abrahadabra Institute goes down this year come hell or high water...

I used to think "school" but over time I have come to feel that an actual research institute is a better handle...which could then incorporate a college of some kind but would not be confined to this alone...

m1thr0s


Yeah I like that. And the good thing about an institute is that it can have offices all over the world

[m1thr0s]

Well, you could make everywhere Abrahadabriayeah...it sort of is that way already, but people are being trampled under foot by a lot of damn zombies and I don't like it...this would be a zombie free-zone where people could check in and recharge and either stay or head back into the trenches as required. There is also a whole range of research that cannot easily be conducted without independant nation status...

m1thr0s

[Jacob]

Could have the island near Tonga, since that area is popping up new land anyways.

[m1thr0s]

Yeah I like that. And the good thing about an institute is that it can have offices all over the worldAbra-Pods!!!:cool:

Could have the island near Tonga, since that area is popping up new land anyways.volcanic? growing is a good thing if it isn't too small...needs fresh water and good soil etc...

I have seen some islands for sale for as little as a million dollars...maybe a whole network of little islands...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Antarctica, where the men are men and the penguins are frightened...

[m1thr0s]

I've even considered airspace...mobile cities...like Heliopolis etc...

opens up a whole other can of worms though...military airspace issues etc... they would have to be heavily armed to work I think...so nobody dared to hit them...we could buy up all of Russia's dirty bombs cheap and convert them into nuclear engines...maybe hack into Roswell's database and appropriate some of that spaceship tech...

gets a little sci-fi at that point...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

so long as it doesn't sound like O Canada it might work...

needs to be more rebellious than that I think...

m1thr0s
What if it sounded like O Canada covered by the Pogues...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAufzEH0ZMY

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Its just a big house in Rome...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta

[MythMath]

volcanic? growing is a good thing if it isn't too small...needs fresh water and good soil etc...

I have seen some islands for sale for as little as a million dollars...maybe a whole network of little islands...

m1thr0s
Volcanic soil = high-octane ganja potential...

Might help pay the mortgage...?

[m1thr0s]

Could have the island near Tonga, since that area is popping up new land anyways.well, if you are referring to the once-Republic of Minerva, the man-made island off the coast of Tonga, the Tongans already invaded it and claimed it for their own.

The independant nation thing may be impossible without invading another country but here's something on island properties in general: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/your-own-country.htm

I know that exiled Tibetan Buddhists just recently bought some island property off the coast of Scotland...pretty harsh weather conditions there I am told but still...that may be the way to go. Just find some country that will pretty much leave you alone anyway and set up shop there while proceeding to network all over the planet...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

The thing about islands is finding one that's not about to sink or face a catastrophic tsunami. For instance, any time soon the collapse of volcanic material in the Canaries will create a mega-tsunami that will devastate the US east coast, destroying any islands in its path

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/mega_tsunami.shtml

[MythMath]

If you don't mind Rod Stewart for a neighbor (he's rumored to own 'England'):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/The_world_Dubai_islands.jpg

The World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_%28archipelago%29)
__________________________________________________ ________

Or there's:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Palm_Island_Resort.jpg/230px-Palm_Island_Resort.jpg

Palm Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I think this one looks promising:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/duncanislandranch.htm

[m1thr0s]

well crap...I guess that leaves the moon then...backup plan...a little out-there I admit but hey, it's great piece of real-estate with a killer view...lol

yeah...see...the island off the oregon coast would work. Afterall...the Institute is going to be totally legit...and Abrahadabra itself really is a global thing...so we're really only talking about a good place to set up a central headquarters I guess...

It would be nice to be outside the jurisdiction of American laws though...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

well crap...I guess that leaves the moon then...backup plan...a little out-there I admit but hey, it's great piece of real-estate with a killer view...lol

m1thr0s

Always fancied living on Mars myself

[m1thr0s]

that's a long way to travel for a pint of beer though...

weather kind of sucks on Mars...might want to beef up our tech before taking on the God of War...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Well, there's 'Sealand (http://www.sealandgov.com/)', off the coast of England, but some dude already has that. In regards to Tonga, here's an interesting fact. Juggling is (or at least was) a major part of the culture such that basically all the girls would learn how to do it as a child's game. They would generally juggle in a circular pattern (called a shower to modern jugglers), rather than the cascade, and apparently could do some wild stuff. (Like say, about 10 objects). Funny, many of our oldest records of juggling relate to women... The weaver's I suppose. SO, Let it be declared that the abrhadabrian education system will include juggling and related arts...
-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

well, who knows...if America gets any deeper in a hole than it already is we may be able to purchase it real cheap...wouldn't that be a hoot.
I can see the eBay listing already...1 country: several previous owners: condition: deplorable but vaguely salvageable: starting bid: $1...

SO, Let it be declared that the abrhadabrian education system will include juggling and related arts...suits me...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I've been going over The Book of the Law with respect to this whole island business and have concluded it may be premature for strictly logistical reasons. There's this little matter of a "war engine" to be sorted out first.


4. Choose ye an island!
5. Fortify it!
6. Dung it about with enginery of war!
7. I will give you a war-engine.
8. With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.
link (http://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html)

too bad...but theoretically, once that has been sorted out it's actually just a matter of "choosing" one...then again...it could all be metaphorical. In either case, it still seems like the "war engine" comes first. As is often the case with the Book of the Law, even if you don't subscribe to its literality, it still winds up making sense logistically maybe 9 times out of 10 or something...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

hey, thanks for bringing this guy's book to my attention Oazaki. I haven't read it (have you?)

Nah, I bought it cuz the cover was pretty and golden and so I could use that as a magickal bind for one of the versions of The Illuminati I've got: The Gold Illuminati in this case... Like all my books though I just leave them lying around and absorb by osmosis. Saves time on reading... unless it's really good or has cool characters or smtg...

But to quite an excerpt to illustrate what he's on about:
God's Name Chemical Element Man's Name Chemical Element
Y ------------- Hydrogen ------------- Y ------------- Hydrogen

H ------------- Nitrogen ------------- H ------------- Nitrogen

V ------------- Oxygen ------------- V ------------- Oxygen

H ------------- Nitrogen ------------- G ------------- Carbon

Then he subclassifies/corresponds those elements within the DNA bases (Thymine, Cytosine, Adenine, Guanine). Far as I'm concerned, he missed out an element (Tamagahane, sometimes confused as Helium, one of its more complex, lighter states). And that's only dealing with Pentagramatic configurations, let alone up from that. Doesn't seem to understand the trigrammatic arrangement either. But he's ok on the tetragram stuff. And for mainstrema stuff it ain't bad at all. Just wrong in places, incomplete in others and of partial understanding all over the place as the publishing industry more or less requires works in any field to be... Until, of course, they learn better. Need education they do. And, perhaps, to have their kneecaps broken. Incentives and whatnot...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

In either case, it still seems like the "war engine" comes first.


Here you go:

I call it Time. It kills all people!!! It has been targetted!!! None can stand in its way! We offer diplomatic immunity from its machinations to those we like (but mainly only if they agree to leave behind their humanity and become Thudergods or Vampyres; human karmic track record too heavy to incorporate easily)!!

*Gives m1thr0s control over and access to All Time thru The Hiko Order*

Right, so now that's sorted, shall we fire this baby up into an acceleration hyperdrive? There's some deaths I've been waiting on you see...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

hey thanks, man! damn thoughtful of you!
I sort of thought being omnipotent would be a little...well...more *energetic* you know?
At least, that's how I remembered it...I'll give it a few days to settle in...

where the hell is this aphid pulling a "G" from? There's no "G" in YHVH!!!
Somehow I am thinking I don't really want to know...:(

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

As for islands, I've got Cyprus good to go. Ikaria also is in a fairly procedable position and so too will Dubai be once we've broken Sheikh Mohammed's legs (which he's got coming to him and will take the cut gratefully, cuz he's already been informed we could kill him nastily and he knows he has to take a cut for the children in the Lebanese war, which we'll be publicising alongside his previous reticent position).

So, all entirely possible. Ready to go in other words. But yes, it prbbly requires a few sets of obvious, dramatic demontsrations first before the world's leaders bow their heads and knees. On them and on thier family members/children. Well, this is war, is it not? And some karma does have to return, might as well conentrate it into as small a 'grounding area' as possible then...

As for The Hiko Order, well, did I not tell you this a while ago? But yeah, take a few days if you like... As for being omnipotent, it's fun, and mainly what you do all day is nothing. Mind turns around you though and you do need to take decisions as to Path occasionally. Most of that we're delegating to The God of Many Faces though, far as possible...

