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    Ningishzidda: The First Satan?

    Ningishzidda

    Relief impression of the royal libation cup of King Gudea of Lagash (Sumer), ca 2000 BC.
    Depicting Ningishzida in his/her TwinSerpent form. article

    Every now and then I get pulled away from my main focus of Abrahadabra and Mutational Alchemy by a mystery so profound that I am compelled to try to get to the bottom of it. I initially ran into Ningishzidda researching the Caduceus and its roots of which the above icon is the oldest known version. I didn't think too much about it until a few years later when it came up again in a conversation regarding the historical roots of Satan. Getting the exact low-down on Ningishzidda (Ng for short) is not an altogether easy task as there are various forms it has assumed and there appear to be at least 2 distinct forms stemming from the Sumerian culture itself...one of which is clearly masculine and the other feminine. We also have to contend with competing interpretations from different scholars, some of which are starkly opposed to each other.

    I am not going to try to resolve Ningishzidda's diverse definitions in this one thread since it would simply take too long. As regarding the character of Satan, our prinicipal interest lies with the Serpent from Genesis and the stark parallels to be found in the earlier myths of the Sumerians. An excellent article discussing these parallels can be found here. The parallels don't end here however but get progressively stronger the harder we delve into it. It should be remembered when examining all of this that while the symbolism of the serpent in Genesis is true to its Hebrew origins, the name (or term) Satan never actually appears in the original text. This is a Christian association that was added on much later.

    It's a little hard to be sure what the architects of this connection actually had in mind, but there can be little doubt that it was their intention to equate the character of Satan with the symbolism of the Serpent, which then, presumably, made it much easier to villify. But serpentine symbolism is much older than Christianity itself and has almost universally been a symbolism depicting the healing arts & sciences in one fashion or another, so it was a risky business perpetrating this intense negativity under this particular iconography, virtually guaranteed to backfire somewhere down the line. Snakes, like Spiders and Rats, are of a class of lifeforms that people have historically forged powerful phobias around with very little impetus. Snakes in particular have a longstanding association to human sexuality, so it is not a great stretch to imagine that these things may have factored into the choice of a symbolism of ultimate evil.

    I have discussed all of this in a fair amount of depth on several other forums, so I am mainly interested in preserving its general outline here on these forums. This is a powerful topic and sets an excellent precedent for the whole notion of "protosatanism" in general. Whether we are operating within the framework of LaVeyan Satanism or Theistic Satanism or Traditional Satanism or any other branch of Satanism, a certain amount of confusion persists as to who or what Satan actually is. The protosatanic take on this is to attack the symbolism (including etymology) associated to the construct and attempt to cross-reference that symbolism everywhere it might happen to be found. From this we may hope to arrive at a definition of Satan that meets with a more universal criterion, rather than having to confine ourselves to either spoon-fed definitions (that make very little sense) or else *personal* definitions rooted in the enigmatic to begin with.

    What follows is a partial list of links to Ningishzidda that may be of some use to anyone wanting to start their own investigation. There are a number of alternate spellings and I am not going to try to list them all. I am partial to *Ningishzidda* for purely personal reasons since it classes as an 11-letter word (viewing *sh* as a shin) whose notaricon (vowels removed) adds to 418 = Abrahadabra. The proof of this is here: N=50 + N=50 + G=3 + Sh=300 + Z=7 + D=4 + D=4 = 418. Nevertheless, the more accepted spelling is Nin + Gish + Zida = Ningishzida, so you will tend to find more links under that spelling.

