Geocentric System!! - couldn't resist...

[Okazaki Castle]

I found this rather funny site (http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html) (also this Godlikeproductions thread (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=332761&mpage=1&showdate=1/21/07&forum=1)) detailing how this solar system is in fact Geocentric and not HelioCentric. Now, Aristotle said the same thing and he was much, much smarter than modern scientists in my opinion. However, I have, in projection, seen the Earth rolling thru the fabric of space-time as a ball would on a sheet of rubber: that's how and why the Earth rotates, because it is rolling thru space. Also, the Earth and Sun orbit each other, not just the Earth orbitting the Sun or the Sun orbitting the Earth. Traditional theory is that the Sun has far more mass, and so gravity, than the Earth and hence the gravitational midpoint between the two of them is far closer to the sun than to Earth. However, I see no reason why the Earth cannot be the centre of this solar system. Science does not even presently claim to understand how gravity works yet, they just measure its results and plot its noticeable effects.

What about the laws of Planetary motion? What about them, Ptolemy's Geocentric system was very accurate also, in mathematics, and worked for projections of planetary positions. A similar approach could be used to produce a very, very accurate formulation of planetary motion using modern computing methods and a Geocentric system...

I personally like this case as I find it quite funny and the sort of thing which it would amuse me to do, or prove. Because it is viewed as ironclad, unshakeable truth at the moment. But really you just have to 'tweak' things a bit and you can come up with another version which fits the facts better. Of course, by 'tweak' I don't mean fudge your data and modelling. Rather I mean engineer the solar system to produce the results you want. Well, we did predate the new planets in this solar system (saving Quaoar) back in 2003, anounced on the old OF at the time. I see no reason why a Geocentric solar system is beyond the realms of possibility. What about mass? Well, what about the ether talked of by Tesla? What about the effects of, perhaps, some unknown forces of an electrical or magnetic nature on planets' orbital mechanics? There are possibilities. I just think it'll be fun to play with them.

But, the fact that there are possibilities, what does this say about established scientific doctrine? Not that I'm saying the bible has anything to do with this, that's prbbly just 'cover material' on that first site anyways: useful MO I've found repeated in many non-aligned organisations where they pretend to be approaching things from an xtian angle to get in 'under the radar' really easily in western countries.

Personally, I already settled on a Geoentric Solar System a couple of years ago. The only matter for debate in my mind is whether things are already like that and in fact always have been, or whether that is something that needs to be brought about. *shrugs* it's why I enjoy this sort of stuff...

Comments / Ideas?

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

Found this concise post on the GLP thread which I'd like to reproduce here for comment, as it sums up a large part of my position on this quite well:

and you OP? Do you believe in this baloney?

no, not yet.

But I will tell you this....

the fact that he has raised it, and a small search indicates that there are many others questioning it, gives me GREAT PAUSE, to realize that I have only believed what I have believed about it, because the scientists have told me.

I am not a stargazer or a mathematician, so I cant observe anything and come to any conclusion myself.

So, I would say, bringing this question up, has helped me to realize that there is no reason for me to hold what scientists have taught about this and anything else as CONCRETE truth NEVER to be questioned, anymore. In that, I have been improved in my open-ness to learn more, and to learn the truth.

I will also add something else. I personally have never believed what scientists teach about, if you see a star, that you are seeing it in the past, because it takes so long for the light to travel the distance between you and the star. I have always known, intuitively, that, that is a LIE. Therefore, I have never believed in their so-called constancy of the speed of light.

I am amazed at how some people have turned science into their god...

Regards all,
Oazaki.

[Kuroyagi]

I think it depends on context. And for certain things a geocentric worldview is simply more practical. As I have said in the Ng thread: I believe that the Yi Jing was initially created based on the moon phases (and we know what it can do)...yeah the moon phases seen from the earth (not from the sun of course):p , and in relation to describing life and consciousness on this planet it is thereby applicable and valuable. And why do scientists still talk of sunrise and set I wonder- mere convention or could it be that they themselves also happen to live on this planet?

Personally I have a failble for Megas Alex's teacher myself. Too often hes reduced to his alleged either-or logic and one forgets that he simply based his discoveries relentlessly on his aisthesis: on what he saw and felt...actually this is very alchemical. (and is it his fault that he got diseccted by some scholastic twerps?)

So Id say: some things make more sense when you view them in relation to earth some to sun...and if you chain yourself to Saturn or whatever--then youll have melancholia...action-reaction. Purest Magic of great reality.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I will also add something else. I personally have never believed what scientists teach about, if you see a star, that you are seeing it in the past, because it takes so long for the light to travel the distance between you and the star. I have always known, intuitively, that, that is a LIE. Therefore, I have never believed in their so-called constancy of the speed of light.


Ah, relativity...yes we are seeing the past when we look at a distant object, but that past forms part of our present. We see the star therefore it exists in the present, nevertheless we are seeing the past...a paradox? Maybe. Yesterday has passed but it would be wrong to say that yesterday no longer exists, it exists in the past. The past is a place and a time, it is not an abstract concept.

[Okazaki Castle]

Or perhaps the past was a place, which can now longer be accessed in a physical form by any means save its recreation once again? As for the emanations of that past time and place, they emanate out into the universe, affecting the present as they contribute to its form and physical reality.