Let me know when you feel it's time to fire up the War Machine: ie get it all accelerating and producing the requisite deaths at a rate of knots...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

where the hell is this aphid pulling a "G" from? There's no "G" in YHVH!!!
Somehow I am thinking I don't really want to know...:(


Apparently man is called YHVG... It stands for Carbon and is how we're different from God. where he got that name from I don't know. I always thought that everybody called man Adam or Kadmon or smtg like that (yes, I know I have a predilection for calling them 'turnips', but that's just my insulting humour expressing...)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

No...there is no YHVG...the guy's an idiot. The Man Line property is an intrinsic part of the Word of Perfection and stands...mathematically...exactly between Heaven (AHIH) and Earth (IHVH). It's got nothing to do with Carbon. This is the whole problem Oazaki...these maggots are running amok...this will not do at all...but people are going to have to learn to do their own fact-checking more and more as we go along here. These miserable pricks are a dime a dozen...

But you know...just look at the guy...he's got cheeswhiz written all over him...

he's on my radar screen now though...not the smartest thing he ever did...I can control my own temper pretty good...I can't always control Kali though, and his ass belongs to her at this point...I'm giving him to her as a Xmas present...lol

she's sort of partial to cheesewhiz actually...claims it tastes just like chicken...rofl.

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Anyway...the upshot is..."clan" is the way! I have already experienced this personally...as I give stuff away other stuff comes back and the model starts acquiring things at a much faster rate than I could have provided all by myself...and I'm pretty good...just not quite as good as all of us working together...nobody is that good! So that's sort of how this principle works...

"As Brothers Fight Ye"...(the wickedest man in the world)

m1thr0s

Yes.

Fighting as unit
The strength and expertise of the many is legion
Each holds his own position and the grid closes down
Then the roles are freed and begin to move
And the dance commences.

Is this not why most of us already view each other as family? IT just happens to be the case that we're a rather hardcore family into sex and death and combat and world domination. Oh, and, being responsible. 'Tis one of the many, many reasons as to why we're all so stylish. Unlike the Powers-That-Be, who are ugly by comparison, and unattractive, no matter how much money they possess and throw at things. Given their past actions, even women on this planet aren't whores to the extent necessary to find them and their path attractive over ours. Hence, those ugly dicks have lost. For Venus rules Victory in War. She also rules movable possessions, as in 'To the Victor go the Spoils', to reference Andrew Jackson.

So can we hurry up and kill them already, I want to get on with the post-war R&R...

Maybe we need a thread to plan the war effort and decide strategic strike dates. Will get round to that in a few days if that's cool with everybody?

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Anibis]

Wow am I ever not into killing people yadda yadda yadda... As for a nationstate, well forgive for not seeing this as realistic. Still, anything is possible, do what thou wilt. The only think I can state with certainty is my own fidelity to my Independent will. I don't consider myself a satanist, or any other religion. Basically I see a world that is ill, and I'd like to help heal that... I feel like this thread is dangerously close to being too fantastic to believe or go along with... I figure if you hold your own, then the wack shite that is going on in the world will have one less place that it can spread to. Beyond that I know and profess nothing.
-Ibisis

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, a nationstate isnt really something you can do legally anyway. Even the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Hospitaller_Order_of_Saint_John _of_Jerusalem_of_Rhodes_and_of_Malta)aren't considered really to be a nation, even though they have observer status in the UN. I prefer the idea of something more on the lines of Tolkien's White Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council#Second_White_Council) structurewise, with the colour-coding of Reservoir Dogs thrown in to add to those of the Istari.

[m1thr0s]

Why is the idea of killing people always immediately linked to Satanism? Must be the media. In all of history, just exactly how many major Satanically engineered slaughters of human life can you actually count on your fingers? How about Christian? I get something like maybe a few dozen (disqualified) nut cases on the Satanic side to untold millions on the other. Perhaps my point is clear...

I have no idea how this "war engine" actually operates or how it "smites the people". Perhaps it kills...perhaps it transports them to all to Houston, Texas. Or some third possibility no one has thought of yet.

I don't know if nationstate status is ridiculous or not. It doesn't appear to be anything we can deliberately plot within conventional channels though. As far as I know, ideas develop through exploration...this almost always reveals some ridiculous bits when it's working properly.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

'Gentle'men, I'm wholly with Ib on this one...

And it didn't read to me that he was linking murder to Satanism...

Is it at all possible that you are completely
wrong on this destruction/redemption trip...?

If time kills all mortals,
and if we can achieve immortality,
then what the fuck's the rush...?
______________________

"War is not the answer, only love can conquer hate..."
Marvin Gay(e)

[m1thr0s]

Well, this is what happens when you drag the God of War & Vengeance into things. It just so happens that he's fond of Abrahadabra...so who knows...but what works for famous archetypes and what works for actual people are very rarely exactly the same thing...

As a rule I am not real keen on killing anything that can be put to better use. That includes just about everything from houseplants to people.

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

there's always the possibilty that destroying all peoples can refere to destroying the idea of nationality, as nationstates are built on imagined conceptions link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagined_communities).

if there are no nations, and everyone owns themselves, then everyone is a king of themselves and thats a good stepping stone to a star...

[Kuroyagi]

I also like many ideas of this thread. The nation/souvereignity thing may seem utopic but Im for it, basically- and Oregon seems undisturbed enough (also hadnt Nike had her HQ there, so thats a good sign ;))...why not- maybe some of us goons will win the lottery tomorrow and become a billionaire- maybe me- and is "crazy" enough to support the abrahadara institute? In magic much, very much is possible.

And though Im normally writing to Santa Claus if I have an unfulfilled wish I'll give it a try cause I- like Oazaki- have also some books and booklets that Id like to see published (~50-100p/each). They are difficult to market and the last one got turned away cause I "dared" to mix verse and prose as well as science and poetry and philosophy with pulp and literature- (yes and a collections of essays, short stories and poetry would also be welcome).

So lets see. :D

[Okazaki Castle]

Well, to wage war you have to wage war. It is as simple as that. War in this system is defined a certain way. You need to occupy that to use that position and those tools. Once occupied, you can change it if you dominate the sphere. But first you have to occupy it to do this.

Healing is a clearing process in many disciplines. As the world is healed also, that involves a clearing process for the planet too. As the human race is cleared, or healed, likewise. Why? For that is how clearing, purification and reduction work. If they can be combined to work differently, then that works for me also. I don't care, I just do what works to get to endgate in the fastest possible manner...

Besides, when you use tools like this you do it on Blameless: you get them to choose thier own demise. Because of their own stupidity, conceptual limitation and/or ethical corruption, due for example to their valuing money above all else. So, to illustrate:

We shall start our rule of this world in terms of Earth element, Today, Now, with a 24 day Period of Peace. This period will be for subdivided thus: the first ten days will be for quiet personal reflection. The next ten days will be for group meditation, discourse and communication. The last four days are Mystery.

The purpose of the Period of Peace will be education. Specifically in Satanic Philosophy, both Theistic and Modern. The theistic principle we wish people to consider and come to understand during that Time period is the following:

There are men of reason and men of violence. Reason is wasted on the violent man, and violence is wasted on the reasonable man. If ye wish one to hear ye, speak in his language or not at all. - The Devil's Apocrypha

The Modern Satanic principle we wish people to consider is a slightly modified verison of LaVey's most famous maxim:

Stupidity should and will be painful.

The 24 day period will be known as 'The Age of Aquarius'. It will finish 24 days from now, give and take one day. Following the Age of Aquarius will come the Age of Capircorn, because we are doing things in reverse. The Age of Capricorn will be ruled by Saturn. Or Admeitus for those on Our Path. It will involve the demonstration of the Two Principles put forth for educational purposes and due consideration in the Age of Aquarius. Specifically, we have already tendered our demands and stated our position to the world's governments. If, therefore, they are unable to understand the position they are in and what we require of them, and / or in they are uanable to act on that position, then we shall deem them not to be 'Men of Reason'. Instead, we shall deem them to not understand reason, like Beasts. That makes them 'Men of Violence but no Reason'. That is to say, Beasts. Beasts are stupid, have no soul and can be hunted for they are a lower lifeform with no rights before God. We run that last one thru the Christain churches, cuz they're nasty and harsh (all that Gothic architecture.... very Vampyric. Vampyres, like Tepes, are cruel in war).

The Age of Capricorn will last for 60 days. The first ten days of that Age will be termed 'The Presentation of Primary Tribute Days'. The next ten for Secondary Tribute, the next ten for Tertiary Tribute. Those who pay us our due Tribute, as we have defined it already, in those periods get priviledges and immunity, according to when in the Timescale of Tributes they tender their 'donation'. Primary being best, descending to secondary, etc. What is actually presented by them as Tribute partially determines another factor, which we term Mystery. Mystery contains lots of stuff. It's also called Khaos, or The Great Void and you can take things out of it...

The last 30 days of the Age of Capricorn will be called 'The Days of Plague, Death and Dying'. It will come under The Grim Reaper aspect of Saturn. During this period we'll all see what happens as regards the fuller implementation of our educational plans for this system....

Essentially, by choosing a certin path thru the choices of life, a certain set of options is opened, others sets closed. The trick to the process is to take your choices in such a way as to get where you want to go. It is possible, however, to 'trap' your 'prey' using logic-gate choices like the ones detailed above for our Highway Robbery Scheme which we will use to finance Worldwide Luxury Communism. All such work however rests on having the power to back up your claims and demands. That's why you need the war engine - and why you need it working well, in a targettable, proven way.