    Search Tip:
    Other spellings will include Ningishzida, Ningizzida, Ningiszida,Ninjiczida, Ninñišzidda, etc...
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    Overview:
    http://www.halexandria.org/dward376.htm


    DNA and Ningishzidda:
    http://disc.server.com/discussion.cg...e=Grid%20POINT


    Generations of the Annunaki:
    A Time Line Of Events...
    http://www.motherbedford.com/ANUTimeLine.htm








    Sumerian Resource:
    http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/

    Sumerian Lexicon:

    http://www.sumerian.org/sumerlex.htm

    Sumerian Font:

    http://gmalingue.free.fr/UrIII/UrIII/

    Ng Iconography:

    source: http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/genesisgenesis.htm
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/Serpentningishzida.html
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/Ningishzidabasrelief.html
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/cherubim.html
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/Cherubimsoutharabia.html
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/Sacredtreeassyrian.html

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    Serpent Symbolism:
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/5789/serpent

    Mesopotamia Overview:
    http://www.geocities.com/darkmage71/myth/middleeastern/mesopotamian

    Genetic Seeding etc:
    http://www.soulinvitation.com/enki/

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    Dictionary & Encyclopedia Ditties:

    http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9055882
    http://www.bibleorigins.net/ningishzida.html
    http://home.earthlink.net/~templezagduku/ningishzida.html

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    Ningishzida & Hermes:
    http://www.richeast.org/htwm/hermes/hermes.html
    http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/gods/lords/lordninazu.html

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    Ningishzida & Mutational Alchemy:
    http://survive2012.com/dragon_myths_5.php
    http://www.alchemylab.com/origins_of_alchemy.htm

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    Annunaki in General: (with at least some reference to Ng)
    http://www.geocities.com/digital3v14/texts/ancients.htm

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    Ningishzida & Related Serpent Symbolism:
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/5789/serpent.htm
    http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r073101d.shtml

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    edit: I'm making this topic a sticky. I spent almost 3 years moderating the Satanism forum on a very busy discussion board and I'm not about to let this one turn into that one. Ng sets a very potent standard of what Satanism can be so I'm positioning that standard shotgun on this forum. I believe in the very best that Satanism/Protosatanism has to offer and that's about all of Satanism/Protosatanism I actually do believe in. If that means nobody else posts here, so be it. I'll add stuff in occasionally just to keep the trail warm...

    This stuff really isn't for everybody anyway, though it does, in fact, include all people.

    m1thr0s

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    wow. patron god of alchemy and infernalism(?) all rolled into one. dangerous character.
    wouldn't want to cross this one I think. very interesting information.

    -omni

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    Great accumulation of resources, and especially useful for such a not commonly discussed subject. Thanks for posting this m1thr0s. Even though I've read most of these in the past, it'll probably take a while for it all to truly sink in...
    Quote Originally Posted by omniprosopus View Post
    wow. patron god of alchemy and infernalism(?) all rolled into one. dangerous character.
    wouldn't want to cross this one I think. very interesting information.
    Lol, I guess so omniprosopus...Ningishzidda is a very interesting subject with many vital ramiffications found not only in the field of Satanic/Protosatanic interest, but a lot more really. As you said, Alchemy is also directly related to it, as are other fields such as that of the genetic code itself. We alredy know that the very structure of DNA is very akin to that of the chinese system of the I Ching...also, the serpent symbolism brings heavy parralels to be found with Kundalini Yoga (which can also be considered a "medical" art of sorts), and other similar systems and structures. I guess it's notaricon adding to 418 is just another boon of sorts considering the parallels laid out so far, but a very powerful one indeed. So this is a very important subject I think, and one we can say to only having barely scratched it's surface until now...

    Kain

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    This might go a bit symbolical allegory but imo the whole thing started to crack up when the snakes got separated from each other creating a fine polarity division like the symbolism of jesus dying at the cross(+&-), 'for everyones sins', gee I wonder who added that to the story. Anyway, looking at how polarized things are it's quite scary to see that Ningishzidda is obviously not present in this world even though it is by definition his birth-right to be.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_mythology

    Cats bless Wikipedia
    "Any human reality is defined by it's experiences and hardware where those experiences are interpreted and created" -RaMu

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    That's one of the best little articles on Serpentine symbology I've ever seen.
    Thanks for the link Amur.

    m1thr0s

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    For myself and from my own exploration, the snake reptile-brain has an apetite which is pretty much unnourished, which means that it can be used to set a direction with and it will go a long way with it alone. The bird-'reptile'-brain comes next. It's often depicted that the bird will catch the snake for some reason yet unknown. Perhaps the snake ran aloof to begin with causing a lot of abnormalities, as looking at NG concept, it is very much intact and perfect in itself already.