Interesting insights CCD, got me thinking on a cool curve...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

So Id say: some things make more sense when you view them in relation to earth some to sun...and if you chain yourself to Saturn or whatever--then youll have melancholia...action-reaction. Purest Magic of great reality.

But the action-reaction never goes away, it just happens in 'real-time' with Saturn. Actually this is very useful as it doesn't really allow one to make mistakes which come back to bite you in the ass much harder, as you're constantly reminded to stay on the 'right' path. Whereas with Jupiter it's easy to end up in a sort of jolly and summertime frolicky party hardy atmosphere and then you wake up one day and you're in a cell on Saturn because you messed up last century. That's the bane of so many kings and rulers...Solomon comes to mind!!

So yeah, I chain myself to the devil Kuroyagi, but there's advantages to it, and you actually are allowed to behave more outrageously and destructive than normal because you always know where you stand. It's harsh, but fun, because that's how I was raised. (a gazillion years ago.)

As far as the earth being the center of the universe: NO. I think that is just bullshit.

:D

[Kuroyagi]

But the action-reaction never goes away, it just happens in 'real-time' with Saturn. Actually this is very useful as it doesn't really allow one to make mistakes which come back to bite you in the ass much harder, as you're constantly reminded to stay on the 'right' path. Whereas with Jupiter it's easy to end up in a sort of jolly and summertime frolicky party hardy atmosphere and then you wake up one day and you're in a cell on Saturn because you messed up last century. That's the bane of so many kings and rulers...Solomon comes to mind!!

So yeah, I chain myself to the devil Kuroyagi, but there's advantages to it, and you actually are allowed to behave more outrageously and destructive than normal because you always know where you stand. It's harsh, but fun, because that's how I was raised. (a gazillion years ago.)

As far as the earth being the center of the universe: NO. I think that is just bullshit.

:D Thats a good point and a real plus then- I do understand that- but one that I (of course) hadnt considered. naturally there +/- to them all...maybe I couldnt do it though even if I tried and I have tried half heartedly already. a bit more understanding of the saturnian nature would come in handy though. thursday this week i could need some support there btw. you are writing from your position. to be "allowed" is not in my book, Im very bad at being a slave you know ;) and even if: would I want to be destructive and outrageous? And yes, I have a great sense of justice- dont sneer!- and thereby I dont mean "Saturnian" justice which means: survival of the strongest. (not as in nature: fittest). Anyway, good that we are not all the same. that would bore us too much then...

[Okazaki Castle]

As far as the earth being the center of the universe: NO. I think that is just bullshit.

:D

Ah, well, why not? After all, we are here are we not? Where are all species and worlds focused at this moment - and have been for millenia now? Here. Now why is that? *shrugs* I don't know, I just want to make Earth the centre of this solar system because everything always devolves to centre in some way or another, or procedes out from it, and Sun rules ego whereas Earth rules lots of more interesting and fun things... so with the switch humans would stop focusing on, and worshipping, their egos and begin to open their eyes to the world around them...

Of course, the Earth may not be the centre of anything. I don't know!! I just view it as part puzzle and part comedy, what works in the context of the system' own nature to get it where I want it to be... Fun to play with for showing-off purposes though... And did not Archimedes say: Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Well then, what sort of lever do we need and what shall we use as a fulcrum? After all, that principle is already in the mass mind here, and accepted within it. If they misunderstood its application, that is underestimation and useful to us. Plus, this is a good one to show off with, as previously mentioned :D :cool:

to be "allowed" is not in my book

Haha! Because you are suave, sophisticated and an artist people often forget, I think, or overlook the fact that you're also exceptionally hardcore Kuroyagi...

all the best all,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

Why what's going on thursday?

Well were your people not rather free spirited and wild and less disciplined? And it took a great deal of time for them to figure out how to be truly free by developing a set of ethics and ideals that skipped all of the boring crap they had no patience for. And this became the emerging new meme that would carry the universe on for ages after the old cycle ended.

Isn't Jupiter bigger than Saturn?

In my earliest society you had to act a bit like a slave...not because you were forced too, indeed a few just decided to leave that system to forge new ones. It's simply that it was considered a privilage to be a part of the society and to live up to the expectations of some very powerful and awe inspiring figures who ruled it. There was a great deal of competition, vying for position and backstabbing. So being a part of Saturn is somewhat of a bragging right, because it's so easy to get tossed aside or to not be good enough for the job. You always have to play by the rules but you also get easy access to all sorts of neat techs.

Yet the elves of light always portrayed Saturnian energy in a generally unflattering way because they are opposed to it as violently as any elf can, it just cramps their style and makes them irritable. :laugh:

But think...if you didn't have Saturn you wouldn't have the crappy guy Uranus cut up into pieces and then you wouldn't have Venus....and I think we can all agree that was a worthwhile product of violent endings...I mean let's face it...he just had to go.

[Kuroyagi]

why should I all be against Saturn? all I said is that one doesnt have to chain oneself to it. saturn teaches many good things that I incorporate too- like conservativism, contemplation or patience that I want to learn- its a bit short sighted to view these things in a purely negative connotation. I myself dont position myself against it. maybe youre wrong about us "light elves"?. or i dont fit that paradigm, maybe. tendentially your right, about me, but its not that restricted and easy- I mean, Im no one-dimensional being, or angel or whatever you may call it, either...

[Naomi]

well I wiill stick my reply in my gallery babes, since I'm going off topic.