As soon as it started working well would you not be arrested or assassinated though? Not if you'd set things up in such a way that the proces is running on automatic, due to having been tied in the past with blood seals, and is, therefore, just fulfilling itself in a way which would become harsher were we to be removed. Again, mind-grid locks. You need those ones to be quite strongly physical before moving forward on something like this - as they now are in fact, and have been for about 4 weeks now...

So, this is a bit like what the war planning and strategy thread would be like, far as that one's clear to me ahead of time...

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

there's always the possibilty that destroying all peoples can refere to destroying the idea of nationality, as nationstates are built on imagined conceptions link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagined_communities).

if there are no nations, and everyone owns themselves, then everyone is a king of themselves and thats a good stepping stone to a star...

Ah yes...Anarchy! :yes:

[fr.novumorganum]

Ah yes...Anarchy! :yes:

there's always that last line of Liber Al that never gets enough attention:

75. The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra

[m1thr0s]

Stupidity should and will be painful. "Simple is for Simpletons"...[anonymous]

In the Information Age, "war" may come to mean entirely different things. We have to be very careful about our own backwards attachments...You run the risk of leaving yourself in the dust while the world moves on...yes, even the "stupid" world...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

WAR is RAW backwards... :p

[Okazaki Castle]

OK, edit it as you like. Either 'on-screen' or with intent. I just thought I'd finally a use for Doh! And it sounded pretty funny also to me, have to admit. I tend to be a bit irresponsible like that now. Done as much responsibility as I feel like for this lifetime I figure...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

My thing is waste Oazaki...that's all...like any good king, I am opposed to unnecessary waste...

"Maximum Inertia - Minimum Stress" is a good rule of thumb for governance on all levels really...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

"Maximum Inertia - Minimum Stress" is a good rule of thumb for governance on all levels really...



Agreed, I've also found that killing people slows things down. It's why I created, or use not sure which, what I call File-for-Later. Poste system decomission and stuff. Till then, get out of this density band and situations as fast as possible. BUT. Also. We have to consider our own personal needs, wants and desires. Fast as possible may involve a path where we, personally, continue in undesirable circumstances for longer than might otherwise be the case. I am certainly of the opinion that a few well-placed strategic demonstrations of available power could do wonders for our attaining the sort of life-circusmtances we all would wish.

For these results another alternative is to create rifts like we had at the time when Atlantis fell. That's when you suspend/terminate all grids in a localized area for a limited time portal and allow Dark Khaos to express directly on this system and the material realm (Aether Direct sort of thing). That has the virture of not stressing the overall grid formation. Doesn't tend to be gentle in its results though, and it is those consequences which move the mind of the observers in this instance. It's what we call the -5 in some circles, because it allows you to put five steps of removal between you and target. For example, not someone you've met physically, or somehwere you've been physically, but someone or somewhere removed from you by five other physical forms or objects.

Combining the two approaches I think would serve to produce a very effective incentives package. And, in turn, a swift resolution of our external life circumstances. Now, I want a bank and a country. Bank first. Anything less and I propose a swift strike at the heart of *someone pick a bank*

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

Yes I hear you- you want it to happen in the NOW and also m1thr0s: ruling is like "baking smalll fish". yes Im also a king the one that is reluctant- the one hard to recognize. you are the fast one and the wise one. there must be a council. Oazaki must initiate it: he will write what comes to his mind. then we can decide. there must be another.

[m1thr0s]

ruling is like "baking small fish". that is one of the coolest statements I have heard in awhile...is that oriental by any chance? feels tao-te-chingish or something...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Ah, yes, The Four Emperors. I remember that from the Samurai Deeper comic series. So then: One King Wanted. Must have a sense of humour and the ability to seperate fact from reality and to interchange the two.

The Fifth doesn't exist in this realm, and is hidden. He is like unto a Dice.

Together we Five shall be known as The Alchemists' Guild.

We need a headquarters which I propose be the Heineken Brewery in Amsterdam:

http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/l/7/72590-heineken-brewery-amsterdam-netherlands.jpg

That is the easiest way to move thru to Red Star:

http://www.cambrinus.nl/bier/goodies/scrnsvrs/heineken/h0013.jpg

That alllows us to Red-Shift the system. Also, it allows for the red-green Switchover. Human eyes work in opposed coding pairs regarding how they see colours. Red-Green being one of these pairs Linkie (http://www.psych.ucalgary.ca/PACE/VA-LAB/Brian/neuralbases.htm)

We can thus apply that to produce a shift to a diametrically opposite perspective in Weltanschaung.

There is, of course more to it than that. So. Who else is a King and feels like this one interests or calls him? Or that he could contribute and is up for it?

Regards all,
Oazaki.


Goetic Tag line: The Dutch owe me a few things, which have accumulated interest, and Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands was in the SS during World War 2.

[Kuroyagi]

now Im surprised m1thr0s: (yes its from the daodejing) and I thought that you were well aware of it when you wrote "Maximum Inertia - Minimum Stress". the best ruler isnt required to do much ruling- it all falls into place- his subjects only know that he exists and nothing else of him. thats why its important to change the things when they are still small- when they are young and bendable. the old and inflexible ones are easier broken.

here some versions: http://home.pages.at/onkellotus/TTK/_IndexTTK.html
(I can recommend Henricks, Cleary, Yutang translations.)


60

Governing a large nation is like cooking a little fish.
When the world is ruled by the Way, the ghosts are powerless.
It is not that the ghosts are powerless; their spirits do not harm the people. Not only do the spirits not harm the people; sages do not harm the people either.
Because the two do not harm each other, their virtues ultimately combine.



btw...Oazaki...Im STILL not published yet, today- Im getting sick of it...maybe we should delegate/project our needs into the international monetary fund the nat. reserve and most important the inter-net-tional computer systems (to get cash like in the film with J. Connery and C. Zeta Jones) doing small retransferes and twitches.

[Kuroyagi]

I dont know that comic. But go ahead...(are the kings there characterized as I did them...whats the fourth king...whats the fifith? is it secret? is it safe?)

[Okazaki Castle]

Hmm, well, I've left my Samurai Deeper series down in Brighton at my father's house. But from the net:

The Shiseiten is a group of the four most powerful samurais: Akira, Bontenmaru, Hotaru, and Akari. These four samurais were united and led by Kyo in the year 1600. This is the year when the most remarkable civil war of Japan, called "The Battle of Sekigahara", took place. To the Shiseiten, the world was their playground; they wiped out every nation on the planet. This ended abruptly when Kyo suddenly decided to abandon the Shiseiten to become the strongest samurai. The Shiseiten split up with everyone following their own path. Four years later, in the story of Samurai Deeper Kyo, the Shiseiten have reunited in order to challenge the Mibu Clan.


Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Samurai_Deeper_Kyo#Shiseiten)

I remember Bontenmaru as m1thr0s and it fits his character quite clearly. As to the others, well, which name seems to resonate with you Kuroyagi? Or, of course, we could edit them somewhat as suits our tastes...

Seem to recall that this fits into both Chinese and Japanese mythology. Don't know the exact details on that, but sure they're prbbly relatively easily searchable :)

Yes, I think the publishers are damn slow, stupid and annoying also. I'm sure there are options available for dealing with them, and maybe when the inclination comes I will do so. Unless you especially feel a good idea should be pursued on joint effort very soon. Personally, at the moment though, I am more inclined to simply wait and allow thier karma ot accrue weight and ferocity. I want to utterly overhaul the publishing industry later. Taking them all to a position where they are easy to crush is the best way to allow for that overhaul as I see it. One of the principles I use quite a lot is the quote from Dune: He who can destroy a thing, controls it.

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

Maybe Akira (or is that already you?)...hope hes no loser character- since Ive got no time to check that out now, Akari sounds much cooler, but unfortunately its maybe not me, Hotaru can mean glowworm btw (couldnt say if I dont see the kanji though)...

[m1thr0s]

now Im surprised m1thr0s: (yes its from the daodejing) and I thought that you were well aware of it when you wrote "Maximum Inertia - Minimum Stress".it's a wonder I have a mind left at all these days...:(

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Or: it's a wonder you're getting Dao De Jing on automatic... after all, how was it first written if not by inspiration or as the codification in words of practical wisdom previously discerned and applied? :D

all the best,
Oazaki.

[m1thr0s]

well thanks Oazaki, but I have probably read just about every translation of the daodejing to have been published...hardly autopilot...more like an unscheduled lapse of memory...

but hey, at least I am still able to guess at what I do in fact already know...

m1thr0s

[Okazaki Castle]

Forget it all and enter No-Mind!
Then get it all back, plus whatever else you need, on automatic thru Mind Turning!

