Magick??

[AppleJack]

Magick real fake or other? What dose it have to do with Luciferianism?

[Arcadios]

I'm honestly no more of a believer in Lucifer or magick than I am a believer of any other religion, meanin' magick's never been proved to me. If you want to find out if magick exists, you need to figure it out for yourself.

[AppleJack]

I decided to make this a poll question. Arcadios very good answer I decided to make it part of the poll. I know you can only find it out for yourself but I wish to just get a idea where others are comming from.

[Ðanisty]

It's as real as it needs to be. I've used it before and it's worked for me. Even if not, I wouldn't dismiss it as impossible or even improbable.

[Xner]

Magic is as real as one makes it.
It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Luciferianism...the choice to use it or discard it is one of the individual.

[Sibylle]

Magick is real. It is the underlying system of cause and effect. You can call it Spirit, the spiritual, the supernatural, God, Lucifer, etc. What would the point be of being a Luciferian, if there were no manifesting power behind it? Magick encompasses the power of the mind, mind over matter.

[DocHolliday]

True to my path as a destroyer of dreams and childhood innocence, I must say that "magic" is a name born of supersition, and given to the manipulation of pre-existent natural laws. Is it real? Is it fake? Find out for yourself.

[frater luciferi]

i believe that magick is the system of understanding reality or the all. I've seen it, experienced it and gone mad becuase of it. Either way reality is'nt as
cut and dry as one would think, that's all i have to say.

[hayabusa]

I have to go with find out for yourself. It doesn't work for everyone.
I personally associate magick as a western name for chi/ki. Just the power of your mind bending things (spiritual/physical/otherwise) to your will.

[Ðanisty]

I believe that magick itself is real whether or not a person has learned to use it. I guess I'm answering the question differently than everyone else though. I didn't presume that the question was meant to be that personal.

[m1thr0s]

Somehow the more I have learned of magick, the less I know what it really is...so I am no longer certain how to answer this question. If magick is the art & science of causing change to occur in conformity with Will, then of course it works, since every conscious act is thus a magickal act. Why then do we bother with enigmatic and obtuse rituals? Or if we just so happen to like enigmatic and obtuse rituals, are they really the defining form of magick, or are they really just an adult entertainment...the way they so often seem...

So these days I find myself strangely stuck for a simple answer to what probably should have been a perfectly simple question...I have come to believe that the above definition is actually a cop-out, disguised as a profound truth...that magick is squarely about the miraculous itself...and about those ways and means we may encourage and influence the miraculous on all possible levels...and particularly on those levels we may happen to feel most need attending to...whether the world is in accordance with this or not...so there is no point pretending it is anything less than the farthest possible reach of human intuition and personal striving combined...magick is that which does what cannot be done because it must be done irregardless. In that case, sometimes it works...and sometimes it doesn't. Like so many things, we can never really know until we have done everything we can possibly do...and perhaps a little more than this even...

m1thr0s

[Alarum]

Personally I have concluded that our universe is more than science and physics can tell us. Strange things happen in the core of the mind, and the world we live in is totally beyond our pathetic attempts to 'sense', comprehend or explain.
To me magic is real.

[m1thr0s]

I just recently watched a science documentary on the magnetic fields generated by our earth's core...They are concerned that the core may be fluctuating in ways that could threaten all life on the planet etc. So maybe an hour into this pretty interesting investigation the commentator says, the core might die out in the next 100 years or the next 1 billion years, we just don't know...at which point I spilt popcorn all over myself with laughter...

Gee, thanks for sharing that Mr. Science...hehe...
So I have to agree...we don't know hardly spit about the world we live in let alone who we really are and what our potential really is...

m1thr0s

[Lux_Invictus]

Maybe we don't know "hardly spit" but we know much more than we did 500 years ago. Given time, there is no reason why science would not be able to explain all physical phenomena. I mean, face it: human beings have been explaining things with "magic" and "gods" for a long time, but these explanations are usually then supplanted by science.

Likewise, Alarum, are you saying that the human brain works by methods other than nerve signals?

[Alarum]

Lux Invictus, what Im saying is that we can never really 'Know' the outside world, everything is just sense data translated by our feeble brains. It isnt your eyes that see, its something in your brain that sees, eyes are just the medium. Science is just a lot of things we 'think' are true, they arnt necessarily real, its just how we percieve them to be with our particular mental/biological makeup.

>Likewise, Alarum, are you saying that the human brain works by methods >other than nerve signals?

The only answer I can give you is that I dont know. I tend to believe that we are just the result of neurons and synapses firing away, thats how I make the distiction between the mind and the soul.
By 'strange things' I mean that we have no idea how consciousness/sentience works, and that I believe the mind is the gateway to something else. I dont know what this is, but its how magic is given focus and sent out into the universe; be it mophogenic feilds, z-point energy fluctuations, quantum entanglement or the Gods, I have no idea.

[Amur]

In the book Physics of Consciousness he suggests that Quantum Tunneling is one reason for synapses firing every now and then... Started to show that the electrons might tunnel up far enough to actually get the synapse firing...

Unfortunately it was a while ago I read the book and I've seem to lost it somewhere ehh... Though it did show a definite connection between Quantum Physics and the brain...

[Malachi]

True magic is through the mind. Manipulation, misdirection, charisma.

[TLF]

Magick real fake or other? What dose it have to do with Luciferianism?

It has all to do with Luciferianism ... Luciferianism is a Path into the magical realms of life, and it's a Path of spiritual initiation. It's not purely intellectual (in which case Universities would be crowded by Luciferians), but intellectual education helps avoid the traps of superstition in the magical realms.

[darkdestiny]

Somehow the more I have learned of magick, the less I know what it really is...so I am no longer certain how to answer this question. If magick is the art & science of causing change to occur in conformity with Will, then of course it works, since every conscious act is thus a magickal act. Why then do we bother with enigmatic and obtuse rituals? Or if we just so happen to like enigmatic and obtuse rituals, are they really the defining form of magick, or are they really just an adult entertainment...the way they so often seem...

So these days I find myself strangely stuck for a simple answer to what probably should have been a perfectly simple question...I have come to believe that the above definition is actually a cop-out, disguised as a profound truth...that magick is squarely about the miraculous itself...and about those ways and means we may encourage and influence the miraculous on all possible levels...and particularly on those levels we may happen to feel most need attending to...whether the world is in accordance with this or not...so there is no point pretending it is anything less than the farthest possible reach of human intuition and personal striving combined...magick is that which does what cannot be done because it must be done irregardless. In that case, sometimes it works...and sometimes it doesn't. Like so many things, we can never really know until we have done everything we can possibly do...and perhaps a little more than this even...

m1thr0s

I am at loss for words. This could not have been described more perfectly than it is.

[Ðanisty]

I am at loss for words. This could not have been described more perfectly than it is.m1thr0s is really good at that...lol. :D