Dark Qabbalah

[DocHolliday]

I don't mean the words themselves, I mean the actual concepts, such as chakras and what not.

[m1thr0s]

I don't follow you Doc...Hermeticism has misrepresented chakras? In any case I don't feel like it's accurate to say that Hermeticism has been an apologetic form of anything...that may depend on who we are talking about though and when. It is intrinsically syncretic, this is true but I really don't believe in the idea of a "pure" religion or philosophy anyway...they are all syncretic on some level. So is art, for that matter...science...most things really...

m1thr0s

[DocHolliday]

I am not saying that Hermeticism has misprepresented chakras. What I am saying is that it's so syncretistic that it loses much of what it borrows from. I'm not sure if that made sense...

[m1thr0s]

I think I do understand that but it seems to me what we are really talking about is intellectual mediocrity in general and not so much anything having to do with syncretic method, if we can call it that...and I think we sort of do have to look at how people typically go about "distilling" data outside their immediate frame of reference. There are certain dangers involved in this but no one ever really seems to address it...very few real scholars in this area who are trained well enough to communicate the proper techniques or potential hazards etc...

On a personal level I think you can only try to be aware of the risks and maybe develop some sort of checks and balances in your own chunking processes...it's almost always a matter of scrutinizing context in my experience at least, so being aware and respectful of diverse contexts is a good starting point...

m1thr0s

[HobGobliRob]

Originally Posted by m1thr0s

I really don't believe in the idea of a "pure" religion or philosophy anyway...they are all syncretic on some level. So is art, for that matter...science...most things really...

m1thr0s

My own work with the Kaballah ( I don't argue the spelling), is not the "purest or dogmatic" but my intentions are sincere. I ve studied from freemasonry, tarot , and all the other usual sources. But in the end, the fruit of my labor has produced for me a three dimisional, gemstone atom shaped, cube-octahededon like device with 144 arcana (instead of 22) ,12 spheres instead of 10. Its like a globe for my psyche. It filled for me a lot of things that seemed to be missing in the traditional wisdom. Its hard to put all the work in this small space. So im being brief. All the "greats " were experimentors.

[m1thr0s]

All the "greats " were experimentors.

indeed...with or without anyone else's stuffed-shirt endorsements...for some of us, necessity is the only opinion we give a flying fuck about...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Sounds groovy...

Got any diagrams...?

CG animations...?

[Anibis]

Originally Posted by HobGobliRob

My own work with the Kaballah ( I don't argue the spelling), is not the "purest or dogmatic" but my intentions are sincere. I ve studied from freemasonry, tarot , and all the other usual sources. But in the end, the fruit of my labor has produced for me a three dimisional, gemstone atom shaped, cube-octahededon like device with 144 arcana (instead of 22) ,12 spheres instead of 10. Its like a globe for my psyche. It filled for me a lot of things that seemed to be missing in the traditional wisdom. Its hard to put all the work in this small space. So im being brief. All the "greats " were experimentors.

Oh, very interesting, I hope to chat with you in the future as regards this. I have similarily come up with an octahedron shaped 'resonator' for the Tarot. I discuss it here. I use 23 Trumps, here. I have developed a tarot which is basically divided into two 'books'. One of 93 components, the other of 39. The total is 132, Which is of course QBL. All of this stuff is in accordance to a little numerological 'bow tie' that I call the abrahadabra key.
I'd love to hear how your model works. Any schematics?
-Ibisis

[DocHolliday]

Holy ressurection, Batman!

One thing I've concluded is that working exclusively within a Qabbalistic framework allows one to dispense of tools, ritual chambers, and just about every affectation within magical work. When peeling back the layers of halachah (Jewish law) which have been used to masquerade the rawest essence of Qabbalah, one encounters a system of direct manipulation. The realization that Sammael himself is En Soph Or, and that a life lived according to Qabbalistic principles allows one to liberate the form of Sammael from his prison, and reconstitude En Soph Or within the self in it's ideal: pure, unfettered balance without submission to any stricture. The seeds of Sammael and Adam are within all people, it is simply a matter of awakening the fire which will burn away the earth.

[Darkwater]

How does the "Dark Kaballah" sit with the Kabalistic "Grande Plan of Universal Causes"