It's what we call Mind-of-Brahm. It's what I did with Kal (Brahma) after I killed him. It's actually very useful as it does all your thinking for you. Like the world's largest supercomputer. I figure you prbbly use it already...

You can put problems / puzzles on various planets to work themselves out. As the planet turns in cycle, you get an answer back - quite quickly usually - as soon as one has been worked out. Good for when one feels like being an airhead, or focusing on jing...

Damn, peddling all my wares and tools lately... Wonder what this portends... Maybe going into the marketplace?

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

ABRAHADABRA: get me some ganga, quality bud, fast. I would like to meet a person who knows a good dealer in Oxford (or wherever else I happen to be based, always ready to move fast) ASAP. If it doesn't slow the process down, find some way to provide for my ganga bud desires for free, on an ongoing, continual basis.

An especially easy one this I think, want to see how it works out. Testing things you could say, to get a track on the process...

Many thx,
Seb / Oaz.

[Anibis]

Well, this is what happens when you drag the God of War & Vengeance into things. It just so happens that he's fond of Abrahadabra...

I have come to the conclusion that Ma'at has an equal interest in Abrahadabra, and as it turns out an altogether deeper connection to the formula itself. She is after all 'the double wanded one'. Those two wands can be seen here: 11. The word of double power...
-Ibisis-

[Okazaki Castle]

I'd agree with that one Ibisis. Very much reflects my own experiences and research with the system...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

Maybe Akira (or is that already you?)...hope hes no loser character- since Ive got no time to check that out now, Akari sounds much cooler, but unfortunately its maybe not me, Hotaru can mean glowworm btw (couldnt say if I dont see the kanji though)...

I do like Akira and do move thru him on occasion personally. But more usually I occupy the Demon Eyes Kyo look, playing with sword whilst eyes are blood-red, as per heavily stoned. His alter-ego is Mibu Kyoshiro, the former member of The Mibu Klan, a secret society who rules Japan from the Shadows and is into alchemy, astrology and mystical martial arts (see why I like this series?:D:cool:). Mibu Kyoshiro is really gentle most of the time, but better with a sword than Kyo, and pretends to be a pacifist medicine peddler most of this current incarnation. His gentleness and concern for others fits him in nicely with the ladies, though they have a problem respecting him till life fetches demonstration of his deeper nature and achievements and then they freak out and go 'Oh my fucking god!' The Mibu Kyoshiro form is the very constrained Sebastian Heller form I often use, Reiki healing and stuff. Funnily enough, that form is in fact also Amaimon. Check that one out if it pleases you, for I think it's a form we share. It's why I said I control all demons and all demonic legions, and was chuckling about it at the time, not revealing the why. But I didn't know the name of that form, though I could see it clearly, till someone on OF kindly told me...

If you like Akari, well, is not character flexible and just a tool? Switch to that form/role if you prefer...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Zaii]

Agreed, I've also found that killing people slows things down.

No, you haven't.

[Okazaki Castle]

No, you haven't.

I like that position can you hold it for me? That is to say, maintain the belief in a strong enough way against mindgrid so that its principle/meaning asserts itself in practice in this reality. Co-created mass reality from mass mind sort of thing.

So far, it is true, you've got a quickening on one side of the equation (all the abilities and responsibilities of the target which are now yours to fulfill and carry) and a slowing-down on the other side of the equation which is how much that karma or position (or former role held by another if you like) slows you down by being more inefficient, longer-circle and simply involving increased karmic weight. But generally it is a slow-down process I'd say / estimate. Is this what you meant?

If you're talking targets attained, to mention a few of the publicly-announced and confirmed ones here:

Peter, the head of the American Branch of The Magi Society
Glen Morris, former Bujinkan master who was using the same Pa Kua art as me
Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid, former King of Dubai
A member of Jade's mental ward who was harrassing her

Few others known and recorded also. From the above list, you'll note that most of those ones were friends, or at least persons I'd be friendly in my disposition towards. All of the ones mentioned here didn't need to die, they choose that path of thier own accord due, usually, to inefficiency and inharmoniousness in motion on their own parts. In Glen Morris's case it was simply that he was using an art which stresses the body too much if I'm plugging into that archetype / energy field also (not regular pa kua, more round the chakras and a bit like magick). It is for this reason that in these, and similar deaths, I remain blameless; my own motion thru the system (choices, logic gates, mindgrid) was always aimed, formulated and expressed in Justice. If you wanna ride on that train, you gotta be able to handle the heat as well as the rewards...

Those who I would consider my enemies I did, on consideration, file them for later so that I can move them to a life position which allows me to torture them physically. Perhaps that is what you meant by death, as in physical hands-on? Well, none of us admits to that now, do we? A potential scenario involving Bush, Blair and Cheney in the future can be given as simple idle wishing or script-writing. But, in terms of Justice, they deserve as much and more... Hence, prbbly, another direction is made clear to the grids and this post becomes all relavent to this thread.

Covered a lot of the bases there Zaii. Could I ask now what you meant by your statement? It is questioning either my interpretation or my process, after all. So I'm just wondering what you meant... :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

If you like Akari, well, is not character flexible and just a tool? Switch to that form/role if you prefer...

Yes for myself I think so too but I didnt want to be a spoil-sport. as for the ruling and king-status: I dont approach it via the spirit and or consciousness paradigm at this point. when it comes to some core techniques like prophecy, immediacy and universalism (of magic) I rather tend to pseudo scientific aesthethics to desribe them...like "energy", waves, info non-locality or sub atmoic parallelism (beaming). this pertains to this moment only though (instead of saying that eg a ghost told me that itll rain tomorrow I say that I projected along the time streams or whatever). the reason for it is taste character prediletion and practicality: I simply feel better when I ascribe those phenomena to my own abilities instead of some demons, gods or ursurp others characters,...of course I also use conscious/seperate entities often- but more for direct emotional induction or discussion of very complicated probs and various other things like poetry and pathworking etc..its in the nature of consciousness that it is seperate and non-universal and has the advantage that -if its fragmented -those fragments will form whole dual cosmoi- new consciousnesses again- consciousness is crazy shit maaan. ;) edit2: I know what you meant of course: BE them- got carried away by some other stuff, maybe. btw I always have to laugh at the "It is my will" magicians: cause from a certain point they restrict themselves to what they can "see"---yet many dont ask themselves where that will or intuition comes from. (I can will something but how can I will what I want/will? Are we projecting or are we the projected so to speak etc...)

edit: I didnt know that Glenn Morris was dead- I just read one of his books last year. It often happens that Im reading some author for the first time and shortly afterwards he dies (the same happened e.g. with Viktor Frankl). I had a phase when I thought it cool to proclaim that one should only read dead authors.

[Kuroyagi]

yet many dont ask themselves where that will or intuition comes from. (I can will something but how can I will what I want/will? Are we projecting or are we the projected so to speak etc...)
One answer is "intstinct" but there is another...does anyone know it? (I dont and would be very thankful for a good answer to this question.)

abrahadabra!. indeed, can this sys. give me an answer or tell me if this is leading nowhere...

[Okazaki Castle]

My answer to that question of where personal will comes from was to spiral out to the time and place before this creation existed, before when my own individuated Spirit existed, and see what was there. I observed and experienced the process of Primal Khaos, became it for a while. Then I watched the Creation process, and observed how Spirits are combined and will is created. There are core groups involved who create outer circles and further spehres expanding down and out, then you need to balance the process (counterweights and things) and cause a way to project that down, etc the point is that will is created from a specific level of being, or consciousness. That initial imprint then descends into an increasingly complex system, but its form and proclivities and 'mission' so to speak is set from beforehand. Is its evolution from intial state of existence a matter of its own free volition, self-creating itself? Perhaps, but I would contend that is just a perspective and that the perspective of determism is equally valid. Free will in the specific material events demonstrated, determinism in the overall direction of things and the generalityies which formulate and express. Also, I don't believe anybody ever learns anything within this system: it is just arrival at different viewpoints, but the essential nature remains unchanged. It needs ot be faced, seen and understood. Then, once that has been done and this system transcended, one can choose to remake oneself in a different form and image. Perhaps that is what we aim for... and maybe, also, indeed, some of us have already succeeded in doing? I like to think so...

the reason for it is taste character prediletion and practicality: I simply feel better when I ascribe those phenomena to my own abilities instead of some demons, gods or ursurp others characters,...of course I also use conscious/seperate entities often- but more for direct emotional induction or discussion of very complicated probs and various other things like poetry

Ha, it is funny is it not that it is far more productive and entertaining also to discuss such matters with disembodied entities ('disincarnates') then with most persons on the face of this planet is it not? That is one of the main reasons why I lot of us spend much time in 'esoteric space' I think: we simply find beings who we relate to better and can understand more there...