    A question pops up, how will people get back to NG and to their trueselves.
    "Any human reality is defined by it's experiences and hardware where those experiences are interpreted and created" -RaMu

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    A question pops up, how will people get back to NG and to their trueselves.
    So...you call that question a popup, do you? lol...
    As we know, only cats know for sure and they absolutely refuse to talk about it...damn them...
    furry little freaks, the lot...rofl...

    m1thr0s

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    I'm going to be completely honest here. I've never really understood any of this Ng stuff.
    Before my time is up...
    I値l hang my name on every trial I知 due for.
    And even if I can稚 get justice,
    I値l take you down to hell before my time is up.
    I値l leave no stone unturned; I won稚 regret my actions.
    And even if my last words fail me,
    I値l be a better man before my time is up!

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    I'm going to be completely honest here. I've never really understood any of this Ng stuff.
    Well there's a fair amount of information on it so I don't know what you don't understand exactly. It's an archetype like Set or Lucifer or any other really. It's very old, corresponds to a whole class of serpentine archetypes and is especially linked to Alchemy since Ng was the genetic alchemist in the Annunaki pantheon...created the human race itself through advanced dna splicing of some kind...What do you mean when you say you don't understand it? Don't understand what it is or don't understand why it matters or what?

    In a lot of ways I think I recognized what was going on with Ng from the very first moment I saw it, probably owing to the fact that I have been steeped in serpentine symbolism for so many years already and nearly everything I have been drawn to the strongest has been wrapped in this symbolism somehow. One has to stand back from one's intuitions a bit in order to communicate those insights to others and in the case of Ningishzida this can be a little difficult since the whole storyline seems to change markedly from source to source. If you add it all together there might be dozens of variations on this theme in Sumerian (or Sumerian-based) literature alone! Yet, throughout it all, the symbolism itself rings loud and clear and can be found all over the place from Sumeria, through Babylon, into Egypt, Greece, Persia, Asia, Meso- America...virtually everywhere you look.

    So there's a lot to this "Ng stuff" to not understand. One probably needs to begin by getting more specific.

    m1thr0s

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    Well, I didn't really understand what it was and therefore I can't understand why it matters. First off, most of the Ng conversation on OF was begun by SatsUrn (RedStar) and I didn't understand 98% of what he posted (although it must have been pretty good because everyone else seemed to eat it up like candy). I followed a link RedStar gave me once that was supposed to sort of explain it, but it read like a Sci-Fi Channel original movie. It was like somebody hadn't thought through the script completely before publishing it. I don't know if the original story is that screwed up or if that was just the webmaster's interpretation.

    On top of that, while I do certainly believe that ancient people were very advanced and even knew stuff that we don't understand, I can't really just accept (without some kind of actual ancient text to read for myself) that Sumerians knew a thing about DNA splicing. Everything I've ever read on the subject seems to have already been interpreted by people and frankly, I don't trust those people to not be nutcases. I want to get to the original storyline without all the talk of modern science so I can decide for myself. I have yet though to find a site that isn't either completely over my head or wasn't written by people I would be inclined to think are crazy.

    Some of stuff on the Sumerian site I looked at about Cain and Abel was interesting but as soon as people start talking about space crafts and aliens, I lose interest because it sounds like somebody just has an overactive imagination. If I could read it the way the Sumerians told the story, maybe I could figure it out for myself. If I could read what exactly Ng was about without everyone else's opinions and interpretations, etc. I think I might be able to take it more seriously.
    Before my time is up...
    I値l hang my name on every trial I知 due for.
    And even if I can稚 get justice,
    I値l take you down to hell before my time is up.
    I値l leave no stone unturned; I won稚 regret my actions.
    And even if my last words fail me,
    I値l be a better man before my time is up!

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