Yes, I miss Glen Morris too, he was one of my favourite ninja masters - and in many ways prbbly the most skilled and powerful practitioner in the Bujinkan. He is one I've put on the front line / head of queue for re-embodiment / ressurection with Sivabhasa (aghori dude we talked of before), along with 5-6 others or so. His specific position in the grid scenario is something which I would like to talk with Hatsumi over, just out of academic interest. I certainly think though that considering his rank and position we have a hierarchy issue there which needs resolvement - and which Tanemura might have resolved more skilfully perhaps? At any rate, no criticism, for this path was hard for all, but also what was incorrectly distributed and set up, perhaps for concealment and manipulation purposes, does need to be arranged in a way that everyone knows where they stand...

As for sharing various forms or characters, why not, I see no reason to have issues of hierarchy or possession amongst friends in terms of personal interaction: if something appeals and you think it would work well for you, then go for it - you'll prbbly find it suits and was meant to be... And if it doesn't appeal of course, then don't... :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

There are core groups involved who create outer circles and further spehres expanding down and out, then you need to balance the process (counterweights and things) and cause a way to project that down, etc the point is that will is created from a specific level of being, or consciousness. That initial imprint then descends into an increasingly complex system, but its form and proclivities and 'mission' so to speak is set from beforehand. Is its evolution from intial state of existence a matter of its own free volition, self-creating itself?
Intelligent answer, yet unfortunately nothing new to me. But I'll also come back to it again. Thanks. :)

[Zaii]

I like that position can you hold it for me? That is to say, maintain the belief in a strong enough way against mindgrid so that its principle/meaning asserts itself in practice in this reality. Co-created mass reality from mass mind sort of thing.

So far, it is true, you've got a quickening on one side of the equation (all the abilities and responsibilities of the target which are now yours to fulfill and carry) and a slowing-down on the other side of the equation which is how much that karma or position (or former role held by another if you like) slows you down by being more inefficient, longer-circle and simply involving increased karmic weight. But generally it is a slow-down process I'd say / estimate. Is this what you meant?

If you're talking targets attained, to mention a few of the publicly-announced and confirmed ones here:

Peter, the head of the American Branch of The Magi Society
Glen Morris, former Bujinkan master who was using the same Pa Kua art as me
Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid, former King of Dubai
A member of Jade's mental ward who was harrassing her

Few others known and recorded also. From the above list, you'll note that most of those ones were friends, or at least persons I'd be friendly in my disposition towards. All of the ones mentioned here didn't need to die, they choose that path of thier own accord due, usually, to inefficiency and inharmoniousness in motion on their own parts. In Glen Morris's case it was simply that he was using an art which stresses the body too much if I'm plugging into that archetype / energy field also (not regular pa kua, more round the chakras and a bit like magick). It is for this reason that in these, and similar deaths, I remain blameless; my own motion thru the system (choices, logic gates, mindgrid) was always aimed, formulated and expressed in Justice. If you wanna ride on that train, you gotta be able to handle the heat as well as the rewards...

Those who I would consider my enemies I did, on consideration, file them for later so that I can move them to a life position which allows me to torture them physically. Perhaps that is what you meant by death, as in physical hands-on? Well, none of us admits to that now, do we? A potential scenario involving Bush, Blair and Cheney in the future can be given as simple idle wishing or script-writing. But, in terms of Justice, they deserve as much and more... Hence, prbbly, another direction is made clear to the grids and this post becomes all relavent to this thread.

Covered a lot of the bases there Zaii. Could I ask now what you meant by your statement? It is questioning either my interpretation or my process, after all. So I'm just wondering what you meant... :)

all the best,
Oazaki.

If only your statement -were- an offhanded joke about the Bush administration meeting an early end, I could just chuckle and count it as one amongst many, but as you've expounded at great length, that's not the case.

I'm of the stance that just because this is an occult message board and the occult is often considered "fringe", that doesn't give any of its members license to make wildly outlandish claims ad nauseum and encounter no kind of critical thought or bullshit filter what so ever. In my perception, that covers a large majority of your posts. This is not an attack or a threat, and as I obviously don't know you personally it wouldn't make sense to judge you as a person, this is strictly about the content of your posts.

You claim to have had some part in killing people. Your statement "I've also found that killing people slows things down." and the context implies such. Then in your response to my challenge of that statement, you both claim responsibility and name names, and then make a case for absolving yourself of blame. Like your other posts, there is no clear message to be found.

On the subject of killing people, you claim these deaths came about in the name of Justice with a capital J. Many throughout history have claimed the same thing. Lynch mobs, the crusaders, witch hunts, a myriad of armies and their leaders, and even the president Bush you mentioned. Claiming to do anything in the name of Justice, in my opinion, is just as valid as claiming to do it in the name of God (and the endless chain of other titles) - it's not valid at all. That's okay though, since I'm pretty positive you've never killed anyone.

The way you responded to my statement follows suit with what I'm about to present. You spoke in an extended fashion about a number of somewhat related topics, and then asked me what I meant by my disagreeing with you.

In a great number of posts you use whatever topic was at hand as a sounding board for anything and everything going through your head at the time, littered with a liberal dose of bragging and gloating about whatever vaguely supernatural/sexual/etc conquest suits your fancy at that particular moment, often as extreme as claiming immortality, omnipotence, omniscience, and the like. Somewhere towards the end of your quite thick rant, you will briefly mention the original topic.

While I will almost always be for freedom of expression, even if I disagree with what is being said, and given occult subject matter, things tend to be even looser as far as what can and cannot be proven goes, there are times when things just don't make sense.

For example, let's say for a minute I believe you are omnipotent, why would you spend as much time on this message board as you do? It's a fine place as message boards go, certainly, but wouldn't you have a literally infinite amount of other things to occupy your time? I suppose you could have traversed the cosmos, created multitudes of your own, and having all the stars in the sky and all the possibilities therein at your disposal become so bored that you come here often, but I highly doubt that that's the case.

If you are omniscient, why would you need to discuss things with us human beings on a message board, let alone ask me what I meant by disagreeing with you?

As far as being immortal goes, again, let's say I buy it - would you really have a need to discuss it on a message board? Plus if you were immortal, couldn't you get away with a hell of a lot, and have one riot of a time, again with much more substance than being chatty cathy here?

Another thing that's suspect to me is the myriad of martial arts you claim to have trained in, even something as vague as "old school chinese hardcore stuff when i was a kid" (which screams "I’ve watched too many kung-fu films") - and yet you claim to be a "purist".

Let's pretend I believe you've had extensive training in all the arts you mentioned, since we're doing a lot of pretending tonight. If that's the case, there is no way you could call yourself a purist, particularly because if you tried to use just the rigid stances and techniques of -one- of the arts you mentioned (totally ignoring that section about "old school chinese hardcore stuff", whatever the hell you were talking about), you would end up like those "black belts" whose tales occasionally surface featuring them getting trounced by some random guy with little or no training. In a real fight, fixed positions and "purity" are basically an invitation for a hospital bill. But you know that right? You're so well trained. Or maybe, you're one of those martial artists who has never actually fought, because that's just "not what it's all about".

Whatever the case, this is me wondering why no one has said anything to you until now about the absurd and outlandish claims you make. Again, just because this is a board primarily centered arround the occult, I don't see how that gives anyone a license to rant without restraint or accountability.

If by "omnipotent", "omniscient", "immortal", you didn't quite mean those terms, then you should have said something else.

Oh, and if you are omnipotent, if you could make it so that when I wake up tomorrow I have a clean bill of health and the potentially career ruining damage to my arm is magically fixed up, we can settle this whole thing, and you'll have proved me wrong.

[Oblio]

It seems to be akin to imagination>art>magick..

Regarding a similar situation in another thread (although I don't recall whether it was Okazaki or CosmicBrat - oh the similarities) m1thr0s mentioned that it was a form of poetry. I agree with that, and as such it has the power of transformation and manifestation within the writer (and of course readers).... BUT, it can pretty clearly get too much.

For me, it's because to some extent I want to believe some posts, but then I figure it's probably bs, and with that it can lead to questioning of other statements on the boards.

OC's thread 'role stealin games' might also touch on it.. with imagination/art/magick, it's all about invoking a principle, and running with it with as much skill as the source. (I actually thought that OC was cosmicbrat after that *lol*)

But again, strewn throughout the boards it can be a bit distracting.....

\modmode :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

it's a quandary to be sure. one I have to confront more than I would like. If I were to ban everybody with an "unusual" way of expressing themselves I'm not even sure if I would be allowed to post on my own damn forums...but the sheer magnitude of all this hyperbole is beginning to take its toll...

maybe we can at least try to meet up somewhere in the middle.

Otherwise, who knows...this will almost certainly come up again though...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Ok I have some delegations for you Abrahadabra.

First I want Wikipedia to be given to Ningishizdda to do with as it pleases.

Second I want the wolf lodge to be given 100% first priority on the continent of North America. Meaning everyone who has a membership card in the wolf lodge gets all of their plans put ahead of everyone else's plans. Those who oppose the wolf tribe will leave North America or be deported.

Also the ARC gets god mode on full in North America so long as they don't cross the wolf lodge.

And members of the wolf lodge to be getting full attention in rank order, with precedence given to the following members:

m1thr0s
black wolf woman
silent john
naomi chan
stephen hayes (provided he accepts this as payment for giri)
angelina jolie
kirk peruvian
gary kellerblock
(also jacob if he agrees and accepts or already has a membership card)
seijuro & zhedhi order members.

Also I want the motions I made in 2006 regarding mica to be put on the full speed so we get continent lockdown by 2008 minimum.

Thank you.

[Copuldaemon]

you know ozakazi? posted something in relation (if not directly) which led me to hear reading his post (the 1st) on this thread.
It's an interesting concept but unfortunately, I do not believe in karma but it was an interesting read.

I do have to also confess that in the grand e-cult scheme of things, psychologically speaking, I've been finding a few pieces to a great puzzle on here even if it's from my own head at least, I'm grateful that I can post it here.

oh btw not that i would do this but what if a person wanted to use the abrahadabra system without anybody knowing what they've wished. Yeah I know, I just made myself look suspect right there, ha but nah, if I were to do it, I would beg for a bengal tiger to escape and make it through the sewer system to run up the elevator and eat my neighbors or something like that (ugly muthafvkkers)

as for the role stealing thread,that's something that i'm going to have to check into but in defense of cosmic brat and he needs a whole defense team as far as that goes, i'd say that many people on such forums type alot of poppo, very much uncreditable stuff which is greatly unequaled to their nephilimic egos. If anything how I differ from the herd is that i'm a realist first, slut second, hah, no let me stop.
Seriously, if anything places like this have done for me was two things: 1. provide a list of references for me to research and grab materials concerning things that interested me and 2. provide a place where i could share my experiences which were scary, weird, or bland. Zut, I must say that other than that, forums have no merit.
No offense to anyone here but I don't believe in super group workings on a goliath level done at least 65% successful on an open internet board and if such were attempted, it'd be shut down which is probably what happened to the other place.
But it's still nice to come to such places picking up on things in which the same could be thought of in relation to me.
But when it comes to exagerations and granduer, I say live and let live, but it's when somebody with a complex who tries to belittle you with sly wording or blatant disrespect that's the issue.
And so mr. m1thros, if you were to go after people who'd be problems, the kind that I mentioned should be taken into consideration.

[m1thr0s]

And so mr. m1thros, if you were to go after people who'd be problems, the kind that I mentioned should be taken into consideration.gee thanks...I guess. I read that post three times and still have no idea what you are talking about...

but look...this is all getting way off track here. I have some very fine moderators to help me decide how to manage this site. Otherwise people can always PM me privately or post something in site suggestions. The way this is going it's soon going to become a hopeless menagerie of who hates who and why...completely unproductive all around folks.

m1thr0s

[Oblio]

I haven't done any "formal" Qabbalistic work for years... but since arriving here (through synchronous means) I've done some of the best workings of my life. In the progress of forming my own energetic vehicle. {one day I might even take it for a proper spin :laugh: but it's not ready yet..... I haven't done enough of the hard work on that project to delegate the rest of it yet, but there are a few links that I would very much appreciate being filtered my way!}


The major conscious thing that has kept me away from practising is that I'm working on my PhD.... and my deadline is starting to catch up to me. I've done all my research and experimentation, now I just have to finish writing it up. I've devoted so much of my energy to this project, and I feel that on some plane it is already finished..... but I want it finished here... sooon, so ABRAHADABRA, if you please :p

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[m1thr0s]

that's great Oblio...what's your PhD in???

m1thr0s

[Oblio]

Psychology - my main topic is Meditation :D (using it as a restorative/protective tool e.g., mental fatigue <- suitably mundane cog psy application :rolleyes:)

[m1thr0s]

yeah??? interesting. this particular meditation practise hyphenates accelleration and analytical coherence, unlike any number of mind-numbing gibber-jabber applications we could point to. It also appears to have special applications to things like EMDR so I am very curious about the long-term psychological applications...we should talk more about this stuff at some point.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

we should talk more about this stuff at some point.
Indubitably... :yes:
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BTW, EMDR...?

[Okazaki Castle]

Zaii:

Well, as regards the martial arts I'm sure we could resolve that one in person at such a time as we both feel like it. Having nothing to prove and not really being bothered myself I can't say I'll give it a high priority, but sure, in time, I promise you this. If you want. And most people I refuse to fight, stating simply that they have not earned the right. Why would I agree in your case? Well, it's the sort of personal favours I convey to what I call 'Inner Circles', and with your presence on this board you fall into that category. That's also why I spend so much time involved with them, and hanging out with them: it's a social thing and the persons on this rock who can understand a tenth of where I'm coming from are few and far between. A lot of them are on this forum, so it's pleasant for me. And for them too, I think...

As regards the omnipotence thing. Well, consider: in practical terms, omnipotence as it is defined and expressed in this system, is not expressed in terms of the Jesus Christ Miracle-working paradigm but in terms of the more discreet, hidden and ambiguous 'power of god': all around everybody, in plane sight, but ambiguous. Now, you can change that definition but to do so stresses mindgrid, so you have to proceed towards that goal step by step. If you destroy the system, it won't give you what you want and so your initial purpose for incarnating here will be voided. That's OK though because this is a Time system anyway: change on it occurs thru time. Once the system as a whole transcends that state of being then it transcends it. I work with the system as a whole, and that's why I occupy and use a physical form hereon: whereas, like some others, I have other, better forms in better density states that are far more fun. This form, this system, is for a purpose, namely to turn this system around, hence I use it for that purpose.

As regards what you view as the wilder, more exagerrated claims. Well, the thing is, I amy make them, but then, or beforehand, I do them. And other things more extreme that I don't mention till later - like a lot of the material which I've been covering lately which I did, physically, last year. I really did send ultimatums to the world's embassies in London, threatening them with death and saying this was war. I really did break into the Russian embassy in Greece. I really did notify the world's intelligence services where they stand. I really did apply my martial principles in situatiosn involving multiple armed opponents with guns. Why did they work? Well, do not all martial arts masters of old talk of Shen, or True Heart, as being the core of martial principle? OK then, are those just words or does one take them to heart and apply them.

Now then. Because it amuses me to do so, not because I feel inclined or compelled, and also because it serves my purposes: pick a target for death. Make sure it's aligned with Justice because I'll be grounding this one thru your form. And he will die thru the motion of this system itself. I'll just live my life in a particular way which produces that death. The processes are too complex and involved for any to understand if they do not live and experience. But targets attained, that is easily understood...

However, I give no timescale to the process. It fits in to the wider scheme of things as it is its place to fit in. But once I target-lock, that target goes down. That's been demonstrated enough times to satisfy me. With your own personal choice of target,when it is attained, it might satisfy you. Or perhaps not. But it is a reasonable offer for testing this proposition is it not?



Oh, and if you are omnipotent, if you could make it so that when I wake up tomorrow I have a clean bill of health and the potentially career ruining damage to my arm is magically fixed up, we can settle this whole thing, and you'll have proved me wrong.

This is a Time system and you, and I, are within it: change here is effected thru time. Until such a time as one is a beyond-time being, which I am not, and nor are you, and we will not be till what I call the 'spearhead' is in position in higher density band, which it cannot be till the 'spear shaft' is close enough in following it to allow for that upshift without a disconnection of the two. It is things like these which I call 'wider strategic considerations' but which you can view as excuses if you like.

However, also, I am not willing to heal you. Why should I? I do heal myself, and others who I care for and like, but you are not in that set. Hence, I'd rather devote such focus and abilities as I have in that field to others. You can however go on the 'automatic healing processes' which I'm running thru the pentagram power covered on the Hiten thread. Heal the world sort of thing. Now then. If you assert that a pentagramatic stargate has no power then please support your claim. Such would be a ludicrous claim from my perspective, and you also have The Magi Society's published research and evidence to contend with there, not to mention the principles of geometry. If you assert that electional astrology does not work, then please consider natal astrology on the same bases as the terms presented in the previous sentence.

If you can't disprove the validity and power of those two practices, then I'm afraid you are checkmated as far as the potency of my work and design are concerned. If you can disprove them, then congratulations, you've defeated League of Shadows and are cleverer than the Naga. Your third option is of course to ignore the astrological stuff (which is also bound in blood according to proper ritual technique, btw...) and instead simply keep asserting your beliefs in this matter, without due foundation or investigation. Such would be both unjustified and stupid in my opinion, and more a matter of your own personal prejudices and lack of emotional mastery or conceptual investigative prowess or intuitive ability to sense truth. But I'm sure you could view such a course differently, and attribute it to more logical and justified causes. So as you wish...

Regards,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

Nice motions Naomi :cool: :) That's kinda the the sort of thing I had in mind for this thread: big motions, wide view, large targets, being responsible and not just selfish. Good to see it being applied in that way! :) :cool:

After all, abrahadabra is a powerful tool of potent archaic provenance. It would be foolish to use it only for little goals, and kind of insulting, a bit like employing Genghis Kahn as a bell boy. My own larger goals are there on cross-reference, for I was being discreet... but you remember QI's connection don't you and a reworking of the publishing industry necessitates large societal changes. That sort of explains another meaning of 'putting your life on the line': all your hopes, dreams, works and everything about you you stake on the path you walk, and refuse to compromise, or back down, or do it the regular way. After all, how would you turn the system around your will if that will is Mr Bendy? Try it, it is not easy when success thru compromise is possible conveniently and with relatively little effort. And, in practice, most people have compromised in their lives, if only in terms of jobs and partners. To not compromise in that way, that is hardcore. Westerners would call it unreasonable and, perhaps, antisocial and arrogant. To repeat that already once-give quite from Geronimo which I rather like: "White man always was stupid and never did understand".

On the topic of Geronimo, his ancestors have made a claim for the Skull and Bones of the Yale society to be returned to them, for they are Geronimo's they claim. Apparently, if they weren't returned by some time last year, then the spirits will take the lives of that family (the Bushes, for they claim Prescott Bush robbed Geronimo's grave to get those bones in the first place and are willing to undergo DNA testing to substanitiate their claims), for that is how the great harmony works, this is their beliefs. It was released in mainstream news sources and everything. Of course, how could the native american tribes hold such a belief? Was Geronimo just being racist with his words or did he, perhaps, considering his unique historical position, have some sort of perspective on the white man and his course in time and through the system which the white man of the time, being less attuned to the seasons and reasons of the earth and the Great Spirit, was unable to see or even begin to comprehend?

Out of interest, Naomi, who is wolf clan? I ask because I was doing some work in that line over the period of second half of 2005. Which I haven't fully understood yet, I just did it, which is sort of why I'm asking...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

That sort of explains another meaning of 'putting your life on the line': all your hopes, dreams, works and everything about you you stake on the path you walk, and refuse to compromise, or back down, or do it the regular way. After all, how would you turn the system around your will if that will is Mr Bendy?Yeah and if you don't try and back it all the way you're going to get called out by your buddies once you return. Being a coward was never really popular with the universe. So a warriors are completely bad ass and unrelenting in the real world. I mean we still have people like this all around us, it's just they're not doing sorcery, they're out in the battlefield, on the streets and in the U.S. Marine corp.

I don't know why, but so many magicians are so liberal it's almost unbelievable to me coming from my perspective which you should know quite well, Sebastian.


Try it, it is not easy when success thru compromise is possible conveniently and with relatively little effort. And, in practice, most people have compromised in their lives, if only in terms of jobs and partners. To not compromise in that way, that is hardcore. Westerners would call it unreasonable and, perhaps, antisocial and arrogant. To repeat that already once-give quite from Geronimo which I rather like: "White man always was stupid and never did understand".To me Geronimo personified this do or die mentality. As far as being a racist...well he didn't speak english so alot of this stuff gets mistranslated. For example, wasicu is a Lakota word meaning take fat, but I've heard both skins and caucasians alike insinuate that it literally meant "white man". Take fat is a term used to refer to someone who takes all the fat first without regard to someone else...a greedy and inconsiderate person. So I think you would have to do some digging to find out what Geronimo meant. at the time white people were worse than the Nazis...in that they were being tortured, raped and killed and held on concentration camps like the one Geronimo was held on, but they had nowhere to go or flee. Whereas in Germany you could get a hint about where the country was heading and get out. The native americans were being systematically destroyed just for being where they had always been for millenia. All of the Apache people are real cool and brave like the Lakota so I respect them a lot. They also are good friends with the thunderbeings. (Look up the Gan dancers or crown dancers, if you are curious)



Out of interest, Naomi, who is wolf clan? I ask because I was doing some work in that line over the period of second half of 2005. Which I haven't fully understood yet, I just did it, which is sort of why I'm asking...Teachers mainly, and warriors. Apuat, Anpu, Coyote, Inari, and probably lots of very well hiden deities. In fiction: Wolverine, ummm...I forget who else. They are everywhere here though, as dogs. It's part of the illusionist's bag: make yourself cute cuddly and adaptable to the wishes of the person you wish to change (in this case, invading europe) and use your powers of deception to work your will on them. The tigers did the same thing, did they not?

[Kuroyagi]

Whatever the case, this is me wondering why no one has said anything to you until now about the absurd and outlandish claims you make. Again, just because this is a board primarily centered arround the occult, I don't see how that gives anyone a license to rant without restraint or accountability. That was a good post, Zaii and some accurate points of analysis pertaining to Oazakis (psychological) techniques. My own reason for "not saying" anything to everything is simple: basically because he doesnt say those things out of ignorance (he knows better or is a lost case, if one wanted to formulate it uncharmingly). Cause if I felt that this was the case I would "correct" him or point out some other stances. But I think he knows what the general-knowledge take on them is. Another minor point is that I dont see any reason at all to defend the "objective" opinion of the academia (university and science). They can kiss my butt- to put it euphemistically. I also dont have that much time. Rather I pick out whats interesting to me and things that further my interests and studies/art. Apart from that his posts inspire me and are fun and make some very good points too. Contrarily I despise holier than thou magical practitioners and teachers who have found what works for themselves and now become angry at anyone who is of dissenting opinion- normal mediocre teachers so to speak, also very common in various fields and institutions btw...

Once a Japanese friend told me something not untrue: a European (Westerner) cant make a statement without critizising anothers opinion at the same time (merely by stating it)- he is not able to make a statement without having some motives behind it: tendentially this is really sometimes the case.

I may disagree with a lot of whats written but I "tolerate" it. If I would run around and "correct" all opinions that are non-congruent to some of my own Id do nothing else! I know what I myself believe and am strong enough to discern others statements without feeling the need to critizise. (contrary to what I perceive as a lack of education development or knowledge). I would try to stay anyones hand who would attempt to kill anybody in front of me (if I could)- but even this I dont know for certain to be honest. But I cant allow myself the hubris of saying that "killing per se" is something bad- cause I simply am too restricted a being to make this statement.

Btw, to me there is no difference between art and magic.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Ok I have some delegations for you Abrahadabra.

First I want Wikipedia to be given to Ningishizdda to do with as it pleases.



He already owns it ;)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Oh, and if you are omnipotent, if you could make it so that when I wake up tomorrow I have a clean bill of health and the potentially career ruining damage to my arm is magically fixed up, we can settle this whole thing, and you'll have proved me wrong.

Making outrageous claims is an old and valid technique in magick, and I AM is an essential and integral part of LHP.

As for my own wishlist...Wild boar have already found their way back to the UK, so that just leaves Bears and Wolves. An increase in forest would also be appreciated.

PS Naomi, that's a wolf skull in my signature.

[Naomi]

Contrarily I despise holier than thou magical practitioners and teachers who have found what works for themselves and now become angry at anyone who is of dissenting opinion- normal mediocre teachers so to speak, also very common in various fields and institutions btw...I always enjoyed it immensely when m1thr0s would go and rant at the n00bs (only if they were being stupid and rude, though) on the forum-that-is-not-to-be-named.

But I'm more of a cynic than a platonic...in fact I'd go so far as to say I hate Socrates. When you read the stories about the two great philosophers arguing you can see Diogenes is beastly and Plato is really dignified and sort of endures Diogenes' absurd behavior. Though of the two, I much prefer the teachings of the dog.

I think the question is...can one back up such arrogance? If you can I think you are justified in being holier-than-thou at times. If you can't, in my experience, you're going to be bitchslapped by someone much bigger and stronger than you.

Ci Celli Ddu:

I didn't notice because I have all avatars and signatures disabled. If you want to influence North America be my guest...it's not my place to connect you to places you are not yet responsible for (burdening others) since you don't live here you don't carry it as a burden yet...



Anyways I wanted to add something (good to know about Wikipedia)

What was it...

Oh yes. I will also delegate to Abrahadabra the entire military body of the world. Without exception every single person involved in the military is to be given immunity from the effects of Neptune. Also any person giving orders to the world military must have had combat experience in the current lifetime and must also have a degree of bravery allowing them access to Martian spheres or all of their plans will rot and backfire on them to the extent of their transgressions against the will of the sun (ra).

Also I want Temple of Venus properly aligned with Martian affairs. This means we get prostitutes working in conjunction with the military, legally and safely. If you have moral problems with that then just work it out humanity, I shouldn't have to give you all of you solutions to problems which are completely absurd and I do not consider problems.

Hmm also an add-on:

Give Ci Celli Ddu full control of the wolf lodge on the continent of Europe. And beer!

Thank you.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Ci Celli Ddu:
If you want to influence North America be my guest...it's not my place to connect you to places you are not yet responsible for (burdening others) since you don't live here you don't carry it as a burden yet...

Hasn't even entered my head. The wolf in my signature is European. And in any case I never ask other magi to connect me to places, people or anything


Give Ci Celli Ddu full control of the wolf lodge on the continent of Europe. And beer!


Muchas gracias! :tsmile:

[Okazaki Castle]

Oh yes. I will also delegate to Abrahadabra the entire military body of the world. Without exception every single person involved in the military is to be given immunity from the effects of Neptune.

Babes, might want to check out Neptune again, I've rearranged that planetary intelligence and its effects and its already in place and working properly again (I'd say / I think). Modern Western Medicine has been extracted from there and placed under the joint rulership of Mars and Saturn (because it kills people and makes them depressed). Neptune is now covering things like energetic medicine (eg espec Reiki), longevity, comfortably relaxing circumstances, and so on. As such, I'm not sure immunity would be a good/beneficial thing there anymore...

Check it out though and see what you get, then decide how you want to take that one, I do leave it completely to you, as you know that by now I trust you and see that you always end up doing the right thing (even if I don't fully understand what it is you're doing at the time...! :laugh:)

Yes, I had a lot of my lifetimes on the North American continent as Apache, so I have/retain an especial fondness for them, and respect for their honour, courage, etc. I did like the Sioux lots too though, and the Cheyenne. You definitely know more about that whole scene and set-up this lifetime round though, as I tend to forget much between incarnations... till I'm reminded of it / need it again... It is one area I'd like to talk with you on, and learn more about how things stand there now and what the developments have been (since about the 18th century or so :laugh: ...)

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

But I'm more of a cynic than a platonic...in fact I'd go so far as to say I hate Socrates. When you read the stories about the two great philosophers arguing you can see Diogenes is beastly and Plato is really dignified and sort of endures Diogenes' absurd behavior. Though of the two, I much prefer the teachings of the dog.

I think the question is...can one back up such arrogance? If you can I think you are justified in being holier-than-thou at times. If you can't, in my experience, you're going to be bitchslapped by someone much bigger and stronger than you.

well that goes w/o saying that a teacher should at least be familiar with his own subject. yet I think that a master is again playing in a different category- like if you compare a social science prof to the head of a multi-billion $ company or sth...the masters seldomly teach, still the master is so strong also cause- like an amoeba ;)- he will still learn even from the pettiest noob...blah² etc...wasnt critizising those philosophers themselves, they were all pretty ok, but rather their present institutions.

what I wanted to say was that: of course the cynics also have their tradition- and maybe we both partly stand in it: in people like the Bohemians/artists of the starting 19th cen. or the Hippies one can still see their influence- or check out the naked crazy early x-tian anachoretes on Sinai etc. I of course also dig Aristippos and the Kyrenaics; in some sense he even beats Diogenes of Sinope (maybe youll hate him :D )- but hes damn funny: check him out on Ningi-pedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristippus

Theres one story where Diogenes and Aristippos (who was kind of a snob) both visited the same public bath: Aristippos left first and jokingly put on Diogenes ragged clothes. Since Diogenes would have rather died than to put on Aristippos' purple-dyed chalmys he went out naked. well "who has more freedom now?" etc...I have also taught at uni for a short time btw, but lets keep those stories for the long nights of the next Ice..

[Okazaki Castle]

Oh yes, and Zaii, I liked some of your points too and found them to be valid from within their own perspectives. I think with what we all do on these forums it is important to be aware that often it is just a question of individuals going to certain places in mindgrid where there is pressure and a certain 'informational packet' (or bunch of karma, or perspectives that need to be addressed regarding how mainstream mind is set) needs to come thru and our occupying, or expressing, that position. As such, I think it is important to not take things personally really. After all, what did we expect on an ABRAHADABRA forum? :rofl:

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Zaii]

Now then. Because it amuses me to do so, not because I feel inclined or compelled, and also because it serves my purposes: pick a target for death. Make sure it's aligned with Justice because I'll be grounding this one thru your form. And he will die thru the motion of this system itself. I'll just live my life in a particular way which produces that death. The processes are too complex and involved for any to understand if they do not live and experience. But targets attained, that is easily understood...

Okay, for shits and giggles, I pick you.


If you can't disprove the validity and power of those two practices, then I'm afraid you are checkmated as far as the potency of my work and design are concerned. This is like saying that because I can't disprove the local nut in the bookstore who claims to be a full on lycanthrope, that must mean he really is a 9 foot tall werewolf in his free time.

A given claim is not valid simply because you make it.

I also find it very interesting that you are willing to at a future date to show up somewhere to fight me, me being a perfect stranger, which is not at all what i was implying, but I am perfectly willing to roll with you given the circumstances and a signed waiver (in fact we can tape it and make the footage public, which in the crazy world I live in is called "evidence"), yet you won't perform a simple act with your "all powerful" nature and prove all my arguments wrong and make me look like a fool by fixin up my arm, which would be chump change to a deity such as yourself, right? The reality of the situation is that you won't because you can't, and are simply full of shit.

That bit about fending off multiple attackers armed with firearms whilst you were unarmed..........this is a strong couple with the foofy foo kung fu talk from earlier to contribute to whatever fantasy fixation it is you're working on. I guess at this point there is nothing i can do but realize you're a pathological liar and stop trying to accomplish anything by pointing that out.

A lot of people seem to be reacting poorly to the idea of confronting someone for making extended, overly outrageous commentary. I guess if the environment you want to foster is one of a giant mutual circle jerk in which everyone brags about their god-like conquests and achievements whilst patting each other on the back, with an "if you swallow my bullshit I will swallow yours" attitude, then go for it. If that's the idea, it's not my place to say otherwise and I apologize. I just thought that some amount of accountability was to be had, even in an environment where the topic is the occult. Maybe I've sorely misperceived the atmosphere. I generally really like the flow of discussion here, but some of it is just absurd. I guess I might be alone in that opinion.

[Naomi]

Babes, might want to check out Neptune again, I've rearranged that planetary intelligence and its effects and its already in place and working properly again (I'd say / I think). Modern Western Medicine has been extracted from there and placed under the joint rulership of Mars and Saturn (because it kills people and makes them depressed). Neptune is now covering things like energetic medicine (eg espec Reiki), longevity, comfortably relaxing circumstances, and so on. As such, I'm not sure immunity would be a good/beneficial thing there anymore...

Check it out though and see what you get, then decide how you want to take that one, I do leave it completely to you, as you know that by now I trust you and see that you always end up doing the right thing (even if I don't fully understand what it is you're doing at the time...! :laugh:)

Yes, I had a lot of my lifetimes on the North American continent as Apache, so I have/retain an especial fondness for them, and respect for their honour, courage, etc. I did like the Sioux lots too though, and the Cheyenne. You definitely know more about that whole scene and set-up this lifetime round though, as I tend to forget much between incarnations... till I'm reminded of it / need it again... It is one area I'd like to talk with you on, and learn more about how things stand there now and what the developments have been (since about the 18th century or so :laugh: ...)

all the best,
Oazaki.


Oh yeah good to hear, I was a bit too busy lately to check on the Neptune progress and how the transfer was coming so yay for that. So has it been replaced by Vrsa yet?


Abrahadabra I would like to allow Neptune access to the military again, apologies for the confusion there, thank you.

I have a bunch of other issues to work out with the solar system but that should be good enough for now.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

A lot of people seem to be reacting poorly to the idea of confronting someone for making extended, overly outrageous commentary.

Indeed, but why should they?

[MythMath]

As has been stated, anyone is encouraged to
confront or challenge any concept presented... :yes:

But verbally attacking the author isn't kosher... :no:

Ignoring the author is of course an option... ;)

[Lucian]

I also find it very interesting that you are willing to at a future date to show up somewhere to fight me, me being a perfect stranger, which is not at all what i was implying, but I am perfectly willing to roll with you given the circumstances and a signed waiver (in fact we can tape it and make the footage public, which in the crazy world I live in is called "evidence"),

I would pay to see that. Even better would be to make it live online so we could place bets...

I get what you're saying, Zaii, and I agree. I'm curious to see what other members - m1thr0s in particular - have to say about it.

What is the Abrahadabra forum's policy on bullshit and why is it okay and even endearing for some and unacceptable for others? I know that some wannabe bad ass magicians who have done much the same thing have been judged by all as pathetic losers and dismissed for all time. Is it kind of like some animal conservation orgs that find the cute and fuzzy animals are worthy of saving, or in this case tolerating and ignoring, and the ugly ones worthy of being eaten?

[Anibis]

What a nut to crack this is. One of the reasons certain people gain natural social privilidges (and here I mean not in reference to the formal structure of ABRAHADABRA forums, but just as participants in a social milleux) and others do not, is because they put energy into the group. If you put more in than you take out, you generally get a certain lee-way in regards to how much crap people will tolerate from you. Is that's what's going on here? I don't know. Oazaki, you are a bit of a mystery to me. All I know is I will say what I need to say when I need to say it... Some people come in here, add nothing to the boards and go off about bullshit, or just cut and paste large articles that they do not comprehends. As much as Oazaki's posts are often enormous loads of megomaniacal drivel, there are almost always rather beautifully crafted, deeply imaginative, amusing and insightful in some weird-ass way. I for one take it as sorto